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Sounders GM Adrian Hanauer: Adding Another DP Soon 'Not Out Of The Question'

Blaise Nkufo never seemed to fully embrace his roll as a target forward in Seattle Sounders coach Sigi Schmid's offensive system. (Photo by Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images)

No one can fault the Seattle Sounders for being shy when it comes to signing Designated Players. In just their third year of MLS existence, they have already signed four DPs, more than any other team.

That two of them have ended in rather spectacular fashion, most recently Blaise Nkufo's departure being announced just hours before First Kick, you could be excused for thinking the Sounders may be getting a little gun shy. In talking the GM Adrian Hanauer, though, nothing seems to be further from the truth. Hanauer didn't exactly guarantee that the team would sign another DP this year, but he gave clear indications that it is a very real possibility.

"It’s for sure not out of the question," Hanauer said about signing a DP sooner rather than later. "That's part of this equation: cap relief, roster relief and a designated player slot.

"Obviously Sigi, I and Chris (Henderson) are all talking about how we win a championship. We need to beat LA to win a championship. Can we beat LA on a given day? Sure, I think so, but we need to consistently beat LA to win a championship and need to keep talking about how we get there. It’s probably not going to be done by adding minimum salary players.

"When you look at (David) Beckham and (Landon) Donovan, that’s $8 million worth of players, their payroll is probably three times of what ours is and to some degreee you get what you pay for. We need to figure it out and get better."

Rather than being discouraged by the way the Freddie Ljungerg and Nkufo signings ultimately turned out, Hanauer sees them as just part of the business. An unfortunate part, to be sure, but not one that is particularly surprising.

"For sure we’ve learned," Hanauer said. "I can’t guarantee that we won’t make mistakes as we move forward. But I’m a big believer that in the case of a team or a business that has all these overlopping and interlocking parts, that action over inaction is typically better. My bias is to action, not inaction.

"We probably could have mutually agreed to keep going with status quo, but in both cases (Ljungberg and Nkufo) I think making a decision whether popular, well-timed or financially beneficial, as long as it’s the right long-term decision it's what we are going to try to do."

Star-divide

Hanauer did acknowledge that the timing of the Nkufo announcement was unfortunate. He did not get into many details about how, exactly, the situation went down, but he again reiterated that there was not an "incident" that preempted the decision.

Rather it was a long-simmering displeasure that essentially came to a head after the Community Shield match against the Colorado Rapids when Nkufo asked to talk to coach Sigi Schmid. It's not exactly clear what was said during that conversation, but we know it ended with the two sides agreeing to go their separate ways. That basically left the Sounders one option: cutting ties with him just days before First Kick.

"That’s the problem, today it couldn’t have happened," Hanauer said the day after the game. "Blaise would be on our books all year, unless we could trade him, which it didn’t seem very likely that we could do. No one wanted his budget number."

Signs that all was not well between the Sounders and Nkufo first started to show when he was left unprotected in the Expansion Draft. It wasn't a shocking decision, as several Designated Players were left exposed, but it was perhaps telling that the Vancouver Whitecaps passed on the chance to select him since they would've been given the opportunity to renegotiate his contract.

Later in the off-season, Nkufo was quoted in a Dutch website saying that playing in MLS was "not about football," but rather about a certain lifestyle. While those statements could be overlooked, in hindsight they seem more telling. Little signs like that slowly built up over the course of the off-season. Nkufo had nagging injuries early in camp that seemed to indicate he was not in the best shape. During the game against the Portland Timbers, Nkufo was coming as far back as the "D" to receive passes, something Schmid alluded to as being problematic after the Rapids match when he said "The forwards did a good job tonight of staying high. It's maybe sometimes frustrating when you stay high because you feel you don't see enough of the ball." At least one story has claimed that kind of strategic difference played a significant roll in Nkufo's displeasure.

The other even that coincided with the situation coming to a head was Vancouver's signing of Eric Hassli, in some ways a younger, but less accomplished version of Nkufo. That Hassli's signing and Nkufo's decision to finally talk to Schmid came within a week of each other doesn't seem to be a total coincidence. Nkufo, whose family lives in Vancouver, very well could have been hoping the Whitecaps would eventually see value in acquiring his services. That was obviously not happening after the Hassli signing, and the Whitecaps have been reported as having no interest in Nkufo.

That decision essentially gives the Sounders until April 15 to find someone that can help immediately, as that is the date the MLS transfer window closes.  The window does not open again until July 15, which would mean about half of the season would have already passed.

Hanauer did not say what kind of player the Sounders are looking for, but there's no reason to believe that they would restrict themselves to a forward, especially considering there's still a very good chance that Nate Jaqua could ultimately be that player. Whatever happens from here, we can at least be assured that Hanauer does not intend to sit on his hands.

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If Jaqua

is ultimately that player, sure we can look else where with the DP slot. But that brings the question can Jaqua stay healthy and match fit.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Fair question, to be sure

Just saying that we shouldn’t just assume that the next dp is a target forward

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any chance

they save it and use it on a GK in the summer? Or is the FO happy with Boss/Ford for the future/next season, because I’m not convinced either will be ready next season, or ever for that matter

ZackyRy

by Zack Ryland on Mar 17, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

Not gonna happen that would be wasting cap space on a GK. We had one of the highest salaries in MLS for a GK. I don’t see why spending 335k of cap space on a GK would get us anywhere.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seattle

will be looking for a new GK but not with the DP slot.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ditto

Last year Keller made 300k, so just shy of DP money. Rimando made 131k & Ricketts made $160k. So around ~150k is what a true top level MLS GK is worth.

Obviously Keller has a lot of added value off the field that Rimando & Ricketts lack, but i still suspect he took a pay cut for this season.

You could probably count on one hand the number of world keepers that might be worth it for an MLS club to make a DP, due to that lack of resources such a move leaves you to build the rest of your roster.

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps...

it’s easier to see things from that perspective when you’ve already got one of the better keepers in the league on your side, but if opponents were finding the back of the net more often I think we might think differently.

The worst (statistically) keeper in ‘10 bled goals at a rate of 1.8 per game, and that was over 23 games—we’re not talking about a USOC starter, occasional keeper. Even if we assume that was an exceptionally bad performance, the average of the bottom half (of keepers seeing at least 1,000 minutes) works out to a little over 1.5 GAA. Assuming that any DP keeper would be one of the best in the league and also play in nearly all league games and important non-league games, that could be a difference of 17-25 goals over the course of the season. If that wouldn’t help contribute to a Supporter’s Shield campaign, I don’t know what would

Looking at it from another angle, the success rate of Midfielders and Forwards as DPs would seem to be mixed at best and a long shot at worst. I think the GK can be more easily isolated statistically and analyzed in a way that lends itself to projection, potentially making a DP GK a safer investment. The longevity of the GK career is something else to consider—a 32 year old keeper has potentially 6-8 more years, if they can stay fit, while an attacking player would likely be at the end of their productive run.

Having said all that, if we unearth a 20 goal/year TF and sign him, I guess that works for me..

by Sullitron on Mar 17, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Kasey but I don't think he's one of the better keepers in the league.

And really, keepers just aren’t as important as they get credit for being. Having a good keeper is wonderful but other positions are just far, far more important.

by Aaron Campeau on Mar 17, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know that I agree with that

Look at what Van Der Saar has done for ManU over the last two games. Not to mention the fact that his distribution is unmatched.

by TheTank123 on Mar 18, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mondragon

Philly’s new keeper is a DP, is he not?

by Iam333 on Mar 17, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

nope

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 17, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

A GK might not have a huge impact on the field

But it’s worth noting that they tend to stay fit and healthy, playing 90 minutes of pretty much every game. Your investment might not look spectacular on any given game, but your DP quality player is there for every minute of every game that matters.

by Tohoya on Mar 17, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a market

You pay the asking price. Why would the Sounders DP a keeper if the market makes it clear that you can get a top notch MLS quality keeper paying far less?

Just to prove a point?

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by sidereal on Mar 17, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not quite that easy

If a team could simply go out and “get” a top notch GK, every team would. The top notch keepers are found by scouting departments and/or developed. Keller will be gone next year, and the talent we have on the roster are not likely to be top level MLS keepers during the time frame that our young attacking talent is here.

It seems likely that the starting keeper for next year’s First Kick will be someone found by the scouting department, and if that player’s talent is worth DP money, I think that’s a pretty solid investment.

by Sullitron on Mar 17, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

Last year, Keller wasn’t just the highest paid keeper at less than DP money, he was the highest paid keeper by a significant margin. Anyone that spends more than that on keeper, is just asking to overspend.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 18, 2011 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

The market can be pretty illiquid

If you come up with a big need at keeper, there aren’t always great options at every price point. That is, there are Rimandos and Ricketts out there to be had for reasonable contracts, but not every single moment in time, and it’s probably getting more difficult to find guys like that as the league expands. And you’re probably going to have to sit through a couple of relative busts before you find a top-notch guy for a mid-range price.

Probably, though, for a keeper to be good enough to DP, there’s no way we could afford his transfer fee. That is, you would have to go find a top keeper in a top league to make the DP tag and salary hit worth it, but that kind of keeper is probably going to warrant a transfer fee in the tens of millions(?), so it’s probably not practical to go acquire a keeper good enough to DP.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, generally

But I don’t think we need a keeper from a top league to be the best in the MLS. I could be wrong, as I haven’t really scoured mid-level leagues, but I’d guess a top-tier Brazilian, Russian, or maybe even Eredivisie or Primeira Liga keeper would step into the league as the best between the pipes.

Granted, this would take a great deal of work and a little luck. But if that situation comes up, I’m of the mind that it would be worth a 3rd DP slot.

by Sullitron on Mar 17, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not

only that but if the rest of roster are doing their jobs the GK wouldn’t see as much action. That is why IMO a DP GK is a waste of cap space, a slot and money.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Total disagreement

A DP slot would make absolute sense as a way to get a high level Keeper’s transfer fee paid up front. A one year use of the DP slot to purchase a great keeper is certainly much better than not using it, given the money is there to be spent.

It WOULD be a waste if we went at it like we are for Flacco, using a DP slot for years on end, but I would be very happy to see a DP slot used for one year in order to pay a keeper’s transfer fee… especially for the Sounders.

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by Little old me on Mar 17, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Transfer Fees count over the life of the contract

It is why Alvaro is still a DP

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by Dave Clark on Mar 17, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh

good to know. I thought there was flexibility in this from our Alvaro discussions last year.

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by Little old me on Mar 17, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was the thought then

but we’ve learned more since.

Adrian has been very helpful getting Jeremiah and I in the know

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by Dave Clark on Mar 17, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

So...

What do we know about Álvaro’s contract? Length? Transfer fee evenly spread out over entire length?

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

at time of signing was "longer than 18 months"

which probably means 24 or 30.

Yes, transfer fee over the whole deal

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by Dave Clark on Mar 17, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

one would think 30

Based on a typical euro January transfer window signing usually being for x.5 years. But I guess with the half year DP rule, 24 isn’t impossible.

My Q was if the transfer fee was evenly distributed over the contract, it seems that it would be more fair if a higher percentage was front loaded. And yeah, I don’t expect you to know that.

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

This was, in fact, what I was led to believe...

In light of Fabian Castillo’s contract, though, I’ve learned some other details. Namely, teams apparently have the choice of how they want the transfer fee factored into the cap. The Sounders apparently chose to spread it out over the life of the contract, which leads me to believe Flaco has a pretty high base salary.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 18, 2011 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Care to elaborate

On what options are on the table for future signings?

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by Little old me on Mar 19, 2011 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's not a lot of elaboration

Basically when teams sign or get a player on loan they are given the choice to spread that money out over the life of a contract or have it count as one lump sum. In many cases, it makes sense to have it hit the cap in one lump sum because the player’s base salary is not particularly high. In other cases, perhaps in the case of Flaco, the base salary is already relatively high (the players union said he made $300k last year) so it might make more sense to have him hit the cap evenly, thus allowing the team to continue to pay down his cap hit with allocation money.

Hope that makes sense.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 19, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I noticed that too on Castillo and it made my head spin.

Some goal.com article that mentioned Dallas had that option and chose to put the $800k transfer fee in the first year of his contract. It made me wonder why the Sounders would not choose to do that.

Regarding your reasoning with allocation money, can’t you pay down anyone’s cap hit DP or not? But maybe not an existing contract, and always with DPs, but yet we have other DPs.. AHH MLS.

Part of me wonders if Alvaro will fall off DP status mid year.

by deeplennon on Mar 19, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can only pretend to kind of understand

This is basically the process of piecing different conversations with different FOs together. Last year, the Sounders said Flaco’s transfer fee was prorated. I have to imagine there’s a good reason for that. I’m not exactly sure whether or not you can continuously pay down anyone’s salary using allocation. I know you can always pay down DPs, but maybe you can only pay down a transfer’s cap hit during their first year? I honestly don’t know.

Saborio, for instance, is supposedly only a DP this year because all of his transfer amount was treated as a lump sum, too.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 19, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The lack of transparency in MLS can be pretty maddening.

Looking at the 2011 rules, what I understand about allocation money, that is inevitably flawed due to the complexities of MLS is that you can use allocation money to:

Pay down a contract of player new to the MLS.
Pay down a new contract of an existing player (with approval)
Pay down a DP cap hit down to $150k.
Some contract extension scenarios.
Exercising an option on a loan player.

The fact that we never know how much allocation money is floating out there only makes everything that much more of a guess. But assuming it’s not a massive amount, it seems like they would’ve had plenty of other options to use it and save the $35k (which I’m glad to learn from your post three up, really isn’t that big).

by deeplennon on Mar 19, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh

I understand the idea.

If seattle was gonna go with that idea. The only other spot i think seattle would be aiming for DP wise is CM. We are fine at CB’s with Ianni, Parke and Hurtado. Outside backs i think would be a waste of cap space and slot itself.

Jeremiah, perhaps you can get a chart going of the DP’s currently in MLS by position. I’m curious to see what that looks like.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh

forgot to add we already have a DP winger and a DP WF.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see that too. It’s running franchise mode in Madden, or any other sports game, you gotta know who’s available, who’s playing where and whom ya can steal to take your team to the Cup.

by sum anon on Mar 17, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

From Jeremiah

MF: Beckham, Donovan, de Guzman, Boskovic, Fernandez
FW: Angel, Montero, Saborio, Mendoza, Castillo, Henry, Bravo, Hassli
D: Marquez

by sum anon on Mar 17, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea

i figured there would be mostly MF and FW.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

& Márquez ..

Is only going to the back 4 this year. Admittedly where he also played for Barca.

A lot of people also question De Guzman’s value, not just for his play, which hasen’t been so great, but for the fact that he’s a CDM.

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about...

Rosales? Though I don’t know where he would play, wouldn’t he have to be a DP?

ZackyRy

by Zack Ryland on Mar 17, 2011 2:42 PM PDT reply actions  

no

Adrian has said that his signing was basically worked out before the Nkufo thing and that they were going to fit him under the cap regardless.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 17, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

For anyone that has actually watched N'Kufo play in the Eredivisie

Is N’Kufo being asked to do something different than he did in the past or is he being asked by Sigi to do the same thing he did in Europe?

If it is the same, I blame N’Kufo. If it is different, I blame the Sounders front office.

by Coug1990 on Mar 17, 2011 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm not sure it matters whether he used to do it or not

You have to imagine playing style was a topic of conversation when the Sounders were recruiting him. More to the point, if he was being asked to be a target forward, I’m not sure that’s a remotely unfair request.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 17, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't

think so either. If he was a little bit younger i don’t think he would mind. But him being 35 though being a TF would be really hard on his body especially being bumped around by the opposing players.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree. You recruit players that fit your system

First, I am not sure if they had that topic of discussion or the Sounders would not be in this circumstance.

You do not go out and trade/sign Albert Pujols and tell him to forget about home runs and driving in runs to work on his one base percentage. You get Pujols because what he can do. You sign N’Kufo because you know what he has done.

by Coug1990 on Mar 17, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's not really any reason to think Nkufo wouldn't be able to play as a target forward in MLS.

If I had a guess, it would be that Nkufo was not at all prepared for how physical the play in MLS would be.

(Also, Albert Pujols has a career OBP of .426. It’s pretty much the most valuable part of his skillset.)

by Aaron Campeau on Mar 17, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Pujols is great at just about everything on a ball field. The point regarding N’Kufo is that he is 35, you don’t sign someone at that age and ask him to change his game.

by Coug1990 on Mar 17, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly, I think Nkufo really thought this was going to be him sailing off into the sunset

I don’t think he was at all prepared to be fighting off defenders and playing physically. I think he really thought that he’d come in here, score goals, soak in the adoration and then retire. His heart was pretty obviously not entirely in this.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 17, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a bummer, but yeah. It's true.

And that kind of makes what Garber said about the DP slots being ideally used to draw big names from Europe the other day really, really disheartening to me because it’s not like Nkufo is alone in that approach.

by Aaron Campeau on Mar 17, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

If this is the case

Hopefully nkufo can spread the word that it is not the retirement league they are looking for.

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by lysander on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It really is hard to decifer what is in a persons heart

But, I think there is a lot of truth to that. I think he came to MLS to have fun and retire. I don’t think his heart was totally into it this year.

by Coug1990 on Mar 17, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not saying he wasn't trying...

By all accounts, he trained hard and was a good teammate. It was just that his heart wasn’t into the weekly battles with CBs. Honestly, I’m not sure any European is quite prepared for that before they experience it here. It’s just a much more physical league.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 17, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

which

is why i think bringing in any aging player (in general) as a DP is not the solution. If you want to bring a Europe star you got to think either younger or one that can handle being in a physical league.

Neither of the 2 DP’s we had that left could handle being in a physical league.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, I think he likely did try hard

I have even had this discussion on the Cougars blogs. Trying hard and being focused are not the same thing. He had an illustrious career at FC Twente capped off by a league championship and a statue built in his honor. He follows that up by starting for the Swiss in the World Cup.

Then he moves to the States. He was excited last year because he is near his wife and family. But, this year has to be somewhat of a mental letdown. I think effort was there, focus not so much.

by Coug1990 on Mar 17, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's a completely bogus analogy

You do not go out and trade/sign Albert Pujols and tell him to forget about home runs and driving in runs to work on his one base percentage.

That’s not at all what has happened here. If we’re going to make a baseball analogy, this is like signing an aging center fielder and asking him to move to RF (or DH), because his legs aren’t what they used to be, and that’s where he helps your team the most. Players change as they age and it is not unreasonable to suggest that a slightly different role would better suit their skills when they are older.

The Sounders have a responsibility to see if a player is willing to play certain roles, but I doubt the Sounders pulled any kind of bait and switch here. If Nkufo didn’t want to play the TF role, he (and especially his agent) should have made sure he was going to a team that didn’t want to put him there. And I think if you’re looking for a league that’s not physical, you don’t have to do much homework at all to see that MLS is not where you want to be.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes and know

I was trying to quickly think of someone before I left work and I didn’t do a great job. While I think you made my point better than I actually did. I am not sure you are giving enough weight to what and how players think. It was just last season that N’Kufo lead his team to a championship. It was just last season that N’Kufo started in the World Cup. He doesn’t think of himself as an ancient player or in your example an aging outfielder.

Think of Griffey last season. In his mind, he thought he was still a clean up hitter and threw a hissy fit when he was benched. N’Kufo still thinks he is good and wanted to play the way he always had.

by Coug1990 on Mar 17, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

It takes two to tango

If it was that important to Nkufo that he have a particular role, then he should have made sure that he found the right place to play. No one made him sign on here, and MLS isn’t a retirement home for overseas stars who feel like their personal concerns are more important than the team’s mission to win.

Nkufo certainly has a right to look out for himself, but it’s absolutely selfish for a player to force his way out of a team because he’s not playing where he wants to play. So as a Sounders fan, I am disappointed in his decision, even if I understand why he made that decision.

by ubelmann on Mar 17, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are asking a lot more of one player than you are of an entire organization

I am sure Seattle being a few hours from his family trumped everything in his mind.

None of us really know the details of the conversations between the Sounders and N’Kufo before he was signed. I am sure there is enough blame to go around on BOTH sides. But, for me and I do not speak for anyone else, I blame the Sounders front office more than N’Kufo in this situation.

When you want a specific type player (and from reading what Sigi has said, he wanted a specific type player), you go out and find a player that fits that mold. In the end, the FO has done so much more good than bad, so it is not really a big deal to me. The Sounders will go out and replace N’Kufo and he will be just a memory.

by Coug1990 on Mar 18, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really don't think I'm asking that much of Nkufo

All I’m saying is that if he wants to play a specific role, he (and his agent!) should make sure that he’s wanted for that kind of role on his new team. I think it’s more reasonable for the team to expect the player to respect the coach’s instructions than it is for the player to expect the team to conform to his desires. The whole point of having management is that they set the team’s direction and assign roles to players.

by ubelmann on Mar 18, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That goes back to what I originally said, we just don't know the conversations that took place beforeN'Kufo was signed

You would “assume” both sides had done their homework, but we all know what happens when you “assume.”

Now you say you don’t think it unreasonable, but I say if you want a certain type of player, you go find that type of player, not one who never played that way over his career.

As I said, there is probably enough blame to go around on BOTH sides.

by Coug1990 on Mar 18, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

At this point, who cares?

Does it really matter who’s MORE at fault?

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 18, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Twente played a much more Continental style than the Sounders and while target forwards can certainly be a part of that style, the play is much less physical than in MLS. A target forward in MLS is different than a target forward is England is different than a target forward in the Netherlands.

With that said, it’s probably way too simplistic to hand either party the entirety (or even the majority) of the blame. Things didn’t work out, it would appear as though it were settled in a manner which suited all parties and it’s time to move on. The handling of this situation shows that the team learned something from the Ljungberg situation and I’m happy with that.

by Aaron Campeau on Mar 17, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that Nkufo seems to have a little more respect for the FO to deal with it in this manner as well. Seemingly anyways. I appreciate that he was willing to step up and speak out about it before the season started and his contract was guaranteed. I don’t know that I’d expect Ljungberg to have done the same.

Boo! Tomorrow AM. I want all things now!

by Perrinbar on Mar 17, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I think Nkufo still gets paid...

It just doesnt’ count against the cap.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 17, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a pretty sweet deal.

I’d love to be paid a few hundred thousand for not doing anything.

by Dizzo on Mar 17, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I

Would just love to have skills.

"But who would listen to Little old me anyway?"

-by thehemogoblin

by Little old me on Mar 17, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Highly doubt it's even close to that.

Sounds like the FO just negotiated a severance package to terminate his contract.

by Ajas on Mar 17, 2011 5:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Did I read that correctly?

LA’s payroll is three times that of the Sounders? How on earth is that possible with a team drawing twice as many fans per game as anybody else?

I do agree with the other part of the statement – that you get what you pay for.

by Shearer! on Mar 17, 2011 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

pretty simple really

Beckham’s on 6.5 mill and Donovan 2.1. Our DPs make (made) 800k & 480k + Álvaro. Add in the 1.5 million of salary cap after you subtract the DP hits and there you have it.

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the question is how they afford it

Beckham sells a lot of jerseys. Their local TV contract is probably better, too, since it’s for the whole LA area. That said, I doubt they make much more revenue than the Sounders.

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by sidereal on Mar 17, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

If more, not three times more. %20 maybe.

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

AEG?

Are they not owned by AEG or some big corp that throws money at the team regardless of profit (like red bull in NY?)

Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.

by lysander on Mar 17, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think these quotes are great.

They are honest, and in my opinion accurate.

One think I would really like to know is the length of Álvaro’s contract. It seemed pretty clear from quotes and such that he is only a DP because of his transfer fee, it also is clear as of this year that that transfer fee hit is spread out over the contract. Maybe it hits at a different percentage every year? I don’t know. Has anyone ever heard how long his contract is or definitively how his transfer fee is spread across it?

Álvaro’s situation could be key to retaining Zakuani, acknowledging the debate though if it would be better to have another potential $400-$800k DP, or something bigger.

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 5:48 PM PDT reply actions  

I been thinking

on what Seattle could do with the open DP spot. If they are thinking CM i would like it to be a free kick taker that way we would have 2 on the roster friberg for 2nd and DP CM for first team.

If we want to do well in 3 three competitions i think 2 free kick takers is necessary imo.

The one issue with a CM DP is have is what exactly are they gonna do with Evans. Bump him to 2nd team thus bumping friberg to 3rd team? Move Evans to a different spot like LM depth? RB depth? Trade him?

I know Evan one of sigi favorites but one of these days he has to stop playing favorites for the shake of the future of the franchise if he remains HC of this team.

or they can stick with what they had with that DP spot TF maybe one that can handle the physicalness of the league.

Besides those 2 spots i don’t see anywhere else where a DP slot is necessary at this point. I can see Seattle bring in a DP CB at some point but not right now.

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Fucito

proved he might be a kick taker last year. Gotta love lefties.

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by Little old me on Mar 17, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

maybe

but that was just one game thought. I would need to see a larger sample of Fucito taking free kicks before seeing if hes the right person. perhaps open cup and CCL.

I was more thinking of first team starting XI IF Seattle were to get a DP CM meaning friberg or evans would become depth rather than starter. And with Montero there Fucito wouldn’t be on the first team starting XI

by gstommylee on Mar 17, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

On Tuesday

There was one play I recall seeing Friberg running back full sprint stride for stride with Donovan, so the guy has some decent wheels. If we did get a CM, why not try Friberg out on the wing?

by PeterJH on Mar 17, 2011 7:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I think short term

He’s fine on the right wing, but he looks like a pretty route one player to me.

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

why stop there, if we are aiming high why not go higher? Messi? Ronaldo? Kaka?

im kidding of course, but honestly i dont see forlan coming here for a few years

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by kelliott1527 on Mar 17, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

In a few years

He won’t be worth it, just another retirement. Of course I’m not endorsing a move now, though it’d be a great way to catch up to the Gals in salary ;) (hint hint Adrien) He’s rumored to be on $7 mil a year.

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know how their salary number got that high?

David Beckham makes $6.5 million.

David Beckham sucks.

by Aaron Campeau on Mar 17, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nothing.

I have something against awful soccer players.

by Aaron Campeau on Mar 17, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

And I do not disagree.

Ali-G interviews Posh & Becks

Is it just me or does Stevie Z sound a lot like Ali-G.

by deeplennon on Mar 17, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's actively bad right now.

He was the worst player on the pitch on Tuesday and it wasn’t particularly close.

by Aaron Campeau on Mar 18, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite part about Tuesdays game

Was watching Beckham standing by himself on the right sideline while 21 other players did their best to ignore him. Leo rarely got within 10 yards of him when he didn’t have the ball.

by bauckus on Mar 18, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree to disagree

His service into the box was better than anyone on the field.

by TheTank123 on Mar 18, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's no way he was worse than Magee

It’s shocking that he’s seeing the field for a Cup contender.

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by sidereal on Mar 18, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a salary cap

Nothing surprises me too much about lack of depth in a league with a salary cap. You’ve got to pick your poison sometimes.

by ubelmann on Mar 18, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I HATE

Mike Magee

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by Little old me on Mar 19, 2011 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clarification question related to younger DPs

So if an MLS club develops a player and they are transferred to another league and there is a transfer fee, do you know exactly how it all plays out? My understanding is that the club gets 2/3 of the transfer fee and the league gets 1/3, but what I’ve been wondering is if that transfer fee is in the form of allocation money that the club can use in turn to buy down their cap or just cash for the owners to put into their pockets.

by Kix on Mar 17, 2011 11:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Not positive about the percentages

But the kind of split you’re talking about is related to Home Grown Players, not just guys like Montero. As for the real money vs. allocation money, my understanding is that transfer fees worth toward both.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 18, 2011 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would it be wrong to reason that if Donovan was transferred at the end of this season for something like 12 mil, LA would get 8 mil of allocation money? Which seems completely preposterous.

by Kix on Mar 18, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's probably realistic

But I honestly don’t know how Landon’s specific situation would work.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 18, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

They would get 8 Mil of the fee

Very little of it would be allowed as allocation.

I think that is capped at about 3/4 million

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by Dave Clark on Mar 19, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's gonna be Forlan

I said it the day of the front office statement on Forlan…I think the deal is in place and has been for some time. Go back and read Hanauer’s non-denial. A carefully crafted piece that certainly doesn’t shoot down anything.

Further, Forlan is being played and treated like a lame duck in Madrid. The Atletico players leaked to the Madrid media that they secretly call him derogatory feminine nicknames behind his back – the term has now been picked up by the Atleti fans who chant it as he enters the game – more commonly from the bench these days…

I don’t think it’s a question of lack of skill, it’s just the sort of stuff that happens during a bad season when teammates know you’re not long for the team.

The non-denial, coupled with the convenient clearing of the DP slot and the earlier credible reports from Madrid lead me to believe there is better then a 50% chance that Forlan is coming. This would certainly take care of our set piece issues for one…

Don't play a dangerous game.

by Hul10 on Mar 18, 2011 12:30 AM PDT reply actions  

LOL

He is a very pretty girl.

His old nickname was something like “The Little Brown Witch” iirc. Hmmmmmm.

Don't play a dangerous game.

by Hul10 on Mar 19, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a bit late on this one

but I’ll weigh in anyway.

Glad to hear this kind of talk out of the front office. I read Adrian’s quote to my buddy this morning and his response was “good, it sounds like they finally ‘get it’.” I love that the Sounders are trying to bring these guys in young and right on the cusp of their entire careers opening up. But it has been obvious to me that the team needs the next level of skill/speed/tactics on this team i order to succeed. I’m just not sure who they could get at this point of the season who could be that guy? It may just be worth waiting until July to make sure we get the right one. I still believe that this team will start better than they did last season and that we’ll be in much better shape, comparatively this July.

But to win a championship and be a truly elite team is going to take a settling presence on this team that we simply do not have (yet). Friberg, Rosales may still end up being those players, but I’d like to see us seal the deal with a 3-5 million a year player.

by swansuite on Mar 18, 2011 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

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