Robbie Rogers Wants Out of Columbus - Why Seattle Makes Sense
According to Steven Goff (Washington Post) Robbie Rogers wants to leave the Columbus Crew and has submitted a list of preferred teams. Figuring out that list of teams while impossible to be fully accurate there are some assumptions that could be made.
- Los Angeles Galaxy - He's California guy in his youth, and they are a pretty good team.
- New York Red Bulls - Big city, big team, good way to get in front of more scouts in his final year of contract.
- Portland Timbers or Vancouver Whitecaps - clean slate with teams, but highly passionate fans.
- Seattle Sounders - He won the double with Sigi Schmid, and was a Best XI player in 2010 as well.
While, BigDSoccer makes the case for Rogers to go to FC Dallas, would that raise his profile enough for that next contract? A marginal United States National Team talent at age 23 could get a good deal with exposure. Dallas traditionally doesn't mean exposure.
Seattle though fits that mold. Seattle is exposure, and even better Sigi Schmid clearly understands how to make Rogers tick. The left footer had a great 2008 under Sigi mainly as a Left Midfielder (80%), but sometimes on the Right(20%).
And that's a bit of the crux. Seattle certainly doesn't need a Left Mid. In many eyes it doesn't need a Right Mid. Alvaro Fernandez and Mauro Rosales are both there. But, neither has been as effective in MLS, nor are as young, as Rogers. Both might wind up better, with playing time.
Now Seattle could fit Rogers into the starting lineup by shifting Flaco to the center, thereby playing with two inverted wingers with Steve Zakuani on left and Robbie Rogers on the right. One could make the case that Alvaro is a kind of central midfielder in ways like Brad Evans. Tactical in nature first, a passer with good dribbling skills, except better than Evans at all of those. Also, like Evans he can play centrally or wide.
This idea shifts the depth chart quite a bit. First teamers get bumped to second team. Erik Friberg could be seen as shifting to the CM role as a second teamer, with Evans as his partner in non-League play, an idea that intrigued Sigi during late pre-season. Also on the second team would be #TheTrialist and one of Lamar Neagle and Migueal Montano. That's a decent set of midfielders for a second team.
In MLS trade value is very hard to establish. There are so many options - players, allocation dollars, allocation ranking, and draft picks can all be swapped. Whether Adrian Hanauer can figure out how to pull the trigger, he should explore it.
Rogers in 80 MLS matches at age 23 and younger has 12 goals and 10 "pure" assists. In his time with the US MNT he has 10 appearances with a goal and an assist, and in non-League play he has 11 matches with 2 goals, both in CONCACAF Champions League play. In all, we're talking about a very young American player with a 0.39 PP90 wide player who can assist or score.
When talent is available a GM should explore they way to fit it in, particularly when they are young and capable of improving. He fits Seattle's mold.
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Last year
Rogers made $115,000 guaranteed according to this report.
by MMAWrestling on Mar 23, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too fast!
With any trade making the cap fit shouldn’t be too tough.
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Comparable Salaries
Noonan – $96,000
Rogers – $115,000
by MMAWrestling on Mar 23, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
i would like this trade. and would welcome rogers any day.
especially since him coming would be the end of noonan.
i can see him wanting to come to seattle to be with sigi.
There is little reason to think that Noonan would be involved
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yeah not with the trade to columbus but for the team in general
his option is coming up and one can only think that if rogers came then it would make the chances of noonan’s option getting picked lower
I would be in full support
Between MLS, CCL, Open Cup and injuries there will be plenty of playing time to go around. We would be able to rotate some players between games which has worked very well for RSL.
by Dizzo on Mar 23, 2011 6:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hm.
I don’t love the idea of Friberg becoming a 2nd-teamer. I think he’s too talented for that.
And since we just signed Rosales, it hardly makes sense for him not to play.
I haven’t been shy about stating my displeasure with Fernandez, so I wouldn’t mind seeing him sit.
Options: Zakuani, Friberg/Evans, Rosales, Fernandez/Rogers
That means no Alonso?
That’s down right silly
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So...
Zakuani, Friberg/Evans, Alonso, Rosales/Fernandez/Rogers
Adding Rogers would enhance an already crazy-talented midfield.
I just don’t see it.
by nickj116 on Mar 23, 2011 7:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rosales
I think there is still the idea that Rosales is coming in as depth. The first reports were that he didn’t pass a physical in Mexico. Turns out from the interview in the Times that it was a lie to the fans, because he declined the contract. Declining to wait until June to play, because they signed too many international players. Normally, a player like this would not be coming to us without big money. He was just starting at River Plate last year. We don’t need another midfielder. Rogers would just add congestion.
Fringe Argentine national at 30 with less speed
compared to Fringe American National at 23 with a ton of speed
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Veteran with big game confidence and skill
compared to 23 year old with a ton of speed to add to all the other under 25 year olds, with no leadership and shaky confidence.
You know who has a ton of big game experience and skill?
George Best. We should sign that guy up. Plus he’s a target forward!
by Aaron Campeau on Mar 23, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A Little Bit Different
from a player that started multiple years at Ajax and then River Plate. One who was going to sign for a 1st division Mexican club as-well. Also, he is only 30. I didn’t say veteran 40 year old. If the Sounders had of announced this signing as a free transfer from River Plate, we all would have been excited by the scouting ability of the team.
Confidence
does not come from other players. If you are relying on someone else to make you feel good about your game then you need to find a new profession.
To chime in with my opinion
I agree with Camnehem that Mauro has an excellent pedigree, and is only 30 years old. Additionally, if we play him in the middle, his speed won’t be as critical as other skills. I’d take a central midfielder with touch and playmaking capabilities over one with speed and lesser skill in the aforementioned attributes.
Not saying Rogers isn’t worth chasing, and I’d support Adrian if he wants to do so, but I am very excited to see what Mauro brings to the table, having played at Ajax and River Plate.
In short, I think you both make good points, but I’d like to see more from Mauro.
by scottykimberly on Mar 23, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a couple years removed from being a starter
Last time he started as many as 10 games was 2009. He’s scored six goals since 2006. I think that’s why we think he’s a depth player.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Mar 23, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent Point
I am fine with him as a depth player. Obviously I don’t know a ton about him. But I’m not discounting him because he is 30, or because he might not have the speed of other players. That’s all I was saying. From his pedigree, I’d like to see what he does with a start in the middle with Ozzie.
by scottykimberly on Mar 23, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Left footed?
I always thought Rogers was a left footed player, but he took his PK against DC last weekend with his right. If he is left footed i think he would be perfect for that other inverted wing position like you said. Except i’d have to adjust my fantasy team as him switching would give me 4 sounders! :)
I Don't Like This Idea
Our needs are at TF and fullback; Rogers does nothing to fill the N’Kufo hole or make OBW stop missing sitters. Nor does he provide depth at either wingback spot. These are our weaknesses. We have at least eight MLS quality MF players and adding another to the mix seems pointless.
I don’t like this, even if it meant we could trade Noonan.
by _zorbthegeek on Mar 23, 2011 7:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I've asked this before, but what specific sitters did OBW miss?
that weren’t essentially in the hands of the keeper already?
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RBNY 24th Minute
Don’t quote me down to the exact minute (I am eating pho w/the wife, not at home) but that muffed shot was ridiculous. I hope others can chime in. I am not writing off OBW, I just don’t think he is a championship caliber TF.
by _zorbthegeek on Mar 23, 2011 7:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup
That one was PAINFUL. Instead of one-touching he tried to possess, and BIT IT. The ball skipped to the right and he lost possession.
Of course, this is assuming that we are thinking of the same miss… OUCH.
by scottykimberly on Mar 23, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll Give You...
The one in the keepers hands after the Montero shot. I think he might have had a clear shot at it, but the keeper gobbled it up pretty quickly. But the RBNY one (mentioned by zorb) was devastating.
by scottykimberly on Mar 23, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The LA Game
About 14 out. Took a horrendous touch and couldn’t get the ball out from under his foot, leading to no shot at all when it should have been a first timer opposite post.
I am pretty sure that Adrian Hanauer can in fact walk and chew gum at the same time.
Tunnel vision is a bad, bad, franchise crippling thing.
by Aaron Campeau on Mar 23, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Tunnel Vision? You mean Sigi's?
Tunnel vision is agreeing to part with a proven goal scorer (I’ll keep hammering this until N’Kufo is replaced: 5 goals in 11 games) because of the rigidity of the coach and his offensive scheme. Target forward is a clear need; if Jaqua was the answer they wouldn’t have brought Blaise in to begin with.
I said TF first and wingbacks second—that’s not tunnel vision—it’s addressing our biggest, results (or lack thereof) driven needs first.
by _zorbthegeek on Mar 23, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes available players trump needs
if you can upgrade at a position of strength, you still do it. Because you take the talent you can get, rather than shoot for talent you can’t find.
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I agree with that...
…But is he really an upgrade over Evans, Frieberg, Fernandez and #thetrialist (my answer: ever so slight, push, no, too soon to tell)? Unless, we are trading one of them away the deal doesn’t make sense to me. Zak and Alonso are entrenched, so really we are talking about the four above (and now possibly Rogers) competing for two positions and PT on a 28-30 man roster. And that’s not even counting Carrasco, Montano, Nagle, Tetteh and The Stache.
Because of injury we are one OBW incident from seeing Noonan starting—that scares me.
by _zorbthegeek on Mar 23, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright, I'll settle this...
JUST SIGN OCHOCINCO!
by scottykimberly on Mar 23, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw rumblings
about Mike Williams on twitter today. Though I’d favor seeing Aaron Curry play CDM/Enforcer!
Pure joke
the biggest problem being that any NFL player trying for Sounders would be a lockout violation.
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I actually don't mind the OchoCinco trial
Yes, the man is a complete media-whore, but he is also a lifelong soccer fan. He has visited Real Madrid and other European clubs, and always speaks of soccer with respect.
That kind of media attention can never be bad. Even if Ocho fails to make the team (likely), he will have been all over ESPN talking about how hard the sport is, how much he respects the speed of play in the MLS, and how much he appreciated the courtesy from Sporting KC.
I see it as a win for the league.
by scottykimberly on Mar 23, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't change that Sigi was joking
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Oh I know
I was just commenting on the OchoCinco trial.
by scottykimberly on Mar 24, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever you do, don't put Aaron Curry at forward.
There would be a dozen offside calls against him every game.
Any chance Robbie can play up front?
I know he excelled as a left mid with Sigi in Columbus, but does he have the talents to fill our needs up front?
If we are bringing him in as a MF, I don’t like the move. I think we have a ton of talent in MF, and I think we can find a cohesive four to play with (I’d like Zak-Mauro-Ozzie-Flaco, but I think Evans should get a shot too).
Just my opinion. Any thoughts/knowledge on his possibility as a forward? I know he has the speed to burn.
doesn't rosales and levesque play up front?
essentially to me signing rogers would mean him and zak as wings, alonso and fernandez as center and evans and friberg as backup/injury/second team center.
A sky of blue, a sea of green...(or claret)
by kelliott1527 on Mar 23, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
What about LB?
The other possibility would be to put Rogers at LB part of the time – he’s younger, faster and has a better cross than Leo, can get up in attack, and has played there sparingly for the Nats.
It’d be a work in progress for sure, but if we got him (which I doubt) and if we have the rest of our contingent of MFs healthly (please??), then that’d be another option to get a talented player on the pitch.
Brad Evans
Everything you just said can be applied to Brad Evans, except Bradley played him at RB.
by _zorbthegeek on Mar 24, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
You know who else is being shopped around?
DeRo. He can score in this league. He wants a DP spot. We have a DP spot.
Can he coexist with Fredy?
Nos Audietis
Doubtful.
Is there a team that plays with just one offensive player?
I doubt
it too. To me imo he doesn’t deserve the DP spot especially after what he did on the field last year.
I would LOVE to see DeRo in a Sounders' uniform
He’s a speedy winger-type, right? I actuall haven’t seen him play much; I just know he’s an outside midfielder and scored a ton of goals.
He's more Landon like
in that he can play wide right and left, or inside and underneath.
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