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Steve Zakuani Injury Forces Lineup Shift

HARRISON, NJ - MARCH 19: Joel Lindpere #20 of the New York Red Bulls battles against Alvaro Fernandez #15 of the Seattle Sounders FC during the game at Red Bull Arena on March 19, 2011 in Harrison, New Jersey. (Photo by Andy Marlin/Getty Images)

Friday evenings double fracture to Steve Zakuani's leg left the Sounders community with a huge loss. His presence is defined as much on the field as off, and as in most major injuries the first priority must be on the injured man, not the team. The 1-0 win felt much more like a loss, but as the loss of Nkufo, this is now a fact. Surgery was successful, a tribute is being planned and now there is a game Saturday and the lineup will be forced to shift.

Sigi Schmid has two layers of options. First, does he want a lineup and tactics that are as similar as possible to how it was with Zakuani with a speed guy with technical ability and offense as their strength, or does he go with the most talented player with maybe some more defensive nature, slower whose success comes from footwork and passing.

Speed Option

This would be the easiest for the rest of the team, as they can pass and position themselves in ways similar to how they do with Zakuani on the pitch. It would also mean that the fastest player on the team is not the target forward. There are three options on this list all younger, but one stands out from the rest.

Mike Fucito - Fucito, Zakuani and White were clearly the preseason fastest players. Get any of them chasing a long ball and they will blaze right by the defense. Zakuani can use his burst and footwork to create his own shot or pass, and Fucito's experience at left midfield both in college and in 2009 as Zakuani's cover in practice shows that he can do similarly crossing the ball onto head or at the feet. While Fucito has also had success in CCL play as a proxy for Fredy Montero, his origins with the team are as a wide player. Using Fucito here would also keep a significant offensive threat on the pitch, something that Seattle will need to discover without Zakuani. Fucito also offers service on set-plays unlike most on the team, being the primary kick taker when he's on the pitch.

More options and a poll after the jump

Star-divide

David Estrada - Estrada is another collegiate forward who has played more as a wide player in Seattle. Not as fast as the other players listed here, he is still someone who is similar in that he uses speed to create space. His lack of first team experience is probably why he won't make the short list of Sigi and company's options.

Michael Tetteh - The young, future left back has experience playing both as a defender and a midfielder with Seattle, and using him now as Zakuani's temporary replacement would likely delay his learning curve to become the left back of the future, but Seattle may already have a plan for that anyway.

Technical Options

There may be better soccer players here, but it would be a significant tactical change. Seattle's backline could not use the long ball to dump it to a running wide player, but instead use a more methodical, patient build-up hoping to create space through dribbling skills and quick passes. The Sounders may have a slightly greater defensive posture, as the left midfielder would not be in attack as often.

Alvaro Fernandez - The writers here love El Flaco's skills, if a little frustrated by his usage pattern by Sigi. The Designated Player now seems to be back in favor and was the replacement at Colorado on Friday evening. This would also mean that Seattle's attack is dominated by South Americans in the band of 3.

Erik Friberg - He offers nifty passing, if sometimes a bit risky as he's seeing things that his teammates are not at this time.  The Swede serves some of the best dead balls on the team, particularly long balls into the box. Still a bit lacking on defense on the team, like Fernandez he struggles a bit with the physical nature of MLS.

Miguel Montano - The young Colombian has dribbling skills that could make a juggling video. During his limited opportunities for play, we saw a unique partnership between he and Montero with little sombrero passes and back heels. The rawest of the talents that could be considered, it would be a surprise move to see him in the starting lineup, but he should get a few more shots in the 18 and on the pitch.

Shifting Rosales

If Sigi shifts Mauro Rosales, Seattle has a few options in Lamar Neagle and Roger Levesque as well. This is unlikely to be seen in the starting lineup but bringing on Neagle late would boost the offense, while a late Levesque sub adds to the defensive posture.

Personal preference

It should come as no surprise that my preference is clear for Fucito to get the start against Toronto. His speed, nose for goal and ability to serve the ball in a set-play improve three areas where Seattle would be lacking without him. The advantage of his play being both at a high level, and similar in ways to Zakuani make it easier on the rest of the team to adapt. Now healthy, this would be the opportunity for Sigi to show why a fringe player in 2010 was protetcted in the expansion draft and take those shots and convert them to goals.

Poll
Who do you want to see start this weekend against Toronto FC?
Mike Fucito
197 votes
Alvaro Fernandez
190 votes
David Estrada
5 votes
Erik Friberg
51 votes
Michael Tetteh
11 votes
Miguel Montano
48 votes
Other (seriously, you have to tell us)
6 votes

508 votes | Poll has closed

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So I think that I’d definitely like to see Fucito out there for the start at some point, but I’d be a little hesitant to bring him on for a start as his first action after injury. What I think would be more beneficial would be starting El Flaco and then bringing Fucito in as the defense is starting to tire. I’d honestly be happy with either of those options.

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by Perrinbar on Apr 25, 2011 8:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree

Fucito needs to work his way back to full game fitness. I voted for Fernandez to start, but I would like to see Fucito come on as the first option off the bench.

by Dizzo on Apr 25, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Some quick thoughts

- I voted for Fucito and then quickly realized I wouldn’t want him starting till he’s fully fit. I should’ve voted for Fernandez

- Zakuani is fast and Fernandez is slow, but Fernandez’ footwork will be a great asset at least

- That said, ultimately I want to see Fucito in this position to see what he can do

- I do not want Estrada in there at all. I don’t have faith in this guy yet. Every time I’ve seen him play he seems lost.

- I can’t wait to see what Tetteh can do for us

- Montano would be a good late game sub. He seems to lack vision though

- I like Friberg still, but his giveaways are really overshadowing his good plays.

by chrisperry1983 on Apr 25, 2011 8:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Given the scoring struggles...

…I think roll the dice with Fucito starting. The preserves some of the attack that finally seems to be producing and Flaco has been a solid sub.

Let’s bear in mind that this is not a short-term situation. Starting Flaco, shifting Rosales… heck, starting Tetteh (later in the season after some USOC/CCL games) are more likely with some experimentation in training.

For now, especially playing at home on Saturday, I think Sigi should start with the best-fit approach and work on other possibilities for the weeks and months ahead.

by jayw913 on Apr 25, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep I totally agree

I think Flaco will be a good fit on that side, and a 60th minute sub of Fucito would be a one-two punch on a tiring defense. I think we have some decent options moving forward, but I’m hoping and praying Zakuani heals quickly and gets back in the game as fast as possible.

by chrisperry1983 on Apr 25, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I feel pretty much the same as everyone else so far

I think Toronto’s D has a glass jaw and Fucito was smack it a good one, but I’d rather he come in around the 60th min or so since this is his first game back. We do NOT want him to get injured again. Without Zak, we will certainly need all the goals he can give us this season.

I don’t know how much Fernandez has played on the left, but hopefully some. I’d like to see him there this coming week. I’m not sure who would be better in the long run. It’s interesting to hear that Fucito played the left in college – I didn’t know that. That certainly makes him a front runner for the position.

I doubt Montano starts, but I’d be surprised to not see him in the 18 with some kind of regularity now.

by Nevtelen on Apr 25, 2011 9:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Fucito played left for some of college

one or two years. The rest as a forward.

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by Dave Clark on Apr 25, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

After reading S@H the past few days

I feel better about our left wing options. No one can replace Zakuani, but I feel a little less lost right now. Thanks S@H!

by ABTsportsline on Apr 25, 2011 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Sigi didn't mention Fucito in his presser

When asked about his left wing options. He lists Fernandez, Friberg, Neagle, Tetteh, and Montano – in that order. He said Tetteh has been playing well as a left winger, Montano “needs to get sharper in practice”. Sigi spoke highly of Neagle from his time in the reserve games.

Read here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/soundersfcblog/2014873496_sigi_schmid_discusses_several.html

If this is already posted somewhere else below, I apologize in advance.

by ABTsportsline on Apr 25, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sigi is a cagey dude though. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least for him to avoid mentioning Fucito for a tactical advantage.

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by Perrinbar on Apr 25, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to make the case for his starting, but ...

David Estrada has been great in training lately. One of the more consistent scorers, from what I’ve seen, during drills.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 25, 2011 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd Prefer Fucito

No offense to Fernandez, but slotting him in at LM would simply bring too much of a tactics change for our offense that just seemed to be putting it in gear. With Fucito, sure you lose some skill, but because he plays similar to Zakuani it won’t force us to change our tactics as much. Plus Fucito has shown he can score when he is in the game, something we really need. Back to the Fernandez point, I feel as if our offense would struggle in the short term to benefit in the long term. I don’t know if we can afford to keep losing results early in the year..

by Rodey on Apr 25, 2011 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

It would be unfortunate to lose results in the short term...

…but I think Flaco for 60 minutes and Fucito for 30 is basically going to be as good as Fucito for 60 and Flaco for 30, and Fucito’s long-term health is more important to the club today than it was last Thursday. All players are probably at their greatest risk for injury when they get tired, and Fucito hasn’t had much of a chance to work himself into shape yet.

Also, tactically, I don’t like starting a player who can’t go 90, and I think it’s safe to say that Fucito shouldn’t go 90 just yet. Starting Flaco gives Sigi more flexibility to manage to the scoreline.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's better to have a 90 min fit guy

You never want to be forced to sub someone out because of fitness. Seattle might go to an early lead want to sub in defensive players. Or, God forbid, injuries could force Sigi to use subs. It’s much better to have all 11 players who can go 90+ minutes.

by Dizzo on Apr 25, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is tough

I completely agree that the stop-gap would be Fucito as he provides the closest speed that Zakuani did. However this quote:

There may be better soccer players here, but it would be a significant tactical change. Seattle’s backline could not use the long ball to dump it to a running wide player, but instead use a more methodical, patient build-up hoping to create space through dribbling skills and quick passes.

Makes me want to see Fernandez more because our long ball has been useless, and if you re-watch the COL. game (why anyone would I don’t know) but there was a couple times that we actually did move the ball slowly up and it worked very well, but that quickly stopped after a couple times.

I have to go with Fernandez as the starter. We don’t need another injury which is the first reason I hesitate with Fucito, as well as I think the change in play would benefit us in the long run.

by Dan Olson on Apr 25, 2011 9:50 AM PDT reply actions  

It's going to be tough to draw many conclusions from the Colorado game...

…with the elevation, the injury situation, and playing a man up. To a large degree, I think the team kind of packed it in after they got their goal and were happy to just stay a man up and keep Colorado from getting to dangerous positions.

I think a better situation to look at is the end of the Philly game, though that one is also a bit odd with the weather conditions. When Flaco came on, the Sounders were way more patient in working the ball up the field through short passes than I’ve generally seen them when they are chasing a goal at the end of a game. They were probably also reluctant to resort to long passes because of the wind that day, but they were a lot more effective at linking passes with Flaco out there.

I would also say that Fernandez is a better header of the ball than Zakuani, and I think that in a typical game with Rosales at right mid, he will be providing a lot of early crosses into the box. If OBW makes a lot of his runs more towards the near post, he could potentially draw two defenders leaving Flaco open for a header on the far post, with Montero laying back at the 18 for a rebound or a pass.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fucito is the most like-for-like swap, and would probably do well.

That said, maybe he should get some minutes off the bench first.

I worry a little about Flaco’s mindstate though…would giving more time to such a less-experienced player find Flaco up in a clocktower? Friberg I’m less worried about, simply because he hasn’t been sitting on the bench as long as Flaco has.

Also, Montano is no slouch when it comes to quickness and running speed, is he? I can see why he is included in the ‘technical’ group, but I seem to remember seeing him outrun a few defenders.

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by AKSupporter on Apr 25, 2011 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Friberg should also continue to see time as a sub

It wouldn’t be out of the question to, say, start Flaco at LM and Rosales at RM, then around 60-70’ take off Rosales for Fucito, and move Flaco over to RM.

One thing that will be interesting with Flaco on the left is to see how well he gets along with Gonzalez behind him. Comparing Riley and Gonzalez, it seems like Riley is more apt to play it up the right and try to make an overlapping run, while Gonzalez has been more apt to kick a long ball rather than play it up through Steve. I don’t know if this is by Sigi’s design or what, but at times it has left me thinking that the Sounders weren’t doing enough to get Zakuani the ball on the left. And if the pattern continues, I think that the offense is going to tend to run more through the RM than the LM.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Riley goes up more often but Gonzalez goes farther

At least that’s my impression. I get excited when Gonzalez makes those long runs because he’s proven to be dangerous on offense on occasion and we’ve got numbers on the opposing defense. When Riley goes up he seems to be supporting another player a little past the center line—short triangulating, etc. Liable to send in a cross, perhaps, but Gonzo is more likely to try to penetrate and shoot. I’m all for the occasional shot from distance from either one of them.

by asimismo on Apr 25, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

First was OBW

Second was Zakuani

Estrada, Levesque and Fucito (except in the 40, but that was a tactical decision) all did well. I don’t recall Montano getting strong mentions

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by Dave Clark on Apr 25, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

im pretty sure he was in the top 5

For the sprints. I’m on my phone but later I will go back through Josh’s blog. But I’m pretty sure in the sprints he got second.

Not the beep test though.

by Sandra_R on Apr 25, 2011 10:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

In the link it says that Fucito was the reigning champ but did not go 100%

Assuming that at full strength he is faster than Zakuani (based on the previous year’s run), the team speed list is:

Fucito
Zakuani
White
Alonso
Montano

So Fucito for Zakuani would be a good speed for speed substitution if that’s the direction the team wants to go.

by CMC_Stags on Apr 25, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fucito jogged.

I watched him run. Saying he didn’t go 100 percent would be an understatement.

by Brian Floyd on Apr 25, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Mike

but I’ve been a bit mystified why he hasn’t necessary been in the mix the past two games. I know he was injured and out for a spell, but was available the past two games. His not coming in isn’t so much a concern as the lack of any mention from Sigi as an option.

Anyway, I like him out there if he’s fit and in form (I’m assuming he is). Fernandez would likely be my second choice, but I DO wonder how much Montano might grow if he was given this opportunity.

by swansuite on Apr 25, 2011 10:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Against Philly...

…Fucito wasn’t in the 18, even though he traveled with the team, probably because having Montero and Fucito off the bench would be somewhat redundant. I would have liked to see Fucito come on against Colorado, but with the one-goal lead, I can see why Sigi went with Leo instead of Fucito. I would have maybe put Fucito on for OBW or Montero at the end instead of subbing out Flaco, but I’m getting the impression that Sigi has Fucito on the bench more for if we are looking for goals at the end of the game.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okay

now I am getting a little freaked out. In Sigi’s quotes in the Times around who could take Zak’s place, Fucito is nowhere to be found. I’m sorry, but I’m finding this very, very odd. Either he’s simply not all the way back from his injury/form loss, Sigi’s got an issue, or the other guys are just simply playing a whole lot better in practice (and are more natural wings). But to not even mention him as being in the mix is crazy, imo.

by swansuite on Apr 25, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know what's in Sigi's head

But one possibility is just that Sigi sees Fucito as a forward more than a winger, and currently sees Mike’s role as the first option at withdrawn forward for the reserve squad, and a good option off the bench.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah thats where i see him as too

i see of him more as second to montero rather then second to zakuani on the wing

by Sandra_R on Apr 25, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Passion and Intensity

This isn’t simply a question of speed or technical skills. It is a question of the intagibles that a given player brings to the pitch. Fucito plays downhill. He applies pressure and drives the play forward. Fernandez takes a more lateral approach to the game.

A lateral approach can be very effective if the overall tendency of the players is to move forward. But too many of the lateral players on the Sounders squad do not apply forward pressure in the lateral game. Fernandez and Montero also tend to be eratic in the intensity of their game. Fucito brings the same bulldog intensity to the pitch that Ozzie does. The Sounders need that intensity as much as they need speed. They need to apply pressure and Fernandez still hasn’t convinced me that he is going to bring that level of heart to the pitch minute by minute. He did great against Philly for ~15 minutes. He didn’t sustain that intensity against Colorado.

Fucito may need to be subbed due to fitness, but I still would prefer to see him start.

by Abbott Smith on Apr 25, 2011 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I would argue that no one had much, if any, intensity after the red card in Colorado

When you’re playing a man up in those kinds of situations, refs get a little trigger happy on the red cards, so you have to be careful about physical challenges, and just as a human being, after seeing someone horrifically break their leg, it’s tough to be very aggressive in that situation. I thought for Fernandez’s part, he played defense a little more tenaciously than I’ve seen in the past, so I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes AS

Good assessment of what Fucito contributes, and what the team generally lacks.

by fraygomez on Apr 25, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

i vote for fernandez

I think right now he is the best option. Also I think he has good chemistry with the rest of the front line especially with montero and rosales.

I don’t want to risk fucito’s health right now. Id rather him get 100 percent before starting.

Id also like to see montano get a chance off the bench. I think he might be the most like for like as zakuani

by Sandra_R on Apr 25, 2011 10:20 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

There is no replacement for Zakuani

Sadly, this isn’t going to be a short term replacement, so Sigi shouldn’t just slot in the most Zakuani-like player and keep the status quo. There isn’t a replacement for Zakuani’s skills in the MLS and certainly not on our roster. We will have to see a new Sounders style and I think it should include our best players with a slightly different tactic. For me, that means El Flaco on the left and fewer long balls.

by Sounder Abroad on Apr 25, 2011 10:32 AM PDT reply actions  

This is where the MLS salary cap really hurts

Their scrub takes out our all-star, and we can’t even bring in another player to replace him. I think forcing Colorado to pay Zak’s salary, and take his cap hit, until he can come back would be a far more appropriate punishment than any suspension of Mullan.

by k_dubious on Apr 25, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's over the top and completely unrealistic

You fine/suspend the player based on the action (reckless challenge) not the outcome.

by CMC_Stags on Apr 25, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So everyone

that intentionally breaks another player’s leg should only get a few games suspension?

by gstommylee on Apr 25, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just a request

Could we please not re-hash the suspension/fine situation here? There are plenty of other threads for that already.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Friberg

Voted for Friberg to get the start. Still have major problems with Alvaro being sloppy with the ball (and getting muscled off it a lot of the time). While Friberg is sometimes sloppy, he doesn’t get muscled off many balls and has great vision & energy.

Wouldn’t mind seeing Fucito out there to see what he can do.

by nickj116 on Apr 25, 2011 11:12 AM PDT reply actions  

To me it's a question who starts in the attacking roles and their overall fit as a group

If we’re running on the assumption that the rest of the Midfield and Forward slots will be Olonso (CDM), Evans (CM), Rosales (RM), Montero (WF), and White (TF), then who would work best with those?

Olonso, Evans, and Montero are the constants. White adds an additional elemant of speed at the TF role that Jaqua and Nkufo did not provide. Rosales at RM adds an attacking mentality and ability that the team received from Zakuani, though via passing and technical ability rather than speed and technique.

That being the case, it’s not clear to me that the team needs to start speed at LM as it has upgraded the speed at TF and quickness at RM (it seems like Rosales can always get seperation).

I see two priorities for how to build the starting XI:
Start the 11 players in the best form who fit into the team’s scheme
Reward performance in training and matches with continued starts and playing time

For the first, the forward and midfield roles would go to White, Montero, Rosales, Evans, Olonso, and Fernandez. Friberg has been off form the last few matches and Fucito, Estrada, and the rest have not had an opportunity to prove their ability in MLS games this year (and the reserve/Open Cup/CCL runs haven’t started in earnest yet to give them those opportunities).
For the second, I assume that Sigi and his staff who see the players train everyday are in the best position to judge their success in training. It could be that Fucito is match fit and training well, but without that knowledge, I voted for Fernandez based on his recent play.

by CMC_Stags on Apr 25, 2011 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Fucito would be more like Zak on the right side, right?

I see how the speed of Zak would make Fucito seem like a natural choice. But one of the things Zak does is play an inverted winger role, so a left footed player would not really be able to cut in like Zak does to take shots, but instead might provide better crosses. If we wanted a Zak like performance wouldn’t we want to play Fucito on the right and then Rosales on the right? That would give us two inverted winger options and get Fucito into more natural scoring positions if we were to use him.

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by reesebw on Apr 25, 2011 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Sigi seems very reluctant to play Fucito on the right

I actually know of zero instances where this has been attempted. It would please myself and jake immensley if they gave it a go.

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by Dave Clark on Apr 25, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would have agreed before we acquired Rosales

I think his crossing ability from the right is going to be a weapon, so I see less need to play Fucito on the right these days.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'd like to see ideas like this trialed in Reserve matches

Rather than in League matches where points are already short if the teams wants a shot at the SS.

I remember reading somewhere that occassionaly the team has practice sessions where all players play out of position. I would assume it’s to get a feel for player’s ability to sub or excel in other roles. The ForMidFender probably came out of these sessions.

by CMC_Stags on Apr 25, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Levesque has played multiple roles most of his career

But they do drills of a 6v6 (1 is a keeper) where sides are randomly drawn so players kind of have to do everything. Jaqua played as CB in this last time I saw it.

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by Dave Clark on Apr 25, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's funny

because we all remember Fucito speeding up the right wing to receive the throw in from Brad Evans to score that fantastic goal. Let’s hope Sigi tries him on the right at some point. Ideally a Fucito and Rosales pairing would also allow us to easily swap our wings during play if we want to play with inverted wingers cutting in or switching to traditional wingers that go wide and to the endline for better crosses.

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by reesebw on Apr 25, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm leaning Fucito over Fernandez

but one of the the three questions I’d put to Waking the Red is: Who do you NOT want to see start on the left for Seattle? Their right back situation is a bit of a hash right now and I wonder what will cause more problems, speed or technical ability?

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by 108Ultra on Apr 25, 2011 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

What would cause more problems for Toronto?

I know that answer – having an opposing team…

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by Dave Clark on Apr 25, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Personally...

…I’m a little more curious how Sturgis got buried so quickly. I realize he’s not an amazing talent, but for a team that’s struggled on D at times, it’s odd to me that he’s being left off the 18 entirely. If he can’t make the 18 for a road game (presumably where they’ll be playing conservatively) with Tchani suspended, it makes me wonder why they even dealt for him in the first place.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or why a guy who can't make a need position

on the worst team in the league was a regular starter for a playoff contender last season?

Mysteries.

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by sidereal on Apr 25, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

It wasn't a trade, but the the exchange of White and Sturgis looks like a huge positive for Seattle

I remember when Toronto fans would come over and tell us how bad White was/is. Currently, there is something wrong with the Toronto organization that is causing players to regress. I hope they get it figured out, just not this weekend.

by Coug1990 on Apr 25, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aron Winter has a huge challenge

Disfunction runs all the way through TFC. It’s finally starting to hit their fan support which is sad to see.

by Dizzo on Apr 25, 2011 2:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It sounds at least like they've got a plan now

Link.

Even more revealing than the investment in facilities and the concurrent commitment to vastly expanding their Academy system to include ever-younger teams was the presentation by TFC assistant coach Bob de Klerk.

He stepped to the whiteboard, laid out 11 player positions, marked them by number and explained the responsibilities of each one:

“With each number, with each position, they know what to do with the ball and without the ball”

They’re going to start installing their style and philosophy on teams as young as six years old. Every side in the academy will play exactly the same style. They’re not just going to be “developing players”; they’re going to teach players to fit into specific roles in the overall scheme, which will be precisely the same all the way up to the senior side.

I’m not sure if that’s the absolute best way to build an organization, but it’s at least a consistent philosophy from top to bottom. It’ll probably take a while to pay off, but it could work well.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surely that can't be as straightforward as that looks

You are not going to field an 11 player team with 6 year olds. The important thing at that age is developing technical abilities and ball control. The Ajax system I thought started with 4 aside at the youngest levels and then each year basically add 1 player to the sides until they are up to 11 players. NYT Magazine had a great article on the youth system a year or two ago.

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by reesebw on Apr 25, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

I’m sure the above quote is over-simplifying things, but I think the takeaway is that they want a consistent philosophy throughout the youth system, and they want the youth system to be a major contributor to their MLS side. It seems as though things for TFC have been a lot more haphazard than that so far.

by ubelmann on Apr 25, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

well here is sigi's answer
There are a lot of different options to look at. Certainly Fernandez, who came into the match and played in the wide position. Friberg played there when Steve couldn’t play in the game in New York. That’s another possibility. Lamar Neagle has done well in the reserve games; he’s somebody else who can play wide. Michael Tetteh is probably a better wide midfielder than he is a left back. He’s a possibility. Miguel Montano is somebody who can play there and needs to be sharper at practice on a daily basis to get himself in there. Those are our guys and we can always alter a little bit the way we play."

by Sandra_R on Apr 25, 2011 2:49 PM PDT reply actions  

haha, we posted this info at the exact same time

I noticed Fucito wasn’t mentioned as well. Either Sigi is playing coy, or he’s not really being considered.

by ABTsportsline on Apr 25, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just wondering but is Fucito really that good?

The only game I remember watching with him playing was when he scored the game winner, but has he really developed or something? Im more of a casual fan.

by SeahawksPhan on Apr 25, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I possess the same question.

What knowledge do we have besides a small sample size that Fucito is actually a quality player?

by redwolf75 on Apr 25, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's looked excellent in every game I've seen him in

Of course…that’s not that many games since Fucito is the king of small sample sizes. Also, I’ve mostly seen him as a striker and not a winger. His PP90 is off-the-charts although I can’t remember the exact number off the top of my head.

I think the best indications of his talent are the CCL games where he scored two goals against Marathon in Seattle and against Monterry in Mexico where he scored 1 goal and forced a second. He started both games and played most of them (he suffered an ankle injury in the 70th minute of the Marathon game).

by Dizzo on Apr 25, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Champions League

take the list of players that have scored in Mexico

Fucito has

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by Dave Clark on Apr 25, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the LA Galaxy 2nd playoff game...

…Fucito essentially was playing left wing and forward. He was marking David Beckham the majority of his time on the field.
The Sounders also didn’t score until he got in. He injected great energy. In addition, he served a great ball to Alonso to tie that game (though still down 1 in the aggregate). The entire left half of the goal was open, and Ossie missed from point blank range..
So yes, he is that good, and has been grossly underutilized.

by fraygomez on Apr 25, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he's been underutilized

Sigi has used him when he could last year… unfortunately Fucito tends to get injured right before he would be needed. So he hasn’t been able to play much yet. Hopefully he can get rid of the injury bug so he can actually contribute a lot more this year.

by majora999 on Apr 26, 2011 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well..

…If he scores or creates scoring opportunities when he plays every time he steps on the field, has a very high PP90, scored our 1st 4 goals in CONCACAF play, and he’s healthy to play (as he was for the last 2 months of the MLS season, and for the playoffs), then I adhere to my assertion. He has been GROSSLY underutilized.
Sigi did not use him in MLS play when he easily could have during that time, especially during the 1st LA playoff game, and just as he didn’t use him again vs. the Rapids last week, or the Union the week prior.

by fraygomez on Apr 26, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

except...

The reason he doesn’t play more is because he’s hurt.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 26, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

?

I really don’t understand the point you’re making, because obviously when he’s healthy, he’s not hurt. And that was the time period I referred to. So would you clarify your comment in context with my point?

by fraygomez on Apr 26, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

He got injured in the Cascadia Summit

Then I think he got some other injury when he was almost back from that. Point being he’s been frequently injured. While he might be “healthy” now I think Sigi is inclined to give him more time than necessary so he might have a better chance of not reinjuring something.

I don’t think anyone here (or on the coaching staff for that matter) would say they don’t want to see him getting some game time (he’s done pretty well from himself when he’s played). The problem is right when you think he might be ready to contribute (maybe even contributes for a little while) he seems to get injured again. Taking it slow may not be required, but given his history over the last 2-3 years… it’s not surprising the Sounders staff aren’t giving him game time yet.

by majora999 on Apr 26, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok

Can’t argue with that point.
This should be an interesting next 3 games for him, given their close proximity, and with the ailments reported on Rosales and White.

by fraygomez on Apr 27, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's hardly ever healthy

And when he is healthy, he has been used as a sub. Last year, I really think it would be tough to blame his lack of playing time on anything other than injuries.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 26, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Though he was used just as a sub, ..I’m not buying that his lack of playing time was attributed to injuries at all.
Personnally, I contribute it much moreso to Montero’s perceived worth and the salary committment and roster moves behind that (Ljungberg and he couldn’t co-exist specifically), and the coaching preferences.
Fucito was healthy since early August last year. Montero wasn’t scoring at all. Nkufo and Montero weren’t working together well either (which also seems the obvious reason Nkufo quit this season). And Fucito was electric in CONCACAF and vs. LA when the coaches finally put him in. So he wasn’t injured for 4 months, except for an ankle roll vs Marathon that kept him out a week.
The Sounders have also scored more goals this season without Montero, as noted by Taylor Twellman on ESPN 3 weeks ago.
So now, with Zak out, and White and Rosales ailing, there’s absolutely no reason not to play him, especially over the next 3 game stretch.

by fraygomez on Apr 27, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I voted for Frieberg

I like Fucito a lot but am not sure he’s fit enough, yet. I definitely see him getting a lot more time as the season goes on, though.

What really struck me about this conversation is that nobody can replace Zakuani’s combination of speed and skill. Zakuani and Alonso have been my two favorite players for awhile but I don’t think I fully understood or appreciated Zak’s talent until now. He’s a special player.

by ryanhealy on Apr 25, 2011 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Frieberg? Er, Friberg, of course.

And to think I just returned from Sweden not too long ago. shame

by ryanhealy on Apr 25, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a shame that Montaño is out of favor.

It seems to me that Montaño, and not Fucito, is probably the most like-for-like replacement for Zakuani that we have on the roster at the moment — not that he is on the same level talent-wise, but he does have some of the same characteristics. Particularly given his performance against Vancouver in the preseason Cascadia tourney, I see him as bringing both the 1-on-1 attacking mentality which we’re losing with Zakuani being out and the spark which people were complaining that we lacked after the Zakuani injury.

Hopefully Montaño seizes the opportunity here and does what he needs to do in order to get back into the 18. Flaco would be a good example for him to follow here.

by Kenneth Jung on Apr 25, 2011 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

I remember watching Montano shine last year when he got more playing time.

Then he got the red card (I believe against Dallas?) and everything went downhill for him.

by SeahawksPhan on Apr 25, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed

"But who would listen to Little old me anyway?"

-by thehemogoblin

by Little old me on Apr 26, 2011 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

True

The red card seemed to be the beginning of the end of the Montano experiment in 2010. Sigi didn’t appreciate that, and it sounds from the press conferences that Montano still has a ways to go to earn Sigi’s favor again.

by ABTsportsline on Apr 26, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's a long time to be in the doghouse

The kid has skills, but he’s never going to develop without playing time. I might be wrong, but I don’t think he’s even getting a full 90 in reserve league games.

by Dizzo on Apr 26, 2011 12:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

definitely agree

i dont think he has either.

i think part of his apparent lack of effort might be the fact that he feels he may never get out of sigi’s doghouse.

by Sandra_R on Apr 26, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's a rather cyclical way of doing things...

He doesn’t play, so he doesn’t try, so he doesn’t play, so he doesn’t try…

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 26, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

i know it is but imagine how hard it would to get motivated if you werent playing

and from everything the coach says indicates that you wont play for awhile.

im sure he tried a ton of the red card because before then he was getting time but after it he didnt even get time in the open cup or later CCL games

by Sandra_R on Apr 26, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

honestly...

If that’s what’s going on, I don’t have very high hopes for him as a pro athlete. I really hope you’re wrong.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Apr 26, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes its easy to forget he's only 19

I vaguely remember being 19. I remember it being very, very difficult to get motivated about anything. I didn’t get religion about self-motivation until my early 20s.

My main concern is that he’s getting playing time. A full 90 of playing time in a reserve game is going to do a lot more good for Montano than it is for a veteran like Levesque.

by Dizzo on Apr 27, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

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