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Nick Palodichuck and Home Grown Players

Box-to-box midfielders who are the targets of top colleges and the US National Team are rare. The Seattle Sounders had one of those players in their U-18 Academy up until a couple months ago. He put up two goals in 12 appearances (10 starts) on a team that is dominating its league. Then college spring soccer started, and Nick Palodichuck enrolled early at Duke University.

Nick, probably with advisement of various coaches, decided to play with Duke during their spring exhibition season. Coaches in this case could be his college coach, his Sounders Academy coach, and maybe even the US Youth Nationals. That eliminated him from eligibility for the Development Academy, but it did not remove his Home Grown Player status.

This weekend the Portland Timbers U-23 PDL team played their first match. Astute observers noted that he put on their dark green kit against Crossfire. The Camas native had in the past some questions about his HGP eligibility.

Palodichuk’s attachment to the Sounders organization is still under question as the player left the club before the one-year period was up required for home grown status. Sounders Academy Technical Director Darren Sawatzky was optimistic that Palodichuk would qualify for the status because the same coaching staff was with him when he was part of the Washington Premier Academy. As of March, MLS has yet to inform Seattle if Palodichuk would be eligible for a Home Grown contract.

When Jeremiah Oshan asked the Sounders about Palodichuk's status, he was told "he is still on the home grown player list." It's not clear if MLS has made an official ruling on his status. But assuming he is approved as a Sounders HGP, that would mean Seattle holds the right of first refusal to the player thereby allowing them the opportunity to sign him to a contract and avoid the MLS SuperDraft. If the player and the team could not come to an agreement, and he tried to enter MLS he would enter as any other college player.

Though Palodichuck spent his formative years within the theoretical catchment area of the Portland Timbers, they did not have an Academy within the USSDA at the time, so he played and trained with the Seattle based Academy instead. Each Academy is allowed two exceptions to the catchment area rule (either 50, 75 or 150 miles from home stadium depending on market size). At the U-18 level it seems clear that Seattle would use this exception on a player of Palodichuck's caliber.

This is pretty much uncharted water for MLS, but it seems unlikely that the Timbers could claim him as one of their HGP's since he never played in their academy. While he is currently playing for the Timbers' U-23 team, the PDL is separate from the academy system. It's also the team located closest to his hometown. If the Sounders are not ultimately allowed to sign him, he would most likely enter the SuperDraft.

Other Academy Note: Over facebook today the Seattle Sounders Academy system announced a "pre-Academy team." While no age was mentioned it is likely a U-14 squad, as the USSDA uses U-18 and U-16 as its breakpoints. This gives earlier entry into the Sounders coaching system, and greater centralization of players for the club. They still operate Regional Training Centers in Everett (North), Yakima&Spokane (East), Tukwila (Central), Puyallup (South), and Southwest areas of Washington State.

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Good grief, is there nothing we can’t fight with Portland about?

by Derek Young on May 16, 2011 8:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Any reason besides level of play he's playing with them?

As in, is he Timbers fan? I’m a big fan of letting people play where they want, and if that means we lose someone, even a talent as highly regarded as Palodichuk I’m ok with it, though certainly disappointed.

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by Seattle Coug on May 16, 2011 9:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm merely guessing

but closest to free place to stay would give Timbers PDL a leg up on anything else

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by Dave Clark on May 16, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brent Richards is on the Timbers U-23

They both went to Camas HS and Richards had a great year for them last year so maybe that had something to do with it as well.

by SounderLute on May 16, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Post graduation

what is to prevent Nick, Okoli, or any of Seattle Academy recruits (or HGP’s) from entering straight into the draft by avoiding contract talks with Seattle. Is there only verbal commitment/allegiance to Seattle at that point? I see how he might be more interested in pledging affiliation to Stumptown. But like Jacqua, it might be better for the player to avoid playing in the same city/area you were raised as not set the bar exceedingly high for success (see Jake Locker/Drew Bledsoe).

by sum anon on May 16, 2011 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Seattle has right of first refusal on any HGP player from within their own academy

But the players could decide that they would rather enter through the draft, at least that is our understanding. No HGP has refused to sign with the team that developed them yet.

I’m quite confused why you say that Palodichuk is “more interested in pledging affiliation to Stumptown” can you clarify?

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by Dave Clark on May 16, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

For two reasons, both of which aren't founded.

A, he grew up literally across the river from Portland. B, he’s been playing with the Portland U23 team. Of course this decision to not play for the Sounders developmental team (‘cos we lack one), was more or less the reason in addition to location. This is all speculation, and years out too, but who knows what decision he’ll make down the road? I also am not privy to the contracts in the MLS, so I’m not totally clear what he’ll have to do post-grad. Could he potentially sign overseas and avoid the MLS altogether?

I’m not doubting his likelihood to return to the Sounders, just saying he will have the opportunity to make a choice (gathered from looking over what you posted and some extra reading). It would be awesome if he came back to the Seattle. He’s a super talented soccer player and I’d love to cheer him on.

by sum anon on May 16, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

As far as I know, he probably has two choices...

He can either sign with the Sounders as a HGP (assuming Sounders have his rights) or he can enter the draft.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 16, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Players can't enter the draft at their own choosing

They either need to be college seniors or signed to a Generation Adidas deal. The fastest route to the MLS for any of these kids is the HGP route, unless they get lucky and get a GenAd deal.

Also, Palodichuck played for the Washington Premier Academy before the Sounders. That is the team that folded itself into the Sounders. Even if he grew up 1 minute away from Portland he played with “Sounders” kids during his formative years.

by TheTank123 on May 17, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

The WA premier academy was not run by the Sounders

and so shouldn’t count, is what other teams in the league would say. And they’d probably be right.

And distance between home and the stadium DO matter for MLS rules.

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by Dave Clark on May 17, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

But the MLS HGP policy doesn’t exactly seem to be set in stone. Philly tried to pull the same deal with Corey Herzog but he never actually suited up in a Philly uniform, just for one of their feeder programs.

I could definitely see the Sounders being given a “pass” because he actually played for the team.

by TheTank123 on May 17, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Herzog wasn't approved though

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by Dave Clark on May 17, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know

I’m just saying that if Philly even thought they had a chance to add Herzog as an HGP it’s a signal that the teams don’t see these rules as set in stone.

by TheTank123 on May 17, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nick is from Camas - near PDX

The case here is that he came to WPFC for the academy. His younger brother plays for WPFC now – as does Okoli’s little brother – with the intent to move up to the academy team. Oregon has no academy or ECNL teams. Players of that caliber must come north until the Timbers join the academy.

My point is that he has played with the same coach & players for more than the 1 year (leave early or not) & SSFC should have first refusal. Most of his team mates played with him @ WPFC & are local & will have been with the club longer than the 1 year.

by Sam in P-Town on May 16, 2011 9:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Again, the determinent is not place of origin but training

He has trained with the Sounders. He is likely to be one of their HGP potentials or a future draft pick. That’s it.

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by Dave Clark on May 16, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

forfeits?

that seems only plausible explanation, right?

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 17, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

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