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"We continue to discuss the pros and cons to running a PDL team," Hanauer says, "and whether it makes most sense to run an amateur version or a professional version. The reason for not running one, has simply been that we haven’t calculated the benefits to be worthy of the expense. But we are always assessing our position."

GoalWA talks to Adrian Hanauer about Sounders FC supporting/having a PDL team

Yes, the Whitecaps and Timbers have PDL teams. The Fire do as well. The Union have some funky relationship with one.

But in none of these cases are the teams given exclusive rights to a player on their team. In Vancouver's case they do have exclusive MLS rights to some of their PDL players, but that's because they are actually still Academey guys too.

Should the Sounders have a team?

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My dream is that the Sounders...

…would one day have a Div 2, Div 3, and Div 4 team in addition to their Div 1 team. They wouldn’t all be based out of Seattle, and they wouldn’t have the rights to all of the players on the lower division teams, but they’d be giving more players an opportunity to be professional soccer players in the US (and more referees an opportunity to improve their skills) and we’d probably run across a few diamonds in the rough.

It’s really unfortunate, IMO, that there are only two teams in all of Div 2 and Div 3 that are west of the Mississippi, and even those two teams are in different divisions and about as far apart as they can get (LA and Edmonton.) I don’t have a good handle on what NASL’s future is going to be, but USL-Pro seems relatively stable. It’d be nice if MLS could help subsidize a couple more Cali teams and 3-4 NW teams to add to USL-Pro. It could greatly reduce the LA Blues’ travel expenses and if they went with something like a West division, NE division, and SE division.

by ubelmann on Dec 5, 2011 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

Don't we have one?

Aren’t they called the Kitsap Pumas?

LOL.

Just kidding, but I do think some kind of formal relationship and support pledge would be a good thing for the local area.

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by sablebadger on Dec 5, 2011 3:34 PM PST reply actions  

Unequivocally yes

for the growth of the game, yes. Sounders have shown themselves to be one of the better all-around organisations and I want that quality to trickle down. I want the quality and detail of the coaching staff’s approach to spread like pollen through lower levels. I want a place for academy kids who aren’t quite ready for a senior roster spot to get meaningful minutes in a Sounders-based system.

I think Pumas fits the bill for the most part and the association would do Pumas a world of good in terms of attendance and player draw. There’s no reason we can’t have an agreement with them similar to the way MLB teams handle minor league teams. They’ve shown to be a quality organisation as well and I’m sure they’d welcome the help an organisation of our size could provide.

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by Seattle Coug on Dec 5, 2011 4:12 PM PST reply actions  

A player can't be registered with two teams at once

so an MLB/MiLB arrangement is difficult

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by Dave Clark on Dec 5, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking more in terms of academy players playing for them

thanks for the clarification on that point though.

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by Seattle Coug on Dec 5, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Under current rules, obviously roster size and salary cap would be an issue...

…but couldn’t teams get pretty close to an MLB/MiLB arrangement through the use of one-year loans and the general understanding that the lower division team would usually be willing to take on the player the higher division team wanted to send them?

by ubelmann on Dec 6, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd go in slow

for the moment. My sense is that we’re likely to get more out of our academy players than our association with or ownership of a PDL team. Perhaps they could strengthen their ties with Kitsap with a bit of money, pr, etc., with a gentlemen’s agreement to slowly expand that support?

by swansuite on Dec 5, 2011 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

There are several PDL teams located near Seattle

One one hand, starting a U23 Sounders could help raise the profile of the local PDL clubs and give them another local opponent without additional travel expenses. On the other hand, the club already benefits from the presence of the local PDL clubs that already exist, so why spend on something you essentially already have?

I think it would be nice to have a place to put our drafted players that aren’t quite ready for a spot on the senior roster. Sure, we were able to get Meredith a spot on Kitsap’s roster, but Leone Cruz and Alex Caskey were not as lucky. It would be great to keep a close eye on their development, if only for a year after they are drafted.

by Randy Meeker on Dec 5, 2011 6:07 PM PST reply actions  

agreed

but only if they split the WPS into regional devisions. This would strengthen regional ties and minimize travel costs.

by Robb Lincoln on Dec 7, 2011 6:25 AM PST up reply actions  

usl sounders???

we can send our rookies there to get experience and bring up players if they are good bad part keeping both teams competitive cuz money owning two teams is good and bad bad because you pay more attention to one team I like the idea of having a lower division team

by alexyepz on Dec 5, 2011 7:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Alternatives to a SSFC PDL team?

If the goal of a PDL team is to increase the quality and quantity of homegrown players it might be more cost effective to spend those dollars strengthening the PDL teams within SSFC catchment area. Maybe pay for an additional coaching slot on each team. They get better training, Sounders get a insiders eye on their player development. Grants for equipment or facilities. Promote their games on the website and at C-Link. Sponsor a local PDL tournament. Add more reserve games with the local PDL teams. A preseason tournament. All those things have the added benefit of increasing the Sounders ties with the broader soccer community.

Similar strategies could be used to improve youth soccer. Find the talented kids whose families can not afford select soccer and provide scholarships.

The way the MLS cap is structured homegrown talent provides a competitive advantage. Decades of Dominance is more likely to continue if regional soccer at all levels can also dominate.

by look4wrd on Dec 5, 2011 9:25 PM PST reply actions  

I have wondered why they don't have a team

and I have a couple questions/clarifications needed first before I make a statement:

- From what I understand, most players are unpaid…true/false?

- Where do the lines merge between academy/HGP rights and just playing for the PDL arm of the MLS team? Is it basically, say, a player can play for the Timbers U23’s but still be wide open for anybody to sign, unless they’re also part of the academy or they live within the 50 miles of the city or whatever?

by chrisperry1983 on Dec 5, 2011 9:38 PM PST reply actions  

Academies are for U-18 players

They are in no way related to the PDL

There are PDLPro and PDLAmatuer sides that compete in the same leagues.

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by Dave Clark on Dec 5, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the idea explained in the last paragraph

Just take some reserve players, some academy players and play some friendlys against Washington-PDL-Teams like Kitsap Pumas or Tacoma Tide. And players, who were drafted and not signed could start in such friendlies, not?

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by Paddi on Dec 6, 2011 3:21 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I don't see the benefit

I guess I don’t understand what the benefit would be under the current MLS rules. If you don’t have exclusive rights to the players on your team, aren’t you just developing players for other teams? Am I missing something? I may very well be, so please let me know. Developing academy players looks like the way to go to me. I know these don’t have to be mutually exclusive, but I am just unclear how a PDL team advances the club. But again, I am probably missing something.

by brenthart on Dec 6, 2011 9:37 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

No

I just don’t see the need and Adrian, a very smart man, says it is not worth it. If it helped the Sounders then I am for it, I just don’t see it happening. The current course is working fine.

I do realize there are guys here that would follow the teams, so I apologize for those of us that just don’t care.

by Charles J on Dec 6, 2011 11:40 AM PST reply actions  

It's a must

@NO
When have you seen an Academy player make it to the first team roster they have not cause their not ready. Other teams have put Academy player on their roster. So far the Academy tree has not bare any fruit and it does not look like the Sounder are interested in water the tree. You can only buy foreign player for so long eventually they will ask for too much money and will it will a strain on the salary cap. We need a more aggressive system to produce home grown player so we can grow are own good player and not break the bank. Far as fans /people not going to see the team or not being interested you have a point. I think the die are Sounder fans and die hare soccer fans would but they might be few and far between and that’s ok that is part of being a big club not everyone is a diehard fan but if you build it they will come.

by RED CARD on Dec 6, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you about an aggressive academy team

but that has nothing to do with the PDL as currently formed.

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by Dave Clark on Dec 7, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

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