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Sounders v Timbers: In the Stands and in the Standings

As we come upon the eve of our first Cascadia Cup match of the MLS era, the Timbers prepare to head up I-5 with a gaggle of supporters in tow. This is an ebullient time for both cities, and you’ll surely hear quite a bit from our neighbors down the road. Unfortunately, there is quite a bit of revisionist history in the Timber’s oral traditions, primarily regarding their illustrious history and fan culture.


It is common to hear the old refrains, "Sure, the Sounders won, but we had 10 thousand fans in the USL days!", or perhaps "The ECS can’t touch the TA’s 35 year tradition!" We’ve all heard it all so many times (such must be the pain of not actually winning on the field), but how much truth is there to it? Is Soccer City, USA truly Portland (as the city declared itself in 1975), or is the current reputation built on a lie told over and over across the years until it was accepted as truth? Let’s find out...

Star-divide

 

I gathered attendance records and performance on the field from 1974 (the year the NASL Sounders came into the world in possibly the first case of a breech-birth bicycle-kick) through last season, comparing records, rankings/post-season results, and average attendance to get to the bottom of this critical matter. The record and average attendance are pretty straightforward, and the ranking is split into final placement in league standings and furthest point of playoff advancement (1st Round, Quarter Finals, Semi Finals, etc). Let's delve in, shall we? 

Seattle

Portland

Year

League

W-D-L

Ranking

Avg Attnd

W-D-L

Ranking

Avg Attnd

1974

NASL

13-0-7

3rd, DNQ

14,434

1975

NASL

15-0-7

2nd, QF

16,818

16-0-6

1st, lost SB

14,503

1976

NASL

14-0-10

2nd, QF

23,828

8-0-16

4th, DNQ

20,166

1977

NASL

14-0-12

3rd, lost SB

24,226

10-0-16

4th, DNQ

13,208

1978

NASL

15-0-15

3rd, 1st round

22,578

20-0-10

2nd, 1st round

11,803

1979

NASL

13-0-17

3rd, DNQ

18,998

11-0-19

4th, DNQ

11,172

1980

NASL

25-0-7

1st, QF

24,246

15-0-17

4th, DNQ

10,210

1981

NASL

15-0-17

4th, 1st round

18,224

17-0-15

3rd, 1st round

10,516

1982

NASL

18-0-14

1st, lost SB

12,539

14-0-18

4th, DNQ

8,786

1983

NASL

12-0-18

3rd, DNQ

8,181

1984

1985

WSA

3-1-3

T2

1-2-4

4th

1986

WSA

6-2-6

T2

6-2-6

T2

1987

WSA

5-0-5

T1, SF

5-0-5

4th, DNQ

1988

WSA

10-0-2

1st, Champs

1-0-11

6th, DNQ

1989

WSL

10-0-6

3rd, DNQ

11-0-5

2nd, SF

1990

APSL

10-0-10

5th, DNQ

10-0-10

4th, DNQ

1991

1992

1993

1994

APSL

14-0-6

1st, SF

6,437

1995

A-League

13-7-4

2nd, Champs

4,571

1996

A-League

12-2-11

3rd, Champs

3,750

1997

A-League

16-5-7

2nd, QF

2,873

1998

A-League

17-1-10

2nd, WF

2,902

1999

A-League

19-4-9

3rd, QF

2,243

2000

A-League

18-7-3

1st, SF

2,143

2001

A-League

13-1-12

5th, DNQ

1,885

13-3-10

4th, QF

5,975

2002

A-League

23-1-4

1st, QF

4,087

13-13-3

2nd, 1st round

6,261

2003

A-League

16-5-7

1st, SF

3,357

15-2-11

3rd, DNQ

5,871

2004

A-League

13-4-11

4th, finals

2,874

18-3-7

1st, QF

5,281

2005

USL Div 1

11-11-6

4th, Champs

2,885

10-9-9

5th, QF

5,553

2006

USL Div 1

11-4-13

7th, DNQ

3,693

7-6-15

11th, DNQ

5,575

2007

USL Div 1

16-6-6

1st, Champs

3,396

14-9-5

2nd, SF

6,794

2008

USL Div 1

10-10-10

6th, QF

3,386

7-10-13

11th, DNQ

8,567

2009

MLS/USL

12-11-7

3rd, QF

30,897

16-10-4

1st, SF

9,734

2010

MLS/USL

14-6-10

4th, QF

36,173

13-10-7

3rd, QF

10,727

So, what can we glean from this information? Besides the obvious superiority on the pitch (which is so often over-valued in comparison to a really, really good "No Pity" call-and-response), the Sounders have a clear advantage in terms of attendance. The Timbers soundly defeated the Sounders at the turnstiles from 2001-2008, but were consistently out-drawn in their NASL guise (by NOT Soccer City!?! Gasp!). In fact, their vaunted fan support started to decline after their first non-winning season (their second season, for those of you scoring at home) and steadily dropped until the team took a two-year sabbatical before returning to the somewhat rough-shod and impromptu Western Soccer Alliance. Shockingly, for a city proudly proclaiming themselves to be "Soccer City, USA", Portland then went 11 years -- that's nearly a third of their history -- without a franchise. 

"While all this is true," your ever-moving-the-goalpost Timbers supporter friend might say, "Records don't really matter, nor do all those bandwagon (he says with a sneer) fans coming in to sip a latte and sit....what REALLY matters are the TRUE fans, the SUPPORTERS!" He would then brush back his bangs from his horn-rimmed glasses, push aside the mustache wax in his fanny-pack to get to his Pall-Malls, and mention the 35 year history of the Timbers Army.

 Unfortunately, even this last tenuous hold on superiority must slip, as the Timbers Army was created in 2001, an "extension" of supporters groups buried under the passing sands of the decade since the last match played under the Portland banner. 

So, to summarize: The Sounders have been better on the pitch 14 out of 21 years of league co-habitation, splitting the attendance title (Sounders "won" the NASL years, Timbers "won" the USL years they took part in), and have been a consistently quality side over the past 37 years (fielding a team in 33 of those years, and missing the playoffs in only 8). And the Timbers? Well, the Timbers...not so much. If only they were a little more quiet, the numbers indicate we might have a different arch-rival to the north. But, that's a thought for another day...

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Excellent summary of your fact finding mission.

Might I suggest better organization of the data for readability purposes? Perhaps even some column shading?

by bmvaughn on May 12, 2011 3:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Excellent suggestion,

And one I’ll take if I find some of my research is worth sharing again. This was something of a spur of the moment research project I took on while trying to do some scouting on those dark green fellas, so at the end I just sort of dumped my table and some loose reasoning into the world.

by Sullitron on May 12, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

History

I’ve never seen anybody claim that the Timbers Army has a 35 year history.

by AAAA on May 12, 2011 4:22 PM PDT reply actions  

It happens sometimes...

Not by major media outlets, but there are some fans who prefer to believe that the TA have “35 years and going strong!” (http://bit.ly/lXf9mP) and that “even in the USL days, the Timbers drew between 8-10 thousand a night” (http://bit.ly/inouha) — things that are easily checked, and clearly false.

by Sullitron on May 12, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

My favorite part of this

Is that Soccer City USA didn’t have soccer for 13 of the years they claim they did.

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
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by Dave Clark on May 12, 2011 5:20 PM PDT reply actions  

I never get tired

of seeing Portland fans getting put in their place. Never.

by Threeball on May 12, 2011 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Got in one of those online pissing matches over twitter with two Timbers fans last night

One claimed that his club has been around for 35 years. Which would mean by his definition the Republican party has held the Presidency for 35 years.

Timbers – 22 of 35
GOP – 21 of 35

Portland where New Math isn’t new enough

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
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by Dave Clark on May 13, 2011 8:43 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Portland fans are a joke

All they do is seek validation from others.

by B-Lot tailgater on May 15, 2011 8:44 AM PDT reply actions  

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