Should Seattle Have Pushed Hard to Acquire De Rosario From Toronto FC?
Whether Seattle was one of the teams that Toronto was talking to or not, we do know now what the price for Dwayne De Rosario was. The amazing talent, probably the only one who could challenge Landon Donovan for best in MLS over a significant period of time, was dealt for Toni Tchani, Danleigh Borman and next year's first round pick.
Tchani is only in his 2nd season, but is a solid talent with upside. He has 18 starts in 29 appearances for New York Red Bulls. Borman has 35 starts in 59 appearances in his two+ seasons with Red Bull. Neither is lighting up the stat sheet, but in all the New York club gave up two not-quite starters in their pre-peak, plus a likely starter in their next draft pick. And of course they used their third DP slot. The move takes up enough cap space to prevent a 3rd DP from being signed.
For Seattle this kind of deal might have meant someone like a Patrick Ianni, Brad Evans and the draft pick - if not MORE. It would have ripped up the depth of the team, but added high-end talent. In essence 3 starters for one Best XI. Generally, that's a good deal for the team getting the best player.
Unless you already have a great player with the similar style and role to the man being acquired.
For Seattle, and Los Angeles Galaxy DeRo is redundant. Fredy Montero and Donovan are that type of player. In the Sounders case, with those changes they would now be counting on newcomer Erik Friberg in nearly 100% of their 50+ matches. They would still have Alvaro Fernandez on the bench, and the band of three would be a potent Steve Zakuani, Montero, DeRo.
The splash would have been great. Seattle would have three players capable of a double-double on the season. That third potent attacking player would prevent many of the techniques being used to stifle the current two prong attack.
It would also shift Seattle from being a constantly good team by structure to one that goes into a win-now roster churn mode. Both philosophies work, both can win titles. The structure that New York is committed to is one that will have to involve snagging 4-8 starters every single off-season and hoping that they can figure out how to work together. The structure that Seattle and Real Salt Lake have taken of low churn involves constant development from within while bringing in 1-3 starting quality players every season.
A move for DeRo would have been a great move for a one season run at the Supporters Shield and MLS Cup. The low churn model is instead designed for success in the US Open Cup, CONCACAF Champions League and runs in the Playoffs.
DeRo would have been nice, but it wouldn't have been consistent with Seattle's aspirations.
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Correct me if something has changed here, but De Ro is not a DP
I believe the fact that he wasn’t making DP money in Toronto was one of the things he was upset about
My understanding is that he is going to be a DP in New York
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I hadn't seen that yet
Interesting, although the move used up all their cap space anyway
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 2, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
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As a new york blogger is pointing out that he did NOT get a raise.
So it would block a 3rd DP, rather than make him one..
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For now
If they try to add another DP midseason they don’t have the same hit against the cap. They should be able to free up enough space for the 167,000 cap hit mid season if they have something lined up, although they may be giving away some decent players to do so.
by Stephen Schmidt on Apr 2, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
That's true for ANY player added midseason
no player counts towards the cap for more than they are getting paid.
So right now Seattle has room for a DP + another good talent.
Adding DeRo would eliminate that without Seattle losing even more talent
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DeRo's salary for 2010
was reportedly $375,000, but his guaranteed compensation was $443,750. I can’t remember which number counts towards the cap. What’s the hit for a DP, $335K or $350K? I would think if NY is as tight to the limit as they should be, they may as well make DeRo their third DP. Unless he’s making less than last year, which I find hard to believe when he celebrates goals by demanding more money.
Learned this recently about DP
Apparently a player is a DP only if he makes $75k more than the top cap hit, so in this case that would be $410k. That leads me to believe, it’s the base salary that counts as your cap h
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 2, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
NY wants him? Fine.
I realize we have’t seen much of him yet, and I know there’s a different in position/skill, but… isn’t it nice how it seems like Rosales WANTS to be on this team? I don’t think Seattle needs to give up depth/talent for a flashy guy who, despite his upside, might cause chemistry/locker room issues. Let’s get someone to fill Nkufo’s spot who wants to be here and, better, play with this group.
Just not convinced there’s THAT much of a gap between the better teams in this league. And if there is, RSL is showing it. And, as mentioned above, Seattle is using a model much more like theirs than NYRB.
Postives and negatives
Positives: great player, one of the best – if not the best – finishers in the league (which we definitely need)
Negatives: head case/bad locker room guy, might have problems slotting into the system as is
Overall – so glad we didn’t go after him. We do need to stop the DP merry-go-round/bad luck for the Sounders, but I’m not sure this would be the way to do it.
by Nevtelen on Apr 2, 2011 12:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He is good, but...
I would HATE to have to cheer (and obviously we would, and would mean it) when he does his stupid chicken-dance after getting a goal!
by Sobchak on Apr 2, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
This is a team built on structure
and playing within the system. I’ve never gotten the impression from watching DeRo thats really something he can do. NJED should be a good place for him, he’s going to be allowed to play fast and loose.
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