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The "Quick Lads" - how wing play may be the answer for the Sounders

Sanna Nyassi: a little, quick lad...

As Jonathan Wilson points out:

"Football used to be an easy game. The big lads played at centre-half and centre-forward, the hard lads played at full-back, the bright lads played at inside forward, the hard lads who were a bit bright and the bright lads who were a bit hard played at wing-half, and the little, quick lads played on the wing. Left-footers played on the left and right-footers played on the right. And the one with no mates went in goal."

What we are going to talk about today is the wingers, the "quick lads" as it were.

It seems as though this has already become a point of contention in this young 2011 Sounders season.  Last year we learned two things: Sigi believed in the "quick lads" approach, and Steve Zakuani is pretty important. 

Already this year we have seen what the attack looks like with one, and then none, wingers who "play with their legs" as I like to call it: essentially a player who is going to make use of speed as a primary asset and run AT defenders, and not hold the ball up and seek out space.  An example of the latter is Alvaro Fernandez, who as the right winger has demonstrated his skill, but is not someone who plays with his legs.

Last year, we all cringed at times at Sanna Nyassi's "technical naivete" as as I liked to call it.  His slight frame was all to often easily forced off the ball, he seemed to just want to dribble in a straight line as fast as he could every time he got the ball, and he ended too many runs with sub-par crosses.  Despite all this, his running served a positive overall effect.  It created space, it created opportunity.  He may have had little to offer apart from "playing with his legs" but he certainly provided his fill of that.

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Contrast last year's "speed on the wings" to what we saw Saturday evening against NYRB and the difference is stark.  Neither Erik Friberg nor Fernandez seemed at all interested in "playing with their legs" and with two CDM's manning the middle, the whole affair seemed to lack energy and dynamism.  While this all may have been Sigi's grand plan, it looked plodding to me.  (and yet, despite all this, there were opportunities to score that went wasted...)

There are some important elements preventing an immediate alleviation to this problem.  While we can be pretty confident Zakuani will be back, this team is also a bit short-handed in the attack at the moment.  Nate Jaqua may return soon, but we are a few weeks out from seeing Mike Fucito back, and if we want more speed he seems the logical man to turn to.  Fernandez seems to be the man at the right wing, and it is unlikely this will change.  Lamar Neagle, Miguel Montano, and David Estrada are all names in the mix, but none is a likely League starter.

What do we want out of the wings?


It turns out that defining what a winger is and how he fits into the contemporary game is pretty hard - believe me, I've tried.  I've talked about inverted wingers and there is even the idea of "central wingers" but the common thread is the idea of the "wide play-maker",  and this agrees with the idea of the de-centralization of the playmaker.  De-centralization both in terms of positional and personnel: which is to say it is no longer an idea of "that guy" who lives somewhere in the middle of the pitch.

Its best summed up as someone who can dribble, pass, shoot, in no particular order.  But that seems simplistic; you would like it if everyone on your team can do that, obviously.  Another way to look at it is that the wings are where the dribblers have gone, these are the guys who are going to run at and take on defenders; this being more possible on the wings due to there being less congestion on the flanks. 

You can also look at it as a inevitable consequence of the "bucket 4-4-2", in which central midfielders become holders and outside mids attackers, verging on 4-2-2-2 (and, if the 2nd striker drops off to become more of a CAM, a 4-2-3-1).  In a "bucket" the shape dictates that these players are the playmakers in the system, operating wide but cutting inside as needed.  In the World Cup, the USA used this approach in their starting lineups with Landon Donovan and Clint Dempsey as wide playmakers, with two central holders and two strikers up top.  They were the engines in the attack, as well as the primary goal threats.

But as we saw last year, sometimes it just helps to be a "quick lad".  In his 86 minutes last Tuesday, Zakuani twice fed O'Brian White for what should have been goals.  He was the best attacking player in green, and he didn't always seem to do the smartest thing with the ball.  His willingness to run at defenders, to play with his legs, can be audacious at times, almost naively so.  But it works...

It seems as though what we should expect out of the wingers this year is still and will continue to evolve.  Any long-term loss of Zakuani may constitute a crisis, or we may see Michael Tetteh or Fucito contribute as "quick lads".  I wouldn't de-emphasize this, though.  It may be that Fernandez is best suited for a more central role, it could be that Friberg - despite looking lost on the left Saturday - may end up flourishing on the right.  It's hard to say.  But if the Sounders are going to unlock the mystery to scoring goals I think they are going to need to turn the switch to hyper-agressive: I think they are going to need to unleash the "quick lads".

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…I see Fernandez touch the ball, I see the pace slow down. With a not-entirely-confident OBW in the middle, I suppose it would be better to have as much space for him to operate as possible. And a slow pace ends up with him getting clogged up. That said, I think Fernandez is at best when Zak is out there doing exactly what you describe.

I like Friberg so far, but – while he certainly needs seasoning – would think Tetteh is more apt to be that pace-setter who can push the D and, in so doing, create middle space for OBW (or Fredy). And also move enough to give Alvaro more room to be choosy.

by jayw913 on Mar 21, 2011 5:04 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, not Tetteh, not yet at least

Tetteh needs a lot more time before I would throw him in the starting eleven over Friberg. I think even Montano at this point would be a better option if speed is what you want.

As far as a change of pace, a much faster pace at that, I could see Sigi inserting Montano and or Tetteh in the 60s to 70s, but overall Friberg has a lot more quality play in him than those two. Lets go get three points this Friday so everyone can calm down a bit.

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by chrisso on Mar 21, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

No kidding...

…there are worse showings than holding LA & NY to a goal apiece and being a couple good strikes away from having 2, 4 or 6 pts right now. Everyone needs a breather.

I think Friberg is going to be just fine. Two games and two very very near misses…

Preseason work or not, we’ve got a bunch of guys at/near the front who are still learning to play with one another. I think they’ll be fast studies. If they’re going to play counter on the road, though, they need to actually counter. Felt like there were a few too many times where good D work couldn’t get turned around quickly enough to the Sounders’ advantage. If Zak plays Friday, this whole situation dissolves…

by jayw913 on Mar 21, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

How do you know who needs more time?

I’m still new to following the tactical side of soccer, so I’m wondering how you can know when somebody is ready or not. Can you tell by just watching the preseason games? Or do you go to the practices?

Carrasco made it in the Starting XI vs NY and he started practicing the same time as Tetteh. Tetteh even got signed before Carrasco. But I believe you because Tetteh didn’t even make it on the bench for either games.

by hormd on Mar 21, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Preseason games and coach's comments

Carrasco was playing very well in preseason and received a lot of praise from Sigi and others. Tetteh played well in the preseason but was making some rookie mistakes like getting trapped in the corner rather than making a sharp pass. Often times it’s the little decisions or passes not made that really distinguishes a veteran player.

by Dizzo on Mar 21, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

The feel i got from the coaches comments was that Tetteh’s potential is huge and he has great moments, but also some kinda terrible ones. Carrasco was made out to be consistent and smart with the ball. Much less was said about his upside, but that also matters a lot less right now.

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by Little old me on Mar 21, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

GA contract

Of course he got signed before Carrasco, he got signed before he was drafted…

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by Little old me on Mar 21, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do we want

Is exactly the right question. I’m pretty sure you and I agree on much more than we disagree, but I think it is extremely important to take note of how much more active in the defense Fernandez is than Sana was, and to an even larger extent how much more active Friberg was in getting back than Zak is.

Against lesser teams, especially those with less potent attacks I am all about playing more attacking players higher up the pitch. However against NY, I would bet good money that Sigi (for better or worse) asked his outside midfielders to track well back. I think this was probably a good call considering the potential disaster that was our left flank.

In any case this did a couple things:

1) It gave no immediate support to our strikers (or any quick players once they subbed on), and thus
2) Required the ball to be held up in order for play to develop

NY and LA are good, and we have played short-handed. I think our tactics have been sound and players have generally played well in all but the attacking third. But you are right, without adding the pressure of having to deal with an effective dribbler, our attack just isn’t dynamic enough to cause serious problems.

The only other (slight) issue I have with the contention that we need more “playing with our legs” from out wide is what we have seen in terms of buildup down our left flank with Zak in the lineup against Portland, Colorado, and LA. It simply hasn’t happened.
The hole created behind Zak is enormous and he has proven very hesitant to drop very deep to receive the ball.

And so we saw 90% of our play develop on our less dangerous, right, side. That is not a recipe for success and is an issue that needs to be resolved if we are to take full advantage of Zak’s talent.

So I guess what I’m saying is the answer is more complicated that putting our quicks up front and telling them to run. Not that I think you believe its all that simple either.

If we are going to play fast high wingers who love to run at defenses we will have to figure out how to play better defense with less support- particularly on the left-, build up play more effectively through the center of the pitch, and figure out who (and how) to get on the end of a cross.

None of those seem simple tasks.

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by Little old me on Mar 21, 2011 7:05 PM PDT reply actions  

I think...

you should start writing for this site… you could probably take my job ;-)

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Mar 21, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't go that far

Though at this point I’m writing feature lengthed comments.

’Spose I should scale down.

And by NO MEANS, do I want you to stop writing. I very much have enjoyed your pieces.

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by Little old me on Mar 22, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's not wing play. It's Nate Jaqua that's missing.

How long is this guy out for? I ‘m not hearing much said about him lately, but if we all can remember what he did for our team in 2009, it was something very special. Nate and Freddy were a fantastic team. They clicked together. They were the Starsky and Hutch, the Duke Boys, Batman and Robin of the MLS. I’m serious. Nate Jaqua is the missing piece to our success. Nate lures double teams. He is big, strong, elusive, and very intelligent. He makes everyone play smarter. We need this guy back badly. Also, with Zakuani coming back we are going to be better, but O’Brian needs to sit on the bench when Jaqua gets well. I also liked Servando in the center with Ozzie. I like Levesque over Fernandez any day. When Nate Jaqua gets better, when ever that will be, he is the missing piece to our success. GUARANTEED!

by Pauly "Pablo" Morris on Mar 21, 2011 7:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I agreed with you about Jaqua

I think he’s our best option when we are all healthy. As far as who’s in the center depends on who’s on the wings. With speedy wings making deep runs we may need that center mids who help out on defense more.

I did like what I saw of Carrasco as far as distribution goes, so that may work. But if we play more of a holding style in the midfield with slower attacks someone who’s more attack minded, like Friberg, is best. Personally I think this is why Sigi likes Brad Evans so much, he can fit into both situations.

And as far as Levesque over Fernandez? No way. I like Roger, but he shouldn’t be starting at RM over Fernandez. If you noticed on the last two games we completely fell apart attackwise when Flaco was subbed off. It just became ugly. Slow play or not Flaco is the man on the right for now.

by Rockerbaugh on Mar 21, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want to agree

But I have trouble believing that Jaqua is the solution to our N’Kufo problem, when it was indeed N’Kufo that was supposed to be the solution to our Jaqua problem.

I’ll give the FO another years worth of Season ticket money right now if they can pull the trigger on Drogba/Ballack/Forlan.

Just sayin.

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by Little old me on Mar 21, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

was Nkufo really the solution to the Jaqua problem?

I just thought Nkufo was all a part of Hanauer’s continuous, global search to get better we’ve heard so much about.

Now, Jaqua not being healthy… that IS a problem…

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by malcontentjake on Mar 21, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure

I ever agreed that Nkufo was the solution or that Jaqua was a problem. But that seemed to be the general consensus.

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by Little old me on Mar 22, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Consensus was wrong if true

Jaqua wasn’t the problem

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by Dave Clark on Mar 22, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The team needs three target forwards

The problem was that Jaqua was out for long lengths of time last season and is out to start this season. I’m of the opinion that this team needs three target forwards. To compete in all the competitions we’re in…at least two of them need to be starting caliber. So, it’s not Jaqua or Nkufo. It’s that we needed both this year.

by Dizzo on Mar 22, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why are we not capable of doing this?

Back 4: Leo Hurtado Parke Riley
Mid: Zak, Friberg, Ozzy, Flaco, Rosales/Montano
Forward: Montero

Is there any reason we can not do this until Jaqua can start?
With Ozzy in front of the Center backs then Friberg and Flaco in front of him and Zak and either Rosales or Montano pushed a bit higher on the outside wings.

I know Montero is supposed to be better when he drops back behind someone. But other than that, why not?

by fcjake on Mar 21, 2011 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

so that's the 4-5-1/4-3-3...

with the “V” shape in the middle…

I have my obvious doubts, as Montero was not at his best as a center/top forward last year. It’s probably not time to re-tool YET but I’ve heard worse ideas…

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by malcontentjake on Mar 21, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of those 5 mid's, some of them also have played at forward I believe.

Didn’t Zak play forward in college? I thought Rosales has been listed as Forward/Wing.

by soundersfcfanboy on Mar 22, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

There is no requirement that a certain number of players play forward

plenty of teams play with a single forward.

One could argue that Seattle did against New York

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by Dave Clark on Mar 22, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

it certainly appeared to me to be ‘4-2-3-1’ or ‘4-4-1-1’ when we were in possession, but we were in ‘4-4-2’ when NY possessed the ball.

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by Gene Um on Mar 22, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rosales

I honestly wonder how well he might be able to play up top

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by Little old me on Mar 22, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've thought about this as well

If Montero didn’t struggle so much as center-forward last season, I’d be very curious to see the Sounders play in this shape. A three-man central midfield with of Flaco, Friberg, and Ozzie (in front the center-backs) is a very intriguing idea. Zakuani has already proved to be a goal-scorer so he could provide goals from a wide position. Not sure if Rosales or Montano can, but Fucito might be able to when he returns.

Having said that, this is a completely different tactical philosophy and something that Sigi wouldn’t likely implement in the middle of the season…. unless things go horribly wrong in the first month or two. In addition, we’ve all witnessed that Montero is much more effective and better utilized playing in a withdrawn role. However, this shape might be worth seeing at some point if the season goes horribly wrong and if Montero’s game has matured… possibly in a “false 9” role (e.g Tevez, Messi, Van Persie). He could still come deep for the ball, drag center-backs out of position, and create space behind him for Zak and others to run onto. Not likely to happen but definitely an interesting idea and something to think about.

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by Gene Um on Mar 22, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Re: Montero at center/top forward

If Montero could consistently get service at his feet, I think he could be relatively successful there, but even though he’s pretty good at holding the ball up, given his size, I think he’d wear down over the course of the season, and it seemed as though too often the team tried to play over-the-top to Montero, and he’s just not going to win headers against most MLS centerbacks.

by ubelmann on Mar 22, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I still think this is an intriguing idea

If Montero were to lead the attacking line in a ‘4-3-3/4-5-1’ hybrid, perhaps he could limit the physical punishment he would take by playing in a “false-9” role… it suits his natural strengths and instincts anyway by coming deep for the ball. For those of you who have watched Carlos Tevez, Lio Messi, and Robin Van Persie this season in Europe… this is the role I’m curious to see if Montero could play in. If we kept the ball on the carpet more, focused our attack on creating space through movement, and used the vision and range of passing from Flaco and Friberg, I think it could possibly work. It again could limit the punishment that Montero would take.

Anyway, this is all very theoretical and it’s uncertain how it would work or unlikely to happen. Again, if the season implodes though, I would like to see if it would work. In my opinion, there’s no point in rocking the boat after 2 games though.

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by Gene Um on Mar 22, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it's important to remember that, despite not scoring, chances were created.

Both keepers the Sounders have faced made some incredible saves and a few other chances in each game went inches wide or high. If the Sounders can produce chances like that consistently, they’re not going to continue putting up zeroes.

Now, that doesn’t mean the team shouldn’t be looking to upgrade at the target forward position. But I think you’re right in that it’s far too early to make drastic systemic changes because while the attack hasn’t produced goals it’s been far from anemic.

by Aaron Campeau on Mar 22, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't call them incredible saves.

I would still call them busted opportunities. Yes, they were reactionary saves, but they were made where the shooter had multiple options for where to place the shot and instead hit it straight at or very near the keeper.

I think I’m just picking a fight though, since I agree with everything else. An adjustment in formation isnt going to correct for a lack of finishing prowess, which is the real issue here.

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by Seattle Coug on Mar 22, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you'd call them...

Saunders and Sutton each made at least one save that they probably won’t make against this year and several other very good ones.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 22, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd call them fortunate/lucky/something like that,

Though I can’t argue that they made other quality saves. Saunders is considered a quality MLS-level keeper, not a typical backup, so I’d expect a performance of somewhere around that level. Again, the saves were only possible because of where the strike was placed, and other placements with higher percentages for completion looked to be available.

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by Seattle Coug on Mar 22, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is a VERY common in Europe

Barca does it with Messi as a “false 9” and wingers who actually end up being the highest players in the formation much of the time, Busquest as CDM, and Iniesta and Xavi as CM’s.

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by malcontentjake on Mar 22, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought we saw Montero as the top man last year

Montero spent a good part of the early season getting destoryed by more physical central defenders. Nkufo showed up and Montero went on a month long scoring frenzy.

Until Montero learns to move without the ball, letting him stand up top and get beat up is a poor tactical option.

by blakec on Mar 22, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

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