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Sounders Centerbacks through the Lens of Tools

Seattle Sounders Centerbacks of 2009

These are the stalwarts of defense. Ball winners at their best, thugs at their worst. Outside of keepers, these are the players least associated with being "good soccer players." It is a myth, and unfortunate, because the centerback is vital to the success of the team. Generally tall, strong and willing to get in there. These men stop the flow of play against their own team. But some of the greatest differences in these players are what they do when they win the ball.

Here's the initial post on tools for outfield players, and below the break are the definitions of each tool and discussion about the players.

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Technical Ability - This encompasses what is done ON-ball. Things like dribbling, passing, man-on-man defense and shooting skills.

Tactical Judgement - This is about awareness of shape of both sides, off-ball runs, zonal defense, passing into runs.

Offensive Skills - How the player's tools translate when the team HAS the ball.

Defensive Skills - How the player's tools translate when the team LACKS the ball.

Physique - Size, Strength, Speed, Stamina are all in this one tool. How a player uses their strengths and minimize their weaknesses here is also important.

The ratings were derived from the frontpage authors at the time (Dave, Jeremiah, sidereal, malcontentjake) and Graham at WAGNH. They are based on performance in 2010, and are a review, not projection. They are an average of the five voters.

Sometimes when we don't see a player for 6 months we forget how good they are. Of course, the other chance is also true in that they may be overrated. Jhon Kennedy Hurtado though is likely judged fairly. Let's remember he was an All-Star in 2009. Adrian Hanauer said that he is the most effective passer on the team via the Sounders closed statistical measurements of 2010. He was quick, fast and strong. He won aerial balls, as well as being an amazing one-on-one defender. If healthy he is a true difference maker in defense for any team in the league.

Two players paired with Hurtado. Now a former Sounder, Tyrone Marshall's greatest strengths were in toughness and clearing the ball a long distance, not necessarily with accuracy. He was also foul prone. Tyrone has the skills to be serviceable, but we saw a significant change when Patrick Ianni played as part of the center pairing.

Ianni's biggest difference is his ability to add something to the offense. He did this in set-plays, while not converting as often as one would like, but also with dribbling skills and some passing, though not at Jhon's level.  His skills in the air are as good as any.

Jeff Parke joined a team that was already built. His opportunity came about due to injury, and he rapidly became a leader of the defense. Sure, he's a vocal leader, but what is more relevant to this conversation is that he's capable of dribbling through porous opposition forwards. He may not be quite as skillful in his off ball defense as the other two he currently battles for being a starter, but he's solid on the ball.

With the MLS Sounders we haven't seen as much of Taylor Graham as those of us who followed him in the USL would like, but when we do see him he has been particularly strong in the air, uses his body well and has some potential as a set-play offensive piece. But he has been injured, a situation that seems to be becoming a trend.

Since the roster battle is a major discussion point right now, I will include Wahl's numbers

Technical: 5.8
Tactical: 6.0
Offense: 4.5
Defense: 6.0
Physique: 5.8

From what the author's here have seen he is not centerback material, at least not in a starting role for League, nor non-League competition. But he can contribute, and some of his tactical and positional issues may be related to learning a newish role.

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Not sorry to see Marshall gone,

but I’d add “tackle timing” to his list of strengths. However, if he was faster he might not have needed to time those tackles so well.

His numbers might have looked rosier at the end of 2009 than they did here, but even then he was showing signs of decline.

Some day Ianni will head one in. It’s ridiculous how often he gets on the end of a corner. Parke has his fair share, as well. I think a goal or two from CBs is not a bad expectation.

It is pretty nice having three strong players to choose from. Who pairs with the third for USOC and CCL? Seems like Wahl, maybe. He did win us an Open Cup.

by Cornchops on Feb 10, 2011 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

But he’ll certainly be injured for at least part of the season.

Hope I didn’t jinx him.

by Cornchops on Feb 10, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

thing about Marshall

in ’09 he formed one of the best centerback pairings in the League with Hurtado, and lets not forget he had a knack for getting his head in there and scoring the occasional goal.

I think age just caught up with him. That happens. He gave us a great ‘09 season and I’m not going to forget that about him…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Feb 10, 2011 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

No he didn't

Marshall was always a weakness.

by Graham MacAree on Feb 11, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

so you deny that Marshall-Hurtado was a good pairing

I think the goals-against numbers directly dispute that. I think that the willingness of fans and commentators to bemoan “poor defense” whenever an attacker makes a great play has biased a lot of people’s perceptions about centerback play. Everyone remembers the mistakes, yet no one remembers the countless minutes spent doing nothing wrong…

I wanted to see Marshall out of the starting lineup last year as much as anyone, but the idea that seemed to circulate about him being a complete liability is a little much for me. Was he perhaps a bit physical, yes; but need I remind you this is the MLS. Did you feel like he started every match and it was only a matter of time before he went in the book? Yes, but I could say the same about Alonso.

The Sounders success in ‘09 was more hinged on a solid back 5 than anything that happened up front. Marshall was a key cog in that machine; I just don’t know how you can rationally dispute that. He may not have been a “great” player but I thought he gave this team a “great” year…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Feb 11, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

Marshall gave the Sounders his all in 2009 and was a key part of the success of the team. I wish him luck at Colorado and his attempts to get into coaching for the Reggae Boyz.

by Dizzo on Feb 11, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

So you're agreeing

that Marshall-Hurtado was a good pairing, but that Marshall had nothing to do with it?

It’s true, Hurtado can take up a lot of slack for whoever his partner might be.

With Parke or Ianni this year, the starting pair should be among the strongest in the league.

by Cornchops on Feb 11, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I Agree that they were a good pairing our first year.

And Marshall is my least favorite player on the team. I don’t think he’s very good but overall the team performed well with him in there.

by DarthGreedo on Feb 11, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

"tackle-timing"

I’d actually argue the exact opposite. When your speed and/or quickness goes, often does your timing in tackle go as well. This may have contributed to his propensity to give up fouls last season.

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by Gene Um on Feb 10, 2011 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like everyone agrees that he lost a step in 2010...

He was certainly better in 2009, but how much? I don’t think he was terrible in 2009, but I don’t think he was good either. He clearly had a great understanding with Hurtado… that and Hurtado’s ability I believed masked some of the weaknesses of Marshall. Losing a step in 2010 and not having Hurtado completely exposed him… brutal scenario for Marshall.

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by Gene Um on Feb 11, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rate him in the top half of defenders in 2009

I think that Marshall was definitely in the one of the better starting center-backs in MLS during 2009. It really became clear last season how much he gained from his partnership with JKH. But I think he also brought something to the partnership.

Specifically, he did a good job in 2009 in physically disrupting play in our third and defending set-pieces. Areas that I think JKH was still improving on in 2009. JKH brought quickness and good technical skills to the partnership that Marshall lacks. Hence why the partnership worked so well for both of them.

Fast forward to 2010. Marshall obviously lost a step even before JKH was injured. After that he gets paired with Parke or Ianni and neither have the same level of quickness and skill as JKH. Both are also very good at physically disrupting play so they don’t get as much from Marshall in the partnership. However, I think that we miss Marshall’s ability to defend and provide offense on set-pieces.

by Dizzo on Feb 11, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Set-pieces

Very good point on set-pieces, that’s value that I probably overlooked… especially considering how we struggled at times this past season. I’ll attribute some of that though to both Marshall and Jaqua not seeing as much time in league play.

I already figured that my opinion of Marshall from 2009 is probably in the minority. I guess we can agree to disagree.

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by Gene Um on Feb 11, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

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