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Seattle Sounders Draw Vancouver Whitecaps At Two - Highlights, Statistics, Quotes

SEATTLE - JUNE 11:  Osvaldo Alonso #6 of the Seattle Sounders FC is congratulated by Miguel Montana #32, Jeff Parke #31, and Tyson Wahl #5 after scoring against the Vancouver Whitecaps FC at Qwest Field on June 11, 2011 in Seattle, Washington. The Sounders and Whitecaps played to a 2-2 draw. (Photo by Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images)

 
Seattle may have just found itself on the outside looking in concerning the Cascadia Cup (which honestly is only the 4th most important trophy this year). That draw last night was particularly painful because the Sounders rallied from behind and put themselves up late after goals by Mauro Rosales and Osvaldo Alonso. Only a clear goal of the week from Eric Hassli stopped the chance at victory.

But the offensive performance by Alonso does not cover up that it was his defensive mistakes that led to the Vancouver Whitecaps scoring both of their goals. It was possibly his worst defensive performance yet, and that may have been the most frustrating portion of the night. Alonso is one of the players that this team must count on nightly. Saturday's off performance shows that.

There should be no surprise, as Sigi Schmid's team again dominated run of play and again did not get the "deserved" result from it. There were two more blocked shots, a plague against the Rave Green this season that skews the Shots:Shots On Goal number even more for Seattle. This was not a game where the opposing keeper will make the Team of the Week, but instead a match where the Sounders put too many shots outside of the frame. Sigi was clearly concerned about the refereeing last night, as at half time and post-game he tried to talk to Mark Geiger, but neither time was able to do so.

Concerning the Fucito shot with contact from behind Geiger wasn't in position to make a call, and that may have been a case where "selling" the call is necessary. It is certainly a case where endline referees would help the game immensely.

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Scoring Summary:        
VAN -- Eric Hassli 5 (penalty kick) 29
SEA -- Mauro Rosales 1 (unassisted) 81
SEA -- Osvaldo Alonso 1 (unassisted) 84
VAN -- Eric Hassli 6 (unassisted) 85

 
Vancouver Whitecaps-- Joe Cannon, Jonathan Leathers, Jay DeMerit, Mouloud Akloul, Alain Rochat, Shea Salinas (Bilal Duckett 90), Gershon Koffie, Jeb Brovsky (Michael Nanchoff 85), Camilo, Davide Chiumiento (Peter Vagenas 73), Eric Hassli.

Substitutes Not Used: Alexandre Morfaw, Greg Janicki, Omar Salgado, Kevin Guppy.

TOTAL SHOTS: 11 (Eric Hassli 5); SHOTS ON GOAL: 4 (Eric Hassli 2); FOULS: 12 (Alain Rochat 3); OFFSIDES: 1 (Eric Hassli 1); CORNER KICKS: 1 (Davide Chiumiento 1); SAVES: 3 (Joe Cannon 3)

Seattle Sounders -- Kasey Keller, James Riley, Jeff Parke, Jhon Kennedy Hurtado, Tyson Wahl, Brad Evans, Osvaldo Alonso, Lamar Neagle (Nate Jaqua 59), Mauro Rosales (Erik Friberg 83), Fredy Montero, Mike Fucito (Miguel Montano 65).

Substitutes Not Used: Leo Gonzalez, Pat Noonan, Zach Scott, Terry Boss.

TOTAL SHOTS: 13 (Fredy Montero 6); SHOTS ON GOAL: 4 (Osvaldo Alonso 2); FOULS: 13 (Brad Evans 3); OFFSIDES: 1 (Brad Evans 1); CORNER KICKS: 5 (Mauro Rosales 3); SAVES: 2 (Kasey Keller 2)

 
Misconduct Summary:
VAN -- Alain Rochat (caution; Reckless Tackle) 46+
SEA -- Osvaldo Alonso (caution; Dissent) 47+
VAN -- Camilo (caution; Reckless Tackle) 55
VAN -- Jonathan Leathers (caution; Delaying a Restart) 71

 
Referee: Mark Geiger
Referee's Assistants:-Eric Boria; Steven Taylor
4th Official: Ismail Elfath
Attendance: 36,502
Time of Game: 1:51
Weather: Partly Cloudy-and-62-degrees


 All Statistics contained in this boxscore are unofficialSounders_v_whitecaps_chart_medium

Seattle Sounders FC

  Vancouver Whitecaps

14

Attempts on Goal

11

5

Shots on Target

4

7

Shots off Target

7

2

Blocked Shots

0

6

Corner Kicks

1

13

Fouls

12

30

Open Play Crosses

6

1

Offsides

1

1

Yellow Cards

3

0

Red Cards

0

46

Duels Won

45

49%

Duels Won %

48%

428

Total Pass

297

76%

Passing Accuracy %

69%

60.5%

Possession

39.5%

Seattle Sounders FC vs. Vancouver Whitecaps FC Postgame Quotes
Sigi Schmid - Sounders FC Head Coach
(General Comments...) "I thought we had more of the game for most of the night. Obviously we fell behind on the penalty kick. I thought we had a bunch of good chances, half chances. I thought we were around the goal. I thought the soccer we played at times was very good. We eventually got the lead, then we made a mistake in the back and [Eric] Hassli makes an unbelievable shot. So you walk away 2-2. For the gist of the game, I thought we were the better team."
 
(On final goal...) "The quality of goal was magnificent but it should have never got to that position on the field. We had the ball. The ball came off our guys. There was no assist on the goal, I would assume unless they're giving our guy an assist. When you have the ball there late in the game and you're winning 2-1 you have to get the ball out."
 
(On emotions in the final minutes...) "It's a rollercoaster. You go up and down a little bit."
 
(On game representing Sounders FC...) "I thought the soccer we played was good. I thought we were attacking and going forward. In the second half we switched Mauro [Rosales] out to the right side because he's had a lot of success there. I thought the soccer we played at times was very good. We were patient. We knocked the ball around in the back when we had to really open the game up. The service could have been better. We could have been sharper in the box. Jaqua could have had a bigger impact for us coming in. Outside of that, I thought it was OK."
 
(On penalty kick call...) "I can't talk to the referee when he runs off the field and is afraid to talk to me. He waited and made detours to shake their players' hands, but twice both at halftime and at the end of the game he knew I wanted to talk to him and he just walked away, so obviously he must have felt bad."
 
(On Fredy Montero...) "We thought he deserved another opportunity. Thought he played with a lot of energy, thought he played well. Thought he had some very good looks, especially in the first half that he needed to finish. He's been a little bit unfortunate, but hopefully they'll go in soon."
 
(On Mauro Rosales...) "I thought he was good. Thought he was sharp. He was a handful for them. I thought he was very effective on the right. He continues to get in, that's one of the reasons we came with [Nate] Jaqua, thinking that we're getting so many opportunities to cross the ball and eventually Jaqua got a flick that helped us on our first goal. We thought we could have taken advantage of that a bit more."
 
(On Osvaldo Alonso's goal...) "He gets a lot of shots from that place and it was good to see the ball go in. It was a lucky situation because we were two-v-one at the other end of the field, so if the shot gets blocked we're scrambling a little bit but it didn't get blocked and it went in. Hopefully that will give him confidence. Alonso works extremely hard and does great things all the time. Sometimes simplicity helps you get out of a certain situation but certainly the goal was well taken."
 
(On forward lineup...) "It's a matter of guys being active and guys putting the defense on their heels. [Mike] Fucito was in there in the first half and got pushed from behind as he was about to shoot but it was not a PK, so he had a good look. Fredy Montero had some good looks. Rosales was getting there as well. [Lamar] Neagle played well in the first half. I thought the front four in that regard was pretty good."
 
Kasey Keller - Sounders FC Goalkeeper
(On Eric Hassli's equalizing goal in the 85th minute...)  "That's as nice a goal as you're ever going to see.  He's obviously been one of the top guys in the league this season.  He's a great player for them and he scored a great goal for them at a great time in a big game."
 
(On the penalty kick that was awarded to Vancouver ...)  "There was a lot of bodies in my way. It looked like a penalty.  But in the same right, if that's a penalty then Mike [Fucito's] is a penalty as well at the other end. So sometimes you get them, sometimes you don't. But in the end we came back, we fought, we didn't quit, we made some subs. Nate [Jaqua] came on and made a difference. Mauro [Rosales] got his first goal. Great. Ozzie [Alonso] makes up for the penalty with a good goal and then unfortunately their goal happens and then everyone goes away a little disappointed.  Let's not forget that 80 minutes into the game we're down one-nil and then somehow we come back and have a chance to win it. And that's just frustrating that you do battle like hell to get in the lead and we concede so quickly after. But I guess if you have to concede a goal, you concede something like that."
 
(On conceding the goal so soon after scoring one of their own...) "I think statistically throughout world football, it happens. You're celebrating a goal you just scored and mentally, I mean you talk all you want about, 'You have to do this, you have to do that,' but there's so much jubilation in a goal that sometimes it's just hard to get back refocused. It happens more often than we'd all like to admit, especially when it happens to you. At the same time, it took something special, something extremely special, but unfortunately something that was very preventable. And hopefully we learn it."
 
Mauro Rosales - Sounders FC Midfielder
(On how it changed his game when Nate Jaqua subbed in and added some height to the field...)  "We can play more from the outside and we can give crosses to him because he's tall.  With Mike [Fucito] and Fredy [Montero], they are not so tall and the crosses have to be a little more down than for Nate Jaqua.  So it was a little bit better to play more outside in the game and we get the spacing [better]."
 
(On what the emotions were like at the end of the game to get the lead then concede the goal...)  "Yeah, it was a little bit of frustration at the end because we worked very hard.  We were waiting for the goals and when the goals came we did the difficult part to change a game and then unlucky what a play with Jhon [Kennedy Hurtado] and Ozzie [Alonso] and we give the chance for them to score.  But what a goal, unbelievable."
 
(On scoring his first MLS goal...)  "About my goal, I am very happy because it was the first one and in Qwest Field.  I was not waiting for the goal because I am too far when I am making the cross and making the free kicks, I'm too far from the post.  But then I get a chance and it was very good for the team to make a step to win the game. It was unlucky in the last five minutes."
 
Osvaldo Alonso - Sounders FC Defender
(On the goal he scored...)  "It was a beautiful goal.  It gave us the lead for a little while but unfortunately, I'm unhappy that it did not end up being the victory goal."
 
(On taking shots from that spot often and if he thinks this will give him confidence to keep taking that shot...)  "I always try from outside and in the first half I also had an opportunity like that and it always motivates me to keep shooting from outside so I'll keep doing it."
 
James Riley - Sounders FC Defender
(On the match...)  "We did well to battle.  We said at halftime that if we got one we were going to get the second and we did. We battled and we fought. We didn't quit. It comes off as our mistake. Two goals and we're sitting in the locker room like it's a loss instead of celebrating a derby victory."
 
(On the emotions of being behind, then tied, then up, then tied again on an unlikely goal...)  "Yeah, definitely. It's been an unbelievable time. I mean I've lost the MLS Cup on something exactly like that. I mean, where we scored a goal and went up one-zero and then they equalize right away right off the kickoff. So it's definitely a dagger [...] Obviously we have to take it with a grain of salt and get back to work but definitely it stings for sure to be up two-one and work that hard and press for the equalizer and then to go ahead. We'll learn from it."
 
 
Tom Soehn - Whitecaps FC Head Coach
(On his overall thoughts on the match...) "Anytime you come to Seattle there is difficult circumstance to deal with. This is a fantastic crowd and I thought we did a good job staying compact and organized. We got a goal in the first half and came in pretty pleased. I figured Sigi would have them all ready to come out and play the second half. To their credit they did a good job of keeping the ball in the second half. Going down [2-1] I credit our guys for coming back and getting the second one. We had players step up and Eric [Hassli] had a great goal."
 
(On his thoughts regarding his team's second goal...) "Some people might not be sure if he [Hassli] meant to shoot it from there, but we see him everyday and he pulls off shots like that all the time. He has one thing on his mind and that is scoring goals."
 
(On the momentum swings during the match...) "I was here with D.C. United and it was 3-3. This place tends to have a lot of emotional swings. Our guys put a lot into it and we are a bit disappointed to not come away with more but we can take a lot of positives from this one."
 
(On starting off the MLS rivalry between Vancouver and Seattle...) "There is a lot of respect between the two teams. You can tell there is a build up of energy between the clubs and I think this will be a positive for the Northwest."
 
Eric Hassli - Whitecaps FC Forward
(On his thoughts regarding the second goal...) "I closed my eyes and shot. I had a lot of luck there. It works so that is why I do it."
 
(On the ranking of the second goal in his career...) "I think it is the best goal."
 
(On assessing his play so far during the season...) "We practice hard and that is were the results are coming from. We are starting to build more chemistry, playing together more and starting to connect. Hopefully we will start seeing the results."
 
(On the support from the traveling fans...) "Incredible to see them with the flags and the singing along with everything else. It really helps us."
 
(On dedicating his first goal to the fans...) "Yes. They came all this way; even though we didn't get the best result we really appreciate it."

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just an fyi: you can “rec” his comment, actually giving it a +1.

by agtk on Jun 12, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

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Very well stated.

"But who would listen to Little old me anyway?"

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by Little old me on Jun 13, 2011 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fucito's spoken about the fact that he's never dived

it’s another aspect of his game that I appreciate… as a convert to the sport the one aspect that was hardest for me to overcome was the diving. I hate it, detest it, and have little respect for the habitual offenders/cheaters. However, there is this grey area regarding selling a call when you know the ref is completely out of position to properly see the play. In this regard soccer is it’s own worst enemy and I agree with the idea of adding end line refs to assist. if the powers that be want to do something about the issue of diving, they are the only ones who can truly move to solve the problem (along with issuing red-cards for outlandish dives).

Life's what happens while you're making other plans

by LGoofus on Jun 12, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw them in the CL too

hopefully this leads to wider adoption. Lord knows the MLS could use all the refereeing help it can get. I’m especially for it if it gives more guys and girls refereeing experience, so we can hopefully have higher quality refs rising to the top.

by agtk on Jun 12, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll say here what I said in the FB thread

RT 9 – Osvaldo Alonso made nine tackles this weekend, more than any other player in MLS. Snapping. Although given he can have his “worst defensive performance yet” and still be outperforming anyone else in the league I think “Spoiled” might be more apt on this occasion.

by Targaff on Jun 12, 2011 6:24 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I don't know if he outperformed everyone else in the leage.

See: Lenhart, Zusi. If we’re talking about pure defensive performance, he still conceded the PK and had the fateful giveaway to Hassli. Tackling is important, but you still have to bring a complete game.

That being said, I’d take Alonso in a heartbeat over any other CDM in the league.

by agtk on Jun 12, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've watched the Hassli goal a few times now

I don’t think that was Ozzie’s fault at all. Hurtado made a crappy pass to Alonso that he couldn’t get a foot on. Hassli picked up the loose ball and shot without looking at the net. If anything it’s Hurtado that was careless (he should have just booted it out of there instead of passing), but it’s hard to fault anyone on such a fluke goal.

by K61 on Jun 12, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

are we expecting too much from the Sounders given the injuries?

Losing SteveZ wasn’t just a minor loss. Add in the loss of OBW, made all the more important by the parting-of-ways with N’Kufo, and we’re looking at a substantial loss of attacking speed and skill. The fact the team is holding fairly level, even if not excelling, is perhaps more impressive than I’ve given them credit for thus far.

Life's what happens while you're making other plans

by LGoofus on Jun 12, 2011 8:21 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

"Holding Fairly Level"

Who the hell wants a team that is “holding fairly level?” This was supposed to be year three of Sigi’s three year “master plan.”

In the preseason writers on this site (and others including Ives) were proclaiming SSFC a top tier team, MLS (and/or Supporter Shield) contenders and a threat for a double with an Open Cup threepeat. Now we’re a midtable team (PPM), have dropped four points at home in Cascadia, can’t beat bottom feeders like the Whitec®aps & Chicago and we’re supposed to look on the brightside!?

We are holding teams to less than one goal per match and still can’t win! It is just like last year—we still can’t score and Uncle Blaise ain’t walking through that door. We are the highest grossing team in the league, have money under the cap, can open more cap space by dumping someone like Noonan and a DP slot to burn. I am tired of reading fans make excuses for this team: injuries, goals of the week scored against us, rain, fixture congestion (new excuse coming soon). It’s not the job of supporters to defend a mediocre record—leave that to Sigi and ultimately Adrian.

I expect trophies and right now this team is not a threat to win any of them #pointsathomenotexcuses

by _zorbthegeek on Jun 12, 2011 9:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Transfer window opens July 15th

Kind of a fool’s errand calling for action from the FO before then.

by Kenneth Jung on Jun 12, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree

Fans should be on record demanding a top quality strike partner for Montero even before the window opens. This team as currently constructed is not good enough.

by _zorbthegeek on Jun 12, 2011 9:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Let me clarify...

Asking for action is fine, and on balance I’m in favor of it. Hoping for an actual roster change before then is a fool’s errand. The point of the original poster was that given the injuries and other roster issues which have affected the team, the fact that the team has been treading water to this point is impressive relative to expectations; and I think that’s a valid point. Mid-table is no one’s long-term goal, but it seems like a reasonable goal for the current squad. Hopefully that will change when the transfer window opens up.

by Kenneth Jung on Jun 12, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So what do you propose?

As you said the defense is doing pretty good. It stands as a fact that two of our attackers, one of which might be the best player on the team, are injured. That’s not an excuse, ITS A FACT. Would you expect the Patriots to go undefeated without Brady? Would you expect the Heat to make the playoffs without LeBron? The injuries aren’t excuses, they are reasons that would lead any rational person to lower expectations for where the team is right now.

Moreover, precisely what you want the team to do, burn cap space with our open DP slot, IS EXACTLY WHAT EVERYONE FROM THE TEAM SUGGESTS WILL HAPPEN ONCE IT CAN. The fact of the matter is that the team cannot use the slot until the transfer window opens. Until then, we’ve got to make do with what we’ve got.

Sigi has thrown out his own playbook, and is experimenting with new tactics and formations that this team is not used to, in an effort to get the maximum result from his players’ abilities. Can you fault him for some of his tactics, subs, and starting decisions? Sure. Yet, he has shown the gumption to do what it takes to grind out results.

We all expect trophies. If we end the season as a wild card, peter out on the playoffs, put in a whimpering effort in CCL, and lose before the Semis in the Open Cup, I don’t think you’ll find a single satisfied Sounders fan anywhere, most especially on this site. But right now, after all that has happened, we are doing OK. We are not in the best positions, but we are doing better than last year. We’ve dropped some home points, but we’re getting some points on the road too.

These are my expectations: I fully expect this team to showcase its depth in Open Cup play and in the congested months coming up. I expect Adrian to find us a DP who can live up to that name and salary. Perhaps Cisse is it, I know I’d love to have him. I expect this team to make a 2nd half run with improved health, and finish in the top 3 of the West. If we play up to our abilities, we could snatch a Supporter’s Shield. Everyone else has been looking vulnerable lately too. I expect us to progress past the first round of the playoffs; we know it is somewhat of a crapshoot, and with our luck in past years, this is probably our turn. I expect us to emerge from group play in the CCL. If the team does not accomplish all of these goals, I will be satisfied if they accomplish a few of them. But as far as where the team is right now, I think we are in a solid position to accomplish them. Blind anger and making demands without a rational analysis of why we are here and how we can move forward serves nobody.

by agtk on Jun 12, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rational Analyis...

TF: The team could not score last year, we brought in a proven scorer who scored. But, he and the coach could not get along he decided to retire within a half an hour of kickoff of the opening match. To back him up we brought in an injury plagued underachiever from Jamaica via Canada who started the year struggling to score, got hot, scored two goals and then got injured until a date TBD. This brought us back to a TF corps of Jaqua, then Levesque. The FO knew going into the season the had an unhappy 30 something & injury plagued backup.

Wide Mids: We lost our not so good on the ball, but fast as hell starting RW in the expansion draft. In addition, we lost probably the best young offensive winger in the league to an injury that made me tear up when I saw it and there is a possibility he may never become the player he was.

Withdrawn Forward & Rest of Midfield: a cadre of players none of whom is particularly fast (except Fucito) or particularly strong (again, except Fucito) all are good on the ball, but all (with the thankful exception of Alonso) have been injured (or ill) for significant periods of time this season. All are suffering from lack of quality at TF to link to and hit with crosses and most importantly all suffer from being finesse players in a league where physicality is allowed by officials to trump the actual ability to play the game. Again, the FO knew this going into the season.

Back Five: Fingers crossed.

Given all of the above, I still expect us to beat Vancouver & Portland at home and Chicago on the road. I expect us to not need a miracle to beat KC and I expect us to play much better than we did the 2nd half vs Columbus.

I am not sorry for any of that.

by _zorbthegeek on Jun 12, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one is saying you should be happy with the results.

It’s the fact that people are blaming the front office for not building a team that could withstand this level of attrition that is upsetting people.

MLS has a lot of roster constraints that teams have to work within. There is not a team in the league that is built to both compete for the Supporters Shield and deal with such extreme injury issues with minimal drop-off. Should they be better? Sure. But minimizing the injury problems isn’t doing your argument any favors.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 12, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed about the last part.

Particularly the part where you say OBW is “injury-prone”, as though the FO could have predicted a life-threatening blood clot.

by Kenneth Jung on Jun 12, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude

When we played KC, Vancouver & Chicago they had a collective three wins. From those three matches we got five points—two of them from a miracle header from Parke in stopage time. Three weeks ago you and Jeremiah were talking about how easy our June schedule looked and how there were points ripe for the taking. We have now played two of the three minnows and only have two points to show for it—that’s not good enough.

And Kenneth, (below) OBW was injury prone; he missed a ton of time for TFC.

by _zorbthegeek on Jun 12, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

KC is starting to show it is less of a minnow

I mean, they beat FCD 4-1 on the road. We shut out CHI and KC, and Vancouver needed a miracle goal of much higher improbability than Parke’s that stole 2 points from us. Our inability to score goals is worrisome at times, but as I said above, I believe this team will turn in very positive results in the near future.

Also, a blood clot has nothing to do with being injury-prone. It is absolutely unrelated and unforeseeable.

by agtk on Jun 12, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually...

… that OBW was injury-prone with TFC is a valid point, at least in the sense that the FO should not have planned to have him out there for 30+ matches a season. The blood clot wasn’t a forseeable issue, but I think it’s valid to say that his likely lack of availability was.

That said, he looks a lot better as a backup to Nkufo — which I imagine is how the FO envisioned him when they signed him — than in the role which he was pushed into early in the season.

by Kenneth Jung on Jun 12, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He was drafted while recovering from an ACL injury

That one injury accounts for all of his missed time in his rookie season.

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Jun 13, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

couldn’t have said it better myself. I was one of those writers calling for a Supporters Shield. I don’t want a middling team. I want wins. I want to see us crush our enemies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of their supporters…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jun 12, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

pretty tired about hearing about injuries

and what external problems!? the weather?! mediocre refs?! once in a lifetime wonder-strike goals?!

what about actually ouplaying a team and building a multpile goal lead?! We’re incapapble of doing so without Zakuani?! I mean, I’m the guy who suggested in the offseason that he was our most important attacking player, but this is ridiculous…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jun 12, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Without Zakuani, Nkufo and at various points Montero, Rosales and Fernandez.

Come on man, you can’t ignore how huge a role injuries and Nkufo leaving have played. It’s irrational and it makes it harder to take actual criticisms about the way the team is playing seriously.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 12, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

we are not in an injury crisis

we were for a couple of weeks in May, but we have plenty of players available. We must ask questions about how good they really are and what this team is doing to develop young talent.

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jun 12, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

What this team is doing to develop young talent

Hmmmmm so are we developing young talent or are we trying to win a Supporters Shield? It’s hilarious to me that three years into being an MLS team we should already have a grizzled group of talented vets, enough depth to cover up losing two of our starting attacking players for half the season or longer (not to mention Rosales, Evans etc.), and legions of young, talented players almost ready to break in.

by TheTank123 on Jun 13, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I beg to differ

Its clear that Montero’s hand is still effecting him and he has accumulated significant rust in his level of play. Flaco was beginning to show promise but is away with national team duties, Frieberg has been slowed with an ankle injury and is having trouble meshing with the team. Jaqua is beginning to work off injury rust and contributed to Rusario’s goal this last game. We lost our 1st ad 2nd string target forward to a last second retirement and a blood-clot. The engine of the offense is lost with a season ending injury.

I’d say we’re still in an injury crisis.

by Robb Lincoln on Jun 13, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Small point

Flaco has not left for national team duties. He is indeed injured.

by agtk on Jun 13, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zakuani, O'Brien White, Flaco is sidelined, Evans has been sidelined for periods of time, Rosales has been sidelined for periods of time

Nkufo left before the season. I mean, really? Do you just turn your nose up, ignore everything else that’s gone on and decimated much of the lineup while screaming WE WANT TROPHIES? Because that’s a pretty closed-minded view of things.

by Brian Floyd on Jun 12, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone wants that.

Unfortunately things that aren’t in the control of the front office happen.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 12, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

they shouldn't be making that excuse

And neither should we make it for them. The expectation was a table-topping team. The reality is they are middling. That’s the bottom line…

Smart people find ways to mitigate what is “beyond their control”

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jun 12, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is just an amazingly unrealistic attitude.

They built a team that should be topping the table and a ton of things they can’t control happened to make it weaker. They can’t do anything until the transfer window opens.

I’m not making excuses, I’m being rational. And being told that I’m making excuses for acknowledging reality is getting really, really old.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 12, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am tired of the word "irrational" being thrown around by people defending Sigi & the FO

They came into this season w/ an unhappy 30 something at striker and unproven backup and basically the same squad from ’10 (-Stugis -Nyassi +Rosales +Friberg). That was a mistake.

by _zorbthegeek on Jun 12, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

So, with two major improvements at key positions?

Quality strikers cost a lot of money. MLS limits the amount of money that teams can spend on players. The Sounders entered the season with two DP strikers and actively recruited more depth at the position.

It kind of seems like you’re frustrated and just want to blame someone.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 12, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes! Of Course I am Frustrated...

…of course I want to blame someone! What am I supposed to do be excited we can’t beat our biggest rivals LA, PDX & Vancouver at home? I blame the FO for the roster, the coach for his management of talent and the players for their lack of execution of the coaches gameplan. WTF is wrong with that when a team is 5-4-7 and probably out of contention for Cascadia?

by _zorbthegeek on Jun 12, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which of These Results Are Okay w/ You?

Losing @Qwest to LAG (okay, honestly given their form, this is okay w/ me so you get a freebie)
Drawing @Qwest to PDX
Drawing @Qwest to Vancouver
Drawing away @CHI
Losing to DC @RFK (first loss to them in our history)
Drawing @Columbus while being absolutely dominated the last 40 minutes

by _zorbthegeek on Jun 12, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is called begging the question, and it's a fallacy for a reason.

There are things to be upset about, but you’re upset about the wrong things.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 12, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree that the roster is flawed.

Trying to make it seem as though it is makes it difficult for me to put much stock in your argument.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 12, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roster Flaws

*I fully recognize these can not all be addressed given salary cap issues, but since you disagree that the roster is flawed, I offer my list of observations about it.

We lack speed on the flanks.
We lack an effective TF & consequently are unable to operate the coaches preferred system.
We have no real backup at RB.
We have a wasted senior roster spot in Pat Noonan.
We are overly dependent on Alonso (every minute of ever game).
We have all sorts of issues w/ defending set pieces.
Our back-up keeper to our 40ish keeper scares the piss out of me.
Dallas showed me we are slow.
PDX & Vancouver showed me we are not as physical (exceptions Fucito & Parke).
The very fact everyone is telling me to calm down and wait for the transfer window is a direct reflection of the flawed roster.

I know I am being crazy internet guy, right now, but Jesus. Given out PPM standing & results at home, if you can’t even agree the roster is flawed, we should agree to disagree.

by _zorbthegeek on Jun 12, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody is walking away from these games thinking "yeah, that's what I wanted"

it’s about looking at the larger body of work and understanding that there is no reason to be in panic mode about this team. Have some games been frustrating? Of course! But there have been others that were not frustrating at all (TFC, @RSL), and others where we got the results we needed.

The tie to Vancouver sucks, it sucks really bad. And frustration is understandable. But I still don’t understand what you want the team to have done differently, and what it should do going forward to make you happy.

by agtk on Jun 12, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure how we're out of contention

If the timbers and whitecaps play to a tie, are we all not even?

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 12, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

For that matter...

…our fate is still in our hands. Win both away games and we win the Cascadia Cup. Not easy, but we’ve been a good road team.

by ubelmann on Jun 13, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

What are the tiebraker for the Cup?

"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin

by Little old me on Jun 14, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep

and for the record, i also blame the players. Montero and Jaqua combined for 21 goals in ‘09. We are supposed to have good enough players, and but for a brief injury crisis in mid May, availability hasn’t been a huge issue. in their ‘08-09’ Premiership winning year, Man U used 33 players in League play. Squad rotation is the name of the game now.

I thought we were building a team with depth for multiple competitions?! Now were getting tripped up in league play – before those other competitions have even started – with a player here or there unavailable?!

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jun 12, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

By a Player "here or there"

There has yet to be a match without 3 starting quality players injured. Not since April.

Now, people like yourself are re-writing what depth means. The fact is that a team that has had this many injuries is sitting in the playoffs, and from week 3 on has been a Supporter Shield quality side. They did that with those injuries.

3 Reserve players have stepped into the starting lineup and done quite well. That is depth.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 13, 2011 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Calm down

Give them a chance to fix it. I think they took a big, risky step just hours before FirstKick to cut N’Kufo for a number of reasons, first and formost because he didn’t want to play where we needed him to play. They took another risky step not immediately signing the first DP they found to fill their open slot. Since then, the transfer window has closed, 2 starters have had serious multi-month injuries, and lo and behold we’re underperforming.

I still have faith in Sigi and Adrian. They’re obviously waiting until the summer transfer window to make their move. I’ve made my expectations clear, and I hope they deliver.

by K61 on Jun 12, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Two questions

When does the summer transfer window open?

When do we get the additional allocation dollars for being in the CCL?

by K61 on Jun 12, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

July 15

We’re going to be able to add players. No idea about the CCL allocation money, but this team can and will make changes.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 12, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Believe
this team can and will make changes

I believe that to be true, and because of that, I still believe we can make a run at the Supporters Shield. We just have to be agressive with our recruiting and spending to get the best talent available.

by K61 on Jun 12, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

CB

Who is the best bet of our CB’s to be moved come transfer season in your opinion?

Any guesses what we’ll get in return?

Anyone?

"But who would listen to Little old me anyway?"

-by thehemogoblin

by Little old me on Jun 13, 2011 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Parke

I think he’s the one if we move one of our CBs. He has a lot of trade value. He’s also on the older side compared to JKH and Ianni. I also think they see Ianni as future captain material.

by Dizzo on Jun 13, 2011 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Where does he go?

What is fair value in return?

And since you are usually the one I turn to to be one step ahead of me in researching these things: other than the near certainty of moving a CB, what else might we be looking to move?

"But who would listen to Little old me anyway?"

-by thehemogoblin

by Little old me on Jun 13, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's the rub

I don’t know that we could get fair value for him. What we need is a starting XI target forward, but they’re even harder to find than a starting quality CBs.

KC is a team that really needs some defensive help. They also have some great attacking pieces. Toronto needs the defensive help badly, but has nothing worth trading.

Frankly, I don’t see any team that would give us fair value. So, I doubt we’ll see Parke move. But if any CB moves it will be Parke IMHO.

by Dizzo on Jun 13, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's a shame

I think Parke is our best CB and would not want to see him go; can’t imagine what we could get in trade that would make it worth our while.

by ABTsportsline on Jun 13, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

The one thing we can say is that their signings have been very mixed

Nkufo, Fernandez, Ljungberg, and looking more and more like Montero. Yes, we’ve spent money, but it hasn’t come out on the field or ended very badly before it’s time.

Our draft this year and last year were a bust. Most of the signings that have “worked out” have been mid level signings (Leo, Frieberg etc). It’s left us in a position where we have not much cap room and we need low rent players to come through for us to be successful, guys with flaws like size or speed or health concerns that hold them back.

by blakec on Jun 12, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That’s why Montero was on the bench, because he is playing so well. Oh yeah and Fernandez did a long stretch on the bench for excessive good play as well.

by blakec on Jun 12, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Come on

Fredy is not playing well. I still like the signing and have no problems with the guy but to say he’s playing well right now is just a lie.

by TheTank123 on Jun 13, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

This year's draft is a bust?

Not sure what you’re basing that on … looks to me like we have a solid CDM, a decent GK and, potentially, a stud LB/LM.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 13, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not only a stud

A stud on a GA contract. That is worth a TON as i see it.

"But who would listen to Little old me anyway?"

-by thehemogoblin

by Little old me on Jun 13, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

sort of short sighted

So correct me if I’m wrong but it seems to me that your position is that after the transfer window, the team must be challenging for the MLS Cup or else the front office has failed. The reason I don’t think this position is entirely reasonable is because I think it will take more than one very good player to lift the team to that level.

I say that because to just be as good as last year, to say nothing of being better, we would need a target forward as good as Nkufo and a winger as good as Zakuani. And if the front office were able to do that, it would be an almost unprecedented triumph, not merely good enough. That is, that’s something we can hope and dream of, but not reasonably demand. And even if that were to happen it’s no championship guarantee. Last year’s team wasn’t good enough to win the title and best case scenario, these theoretical replacement players would take a bit to settle in. So there’s also the possibility that the team would spend lots of money on the right players and still not be better than last year.

Plus, let’s say we get that winger. What happens to him when Zakuani is healthy? It seems unwise to invest that salary cap space to that player when he or Zakuani or Fernandez will be reduced to a reserve player at some point.

Sometimes teams lose a year due to circumstances beyond their control. That’s a part of sports. We’ve still got a shot at winning silverware but let’s not mortgage the future for a slightly less slim shot at the present.

by murmur000 on Jun 13, 2011 9:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

We're playing far better now than we were at this point last year.

We’re connecting passes, maintaining possession, playing commendable defense along the back line. We’ve even learned to challenge for balls in the air. Like anyone, I’d like to win our home matches, but to put it in perspective, look at what happened to LAG last night. Or FCD today.

by wmknickers on Jun 12, 2011 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

the first half of last year was an absolute horror show

to say we’re playing better is not saying much at all…

...that's MISTER Keller to you!!!

by malcontentjake on Jun 12, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

And yet we won the US Open Cup and made the playoffs again

and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t because of people railing against the FO on message boards

Nos Audietis

by sidereal on Jun 13, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

Adrian and Chris and Sigi don’t hammer refresh on the message boards like we do?

by TheTank123 on Jun 13, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hassli's wonder goal was only 1/4th Alonso's fault at most

Wahl shouldn’t have chased into their half of the field on the kickoff which made Hurtado cover our left back, Hurtado shouldn’t have passed into his own goal box from our left back, and Sigi should’ve told them all to play a little softer and give them their half of the field when they had the ball. Sure Alonso turned the ball over in his own goal box, he immediately covered and got into Hassli’s face and defensed him about as well as one could’ve, but there was a team wide breakdown after Alonso’s goal.

by Thalas on Jun 12, 2011 9:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Hurtado carries the blame for the turn over

I’m right down in that corner, and it looked like Hurtado just missed Alonso with the pass. Alonso tried to get a foot to it, but it got away….

A better play would have been for Hurtado to not screw around and boot the ball 50 yards into Vancouver’s end. It was a seriously cheeky pass to make in the last 5 minutes of the game.

by blakec on Jun 12, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I just made the same comment up above.

I did notice that Ozzie was taking the late goal very hard after the game. Sigi had his arm around him and appeared to be trying to console him. Alonso’s a competitor and doesn’t like to lose tie.

by K61 on Jun 12, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

Ozzie plays with his heart on his sleeve. You could see the tears of joy on his face after he thought he had scored the winning goal.

by blakec on Jun 12, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I blame Hurtado

Yu just scored, the other team just made a big run, CLEAR THE FING BALL.

by Ryan R Ray on Jun 13, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Just finished watching the Timbers lose to Colorado on DVR

Timbers coach John Spencer get’s ejected just before the free kick that results in the Colorado goal. I feel better about the world having watched that. Yesterday’s events at Qwest were incredibly frustrating, but this makes me feel strangely comforted in that frustration. Probably something only a Sounders fan can understand and appreciate. :)

by K61 on Jun 12, 2011 10:43 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Yeah..

…he was chirping at the 4th ref all night, and I guess enough was enough. Scared the crap out of my cats when I leaped off the couch when the Rapids put the ball in the net. And for the record, Portscum’s announce team is the very definition of gawd awful.I wouldn’t let their PbP guy, carry Arlo’s headphones.

by Timm Higgins on Jun 12, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget we had Calabro to begin with

We’ll see if their FO wises up and gets someone who knows their game.

by chrisperry1983 on Jun 13, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't you ever

take Colabro’s name in vain.

by TheTank123 on Jun 13, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Calabro

If you’re going to defend him, please spell his name correctly.

He’s a legend for his Sonicss announcing. No one can ever take that away. But he was awful with the Sounders. It was clear he didn’t know the game and wasn’t making an effort to learn it. I had high hopes for him as the Sounders announcer, but anyone who thinks that Arlo wasn’t a step is crazy.

by LoiteringWithIntent on Jun 13, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah my bad

More of a joke than anything. Arlo is clearly a better announcer for the Sounders but KC is a legend.

by TheTank123 on Jun 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think FSC using Arlo in the broadcast on Saturday

is really telling that Arlo is making a name for himself in the league. I think (if he stays around long enough) he might be headed in that kind of direction…

P.S. Arlo doing the FSC broadcast made it infinitely more enjoyable.

by majora999 on Jun 14, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Easy to say

from where you’re standing.

"But who would listen to Little old me anyway?"

-by thehemogoblin

by Little old me on Jun 13, 2011 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

What?

What the hell does this mean?

by TheTank123 on Jun 13, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on

Think about it…

"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin

by Little old me on Jun 14, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

can I “rec” something more than once? haha

by ABTsportsline on Jun 13, 2011 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

No

But you can +2 it.

"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin

by Little old me on Jun 14, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

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