WPS - Save It, Or Start Over
Women's Pro Soccer may not be failing, but it is in danger. Their sanction is in doubt as there are only five teams in the league for 2012. There is a lawsuit against WPS from a former team owner. While attendance was significantly up after the Women's World Cup there is an issue about revenue not being greater than costs.
So everyone has their own idea on what to do. Former MLS and WPS GM Peter Wilt wants to kill off the fully pro league and replace it with a semi-pro but national system. Others have started a petition to try and convince the USSF to sanction and support WPS in 2012. Beau Dure is covering the issues with WPS rather well over at his blog with some writing for www.ESPNw.com where you find more than this summation of events.
What we know is that the players want to play, but most aren't signing contracts until they know what is going on with the women's game in the USA. Now I'm certainly not an expert on the women's game, not even following teams tagentally outside of the USWNT, but I do know a little bit about women's sports.
During the 2000 and 2001 seasons I worked as a producer on the Seattle Storm WNBA broadcasts. I saw the joy in families, the pleasure in parents and hope in young women and children that they could become fully professional athletes some day. Soccer needs that as well. It needs it from a societal aspect, but there is a nagging issue with professionalism. A women's league can not be run as a charity. It must be able to cover costs, either on an annual basis or make more money on a sale than the ownership lost during their tenure.
The USA and Canada needs a women's league. It does not matter what it is called. Maybe semi-pro is the answer right now - it is the answer in Japan, and they're pretty good nationally. Pro women's sports have enough of an uphill battle without the drama at the very top. Let's hope the leadership of USSF and the various leagues (WPS, WPSL and W-League) can find a system that works for players, fans and for businesses.
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I still would rather see a co-ed MLS than a full women's league
But with the current talent on the women’s side, that might still be a few years away. Also, the rest of the world would regard us as insane.
I met a possum.
Co-ed MLS would be great
I want Wambach in a Sounders kit
It seems that for a womens league to really take off you need to tie it to MLS.
Eight teams would seem to be a logical starting point. More important is where you put those teams.
It’s pretty easy to see GFC, ECS, and TA organizing support for womens teams. Harder to see that happening in say, Dallas or Colombus.
If you tie the womens game to MLS you’ve already got stadiums, supporters, and sponsors. You also aren’t left having to wonder where exactly team Magic Jack plays their home games.
Cascadia clubs aside, the real issue to me is where you put the other five teams. Are Chicago and New York going to support a womens team? You’d think so but you’d also think that MLB would be huge in Miami.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Dec 4, 2011 3:18 PM PST reply actions
regional
women’s soccer leagues need to be regional. There is way to much in travel expenses for a national league. 5,000 seats stadiums are fine for the sport. I went to a magicJack vs Flash game in August and had a great time a the small soccer stadium at FAU. This is where women’s soccer belongs. The league needs to realize how small and intimate they need to be to be successful in the communities.
Pro women’s soccer can work, but it will not make the sort of money that can sustain a cross country league. Maybe the Pro league can be east coast and west coast, but it cannot be everywhere. The two sides could then meet in playoffs only.
I hope they can find a way to make it work. Of course, I really hope that Hope Solo returns to West Palm Beach.
To cover costs in that size stadium requires HUGE corporate support
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Seems to me that Starfire would work well for a womens team.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Dec 4, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
But not fully pro
Which is why Wilt is promoting a high semi-pro national vision
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Wilt's semi-pro vision seems completely reasonable to me
Do you suppose the quality of play would really suffer that much? As it is, the regionality of the league has to hurt the quality of play, too. They could probably catch more players coming out of top west coast college programs if they had some west coast teams.
I don’t think Wilt mentioned it, but I agree with Travis_Mc that a heavily regional schedule would be helpful in controlling costs.
Lets get this out of the way first before i comment. New to this site but have fallen in love with the Sounders since the first game I saw them play. Sadly I am stuck in Nashville and baring some miracle of us getting a team or me visiting Seattle I have to find other ways to keep up with my favorite team.
The women’s sports on the whole, including the college sports and the WNBA, have always played second fiddle to their men’s counterpart which somewhat baffles me. While I understand that men’s sports are generally faster and seem to be more physical I don’t understand why it is that most people shun a women’s league in any sport. Personally I don’t care if it is a men’s or women’s game because the skill level and dedication they have are equal. But somehow the comment comes up when you mention any women’s pro league and its something to the affect of “Your watching a women’s game? Why would you do that? etc.” Not to try and make this about gender but most guys that call themselves “sports fans” would not be caught dead watching a women’s game of anything. Why would you NOT want to watch women play a sport you love? Isn’t that a “sports fans” dream, to find a girl who loves his sport as much as he does? Not to mention the women that do play usually are extremely attractive too.
With the success that the USWNT has had recently (The number for viewers from the last world cup escapes but it was very well received) I am not sure that a redo of the league would not be the best decision. The biggest problem I see in getting people to go to the games and pay for it I think is that it is such a regional thing right now. Be it soccer on the whole in the country or just the popularity of women’s soccer in general. Along with national coverage on a major station (i.e. ESPN, FOX, NBC Sports) I just don’t see it taking off and having large crowds out to the games right now.
As someone had suggested before if they could tie in with the MLS and teams could have both a Men’s side and a women’s side then I could see it really getting big. Another problem facing them, and its something that still plagues the MLS as far as national viewership goes, is that in the US we have every sport you can think of on TV and we dont have just one major national sport like most the rest of the world does. Soccer is growing in this country and will continue to do so as more and more people get pulled into the beautiful game. But I feel that, short of the US winning a World Cup, it will always be viewed as a niche sport by the masses and that with all the other sports to watch and attend in any city that you will need a die hard fan base like the ECS to really come out and support it to help keep the viability of a women’s full pro league afloat.
It would be an interesting idea to see if the MLS would consider adopting a women’s league attached to each MLS side that would want one. Places like Seattle and Portland and Vancouver we all know would support it as they are crazy for soccer but what about the rest? New York, don’t know maybe they have the population but they also have the toughest sports market in the world to break into. LA again unsure but might have a good shot of getting a decent crowd out for a game on a regular basis. Florida, not so sure even though they do have the weather for it. Boston, is another viable spot as they already have both and seem to do well with the women’s draw. But after that where else would support it? Given time soccer will be mainstream but will the public finally accept women’s sports leagues and take them serious?
welcome to the site
What brought you to TN? About two years of my life had nearly every weekend evening on Church Street or near Vandy
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Thank you
and I moved down from CT to here cause the family wanted to get away from the rush rush lifestyle and the family is originally from this area. Yeah Church Street is fun so is 2nd and broadway. Though right now it is interesting because with the hockey team finally making its mark on people in town you begin to realize that this is becoming a hockey town more then a football town. While it will always be a football town hockey has really taken off and the amount of people that now follow it closely is just incredible and good to see. (Yes im a big hockey fan)
It doesn't matter whether you call it "semi-pro"...
… or “professional”; either way, the effect is the same. Either operating costs (three biggies are salary, stadium, and travel) have to be lower than revenues, or owners willing to lose money for an extended period of time (like MLS) have to be found.
Since there is no evidence that the value of a female sports team will increase significantly over the long run (as MLS has- look at the runup of franchise fees in just the past few years) it’s really hard to find owners willing to lose money.
Thus, for it to work, we’re back to the revenues/operating costs question. Stadiums are more or less a cost that is reasonably scaled- you can find places to play that fit the crowds and don’t cost much.
Travel costs can’t really be cut unless you go to a regional league and use buses/trains.
So we’re left with player salaries. Which, given how low they already are, means you’re essentially quibbling over whether they are called “professionals” or “semi-pro”.
Heck, I’d argue that just 3 or 4 years ago, MLS was a partially semi-pro league. Looking at http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/9_7_08_salary_info_club.pdf you can see teams had nearly a third of their rosters filled by guys making $20K or less in 2008.
The only real question is whether there is enough possible revenue out there to match operating costs.
If it were me, I’d do it as a semi-pro setup and regionally, with 8-team pods in the most densely populated areas of the nation- probably just the Eastern seaboard for now, maybe a California pod in the future, maybe extending to Cascadia.
I can’t see MLS getting involved, and that’s too bad- but it strays from their core mission too much. MLS has more ground to gain in the “cheap game” market with its own Reserve league, development leagues, and academy teams.
Those things all can help build interest in MLS’s core business, but don’t represent additional costs; it’s all money MLS is spending already. Might as well try and get something (revenues, or even just use for marketing and building brand loyalty) from those avenues if possible.
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