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SANDY, UT - MAY 28: Referee Mark Kadlecik holds up a red card for defender Jamison Olave #4 of Real Salt Lake (L) after obstructing Mike Futico #2 of the Seattle Sounders FC on a break away deep in goal scoring territory in a MLS soccer game on May 28, 2011 at Rio Tinto Stadium in Sandy, Utah. (Photo by Mike Terry/Getty Images)

On the whole, there are two words I would use to describe the Seattle Sounders' play over the month of May: sloppy and uninspired.  Yesterday, by and large, was no different; but the result was probably one of the better in this team's still short MLS history.

Lineup/Tactics:

It seems that Sigi Schmid has settled on the diamond midfield as his default shape, which probably follows the lack of wingers available on this team.  Alvaro Fernandez is far more suited to being a midfield shuttler and lacks the speed and aggressiveness to run at defenders effectively.  Brad Evans, although used as a wide midfielder often in the first half of '09, is far too much of a CM-type of player to be able to embrace the winger's role.  

The diamond is a narrower formation, and is actually designed to do two things: clog the middle with possession-oriented players; and facillitate the CAM to effectively run the attack.  The best 4-diamond-2's feature a dynamic CAM, a playmaker/scorer is is often the best player on the roster.  In the case of yesterday, it was Erik Friberg, who simply lacks the pedigree and ability to be that player.  Friberg probably had the worst match of anyone in green yesterday.

Montero was moved to the bench and gave way to Nate Jaqua, who came in alongside Mike Fucito in a bit of a return to the classic Sounders' striker duo of a bigger target man and a second striker.  However, with a true CAM in behind, the two forwards are largely expected to play along the same vertical axis.  It was Fucito who seemed to be the main engine in the attack early on, and despite a couple challenges verging on stupid he looked willing to do what it would take to try to make something happen, a trait that would eventually pay off.

The CB rotation saw Jeff Parke's and Patrick Ianni's names drawn, James Riley back at his usual RB spot, and Tyson Wahl resume at the LB spot he seems to have won over Leo Gonzalez.  As usual Osvaldo Alonso was in at CDM, a position which is a bit more rigid in the diamond midfield.

Star-divide

One of the elements of a high-quality diamond team is the ability of the fullbacks to get forward and provide width to the attack.  In fact, on many 4-diamond-2 and 4-1-2-3 teams (the two have a very similar shape to the midfield) one or both fullbacks often have a higher average positon than the CDM.  This has hardly been the case with the Sounders, whose fullbacks look to be instructed not to take chances.  Even more telling is that Alonso had 4 shots, tied for the team lead with Neagle.  

The starting iineup only lasted 18 minutes before Fernandez had to come off with a hamstring injury picked up in pregame warmups.  Lamar Neagle came on and probably proceded to be the team's best attacking player, which isn't necessarily expected out of one of your shuttlers in the diamond.  

What this team's formational approach is exactly is certainly open to much interpretation.  If nothing else, Sigi seems to be winging it tactically, hoping that a realitvely small part of his 28-man roster can contiune to grind out results.  One wonders how long that will last.

Match Play

The first half was dominated by sloppy play and the inability of either team to really get anything established.  The weather was no help, which seems a familiar tune for the Sounders this year.  A severely compromised RSL team couldn't do anything with their edge in possession.  At half-time this one certainly had the markings of 0-0 all over it.

It was after the second-half whistle that RSL seemed determined to get the result.  They came agonizingly close in the 51' when Keller got just enough of the ball to force an aggressive Jamison Olave header against the crossbar and out.  Keller seemed to once again get himself caught out by stepping off his line to pursue a ball coming in through the air, something that has been happening with alarming frequency lately.

Seven minutes later Olave would turn to goat as he was sent off for dragging down Fucito just outside the penalty area.  Fucito was trying desperately to make something out of very little, and had managed to get just enough of a touch to a 50-50 ball that he looked to have turned Olave, and was about to get by when he was dragged down.  A certain bookable offense anywhere on the pitch, the referree saw fit to upgrade the infraction given the proximity to the goal.

Even after seeing their opponents reduced to 10 men it looked as though the 0-0 result would still be acceptable to the Sounders.  Fredy Montero was brought on for the hard-working Fucito in the 70' and within a minute the Sounders would take the lead, however.

In all reality it was a good corner kick from Wahl and well-won header from Jaqua which lead to Ianni putting the Sounders out front on what is certainly best described as a bit of a jammy goal.  Given how close RSL had come to scoring on a handful of similar situations earlier in the match one can forgive them for cursing the gods for being a man down and goal down after 71 minutes.  

Just 12 minutes later Neagle would double the lead with an absolutely pornographic goal.  It was the kind of shot players like Montero have been geting paid good money to make, but to this point this season has largely eluded this team.  That it came from a player on somewhat of the margins must raise questions as to what other suprises lie in the depths of this roster.  Neagle's match yesterday was about far more than just one great shot, he put in a fabulous shift and for much of the match was the most dynamic player in the Sounder XI.  

With little more to do than see out a 2 goal lead against a depleted side, the Sounders nearly managed a rather tragicomic cock-up.  RSL's Nelson Gonzalez dribbled right around Ianni at the by line to the right of Keller's goal and then seemed almost surprised to find himself out in front of the goal with plenty of space to shoot.  Professional players ought not to miss from there, and while it is convienent to blame Ianni for getting beat it is also worth asking where his help was, considering that 3 other rave-green clad defenders where in the proximity.  

In fact, Keller was forced to make a couple of clutch saves in the dying minutes, and the 3 minutes of added time were far too panicky from a Sounders presepctive.  The final whistle couldn't have come soon enough.

The Result

It has been a busy month for this team and it is probably for the best not to dwell too much on how this team has performed on a match-to-match basis.  It could quite rightly be said that the soccer gods owed the Sounders something, and some of that debt was paid off yesterday.  Four points in their 3-match homestand was far too little, but some of that sting is taken off now with this result.  Given how the month started with an outright injury crisis in the attack, 8 points through 5 matches is probably very fair for this team.  How those results actually unfolded is a bit confounding, but until we see a continued streak of higher-quality play from this team this is just how it is going to be. 

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Remember earlier this year when we couldn’t catch a break? All the amazing saves from opposition keepers, all the bad bounces, etc. Many said at the time that it wasn’t something to dwell on too much. That’s the game and we’ll have those same lucky breaks come around sooner or later.

That was last night. Enjoy the points. :)

by Derek Young on May 29, 2011 3:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I feel last last night was vindication for the FCD game on Wednesday

where we got the opposite result. It felt good, but somehow unfulfilling.

by chrisperry1983 on May 29, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d just gotten the taste out of my mouth from that match.

by Derek Young on May 29, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

given the consistently sloppy and seemingly unenergetic level of play from this team...

they basically are at the whims of the soccer gods, and the apparently rondomized sequeence of results this last month is very indicative of what you see in a parity league like MLS. I expect this to continue until they figure something out…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on May 29, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't call this story "bashing"

And what stories would you call bashing?

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 30, 2011 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounder bashing is a bit harsh

But this post is a no fun to read. We just beat one of the leagues better teams unexpectedly and I didn’t think our play was all that bad ( though I only caught the last thirty minutes). Sure we got lucky but so did RSL…that’s soccer.

by Zakuani11Fan on May 30, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

...and here's another legit point

We beat a 10-man RSL side already troubled by injuries and international absences, with whom we were tied (and having the worse of the run of play) until they got a man sent off. We managed it on the strength of the luckiest of “rebound goals” and one individual bit of brilliance by a bench player. And, then, we almost blew a 2-0 lead in the last ten minutes of the match.

A win is a win is a win…but, aside from Neagle’s strike, anyone who thinks we played well on Saturday night is deluding themselves. As is anyone who believes the side RSL sent out in that game was “one of the league’s better teams.”

by regnaD kciN on May 30, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

im so glad that sigi put neagle in over levesque

and i agree about the hidden gems on the roster. hopefully we will get to see more of them soon!

by Sandra_R on May 29, 2011 7:00 PM PDT reply actions  

So glad we have Wahl

The corner service he’s been giving has been saving us. He’s been providing that extra ball that gives us the winning goal that we couldn’t get from anyone before him. Also, he’s as good if not better than Leo. It’s interesting to see that with all of the injuries and changes up front, it’s really one of the changes in back that have been helping us tremendously.

by Toxtr3m34u on May 29, 2011 8:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree. Clearly the best corner taker I have seen on this team.

I think he has clearly won the LB position and should start as many games as he is physically able.

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by AKSupporter on May 29, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a realist too, but...

This is the most depressing review of a win I have ever read!

by Dave Hayes on May 29, 2011 8:57 PM PDT reply actions  

It's teie

It’s really depressing, but then again, that neagle shot was one helluva shot. If he has the balls to take that one, hopefully he keeps taken shots and getting lucky now and again (to add to the goals he’ll get with skills).

by Toxtr3m34u on May 29, 2011 9:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Quite apart from the subject being discussed,

this column contains some of the best writing I’ve seem at SAH in the past two years. It’s one of the reasons I stay stuck on this site.

by wmknickers on May 29, 2011 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously?

Better writing than Dave and Jeremiah? Or even sidereal, Dizzo, and Aaron? That’s your call as far as your opinion goes and I respect that, but I REALLY have to disagree. No offense to Jake because it seems like he really is trying and I’ll give him kudos for that, but the writing is very unorganized and not very well planned out. It’s all over the place. Further, his grasp of tactics, formations, and positions is a bit suspect and mostly just leave me shaking my head. Usually I’ll just move on as I don’t feel like criticizing someone publicly, but this story is just plain depressing and the description of formations, tactics, and positions is just plain mind boggling. Or is that mind bottling?

Sorry Jake, not trying to be harsh. But you DO have some good writers on here in Dave and Jeremiah that you could learn from.

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by SoundersRiot on May 30, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

THIS

is how you have a discussion on the internet.

by agtk on May 30, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good weekend to be on the road

I just noticed that the home sides were something like 0-4-5 this weekend. This includes the fall of Rio Tinto but also a home loss for the Timbers. That in spite of the new MLS rule allowing unlimited PK retakes for missed Timber penalties in front of a chainsaw wielding mad man. It was ugly for the Sounders, but definitely a beautiful weekend in my book.

by Sounder Abroad on May 29, 2011 11:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Did notice some oddities

Didn’t realize it was that extreme of a home record.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 30, 2011 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fernandez and Friberg

Far be it from me to protect Sigi, as I hate his wing-it-until-something-works tactics more than anybody – but if there were better players to play at winger, he’d play them.

Despite the sloppy passing, I think Fernandez has a skill set few in this team have. When he’s healthy, he needs to be on the pitch.

As for Friberg, I think he’s been plain unlucky not to have a few goals and assists by now. Sure, he overcommits to some tackles and gives up possession cheaply now and then. But that describes almost everyone in our side right now.

Would you rather play a rookie or Roger there? That’s what we’d get. I don’t think flipping a new midfield out there every match is conducive to finding form.

Eternal Blue, Forever Green. Sounders 'Til I Die.

by Michael Wiegand on May 30, 2011 7:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't think we should rotate midfield endlessly

But Friberg has been given way too much leash. Flaco, imo, is our most talented midfielder when healthy. Friberg, right now, is no more than our fifth or sixth best. Assuming relatively full health, no way he should be starting in front of Rosales, Evans or Fernandez and maybe not even Neagle. He has some obvious skills, but so far his deficiencies have far outweighed his contributions.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 30, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He was playing much better at the start of the season

I don’t know if the drop in form is due to fatigue or something else. I think a game or two coming on from the bench might help improve his play in the long run.

by Dizzo on May 30, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who goes on the right, if not Friberg?

Rosales has been just as bad, if not worse, than Friberg of late.

Evans is better at CM than he is at RM.

Neagle, while proving decent, is still a rookie and will make his share of mistakes if he starts.

Carrasco didn’t offer anything in attack on the right when Sigi played him (out of position) there.

Levesque has been a waster all year no matter where Sigi puts him.

Estrada has played RM before. Where’s he been?

For that matter, where’s Mike Seamon been?

At a certain point, if Sigi isn’t gonna pull kids out of the woodwork, continuity has to be valued over experimentation.

Stick with Friberg until he finds form, IMO.

Eternal Blue, Forever Green. Sounders 'Til I Die.

by Michael Wiegand on May 30, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rosales has been hurt

When healthy, he’s clearly an upgrade over Friberg, who has not provided anything positive in well over a month.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 30, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

not a fan of this

so follow the lead of middling baseball teams and keep a guy in the lineup to “work out of his slump” when there is very real evidence that is isn’t a slump at all? We have a 28-man roster, and without the threat of getting benched or sent to the reserve matches, what real system is there to reward production and punish poor form? This is supposed to be professional soccer, and it is supposed to be a performance-based meritocracy. I don’t get why certain players should be “protected” from poor performance.

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on May 30, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

On this note-

Will we see an updated depth chart from you guys anytime soon? As far as I can tell there are some changes from this one.

by el pato on May 30, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Seems like a depth chart at this point is almost useless

with the naggling injuries we have. Health, fatigue, and matchups seem to be more important than 1st team vs. reserve.

by agtk on May 30, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

You don't think Sigi has a system?

The past month + certainly no, but this –

I hate his wing-it-until-something-works tactics more than anybody
is just odd

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by Dave Clark on May 30, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

If anything, most of us were complaining about tactical inflexibility at the start of this run of injuries.

by Tohoya on May 30, 2011 11:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

4-4-1-1, Flat 4-4-2, 3-5-2, Concave 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-Diamond-2...

He’s tried all of those in a space of a few months.

To me, if he has a system with the current personnel available, it’s very fly-by-night.

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by Michael Wiegand on May 30, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem...

He hasn’t had consistent personnel available.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 30, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, not exactly...

the “3-5-2” he’s used has only been the "late in game searching for a goal version, although it must be said that 3-4-1-2 can be seen as a tweak of the diamond. 4-4-1-1 and 4-2-3-1 are closely related, as are “concave 4-3-3” and the diamond. I’m not entirely sure when we’ve ever used a “flat” 4-4-2. All in all, there haven’t been any real drastic shifts, but really rather tweaks and evolutions.

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on May 30, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to quible

But I’d say the Alonso-Carrasco pairings were essentially flat 4-4-2s, even if one of them was supposed to be getting forward.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 30, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

what we would call a "bucket"

the idea being that two holders allow your outside mids to play as wingers… but we’re going in circles on what amounts to semantics

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on May 30, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

what I want is speed and aggressiveness, along with technical ability

Fernandez has technical ability but no speed or aggressiveness, and he tends to play a “hold up” style which is lousy for a winger but works as a shuttler in a diamond. If we are going to really run this diamond we need a far better CAM. Friberg may have aggressiveness but he plays sloppy and reckless. I am very unimpressed with what I have seen out of Friberg all year.

On the whole, the combo of the two in the midfield is quite poor. Fernandez, when surrounded by the right kind of players, can be good. But we haven’t really seen that. To me he has been as bland as plain yogurt… whether it is fair or not, I think the boring football this team is playing is exemplified by Fernandez and the diamond

Evans isn’t gifted enough to overcome this, he is a player who “fits in” very nicely but rarely rises above the players around him.

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on May 30, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't really get what's worng with playing "rookies"

if a guy can play he can play, if he can inject some life into the lineup – as Neagle did Saturday – then play him. Neagle has been through a lot to make this roster, I chafe somewhat at calling him a “rookie”.

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on May 30, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He's 24

And wrcked up plenty of goals in the 2nd division. He’s just made it to journeyman status. He’s no more a rookie than say Levesque or Le Toux were in 2009.

by Dizzo on May 30, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well...

he’s more of a rookie than Levesque, who was about five years older

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 30, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see more of Neagle after last night.

But I’m not sure where Sigi would use him as a starter.

by Zakuani11Fan on May 30, 2011 11:33 AM PDT reply actions  

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