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Update: Salk was on the Bob & Groz show later to talk about his comments and this post. You can hear it here at around 29:35. He sort of apologizes for going beyond his criticism of the WIAA rule and trashing soccer in general. That's fair enough. He obviously doesn't like the sport, but he doesn't have to, and I'm not going to trash him for it as long as he avoids the 'wussy' crap. And credit to Groz, who's always been a decent supporter of the Sounders in an unfriendly environment. But none of that changes the fact that the radio support of the team and sport is absolutely embarrassing in this town with the support this team gets.

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"Soccer is the wussiest, stupidest sport." That was the quote — uttered by 710ESPN's Mike Salk — that finally drove me over the edge this morning as I was driving to work.

Since ESPN bought out what was once KIRO 710 in 2009 and turned it into a full-time sports station, Seattle's been fortunate enough (or unfortunate enough) to have two stations dedicated to sports talk radio — the other being KJR 950.

While much of sports radio drives me crazy and I'm happy to be able to turn it off and switch over to KEXP fairly often during my commute, the fact that there's two means that I can instead just switch over to the other one during the 85% of air time dedicated to divorce lawyer commercials or the 10% dedicated to crazy people calling in from Bothell to tell the Seahawks and Mariners GMs how to do their jobs.

Any Sounders fan knows that Seattle sports radio is pretty much a wasteland for soccer coverage. Despite the fact that the Sounders draw more fans per game than the Mariners and the town doesn't even have an NBA team anymore and never had an NHL team (despite winning a Stanley Cup in 1917), you won't hear word one about the Sounders during any of the general sports coverage.

Star-divide

Both stations have a show dedicated to the Sounders. 710 is technically the Sounders' radio partner, as you'll see on their media page, and it broadcasts a weekly show. But it's clear that the show is ghettoized. It's on at noon on Saturday, which is why even as a staunch Sounders fan I've never heard more than 10 minutes of it, because I'm never near a radio at noon on a Saturday. And I've never heard a single word of promotion of the show from either advertising spots or any of the other hosts. There is no interaction with the show from anyone or anything else at the station, which screams 'contractual obligation'.

KJR, meanwhile, has a new segment this season in which they bring Arlo White on for half an hour on Thursday afternoons to answer questions and actually interact with host Mike 'Gas Man' Gastineau. And while Mike's questions are of the "what's this soccer I've heard so much about?" variety, he's at least respectful and makes an effort. And the calls they take are from knowledgeable Sounders fans with good questions and tend to highlight the quality of fan the team has in this area.

 

So my inclination has been leaning towards KJR anyway. But to hear such contempt this morning for a sport that so many people in this town love was the final straw. Admittedly my perception of the station is heavily weighted by what I hear in the morning commute — which is Brock & Salk being actively hostile to soccer and the Sounders when the topic rarely comes up — and in the afternoon commute — which is the outstanding and onetime voice of the Sounders Kevin Calabro just pretending the team doesn't exist.

So I pulled 710 off of my presets, which means to listen to it I'll have to manually tune to it, which has a chance of happening when Hell freezes over. I recommend you do the same (or at least limit your 710 listening to the Sounders show and Mariners games).

So long ESPN710 until you can give more than middle finger to the city's third most popular sports franchise.

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Salk was great when he first came to town...

… but the last couple of months he’s been damn near unbearable. His Ichiro rant on Twitter on Sunday (that continued in to his show the next morning) is a great example of that. Frankly, both sports stations are pretty hard for me to listen to any more.

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by c_dowley on May 5, 2011 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Ichiro rant? Why?

Ichiro is good. I admit I’ve only really starting watching the Mariners (and baseball) this season, but even I can see that he’s the best player on the team.

by Dizzo on May 5, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rant was embarrassing.

Ichiro was unable to make a catch and the Mariners lost the game. Ichiro couldn’t see, thanks to the sun being in a terrible position for outfielders. Salk’s take: ICHIRO GETS PAID $20 MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE THAT CATCH.

by Brian Floyd on May 5, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently by Salk logic

once you make a certain amount of money, you gain superhuman eyesight and are able to see beyond the visible color spectrum, meaning you should be able to catch anything hit in the air.

by BrianL on May 5, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The worst part about this

Was his insistence that Ichiro could/should have done more to catch the ball. I’m sure that he can play RF better than a 10-time all-star…

by KingChup on May 5, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, ten gold gloves.

Because apparently have ten gold gloves makes you able to just ignore the sun.

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by c_dowley on May 5, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The hilarious thing is if Ichiro had pulled up and made it clear to everyone he couldn't see the ball

rather than try to hang in there and hope for a miracle, Salk wouldn’t be pissed.

by BrianL on May 5, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, he still would have given him hell for it for "giving up on the play".

Because Salk is like that. He’s not as bad as someone like Cowherd or Rome, but he’s not a lot better.

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by c_dowley on May 5, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

People hate him because he hits 200 singles a year

And that does not help the team win. The face of the franchise should be more than that.

by B-Lot tailgater on May 5, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Put it this way

Would you rather have Griffey in his prime or Ichiro in his prime?

by B-Lot tailgater on May 6, 2011 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I want good baseball players.

Ichiro has been very, very good for ten seasons and has been worth every penny paid to him. The only thing he doesn’t do is hit a prolific number of home runs.

It’s really a shame that people are so caught up in their narrow definitions of what makes a good baseball player. They’re missing out on enjoying perhaps the most unique talent of a generation.

by BrianL on May 6, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

He is definitely talented and skilled

But I also believe its no coincidence that aside from his rookie year in 2001 that the Mariners have not sniffed the playoffs since he arrived. I also think its not a coincidence the managers office has a revolving door since then as well.

Singles hitters are great, but they should never be the best player on the team.

by B-Lot tailgater on May 6, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absurd

Just absurd. It’s his fault he’s the best player on the team and happens to be a singles hitter? Really?

by TheTank123 on May 6, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’ll just leave it with there is a big difference between awesome statistically and a good baseball player worth being the face of the franchise.

by B-Lot tailgater on May 6, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's good

because Felix is both statistically awesome AND the face of the franchise.

by TheTank123 on May 6, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey Salk read this list and tell me Ichiro sucks

10× MLB All-Star selection (2001–2010)
10× MLB Gold Glove Award winner (2001–2010)
3× MLB Silver Slugger Award winner (2001, 2007, 2009)
2× MLB Batting Champion (2001, 2004)
7× MLB Hits leader (2001, 2004, 2006–2010)
3× Fielding Bible Award (2006, 2009–2010)
2001 AL MVP
2001 AL Rookie of the Year
2001 AL Outstanding Rookie Players Choice Award
2001 AL Stolen Base Champion
2004 AL Outstanding Player Players Choice Award
2005 Commissioner’s Historic Achievement Award
2005 Defensive Player Of The Year (MLB.com This Year in Baseball Awards)
2007 MLB All-Star Game MVP
2010 Dependable Player Of The Year (MLB.com This Year in Baseball Awards)
Single-season MLB record with 262 hits (2004)
10 Total Seasons of 200 or more hits (shares MLB record)
10 Consecutive Seasons of 200 or more hits (MLB record)
10 Consecutive Seasons of .300+ batting average
AL Record Consecutive Stolen Bases (45)
 
k thanks bye.

by majora999 on May 5, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh yea

and all those 10x/10 consecutive seasons? that’s every season he’s been in the league so far

by majora999 on May 5, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Salk has always been a giant d-bag

Always secretly popping boners for anything east coast. I can’t stand the guy. For a radio personality such as himself to say those words is unbelievable. I never listen to him, and will certainly never listen to him now nor anything on 710 until he’s gone.

Sidenote – I wonder if ignorant people realize they are ignorant? Or do they just go through life in their own weird little fantasy world?

by chrisperry1983 on May 5, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Completely agree..

I listen to local sports radio at work nearly everyday and its frustrating as a sounders fan to never have any representation on the radio. I understand that most of the hosts don’t know much about soccer and therefore don’t want to discuss it but you would think they would make a better attempt when they looked at the comparison of attendance between the sounders and the mariners. I’ve always preferred 710 but after that comment this morning I am also switching to 950. Maybe someday soccer will be a little more mainstream and I wont have to work as hard to find good Sounders coverage, or at least respect.

by Ben Slager on May 5, 2011 11:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Agreed!

Also, Ron and Don, the afternoon guys on 97.3, frequently are derisive of soccer.

by CA81 on May 5, 2011 12:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Ron and Don are complete tools

in general. I cannot stand those guys at all. You’ve got Ron, who says the most idiotic things and backs them up with the most ridiculous logic, and Don, a meathead who can barely string a sentence together unless it’s about his spin cycle classes.

by chrisperry1983 on May 5, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Years ago, they used to do a sports talk show on KJR on Saturday's

From there they got hired in California and then they came back up where they are now. Just know that radio heads like to say controversial things because it get’s them noticed. I have known them to say things they didn’t even believe because it spurred discussion.

by Coug1990 on May 5, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they sell their souls for the show.

I get it that hosts try to be edgy and that they have a show to put on. But really, the stuff these clowns have said is ridiculous. It’s not ridiculous as in they’re concerned about Obama being born in the US, but ridiculous as in they think we should limit freedom of speech because they don’t like what some people have said or protested or whatever.

by chrisperry1983 on May 5, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Where was the game on Radio last night?

The paper said 97.3 but it was just the two nimrods.

by Soccer Island on May 5, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had the same problem

I was hoping to catch the kick-off while I was in the car. No luck :(

by Dizzo on May 5, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I need East Coast games on the radio!

I can’t make it home for the early starts and would love to be able to listen to Arlo on the radio. Does anyone know who I can contact to see why there isn’t a radio broadcast?

by Soccer Island on May 5, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same with me yesterday.

I guess the Sounders only get on air is on weekend?

by Coug1990 on May 5, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

99.3 FM ... if you habla español.

Which I do, a tiny bit (enough to follow the radio coverage, at least, which is mostly players’ names anyways).

Kind of off topic, but I had some thoughts on Twitter along these lines last night (@KennethMJung) — I would love to hear the Spanish-language guys do a broadcast in English, if only to get a sense of how some of the players are perceived. I get the sense that much of my attitude towards soccer is drawn from European (or, more specifically, English) sources. I think that it’s potentially a big advantage for the US to be able to draw from multiple soccer traditions, but the language barrier prevents me from fully absorbing and appreciating Latin American soccer traditions — I’m not aware of any easily accessible English-language FMF TV coverage, for example, and one Argentinian game (usually whoever Boca is playing that day) a week with FSC announcers isn’t much to go on either.

Would love to hear other people’s thoughts on this topic. I can break this out into its own fanpost if that’s appropriate.

by Kenneth Jung on May 5, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like an interesting fanpost to me

I don’t speak any Spanish, but I would be really curious to see how the Latino community views the Sounders. They might have a completely different view of the players, the coach, etc.

I also used to love watching Boca games back when I had FSC. Unfortunately, I had to go with the recession special cable package a couple years ago. :-(

by Dizzo on May 5, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, the Argentine game of the week has been gone this year...

You have to have the TyC Sports version that’s only available on a Spanish language package on one of the dish providers. I miss it a lot. Roger Valdivieso did fantastic work for FSC doing both that game and an English voiceover on the Argentine weekly. If FSC had him as their main guy for all they do, I would watch it a lot more.

What’s weird to me is how soccer fans in this country watch all the England and some other Euro stuff, but are completely unaware when it comes to things like the Copa Libertadores. There’s some amazing football going on down South, but unless you have a Spanish-language package as your main cable/dish (and therefore get goltv – Brasil and Colombia, plus this weekend’s big Uruguayan clasico – and Fox Deportes – Libertadores), you really have no way of seeing anything from the latin countries other than the primera division mexicana, and even then, es en espanol.

A bit of a digression, but that disconnect between the separate soccer audiences is weird for me, especially since I’m moving to South America in July.

by mistuhp on May 5, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Copa Lib is excellent

Except for this stupid Cerro Porteno/Estudiantes game.

by Graham MacAree on May 5, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ha. There are definitely some stinkers in there....

My problem is I’m too busy (finishing up my job here, getting rid of most of my possessions, studying language a bit, trying to do basic paperwork toward my visa with a less-than-responsive bureaucracy) to do much more than watch the fireworks and tifo at the beginning, then goal-forward through the game.

by mistuhp on May 5, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, you didn't miss much in this tie

0-0 for 180 minutes and then one missed penalty between the two teams. That said, yesterday’s matches were brilliant.

by Graham MacAree on May 5, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Atletico Juniors-Jaguares made up for it though

That was one of the most insane games I’ve ever had the pleasure of seeing

by Graham MacAree on May 5, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously...

Completely tied at min. 135…. 2-2 jaguares up on away goals, then keeper drops ball to striker’s foot, now down. Keeper tries to attack coach when he’s pulled (if ever a keeper needed to be pulled, after that howler, it’s justified). Damn near a brawl, during which there’s a pitch invasion. 10v10 after two reds in altercation. Then Jaguares pull off the third goal to advance in Barranquilla on away goals. Don’t get much better than that.

Even the Estudiantes-Cerro Porteno first leg was awful (usually on the other continent team I can get something out of the architecture and crowd, but that stadium Estudiantes are forced by the city to play in is awful and kills the atmosphere). Always nice to see one on the good end of that spectrum right after it.

by mistuhp on May 6, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ron and Don should never be allowed to talk about sports, period.

Those two are often insufferable but anytime they talk about any sort of competitive sports topic they are just awful.

by BrianL on May 5, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

NPR FTW

I gave up on the rest of radio, aside from Mariner and Seahawk games, long ago.

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Nos audietis in altum

by Seattle Coug on May 5, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed!

Terrestrial radio is bullshit surrounded by advertising. What I’d love to see is MLS getting a package on SiriusXM like all the other pro sports leagues have, so you can get live PBP for all MLS matches. Hell, part of the reason I signed up for XM four years ago was so I could listen to Mariners games in Reno.

by BroadwayJoeFYVM on May 5, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gas

I like the way Gas has embraced the sport. He pretty clearly had never watched it and there were some things he was frustrated by (mostly the same things that frustrate soccer fans) but it’s clear he gets it now and is pretty much the only sports talk guy willing to give it an airing.

I think a lot of his questions are actually based on the premise that most of his listeners probably don’t know much about the game. In that way he’s setting up Arlo for explanation. For example, last season I heard him talk about an offside call where he clearly demonstrated a high level understanding of the rule, but this season he’s played dumb to set up Arlo.

A lot of radio is set up that way to make it sound more interesting.

PS I’m done with Salk as well. I don’t care if they like soccer… but don’t insult the rest of us with their ignorance and expect us to not respond in kind.

by Derek Young on May 5, 2011 12:21 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Was there any "evidence" to support his opinion?

Did he follow “Soccer is the wussiest, stupidest sport” up with any semblance of logic? I’m assuming it was the same BS about players diving that we always hear…

by KingChup on May 5, 2011 12:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Apparently WIAA (Washington high school soccer)

has a rule that if a team accumulates 3 red cards its season is over.

It’s a dumb rule, but Salk pivoted from that to some pretty pure soccer hate.

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by sidereal on May 5, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

3 reds for violent conduct

Or abusive language. It doesn’t end the season, it removes playoff eligibility.

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by Dave Clark on May 5, 2011 1:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That's a really sad bit of reasoning

He determines that anyone who plays the sports is a “wuss” because of a rule designed to protect kids (!) playing the sport. How does he feel about the Lystedt Law in WA State designed to prevent concussions and post-concussion syndrome in HS athletes? It’s a sad mentality to think of all athletes as gladiators.

by KingChup on May 5, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

3 reds

This is actually kind of a big deal in Gig Harbor who is up against the rule. Basically WIAA wanted to crack down on what it decided was growing excessive violence. Things had in fact gotten out of hand for a while. The problem being when it’s put into practice. The GHHS boys picked up their second on what’s widely perceived to be a poor call. Might turn out to be nothing, but it’s certainly got people talking.

Here’s some more info. http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/04/28/1643486/possible-soccer-ban-has-some-seeing.html

by Derek Young on May 5, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a bit more love for the sport than my cohort notes

Dick Fain has me on occasionally
Softy has Gaschk on weekly
Ian had Riley on last year
Groz talks about the game in a non-dismissive manner
Gas also talks to players

It is notable that one station clearly dominates soccer talk. Sadly the other one is listed as an Official Partner of the team.

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by Dave Clark on May 5, 2011 12:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Do know the best avenue to communicate with these radio stations to either congratulate them on their soccer coverage or complain?

by Ben Slager on May 5, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

If anything Baseball is way more of a wussy sport than soccer

There is no almost physical contact in baseball except when someone gets hit with a ball, and maybe a couple tag outs. The only way you really get hurt is if you hurt yourself running, or are very very unlucky with a pitch.

I have never really listened to the radio anyways.

by majora999 on May 5, 2011 1:17 PM PDT reply actions  

How about we flood 710's phones?

What if we could get this blog’s support as well as ECS support and flood Brock and Salk with phone calls tomorrow talking about the Sounders, asking about the wussiness of Zakuani and just calling out his ignorance? We can show 710 that there are a lot of Sounders fans and we shouldn’t be insulted.

by nuomnicron on May 5, 2011 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Need to do something

rather than just turning the dial. Just turning the dial doesn’t remind them that we have 36,000+ people at every game, that there are a lot of Sounders fans who listen to sports radio and we are aren’t going to take getting insulted like this.

by nuomnicron on May 5, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

they are a business supported by ratings

if their ratings go down they change. If the ratings don’t they won’t.

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by Dave Clark on May 5, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not changing the dial

I probably think a little different than most. Those things just don’t bother me much. I can separate the idiotic things that they say from the station and the person. In other words, I am not going to stop listening to Jim Moore and Kevin Calabro just because Salk says something stupid. I am not going to stop listening to Bob and Groz just because Salk says something stupid.

To me they are separate. Also, I don’t hate Salk. There are things he says that I agree with and there are things that he says that I disagree with. Wow. I just described my childhood and my parents. I am guessing that it describes most of our childhoods or relationships with your own children.

Just think of him as that crazy relative that we all have. We all love him, but we also know at times he will do something that will leave us shaking our heads.

by Coug1990 on May 5, 2011 1:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't hate him either

But he’s not my uncle. My uncle I’m obligated to listen to because he’s family. I pay 710 (in the sense that I spend time listening to their terrible commercials, which pays their bills) to entertain and inform me. And there’s a small limit to how much I’m willing to pay someone else to insult me, and it’s been crossed.

I don’t think it’s too much to ask that the city’s third most popular sports franchise gets as much coverage as the NHL, much less avoiding actively insulting it.

Nos Audietis

by sidereal on May 5, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that he was your uncle. I said to think of him as one. Not literally of course. But, separate the good analysis he does

from the soccer hating that he does.

I remember Jim Moore write articles about not liking soccer. On air earlier this week, he talked about last weekend taking his young twins to a Sounders match and loving it.

by Coug1990 on May 5, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree with this take.

Salk is a radio host. Not a guest. Not an analyst. He’s the host. As such he’s supposed to present and comment upon what is happening in the local sports scene.

As a host you don’t get to simply say, I don’t like sport x so I don’t talk about it.

As an example, I can’t stand golf. I don’t play it and can’t even imagine the appeal of watching others play it. At the same time, were I a radio host, I would understand that it is my responsibility to cover the major golf tournaments and the PGA tour in general. I don’t get to say, “I don’t like this, so you don’t get to have anyone talk about it.”

Salk needs to keep his general tastes to himself and do his f-ing job. We don’t have a lot of major league sports teams in this town. Soccer is clearly one of them. Don’t like it? Too bad. Salk likes to talk about NHL hockey. We don’t have a hockey team. Perhaps Salk would be happier in a town like Phoenix, or Atlanta, or Miami. Then he could talk about teams he likes and not feel the need to dismiss those the doesn’t.

As it is, he took a job in a town with no NHL team and with the most popular soccer team in the country. That’s on him, not me or you.

Do Portland sports radio hosts get to ignore the Timbers?

by Jack Brando on May 5, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

A sports radio host is NOT a journalist, well, not intrinsically

They don’t have to cover anything, no matter how popular it is. They don’t have to give equal coverage, nor should they avoid biases.

They need to do one thing, create interest in the broadest listener base possible and get them to keep tuning in every day. In the 90s on national shows (Jim Rome) this meant insulting soccer because literally more people wanted to hear soccer get insulted than wanted to not hear about it.

That should no longer be the case, specifically in Seattle. There is no evidence that traditional sports fans hate the sport any longer. There is also plenty of evidence that by accepting the sport a station would gain NEW listeners.

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by Dave Clark on May 5, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was listening this morning and if I remember correctly, this quote was him reading a listeners text message.

Salk is one of the best thing that has happened to Seattle’s blogosphere with him cross posting with Dave Cameron and Jeff Sullivan and to be among the first to not treat bloggers like freaks. It sucks that he feels this way about soccer but I find it a lot less offensive than I do when I hear the first announcer in Sounders history ripping on them.

And while KJR might give the SSFC a little bit more coverage I refuse to take them seriously until they decide that they don’t want to run their radio station like a frat house.

by Robert on May 5, 2011 2:34 PM PDT reply actions  

We were interviewing bloggers (spefically Zumsteg, Cameron, and other BP guys, also Neyer)

when Salk was still in college.

What Salk is doing is not new

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by Dave Clark on May 5, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah why did they even come up with the Bigger Dance?

It has nothing to do it sports…it seems like a concept a couple teenage boys would come up with

by SeahawksPhan on May 5, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a theory that sports talk radio is actually "mens talk radio"

and that’s why many stations talk about women, sports, beer, etc

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by Dave Clark on May 5, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you want "men's talk radio"

May I suggest The Men’s Room on 99.9fm. Not a sports talk show but they actually like the Sounders. They also have their own beer which is awesome. There’s a reason they are number 1 in the afternoons too.

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by Solidcoug on May 5, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Men's Room is the best thing on the radio.

I know Ted is close friends with some of the ECS leadership and they have been pimping the Sounders/Portland game for a while now.

Actually now that I think about it I hear more Sounders talk with them than I do on any of the other stations, AM included.

by Robert on May 5, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ratings. They get huge ratings for the dance.

I do not pay attention, but it does drive ratings.

by Coug1990 on May 5, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

My ties were much stronger to David Locke

medium mattered to Mitch, Locke cared about quality

I did work one bigger dance, which was hard for me.

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by Dave Clark on May 5, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you still keep in contact with Locke? I always liked listening to him.

Congrats to him being one of the Voices of the Jazz. He got a raw deal with the Sonics and Bennett.

by Coug1990 on May 5, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I do

Not frequently enough, but yes.

He taught me quite a bit about how to discuss sports

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by Dave Clark on May 5, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember the context

It wasn’t a quote of someone else. The segment was about stupid/weird stuff in sports. I don’t know if the segment was triggered by a text message or something, but the “wussiest, stupidest” comment was absolutely Salk expressing his own opinion.

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by sidereal on May 5, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are correct.

I went back and listened to the podcast. I was in the dentist chair so my memory was a bit fuzzy.

by Robert on May 5, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

agree

everyone is entitled to opinions. If Salk doesn’t like soccer, get over it! He rips on the marines and hawks too. Hes trying to get a rise out of you…and its working!!!

by kliss on May 5, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one asked him to like soccer

And when he rips on the Mariners or Seahawks it is about their game or personel decisions, not the sport they play.

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by Dave Clark on May 5, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately

I’m afraid that Mike Salk may only benefit from that sort of sentiment because a large portion of his audience seems to harbor the same animosity towards soccer. Maybe if the show catered to Sounders fans a little more this type of rhetoric would be problematic for them. Then again, there are a lot of Sounders fans who are also Mariner and Seahawks fans.

by Boz86 on May 5, 2011 6:36 PM PDT reply actions  

It also doesn't help that a large portion of the fanbase isn't actually educated in tatics and the such.

I literally live and die with the Sounders but if they started talking hardcore tactics I and I imagine a large portion of the sports radio listening public would be lost. It’s harder to visualize strategy in your head than it is with football or baseball.

 They need to gradually grow into a media presence. Thrusting it into people’s face will not help the sport anymore than a small media presence will.

by Robert on May 5, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait, is this The Robert?

Did Aaron hijack your account? You sound way more even-keeled on this issue than I’m used to :)

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 5, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

No podcast!!

There are so many podcasts on mynorthwest.com, but no podcast for Matt Johnson’s Sounders FC Weekly. I always forget to tune in on Saturday’s at 8am. If they had a podcast I would subscribe (as would many of us I expect).

by K61 on May 5, 2011 10:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed,

I’ve looked for it before too, and it annoys me that they haven’t added it yet.

by Mind of no mind on May 6, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well we see a Podcast? To paraphrase Eeyore "It will never happen"

I think this is the third year that Matt Johnson has been putting some type of Sounder show together that has been on KIRO FM or KIRO AM and KIRO still will not post a podcast of the show. Yet there are podcasts for almost every other local show on the Mynorthwest.com website. Why?

The poor treatment that the Sounders get from KIRO is insulting. KIRO treats Sounder programing like a relative in the family that no one likes or wants to spend time with, yet has to. Outside of listening to M’s and Hawks games is it any surprise that I rarely listen to their regular programming? Why should I listen to their stations and programming when they refuse to spend even a minimal amount of time discussing a sport and local team that I have an interest in?

Coverage and support of the Sounders on KIRO gets a D- grade.

by Kiliman2004 on May 7, 2011 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sad to hear it

I was in the states briefly last summer and was thrilled to hear World Cup score updates on KJR, reports from South Africa by Softy and even an interview with Kasey that explained how Tim Howard was the key to the thrilling team USA goal against Algeria. I was hopeful that Sounders attendance records and the World Cup would get soccer its deserved place on sports radio, but I guess that hasn’t happened.

by Sounder Abroad on May 6, 2011 5:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Keep his Yapper Shut

I realize this is pretty far down the comments section but I heard most of the Salk comments when he was clarifying his point of view with the "wussification of America". His point, this time, was not so much about soccer but about how a majority of ‘do-gooders’ are trying to water down sports again. Contact sports contain contact, we can try and minimize the contact and make is safer, but we shouldn’t be changing the rules drastically to coddle the players. I think the argument was coddling vs safety. I tend to agree with him on that particular point.
Much of what Mike Salk says is intended to give a rise out of the listeners. A sports shock jock. He is a protagonist on almost every subject. He won’t just play the part of a devil advocate – he IS the devil’s advocate. The word "soccer" should not be uttered around Salk. He ranks soccer below watching paint dry. I don’t have a problem with him not liking the sport, but I do have a problem with his hate and a giant microphone in front of him. Just keep his yapper shut. And as somebody else pointed out if isn’t like he’s not liking the lineup, or frustrated at tactical decisions; instead he hates the sport and speaks about his dislike of the sport. This is the wrong market for that. Soccer should be highlighted and supported. It is crazy that the Sonics left town and I hear more about basketball than soccer. I RARELY hear about soccer on 710 and it shocks me they are the Sounders partner. But Sounder fans haven’t embraced mynorthwest.com either. Did you know Sigi has a column on the site? I never see comments on stories on the site. Part fan problem and part 710 issue. I try and not listen to Salk and I often prefer 950 for sports talk. Nothing pleased me more than Arlo kicking Salk’s ass in his own call in tournament. My hope in the future is Matt Johnson’s show is played at a more fan friendly time.

by ravegreen1 on May 6, 2011 7:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Bottom line is soccer is not a talk radio subject

The general perception is still that few care and it will have listeners changing the dial. Talking Mariners and NBA playoffs guarantees listeners.

by B-Lot tailgater on May 6, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Except that perception is based on a reality that no longer exists

The Sounders TV ratings are actually quite good. The gate extraordinary. People don’t change the dial for Sounders games (those ratings are good too).

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by Dave Clark on May 6, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Possibly

I know that locally the Sounders TV ratings are pretty good, but how do they compare to the Mariners? And how does that correspond to radio ratings? I honestly have no idea, I have never looked at the numbers side by side.

Also how much of it is stubbornness among radio execs who just assume no one wants to hear about soccer?

You and I know how popular it is, but that doesn’t mean people who don’t watch think it is popular.

by B-Lot tailgater on May 6, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I read your post this morning

I woke up this morning and read your post on my iPhone. I figured I would go over to mynorthwest.com to see if there was anything cool and Sounders related I could put in the Friday links post. I noticed that they really haven’t integrated anything Sounders related into their mobile platform. I could find easy links to NHL soccer scores and stats, but couldn’t find the scoreline from Wednesday’s Sounders game. The most I saw was an article link to a basic recap from the wires.

The website looks a bit better, but nothing to write home about. The biggest problem I had was finding the Sounders stuff among the mess of other content. I finally managed to click my way through to the Sounders page after seeing Sigi’s tiny face on the blog sidebar. There’s some good stuff once you finally find your way there, but they have a lot more work to do if they want to drive Sounders fans to their site. It’s a bit of a mess from an organizational standpoint.

by Dizzo on May 6, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

didn't know about mobile platform

I’ve never tried to access the sounder stuff from mynorthwest.com. Usually isn’t stuff to write home about, I agree, but Swartz has tried a couple articles, and Sigi himself has written some stuff. It really isn’t lending itself to a wider audience. Maybe if it got more web hits they would start to…. well probably not…

by ravegreen1 on May 6, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the heads-up

I’m going to keep an eye on it for future good stuff. Reading through Sigi’s blog is pretty entertaining. He’s mastered the art of saying nothing controversial in particular in pressers. Now he’s transferred those same skills to a blog format.

by Dizzo on May 6, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just a word on the bigger subject...

Apparently Mike Salk was upset about the “wussification” of sport and I kinda get where he’s coming from. That said, I covered HS soccer for about five years and can tell you that it is easily the most violent, out of control sport on the HS lineup. In all honesty, I think it should probably be banned from HS. I’m sure there are stats that support this, but my experience was that there are WAY more actual fist-fights in soccer than in any other HS sport, and it’s not even close. I’m sure there are way more contact injuries than in any other sport. I’m sure a lot of this has to do with the quality of coaching at the HS level, and I don’t mean to paint with too wide a brush, but I have no doubt these are the issues that a governing body is trying to control when they make rules like the one Salk is referring to.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 6, 2011 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

fist fights...

Well my memory of my High School years did include some fights… favorite being in the “good game” line after the match… Our stiker and their cental defender lined each other up in the line and after the first swing was made … well both teams were already there so it was quite a melee for a couple of minutes.
It would seem though that the “governing body” is putting a team on notice for accumulating red cards; instead of banning certain players for the season or for life. (referring to the gig harbor story). Do you really believe that HS soccer should be banned? wow.

by ravegreen1 on May 6, 2011 9:53 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm saying I understand what Gig Harbor is trying to do

the reason there are fights is because kids are allowed to get away with so much fouling and it escalates from there. As much as I hate to say it, HS soccer seems to be very poorly governed. I’m sure banning it is over-the-top, but I have a hard time blaming governing bodies for trying ways like this to control it.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on May 6, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The most surprising thing is that there is more sonics coverage than sounders coverage on both stations. The mariners gets pre game coverage for an hour and post game coverage for 2 hours on both stations. The sounders are lucky if they are mentioned before or after their games. I know that both stations desperately want the sonics back but to hear about it every damn day is beyond tiring, it’s down right pathetic. But seriously who wants the sonics back in bellevue or seattle? Don’t worry we don’t have to decide today we will talk about it for the next 5 years.

by stillpacing on May 6, 2011 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm in for the Bellevue Sonics

And the Bellevue Thunderbirds for that matter.

But I think it’d be reasonable for there to be more coverage of actual teams than theoretical teams.

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by sidereal on May 6, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bob and Groz

There is a discussion on why people aren’t going to Mariners games on Bob and Groz right now and it has disintegrated into a soccer vs baseball argument. It is at sometimes annoying, but also interesting to hear the debate. I’d suggest listening to the podcast to hear it. Amazing how some are still ignoring a trend that is very evident in Seattle sports.

by AdmiralAwesome on May 6, 2011 1:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Large ships change direction slowly

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by Seattle Coug on May 6, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

True.

I actually view the fact that the debate is happening is a good sign.

by AdmiralAwesome on May 6, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I heard that segment as well

That third guy that was on there was really ripping the Sounders a new one. He was all about “ALL THE PEOPLE THAT CARE ABOUT THE SOUNDERS ARE THE ONES GOING TO THE GAMES” and ridiculous crap.

by Agent_J on May 12, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

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