Seattle Sounders Coach Sigi Schmid Narrows Roster Battle Down
Most of today's quote sheet focuses on the roster battle, as it probably should. The roster has narrowed to 33, and at least 28 will make the roster for First Kick against the Los Angeles Galaxy, 30 could, and with the injured list even one or two more. Heading into today prevalent thought was that the battle was simple.
- Which senior player goes to the injured list, or gets cut?
- Which of the young keepers stays?
- Which of Prieto and Neagle makes the team?
Except that from the quote sheet it might not be that simple. Here's Coach Schmid;
"It can be anywhere from 28-30 in terms of the guys we have on our roster. How many guys are locks or whatever? I wouldn’t know. I would tell you maybe 15 guys are locks, 14 or 15. The rest is all open as far as I’m concerned because people push people up into different earnings categories and you’ve got to try and put your best team together. Some of it depends upon positional needs. So if you have a good young player but he plays a certain position it might knock off a veteran player who plays in that same position because you save a little bit of money so that helps you out on the cap side of things. How is going to fit under the cap? All of those are questions. I would say probably 13, 14 guys are pretty secure and you’d say those guys are automatic but the rest of the guys are in a little bit of competition."
That float between 28 and 30 can capture some extra allocation cash. Which has value, kind of like gold, except that Seattle needs to get younger while also competing in 3 competitions at once. Young talent probably trumps Allocation Dollars until the Secondary Transfer Window opens. Right now, Sigi should want to see talent that he can train and develop more than a few thousand dollars to grab another player at some point later. Points from March to July are worth as much as those from July to October.
In Florida the team will have a few games in a short period of time. For those on the bubble, whether it be the obvious ones listed above or the more delicate battles between vets and youngsters these are the games to make the roster. The Cascadia Summit and Charity Shield are matches to finalize the depth chart. That's why Sigi is taking the last 2 trialists down to the Sunshine State.
"We’ve got some guys that we wanted to continue to give a look to. There are some tough battles going on in terms of positions. Young players one day a guy steps up, a guy steps back, the next day a guy steps up. We went through the exercise if we had to pick our team now we would be able to pick it and then we just decided, ‘Hey, it’s good to give these guys just one more look.’ You don’t know if a guy picks up an injury down there. So number-wise and the way our games were scheduled there because we have got to play our first two games on a Monday, Tuesday. So with it being a Monday, Tuesday and with it being so tight we really felt we wanted enough players to make sure we didn’t get ourselves in trouble in terms of trying to put a key player into a situation where he might get injured. A long answer to a short question basically we still want to look at these guys."
Lamar Neagle, Jonathan Prieto, Josh Ford, Bryan Meredith may all be in their final weeks with the Sounders. Or Seattle could go younger and these may be the final days for Pat Noonan, Taylor Graham and Zach Scott.
After the break another 3XI as well as the rest of the quotes from the coach today
Remember first that the depth chart is an estimate. Players are listed at the position which they will see the most time. The injured players are those least likely to play in a game at this time.
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Tetteh |
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| Injured List: | None | 33 | ||||
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| Jaqua | Forwards | Wide Mids | Center Mids | Full Backs | Center Backs | |
| Seamon | Montero | Zakuani | Alonso | Gonzalez | Parke | |
| Nkufo | Fernandez | Evans | Riley | Hurtado | ||
| Jaqua | Tetteh | Friberg | Wahl | Ianni | ||
| White | Montano | Seamon | Scott | Wahl | ||
| Fucito | Neagle | Carrasco | Tetteh | Graham | ||
| Neagle | Estrada | Prieto | Ianni | Cruz | ||
| Estrada | Levesque | Ianni | Neagle | Scott | ||
| Levesque | Evans | Neagle | Levesque | |||
| Noonan | Fucito | Levesque | Evans | |||
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Here's the rest of Sigi's quotes as provided by the team.
Sigi Schmid – Head Coach
(On roster cuts...) "Like I said, the cuts we made from Arizona to here are going to depend on what they did. It could be one guy, it could be four guys. We basically reduced by one but this is the final group that we are looking at to pick the final 28-30."
(On O’Brian White…) "He’s done well and you try to bring attention to people that have done well. His attitude has been good. He has worked hard. We still feel he is getting fit. As he moves forward in that process I think that play will come along. Everybody goes through a process where they are playing well, they drop off a little bit then hopefully they play well again at the end."
(On Pat Noonan…) "He is fighting for a roster spot just like all the other guys just because he is coming off an injury and he’s been injured; Taylor Graham same thing. It was good for Taylor and Pat now to be full in training. Obviously that gives us the opportunity to play them in games and then they’ll decide how it turns out. I always say, ‘Coaches don’t make decisions. Players make decisions for you.’ They are the ones through their performance that either put themselves on the team or play their way off the team."
(On Nate Jaqua…) "It’s good to see him back. We welcomed him back and said, ‘We have a new player here, big guy. We hear he is alright in front of goal and he’s got good size and he can head the ball.’ So that was Nate. It was good. He was running. He’ll continue to do some more running and more work and we will gradually increase it. We will take him with us to Florida because now he is able to participate in the team warm-ups and the passing exercises and hopefully as the week goes by in Florida he will be able to participate as a neutral player. Our prognosis as to when we see him in a game is probably going to be right around the start of the season. His process in terms of getting on the field for an MLS game is probably two or three weeks into the season."(On the team’s fitness level…) "I thought we were ahead coming into the season. We put more work in in Arizona than we did in Arizona last year. When we look at the numbers and the outputs and so forth of the players we feel alright. There were a lot of guys pretty much, at the end of the Arizona camp, were pretty beat. Now they have had a time to rejuvenate. The first day back when you are off for three, four days is never the best day because guys are a little sluggish and guys are trying to get back in the rhythm. But it was actually pretty uplifting. Guys looked sharp and quick and so forth, although a little rusty. Tomorrow should be a good day."
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I can't see Scott leaving
Still don’t have enough depth at RB. I could see Graham going, which sucks because I love that guy and he’s still good and it’s cool to have original Sounders stick around… But we have a lot of guys there. I can’t imagine why we’d keep Noonan. Sigi unloaded similar guys (Vagenas, Marshall) I think he should follow suit with him.
I don't see Scott leaving either
He is only a 3rd year MLS pro, so he is relatively inexpensive. Graham has been injured most of the last two years and he is 4th at best on the depth chart. With Wahl being able to play more than one position including CB and with the drafting of Juan Cruz, I think Graham might have a hard time staying on the roster.
Not sure if Graham will make teh roster
But he was not hurt most of last year, I can assure you of that. He played well whenever given teh chance.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 16, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Scott may only be a third year MLS player
but he’s the fourth oldest guy on the team. He didn’t impress me in CCL and USOC last year. I think it’s only the poor RB depth that’s keeping him on the team. If Levesque continues to get minutes at RB in Florida, that’s a sign that Scott may be headed out the door.
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I do not disagree that Scott is still on the team due to a lack of depth at RB
But, this is the MLS and salary considerations play a part in the decisions of whom to keep on the roster. He is a veteran, but he is only a 3rd MLS player and as I previously wrote, he is cheap. I am sure there are worse backup RB’s in the league.
personally id rather see some of the older players leave
as opposed to the younger players. the younger players have more upside.
so personally id like to noonan, graham, a goalie, and possibly scott or even maybe jaqua cut. the first two mentioned have been injured to much, would most likely start the season on IR, cut into cap space and they arent getting younger or better.
you don't
protect a player (like jaqua) only to cut him later.
Didn't Philly?
Oh wait… Philly.
by magistermilitum on Feb 16, 2011 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Cutting Jaqua would be crazy
I’m sorry, you don’t just cut players like that. If anything, you trade them for allocation money. But cutting him would be admitting some ridiculous amount of failure.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 16, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
ok yeah i agree with that
but due to his large salary i feel like he might be expendable especially with white doing well
Whitecaps
I hear they could use a forward or four, have cash, and that Jaqua wants more playing time. I like him more than what seems to be the general consensus opinion (especially it I ignore his his aerial weaknesses), but agree it might be a net gain for all parties to deal him.
Cutting him would be exceptionally foolish.
by Little old me on Feb 16, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure it'd be a good idea
but you’d have to think that we would kind of be able to jack up the price if we dealt Jaqua to Vancouver. A pretty good amount. I like Jaqua. I think, if healthy, he can be a major contributor to the team. I’m just not convinced that he’s going to go through a whole season healthy in the near future and with his salary and our current forward corps and lack of allocation money (not to mention the fact that Vancouver should be rolling in allocation, given that they get a bunch for being an expansion team and haven’t signed many players yet).
Also, if since they’re looking for veteran strikers, I think there’s another guy we could trade them – his name starts with a Noo and ends with an -nan. Sad to say, but for them he’d actually be an upgrade compared to most of what they have right now as far as I can see.
Jaqua has plenty of trade value once healthy
If they decide to go in another direction, they’ll be able to move him. They got a second round pick for King last year and Jaqua’s worth more than that.
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Exit Pat Noonan
I am still not over them letting Baptiste from Joe Public go. His league may be terrible, which it is, but he has scored more goals in the CONCACAF CL than our entire roster combined. If Noonan, our 100k per year, PK missing, fourth string target forward is still on the roster for First Kick I am going to lose my mind.
100k think about what else that could buy in MLS.
Problem
is we still have to cut our senior roster players down to 20 so cutting noonan and adding Baptiste isn’t exactly going to get that down to 20.
i think he is saying more to the fact
that he doesnt get why noonan is still on the roster when they cut better players (aka baptiste)
Thanks Sandra
Yes, that is the point I was making. I don’t buy for a second that Noonan is better than Baptiste. I also don’t think that he is a good use of 100k in salary. Look at all the players on the roster and around MLS making less and most importantly look how terrible we were when he was the starting target man last season. I hate to beat a deadhorse but he has to go.
by _zorbthegeek on Feb 16, 2011 10:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You may not think that Noonan is better than Baptist, but Sigi thinks Noonan is better than Baptist
And Sigi’s is the only opinion that really matters.
Sigi is Not Perfect
Sigi and Andrian thought protecting LeToux was unnecessary. He certainly knows the game, but he ain’t perfect.
Baptiste is one of the more prolific scorers in CONCACAF. Noonan is a less than replacement level striker. Noonan’s salary > Alonso’s salary—it’s not even a tough choice. I am framing it as “Baptiste v. Noonan” but really it’s just about Noonan. He just isn’t that good.
by _zorbthegeek on Feb 17, 2011 6:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I still don’t see a scenario where, going into the season when we believed Jaqua would be healthy and likely knowing that Nkufo was coming, LeToux was going to play up top. It’s pretty clear that playing up top made a major difference to his game and if he had stayed I suspect it would have meant he played as a wide man, much like he did the first year. So while I still wish we had LeToux, I think it is a mistake to assume he was ever going to break out in Seattle like he did in Philly.
That's not the point
A player that we had on our roster and who received limited minutes while here scored double digit goals for another team. He did this after we did not protect him in the expansion draft and while we struggled mightily to score in league competition. It’s the FOs job to build the best possible squad. It is not the supporters job to make excuses for them when they fail to do so. He may not have foreseen the injury scenario, but it’s his job to do so. I love Sigi, but letting Le Toux go was the biggest personnel failure of the franchise so far (IMO followed by drafting Estrada in the first round). Sigi is great, but he and Adrian need to wear the blame when it’s warranted. If they keep Noonan for next season knowing what we know now—that’s a failure.
by _zorbthegeek on Feb 17, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
So you would have protected someone who was going to be at best the 4th forward on the team?
And then been Zach Scott at right back for the whole season.
I don’t think that’s a better plan.
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Not quite
I think the fact that Le Toux was considered “fourth best forward” was a mistake. In 2009 Le Toux was the third best forward on the team. Montero, Jaqua then Le Toux (many would argue he was better than Jaqua, but that’s besides the point). At the time of the expansion draft N’Kufo was still playing for FC Twente, Fucito was I believe still at Harvard. Now, I realize I have the benefit of hindsight and all that, but I simply can’t excuse the organization allowing Le Toux to go unprotected. I think supporters sometimes give too much deference to Sigi. To me it’s clear they messed that one up.
I’ll add this is all tangential and getting away from my larger point about Noonan.
by _zorbthegeek on Feb 17, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
but let's hindsight what you wanted them to do
Le Toux would have been 4th best
Taylor Graham or Zach Scott would have been starting.
Also based on 2009 there was little reason to believe that Le Toux was going to make an effective transition to MLS. He did not have a good year.
- aside – Fucito was on the roster in 2009. Discussions had already opened with Nkufo.
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Agree to disagree
I disagree, I but don’t want to be “argumentative internet guy”.
by _zorbthegeek on Feb 17, 2011 6:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Also
Le Toux better than Jaqua in Sigi’s system?
Highly doubtful.
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Not to re-rehash the debate, but
Le Toux the way he is playing in Philly and Montero would not work on the pitch together. Le Toux is doing so well for the Union precisely because he’s the focal point of the offense. He and Montero could not coexist in Sigi’s system IMO. It’d be either Ljungberg redux where they’re both getting in each others’ way or Le Toux would be in the ‘Fucito’ position, where he sees time mostly as a super-sub or in non-MLS games, or he’d be back on the wing where he just didn’t work out here.
To get back on topic, I do agree with you on Noonan. There is absolutely zero reason to keep him around. Besides the fact that he was injured, I have no clue why he wasn’t in the last reentery draft.
Totally a guess here
But I have this feeling Noonan renegotiated his contract and is going to be a lower cap hit if he’s around than he was last year. Total hunch.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 18, 2011 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
He still wouldn't be worth the spot
One senior player has to be cut. His best slot in the field (striker) is well covered. Scott and Graham provide cover in positions that aren’t as deep.
by Dizzo on Feb 18, 2011 9:48 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah agreed
and he takes away from getting younger players on the roster.
if he made the final roster he wouldnt play much.
im guessing the only reason he is still around is because of his leadership.
The case for keeping Graham & Scott
The salary cap rules are pretty complex, but we can run some scenarios where keeping both Graham and Scott makes financial sense. I’m going to assume that Noonan is the one most likely to be cut of the three players mentioned in the article. He offers the most cap relief and occupies a position where we have good young depth.
That takes us to exactly 20 senior players and those are the ones that count against the cap. Even if a younger player replaces Graham & Scott someone needs to fill that spot in the 20. They’ll have to make at least $42,000.
The case for Graham: provides the most out of the three vets listed IMHO. We’ll need multiple center-backs with experience if we plan to do well this year in CCL and the Open Cup. He’s played very well in both competitions. Cutting Graham means we’ll be relying on either the rookie Cruz or Wahl to anchor the back-line for these competitions. Lastly, he provides much needed height in the defense and on set pieces.
He was hardly breaking the bank last year with a salary of $57,750 last year and will likely make only $60,637 this year. Replacing Graham saves $18,637.00 in cap space.
The Case for Scott: I haven’t been super impressed with Scott over the last couple of years, but he provides depth in a spot where we’re very thin. He also provides toughness and rarely seems to miss time due to injuries. In other words, he’s ideal for depth. And he doesn’t make much more than minimum.
Last year he made a mere $42,008. He’ll likely make $44,108 this year with the automatic 5% raise required by the CBA. That’s a only $2,108.00 in cap savings. Hardly worth cutting a guy over.
The option for carrying only 28 players: There is one scenario where it makes sense to cut all three players mentioned in the article. The Sounders could move two young players who could fit in spots 21-30 up to senior roster. They could then leave the spots 29 & 30 unfilled and receive an additional $70,000 in allocation money that can be used to cut down the cap hit of another player. It still means a couple of the promising young players will need to be cut and we won’t be as deep in some key areas.
by Dizzo on Feb 17, 2011 9:13 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Why isn't Levesque listed as Center Back?
I just think it’s unfair to deny him the full set…
Funny you should ask
Levesque was actually screwing around at keeper in practice yesterday and handled himself well.
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by Brian Floyd on Feb 18, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Earls doesn't show up on the depth by role chart.
I was kind of curious if you’d rank him above or Tetteh. It seems like you’re implying that Tetteh will be a mid, rather than a back.
well i think he is going based on the positions they have played in training
usually earls is playing left back and tetteh has played left mid
Whoops...
Yeah, I’m pretty sure Earls would be above Tetteh, if for no other reason that that’s how they appear to be lining up right now.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 17, 2011 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
I would actually have Earls as 3rd by Role
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