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Seattle Sounders at Real Salt Lake - Three Questions

SANDY, UT - MAY 14: Fans of Real Salt Lake cheer during a game against the Houston Dynamo during the second half of an MLS soccer game May 14, 2011 at Rio Tinto Stadium in Sandy, Utah. Real Salt Lake and the Houston Dynamo played to a 0-0 tie. (Photo by George Frey/Getty Images)

Some of the luster is off of Real Salt Lake. They lost the CONCACAF Champions League 2nd Leg at home, they lost their MVP candidate and have drawn their last two matches. None of these mean that they are even just an average team. They are still quite good, but the Seattle Sounders have a few things going for them in that RSL has been hit by the Gold Cup already. Denz from www.RSLSoapbox.com is our guide.

DC: Real Salt Lake has all of one loss in the last two + years at home, and that was to the best team in the region. What is the key to that impressive streak?

RSLSB: I think there are a couple factors, first are the physical ones.  The altitude makes an impact on almost every team to come here, it is hard for teams to not struggle late in matches due to the lesser amounts of oxygen.  The pitch, I think the clear reality of playing where you train (often) makes a difference, it is the familiarity of things (how much water will be put on pitch before a match, where will their be unusual lighting) and things like that. 

Then there are the mental things, knowing that you slept at home the night before and should be well rested, you can do the same prematch rituals, and for RSL it has become an advantage to feed off the crowd.  While we may not have the biggest numbers in MLS, or the largest supporter groups, there are very few places where you find everyone in the stadium having the same level of knowledge and passion as the fans at Rio Tinto Stadium.  I was asked a few weeks ago, when did I think RSL quit being an "expansion" team, and I said when they played their first match at Rio Tinto Stadium.  The team found a home, and one that has allowed them to build a unique relationship with their fans, and that has really allowed RSL to find extra energy when they need it.  Now I have gotten goosebumps at both of the matches I have attended at Qwest Field, and I have gotten them at other stadiums as well, but for me there is no place like home and I think the players of RSL feel that way as well.

DC: The effect of the CONCACAF Gold Cup starts this week for Kreis' men. How will they deal with losing even more offense?

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RSLSB: A lot of people, myself included have proclaimed that Real Salt Lake is the deepest team in MLS, well we are about to find out if that is true.  The injury to Javier Morales was a huge blow to the style that RSL loves to play, but the call ups of Will Johnson, Alvaro Saborio, Arturo Alvarez, and Nick Rimando (who will remain with RSL, pending emergency) leave some very big holes in the RSL lineup.  Will Johnson is one of those high energy guys that may not make a huge splash on the stat sheet each week, but he is one of those guys who makes a difference every minute he is on the pitch.  Arturo may be new to the team, but with Paulo Jr. on the shelf with an injury, and Fabian Espindola recovering form one, he served a huge role for RSL in recent weeks, and while Sabo may not have been burning up the stat sheets like he did last year, he has been getting better each week (as he plays himself back to full fitness). 

Those holes are like open doors, and for RSL the success of their 2011 season may well hinge on who steps through those doors, we have seen that Collen Warner has the potential to play well at the MLS level, can the amazing rebirth of Andy Williams go even higher, will RSL find out that Jean Alexandre should have been playing up top instead of in the midfield, or will Nelson Gonzalez take everyone by surprise by living up to his potential?  I don't know, a lot of ifs and not a lot of sure things to count on, and I think that is the biggest concern for most fans.  Over the past two seasons, few injuries, few call ups, fairly consistent lineup, we knew who would be there and what we could count on them to do, not now, but I have a feeling that a lot of people are about to learn some new names.

DC: Will Nick Rimando join most keepers the Sounders have faced and make the short list for all-league this week?

RSLSB: Probably, he has been rock solid all year, I mean not many guys out there with a 0.29 GAA and shutouts in over 70% of their matches.  Yet if you ask Nick he will point out that a lot of his success is the result of a very solid defensive unit from top to bottom.  He does benefit from playing behind 2 of the 3 defender of the year candidates, who do their best to ensure that he doesn't have to make a lot of saves, which I think helps him to make those spectacular ones.  Will he benefit from a Sounders team that has struggled a bit to score goals lately?  Not so sure, I mean I expect Fredy to come out and make a lot of noise on Saturday, after being called out in public by Sigi.  I think if Brad Evans is back that he presents a real threat, he simply seems to be playing out of his mind when healthy this year, and then the real question mark Nate Jaqua.  The guy has been a RSL killer in the past, and I hope that he enjoys this match from the bench.

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RSLSB: The Sounders lost both Steve Zakuani and O' Brian White for an extended period of time, they have also had a number of other injuries that have impacted their lineups almost weekly.  With just 3 healthy players who have scored goals this year (Montero, Fernandez, and Parke) who can we expect to see leading the offense efforts on Saturday?

DC: Well, I don't think that just because Mauro Rosales, Mike Fucito nor Nate Jaqua don't have goals yet this season it means that they can't score in future matches. Each brings different attributes to the game and should provided chances for the team. With #TheTrialist (Rosales) you'll see a player who is fast with the ball at his feet, can beat a man or two on the dribble and then put in a cross or shot from tight angles. Fucito will shoot when no one thinks there is an opening using his speed and tenacity to find spaces and is 6th on the team in shots on goal in only 140 minutes. Jaqua is what he is, a big player who pulls a centerback where ever he goes, a capable poacher, skillful short passer and able to get a head on things.
 
Thursday after practice Sigi said that Brad Evans will definitely be in the 18, and possibly start. Evans offers generally safe passes, some of the best late runs in the league and can put away the penalty.

RSLSB: With just a single win in their last 5 matches, what happened? 

DC: You kind of hinted at it in the first question in that Seattle's offense has suffered the loss of the following attacking players at some point during the season - Zakuani, White, Montero, Jaqua, Fucito, Evans, Rosales, and Friberg. While the Sounders were regarded as being pretty deep, not many teams could go through significant stretches where at least half of those players are effected at a time and still produce. Sigi is still trying to figure out how to open the scoring gates through various tactics, formations, and lineups. It isn't working, as players are learning on the go, rather than through training. Case in point was the pairing of Fucito with Montero against Dallas, those two just haven't worked together in training.

RSLSB: The Sounders clearly have some of the deeper pockets in MLS, what moves do you think they will make this summer to improve the team?  Will it be a big name like Ljungberg, a smaller name with bigger on field potential, or will they look to make due with what they have?

DC: Adrian Hanauer and Chris Henderson will scour the world looking for the best player not just for this season, but for at least next as well. For the most part this is actually a young team, and with Joe Roth targeting continental greatness the club won't look for a short term fix. It could be a huge signing like a Diego Forlan or Didier Drogba (Seattle can match any contract they are offered anywhere), but it could also be a relative unknown like a Montero or Alvaro Fernandez. In addition to adding an expected DP they will add one or two smaller contract players to fill needs at fullback and on the wing. The offseason will see a new keeper added too.

RSLSB: Bonus Question) If you could take one player from the RSL roster and add them to the Sounders roster who would it be and why?

DC: Kyle Beckerman if Seattle didn't already have a very capable defensive mid. To me he's the engine of the team. He wins balls and links to the attacking players quite well. But since Seattle has no need there I would probably take Collen Warner. There is a need here for what he can do right now. His ability to serve the ball on set-plays is strong and his role flexibility as an attacking midfielder would help Seattle's current issues right now.

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Drogba?

Do you really think Sounders can or should match Drogba’s $200,000+ PER WEEK wage? On top of the maybe $75 million transfer fee? He has a year of contract left. I know they’re sitting on some serious bank compared to other clubs, but they don’t get the mega TV dollars that European clubs get.

I fear Salt Lake, and Beckerman’s skills, but I fear his hair more. It makes me physically ill. If there was software to make it disappear I would pay. It’s not just dreads, it’s THOSE dreads.

by Fnarf on May 27, 2011 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Seattle has the richest owner in sports, and an extra billionaire as well

And were somewhere in the top 75 for soccer generated revenue.

Yes, they could afford his salary (it is about 10M$ per year).

I also question your estimated transfer fee, as it would be the 2nd highest between two EPL teams, and would be highly unusual for a player of his age to have that large of a fee.

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by Dave Clark on May 27, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's also the ideal TF for the Sigi system

Imagine OBW learning from that.

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by Dave Clark on May 27, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

As long as he learns Drogba the soccer player

and not Drogba the whiny temperamental star. I’d love for us to sign Drogba, but I do fear some of the Ljungberg-like ego and attitude risks. I do know that Drogba has done a lot of charity work, maybe he could give Zak a big boost to Kingdom Hope.

by agtk on May 27, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man City's owner might be richer

but after your first billion, who’s counting?

by agtk on May 27, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's not richer than Paul Allen

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by Dave Clark on May 27, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

But Allen isn't principal owner

And the chances of Allen dropping even a teensy part of his fortune on a megaplayer are vanishingly small. Allen is a lot more conservative with his dough than he used to be, and he’s a LONG ways away from the Abramovich “I don’t care how much it costs” model of rich owner.

Any player we get is going to come out of ordinary income, I’ll bet.

by Fnarf on May 28, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Allen and Abramovich are in a battle over who can own the largest yacht

He just bought a Mig-29. He owns fully two sports teams, and 25% of a third.

He isn’t conservative with his fortunes.

Even if you just want to keep it to soccer related revenue (thereby ignoring the principal owner, Joe Roth and his 2 Billion) Seattle made about 50Million last year, with operating expenses at 12-15 Million. Sure there is some revenue sharing, but not enough to drag that number low enough they couldn’t afford an amazing player.

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by Dave Clark on May 28, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow.

I realized they were making a lot of money, but that’s more than I would have thought. So can we be the New York Yankees of MLS, with better fans?

by quacker27 on May 29, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

$75 mil might be a bit high

But not THAT high. Look what Torres got — about $80 mil. Yes, he’s younger, but he’s nowhere near the player that Drogba is, or was. Carroll went for $60 mil!

We do not have the TV money that the big boys have, even if our stadium is in the, er, ballpark. Chelsea earns something like $100 mil just from Champions League play.

I won’t challenge your “top 75” because I have no idea, but even so, there’s a HUGE difference between the drawing power of the top four clubs in England (or top two in Spain, top 3 in Italy, etc.) and the rest of the world. A player like Drogba is out of reach of the Evertons and Aston Villas of this world, let alone a lowly MLS club, no matter how many seats and shirts we sell. Our total revenue is what, $35-40 million?

That would also be more than all the rest of his teammates combined. I assume you’ve read Wahl’s book on Beckham, and remember how disruptive it was to have a player earning $6 mil, plus all his other deals, living next to guys earning $20k. The situation’s a bit more level than that, but still, Drogba is not going to be interested in staying at Sounders hotels and eating team food. He lives in a different universe. I can’t see him wanting to live in Seattle at all, frankly.

by Fnarf on May 27, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're drastically overestimating Drogba's value on the transfer market.

Torres is six years younger. Carroll is 11 years younger and English, which makes a huge difference. Luis Suarez went to Liverpool for $38 million. You really think Drogba’s value is is twice as high as Luis Suarez’s?

Drogba is a very good player that used to be great that no huge clubs in Europe are going to invest a ton of money in. He’s going to want one last big payday and his best chance of getting it is somewhere like Turkey, France (if Marseille are feeling sentimental) or MLS. I don’t know if the Sounders could (or should) get him, but he’s not worth anywhere close to $75 million.

by Aaron Campeau on May 27, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes I'm over

I said I was over. You’re absolutely right. But the number wasn’t a realistic attempt to guess a price; what I really meant was “way, way out of our range”.

I’ll back away slowly now.

by Fnarf on May 28, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

$75 million transfer fee? Nowhere near that...high wages though.

Still, someone like him would sell a lot of shirts.

My opinion? David Trezeguet. He’s an incredible finisher, WAY less temperamental than Drogba and his team (Hercules) were relegated this year (he only played there because it is his wife’s hometown) so he’ll definitely be on the move.

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by AKSupporter on May 27, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a Chelsea fan...

…Not sure about Drogba. He’s working on old legs and not sure if it be worth it to the Sounders to spend a load of cash, who may/may not pan out in MLS. I mean, there’s gotta be better options right?

by Timm Higgins on May 27, 2011 12:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Depends on how you define better

Better as in, purely better player? Or a better as in a combination of: availability, skill, attitude, price, and willingness to play for the Sounders?

by agtk on May 27, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I guess I was a bit vague...

…Lets go with what you said – available, skill, price and willing to play in Seattle. Though The Blues are going to release some younger guys that might fit – but still a gamble. Don’t have any names to throw out at the moment.

by Timm Higgins on May 27, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Old legs....

But also malaria. Drogba’s as sturdy a 33-year-old as you’ll find. Remember what he was like at the beginning of this season, and to a lesser extent at the end; Chelsea came from nowhere to threaten the title again, and that was Drogba, not Torres. I’d be thrilled, and I say that as a violent Chelsea hater. But I can’t see it happening. I mean, compare to Nkufo (who I liked, but…)

by Fnarf on May 27, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

While we're throwing out names

John Carew’s contract was not renewed at Aston Villa. He’s reasonably aged (31) and a decent enough goal scorer.

by chrisperry1983 on May 27, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Hahahaha

As I was posting that, I was saying to myself that I was surprised he hadn’t posted something about it yet.

by chrisperry1983 on May 27, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I oddly don't want a post30s guy unless he's amazing

Carew is good, not amazing.

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by Dave Clark on May 27, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rumor of Drogba's transfer to Galatasaray of Turkey

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1390315/Galatasaray-set-swoop-Spurs-target-Didier-Drogba.html

As written above, $10m/yr for a long-term deal. Sounders could do that, or better. Turkish league is better than MLS (I think) but not by a lot.

by agtk on May 27, 2011 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

It is as good as any league not in the big 5

So not EPL, Spain, Germany, Italy, France

probably not Portugal

But it should be among Russia, Ukraine, Netherlands, Greece

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by Dave Clark on May 27, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you believe the assessment that

MLS is approximately bottom EPL and mid-upper Championship?

by agtk on May 27, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not Dave, but if I can offer my opinion that assessment is way, way off.

The top teams in MLS are probably lower-mid Championship sides at best.

by Aaron Campeau on May 27, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm just going to 2nd aaron really

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by Dave Clark on May 27, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fully agree with this.

More on the low side though. Even mid table Championship teams are pretty dang good

by chrisperry1983 on May 27, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we are talking probably not going to happen DP's i'll throw this out there

Miroslov Klose! Dude can finish. He is great in the air and is a big man that can fight through physical defenders. With Gomez scoring like mad he is never getting back in like he was with Bayern. And with our German pair of head coaches maybe we can trick him into scoring like he does for the German national team.

Plus he’s Awesome.

by DarthGreedo on May 27, 2011 2:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Loved watching Klose in the WC

But isn’t his back a nagging, recurring issue?

by chrisperry1983 on May 27, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Forlan

If we’re going to spend $8-10m on a player – and for the record I don’t think that’s what will happen – I’d much prefer Forlan to Drogba. I could easily see Drogba getting frustrated with the hacking and overall style of play here and sulking his way through the season until someone in Europe comes after him.

Forlan I think would be a much better fit, and having Flacco and other South Americans on the team should only help. And didn’t I read that his contract is up and Athletico doesn’t want him back? Would he be a free transfer?

But most likely, Adrian & co. will pursue players who aren’t household names, proven big league players who command salaries in the $1-2m range but I’m too ignorant to identify. Choose the right guy and he can still be a star here.

by wannascribble on May 27, 2011 7:19 PM PDT reply actions  

To be clear...

Saying Forlan is more likely than Drogba is like saying I’m more likely to hit one hole in one than two holes in one this weekend. I can easily imagine Forlan saying “Thanks but no thanks.”

But if Drogba’s a 1,000-1 shot to wear Rave Green this fall, I’d say Forlan is 250-1. I’m still not expecting it to happen, but I think he’s considerably more likely then Drogba to consider it, and he’d be a better fit then Drogba if we’re gonna go the famous and high-priced striker route. And I think he’d be a free transfer, though someone with more knowledge might be able to correct me on that.

by wannascribble on May 27, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

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