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Seattle Sounders vs. Toronto FC - Three Questions

Alan Gordon has been key to the Toronto FC offense. This is not an @ZombieJaqua joke.

In order to first preview Saturday's match, it should first be noted that Toronto FC won their first match int the Voyageur's Cup (the Canadian Championship) over minnow FC Edmonton. They should be a bit tired, and may be bouncing from Toronto to Edmonton to Toronto to Seattle in five days, regardless they will have the extra 90 minutes on a few player's legs.

Waking the Red is the Toronto FC blog on SB Nation and Duncan Fletcher will catch us up on the issues facing the Reds to better prepare you for the match. Three questions and answers go both ways.

Dave Clark: Aron Winter is trying rebuild a broken team, and institute a completely new system during the season. How can he expect this to go well?

Duncan Fletcher:  I imagine he asks himself that question a lot as well, along with 'what the hell have i got myself into here?'  Seriously though, the only way it's going to go well is with a lot of time.  He's committed to the long term, getting rid of players like Dwayne De Rosario and Chad Barrett who could have helped them stay competitive this season.  It's going to be a long learning process, not least because the squad is nowhere near good enough yet  A lot of players look uncomfortable in the new system, and generally the passing and build up play is too slow to be able to break down an organised team. If he can build that squad over this season so we have a decent core in place before the 2012 season starts, well that's probably the best TFC fans can hope for this year.

DC: Team Re-invented no longer has Dwayne De Rosario, who are the attacking threats replacing him?

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DF:  Alan Gordon.  Yes, seriously, that Alan Gordon.  In 5 games since De Ro left, we've scored 3 goals, Gordon's got 2 of those so for now I guess it's him, and that's the problem really.  We've got some useful components to build an attack, but there's no-one standing out as being the man who'll consistently score the goals.  Gordon's been very effective as a target man, and done very well dropping deep to link the play, drawing the defence out of position and releasing others. Javier Martina looks like being a good signing as well.  The Dutch winger's tricky, if a bit inconsistent, and often looks dangerous, but much like Gordon, he'd be better as the set up man for someone who can score consistently.  Maicon Santos has been a big disappointment in the number 10 position, he hasn't really looked good at all there yet. It's all very much a work in progress.

DC: Julian De Guzman missed significant time due to injury, he is now back should the defense look better?

Waking the Red: Yes it should.  The defence has looked about as well as could be hoped for given the overall lack of quality players so far, generally solid, never dominating and occasionally disastrous.  A fully fit De Guzman should help a lot, both with and without the ball.  His DP status will always be controversial in Toronto, as he's very rarely a noticeable player, but he'll be a key piece in Aron Winter's more patient, possession based play.  His organisational skills, movement and ability to make himself available for a pass out of defence, play a simple ball and quickly keep a move going are very valuable, but he's very rarely effective when trying for a more spectacular pass.   Similarly when defending it's the simple off the ball stuff that is his strong point, reading the play and using his positioning sense to disrupt attacks, rather than being a tough tackling physical presence.  So yes, though it won't always get noticed, he'll definitely make the defence look better.

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WtR: How's O'Brian White looking these days?  On the flip side of that, wasn't Nathan Sturgis actually decent for you guys?

DC: OBW has looked quite good. His speed in the target forward role has been an asset, and his ability win headers in the box has produced this season. He still needs to improve his work with Fredy Montero, but considering White wasn't partnered with him in training that should come.
 
Sturgis wasn't necessarily good, but instead was adequate. But that adequate was exactly what was needed. He's better defensively than anything else, but not really spectacular. He also has this odd inability to not pass to an open man on his left.

WtR: Steve Zakuani's obviously a huge loss.  Do you have a direct replacement for him to be able to keep the same formation, or will you have to change around the formation and style.

DC: Wow, I just wrote about 900 words on this, but to do it quickly. Seattle really has only a few options. If they want to remain tactically similar they only have Mike Fucito (unlikely as he hasn't played 90 yet) or Michael Tetteh (unlikely because he's the left back of the future). So there is probably going to be a shift in style to more possession, less speed and designated player Alvaro Fernandez is who I expect to get the start.

WtR: Are fans expectations rising now you're in your third year in MLS, would simply making the playoffs be enough for management to keep their jobs when the fans get to vote?

DC: Making the Playoffs without another Open Cup won't be enough I don't think. With the state of Seattle sports right now there is a little more pressure on Adrian Hanauer as the Sounders are really the only hope at a title. One major trophy will keep him safe, and contending in many should as well. Of course he could decide to just step down and be an owner rather than both that and GM.

What are your thoughts on that last question and answer?

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I would like AH to stay as GM

…irregardless of the Sounders record this year. Shaking up management just for the sake of shaking up management is a recipe for TFC style failure over the long-term.

by Dizzo on Apr 28, 2011 7:19 AM PDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

Seattle has a terrible history in Sports of getting fed up with competeing and almost winning the championship every year. We then fire the coaches and go on to years of terrible performance. Its happened to the Mariners (Pinella) and Sonics (Karl), and i link George Karl leaving as the start of the Sonics leaving.

Winning in a league with playoffs requires a lot of luck. You need to stay consistantly good so you can take advantage of the good luck when it comes.

by DarthGreedo on Apr 28, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

While I tend to agree with you,

Pinella got fed up with ownership not spending the money he thought was needed and wanted out.

But concerning the Sounders, I not sure how badly this season would need to go for me to want AH to step down. He has put together some pretty good teams and I don’t see what could change to make me believe he couldn’t put together one that could win it all. Change for change’s sake is stupid.

by quacker27 on Apr 28, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same with Karl

Nos audietis in somniis
Nos audietis in altum

by Seattle Coug on Apr 28, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that he’s done a really fantastic job. If there is a weakness in our operation it is pretty clearly the draft and I think Sigi has a lot to do with that. If we were able to step it up in the draft and keep our current fantastic job of finding players outside the US, we could be in RSL territory.

Boo! Tomorrow AM. I want all things now!

by Perrinbar on Apr 28, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree on the perception we are weak in draft

It would be easy not to mention Zakuani since he was the first pick overall (pretty much a consensus pick). But they still made the choice so credit for not screwing up what should have been pretty automatic (GA player, top on many draft boards, etc)

But the main point I am really happy with is the depth that was created by our drafts: Seamon, Carrasco, Estrada and Tetteh. And don’t forget Fucito was drafted in the fourth round and has a promising future here.

I think drafting 21 and 22 year olds always means looking at ways they can grow, develop and improve and is less of an immediate result. Just seems kinda harsh to say our weakness in our operation is “clearly the draft.”

Nos audietis in somniis, Nos audietis in altum: You will hear us!

by chrisso on Apr 28, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

He should stay

In every sport and every league, stability and a willingness to take a longer view generally pays off. There are exceptions (see: Raiders), but most teams that have a pretty set system, consistent leadership and a good culture thrive.

Make changes when the wheels fall off.

by jayw913 on Apr 28, 2011 8:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Hanauer leaving would be a huge loss

as well as any other key FO figure. Sigi and Schmetzer know what they are doing. Hanauer knows what he is doing. They built a great team from day one and are continuing to build a great team. To shake things up just because we don’t get a major trophy or because we don’t make it/get deep into the playoffs would be stupid. I like what Hanauer and Sigi have both said where they both plan on being in for the long haul, and don’t want management to be a revolving door. My fantasy would be to have a Sir Alex/Arsene Wenger/David Moyes situation where we have a consistent long term manager and staff, to build a legacy on.

Turning into a TFC, DC, Chivas, etc would be a really bad deal. If management is bad, things need to change. (I think of Preki and TFC last season) But constantly changing for the sake of change does nothing to help a team IMO.

by chrisperry1983 on Apr 28, 2011 8:15 AM PDT reply actions  

If Adrian gets voted out I will be incensed

It would be a horrible move for the whole organization. Especially now that there’s no Zak – I think expectations have to be ratcheted down.

by Nevtelen on Apr 28, 2011 8:27 AM PDT reply actions  

While I wouldn't be happy with just making the playoffs again

If this team can consistently do that year after year it just takes one favorable draw to make a championship run. The Sounders FO seems to be slowly ironing out the kinks in the team and we have been competitive from day one. Hiring Sigi as C, Hanauer as GM, Henderson as TD, Shemetzer as AC, are all reasons we are where we are now. Our FO has made about as good of a moves drafting and finding players abroad as can be expected.

There has still been a decent amount of fluctuation between years in our core of players. I think if we can continue to keep most of them around and get a more consistent lineup between years that will help the team. We’ve been pretty unfortunately with multiple injuries effecting multiple seasons as well.

I think with the FO we have now it’s just a matter of time before we get one of the major MLS trophies (SS or the Cup). I’m not sure how anyone can complain that we have a bad FO when we’ve already gotten 2 trophies in the two years in MLS, going to be in CCL each year possible so far, and have been in the playoffs every year so far. Just getting to the playoffs again is not acceptable, but at the same time it’s more than most teams have done who have been around longer.

by majora999 on Apr 28, 2011 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

So I agree with everyone else

Shaking things up just because we’ve gotten close but not made it all the way is stupid and definitely a move toward failure. More trophies come with time.

by majora999 on Apr 28, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

white is out indefinitely

Josh just tweeted he underwent surgery yesterday to remove a blood clot in the leg.

I wish him well but this sucks :(

Why did we get rid of nkufo??

by Sandra_R on Apr 28, 2011 10:56 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Ouch. That hurts a lot.

Hopefully he’ll be back again relatively soon. I really think we could use another young target forward for depth. It’s right up there with right back as a weak spot for us heading into the crowded part of the season (MLS, Open Cup & CCL).

by Dizzo on Apr 28, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

We didnt get rid of Nkufo

He asked out. Big difference.

Nos audietis in somniis
Nos audietis in altum

by Seattle Coug on Apr 28, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

If ever a coaching change is made

I hope they take a long, long look at Caleb Porter.

by TheTank123 on Apr 28, 2011 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

DC United offered him the top job a couple years ago

I believe he was the top choice for DCU and they only went with Onalfo in 2010 because Porter wasn’t interested. I think he enjoys where he’s at and what he’s doing right now. Back during the draft I was reading articles about him and he seems to genuinely enjoy the teaching part of his job at Akron. He’ll have his choice of teams if and when he’s ready to go to MLS.

by Dizzo on Apr 28, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But I think it would be terribly hard to turn down an opportunity to coach the Sounders out of all the other MLS teams.

Plus, he needs to coach professionally before they will look at him for the USMNT (which is 100 percent his ultimate goal)

by TheTank123 on Apr 28, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Getting rid of the FO and coaching staff

Would be the sort of stupid I’d expect from fans who think winning is the norm, not the exception. It’s not a matter of settling, and there’s certainly no argument to be made against striving for even more, but anyone who thinks we haven’t already had 2 exceptional years is living in cloud cuckoo land.

by Targaff on Apr 28, 2011 12:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Just heard we're getting Salazar again for this game.

Can someone remind me why I immediately react with anger whenever his name is mentioned? It’s like a Pavlovian reaction now.

by agtk on Apr 28, 2011 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

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