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Seattle Sounders v New England Revolution - Three Questions With Bent Musket

TORONTO - MAY 22: Amadou Sanyang #22 of Toronto FC gets hit by Shalrie Joseph #21 of the New England Revolution during a MLS game at BMO Field May 22, 2010 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. (Photo by Abelimages/Getty Images)

One of the difficult parts of the whole three games in six days is trying to keep up with our regular features. But, we're on a great network, and in this case The Bent Musket reminded me of the Sunday 1PM game against the New England Revolution. Let's just ignore the future game for a moment and pay some attention to the whole issue concerning their supporters' groups battling with the front office. Here's what Keith Hodo, Co-President of ECS, said to me regarding that issue;

We want to show solidarity with other supporters groups because we believe that it is a fundamental right of the supporter to support the team in the manner that they see fit. Of course, there are things that we may not see eye to eye with all groups on but we are 100 percent behind their RIGHT to do so.

No one has given me any indication, but Sunday would be a solid time to show solidarity, as their front office will be here for the game. That game could have the Seattle Sounders battling for 3rd by PPM and put even firmer footing to the notion that this League is dominated by the West.

SaH: Steve Nicol once led this team to be the best non-Cup winner over a multi-year stretch, but it has struggled recently, what has changed?

tBM: It comes down to personnel. Early in Nicol's tenure, John Murphy was his assistant and the Revs were able to take advantage of his extensive player network at home and abroad. He was responsible for the drafting and acquisition of players like Joseph, Dorman, Dempsey and Noonan. It was on the backs of those incredibly strong teams of the mid-2000s that the three consecutive finals appearances were made. Since then, the combination of Nicol, Mike Burns and Paul Mariner (now Stephen Myles) have struggled mightily to acquire that level of talent again. The Revs have drafted decently at best, and the majority of their overseas signings have been unmitigated flops. There may be more to it, but that's the most obvious and poignant reason why the Revolution have fallen so far so quickly.

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SaH: The Revolution seem to be lacking a consistent scoring threat since the Taylor Twellman concussion several years ago, who will step up and replace his production?

tBM: In short, I have no idea. The idea was to have Rajko Lekic become the go-to goalscorer for this team, but so far he hasn't shown the ability. Granted, he's been suffering from grave lack of service and misuse, but you still expect more out of a guy who averaged better than a goal every other game for his clubs abroad. No one in their right mind thinks that Kenny Mansally, Kheli Dube, or even Zack Schilawski is going to be a 15-20 goal scorer, and Ilija Stolica has completely disappeared since being loaned out. At this point it's Lekic or nobody.


 
SaH: When Feilhaber and Joseph are both healthy they could be the best centermid pairing in the League, but we've seen Shalrie used in a wide variety of roles. How do you think they should be used?

 

tBM: Benny is a good creative central midfielder who can defend but isn't really great at it. Shalrie is one of the most versatile and talented players in MLS history, but his strength lies in his ability to be a skilled holding midfielder who can play the dynamic box-to-box when the opportunity arises. Lately Joseph has been asked to be a holding midfielder, attacking midfielder, trequartista and target striker, all at the same time. I personally would like to see Shalrie playing a slightly deeper role to Feilhaber, creating out of the back while Benny plays the final ball from an attacking midfield position.

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tBM: Seattle is a team that I feel like should be doing so much worse than they are. My image of them since their entry into the league is a dynamic team skipping along rainy turf, picking up wins and draws along the way with style and frequency. This season, it feels more like they've been trudging through the season and underachieving; but there they are, third in the West with 25 points and a respectable, if unspectacular, record of 6-4-7. What do you think has been the secret to their consistency so far this season, or lack thereof, considering the lack of production from marquee players like Fredy Montero?

 

SaH: At their best Seattle was a dynamic team that should be exciting to watch, but when you lose the player most responsible for that excitement to injury, and in the expansion draft they lost Sanna Nyassi who also added that speed if little else. Instead of that speedy flank play they are now a team that at its best will advance the ball through a more patient build-up through technical players like Alvaro Fernandez and Erik Friberg. That and the lack of an effective target forward have shifted how Fredy Montero is now getting space.
 
Where in the past space for Montero was because of a body like Blaise Nkufo or Nate Jaqua, the current answer is through tactical shifts and more freedom of movement. This is a recent shift since his return to the starting lineup, and in Seattle's last five games they have 3 wins and 2 ties. While Fredy's only goal was that sublime free kick in Toronto, the offense may be starting to click, in those same five games they have 9 goals, getting them from all over the place. The team may not be lacking for scoring any more.

 

tBMSteve Zakuani was a major attacking piece for the Rave Green and losing him had to be a major blow not just emotionally (considering the manner and severity of his injury) but on the field as well. How well do you think the team has coped with his absence, and what sorts of changes have you seen made that might be a direct result of that?

 

SaH: The changes are best captured in the style of player of Alvaro Fernandez. The Uruguay World Cup player isn't as fast, but he has a bit more height and even better footwork. That one shift between two solid to great MLS players is the shift of an entire team. No longer a speed on the flanks 4-1-3-2, Seattle is now a more traditional narrow diamond team that counts on patience and quality passing. Even the long balls have shifted from a vertical deep ball to spring a speed player to a diagonal to hit the open man.

 

tBM: Give us an under-the-radar player Revolution fans should watch out for.

 

SaH: Normally I would say Mike Fucito, because I can't rave enough about him, but today I'll have to go with Mauro Rosales. A former youth Argentine National who spent time with Ajax he still has some speed and certainly lost his flair. Mauro can still change the game with quality dribbling or through crosses into traffic that still find their target.

 

tBM: Who do you think the Sounders fear most on the pitch for New England?

 

SaH: You probably tire of this but Shalrie Joseph. He's caused Seattle trouble in the past and will likely do so again. His combination of height, speed and tenacity from a usually deep central position cause trouble going both ways. While he may not be at a once MVP caliber that he was, Joseph still is one of the best two-way players in MLS.

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I'm nervous about this game

We’ve done poorly vs the Revs most of the times we’ve played them and this game is on short rest after a big and somewhat emotional win vs a rested, motivated team. Could be big trouble. I hope Ianni learned his lesson about trying to dive from the last time we played these guys.

by Nevtelen on Jun 24, 2011 7:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a little anxious, too

They got Joseph, and for us Alonso is suspended for this game. Ianni has matched up well against Joseph in the past (when not engaging in the silly sutff you mention), but from Sigi’s interviews he’s mentioning names like Carrasco and Evans…niether of whom I’m thrilled about pairing up against Joseph. We’ll see…

by PeterJH on Jun 24, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why will Ianni be in?

Did Sparkles pick up a suspension that I missed?

by snu on Jun 25, 2011 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do not want to see solidarity with the fort

These guys had warnings not to do it and yet chose to continue to do something they had been asked not to do, that they knew was against the rules, and yet they still do it? The supporters groups should have been applauding the FO for removing troublemaking A holes but instead they are defending the A**holes and attacking the FO.

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 7:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Actually they were told to limit it by the end of the year

Last I checked this isn’t the end of the year. Also, arresting someone and swearing at them, for foul language likely causes issues.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 24, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am not saying arrest is warranted.

I am saying the kicking out is.

And what I read said nothing about year end. In either case they were breaking a rule they had been asked to stop doing and these idiots keep doing it. Why defend them?

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

The link provided says end of year

the club doesn’t deny that.

And I defend them because I see no reason why soccer fans should be held to higher standards than fans of other sports.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 24, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other sports fans get kicked out too.

When they disobey rules. They are usually warned (like these fans were) and then ejected if they continue to do it. Soccer fans are not being singled out here.

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have never read a report of a Seahawk fan being arrested for language

nor a Mariners fan, nor a Sonics fans, etc

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by Dave Clark on Jun 24, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you ever read of a fan being kicked out

for blatantly disobeying rules?

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kicked out, yes

At Mariners games, and other baseball games, for the infamous “Yankees Suck” t-shirts.

I find that absurd as well.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 24, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're not really disagreeing with us

I do really hope that ecs or someone else shows some support the fort, and I think kicking them out would be completely appropriate. Supporting the fort doesn’t necessarily mean support for the ysa chant or profanity in general. It’s a stand against draconian FOs that sic cops and unscrupulous private security organizations on their most loyal supporters.

by Tohoya on Jun 25, 2011 8:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I read that article now.

It does not say that they had till the end of the year to stop saying it. It said that they had till the end of the year to completly get rid of it. It also points out that the support groups had warned their members not to say it. The stadium officials and team had warned them not to say it.

Then a bunch of security comes down and what do these idiots do? You guessed it, they said what everyone asked them not to do. Why support them?

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please reread what you just wrote

How does having a year to get rid of it completely mean they aren’t allowed to say it at that match?

How does arresting them for swearing while swearing at them make any sense?

Should the ECS be arrested when they sing “We came to drink?”

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by Dave Clark on Jun 24, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Re read what I just wrote

I read it again. I think you should as well. They have a year to COMPLETELY get rid of it. That does not mean that they are allowed to do it all the way up till the end. They were/are not allowed to do it at all but they were being lenient and letting it go so long as they thought progress was being made.

Arresting them for swearing while swearing does not make any sense. I am not arguing that cops are logic or kind people or that arresting them was the right thing to do. Hell I do not even think throwing them out of the stadium is the right thing to do.

What I do beleive is that defending the idiots is wrong both because what they did was idiotic the results were predictable and because if you are going to fight over something, make it something worthwhile.

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

The club wanting it gone by the end of they year

IMPLIES that it is allowed in a decreasing amount through the year.

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by Dave Clark on Jun 24, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

And if they have security standing next to you, do you really think you are going to win an argument that it was slightly quieter than last month and therefore acceptable?

Somehow I doubt it.

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Security wasn't "right next to them"

Security was there, but above the seats. Also, the security crews are ever-changing, so while many of the crews are understanding of the SGs and work with the fans, this particular crew decided they wanted to be Dobermans for the day.

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by Steve Stoehr on Jun 25, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

The article says that people saw them coming

and knew trouble was brewing. I assumed that meant they were next to them. Regardless if you expect trboule, why do the exact thing they asked you not to do?

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by lysander on Jun 25, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

When they see security approaching they should have known why?

While they were chanting?

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by Dave Clark on Jun 25, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

All they were yelling is you suck Asshole.

THe chant is stupid and embarassing sure… but should the Sounders Front office start arresting and banning the little kids that yell it near me in Qwest?

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by DarthGreedo on Jun 24, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No I hope not.

But if Security and the ECS ask you not to do something, and then security comes right up next to you at the game… would you be stupid enough to do what everyone asked you not to do? Would you expect people to defend you after you do it?

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

not what article implies and not what I read elsewhere
Despite all of this, the process of removing that phrase from matchday proceedings was predictably slow.

He might not have been leading it but it was happening in their area. And many seem to be defending them after the fact now.

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

and according to a lot of people, he was discouraging YSA during the game but i mean he cant control everyone in his sections actions

by Sandra_R on Jun 24, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed.

And so is defending the idiots that were saying YSA after being asked not to.

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by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, not really.

It’s a stupid rule to try to enforce.

by Aaron Campeau on Jun 24, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to mention..

…Team Ops was pretty heavy handed about the whole situation.

by Timm Higgins on Jun 25, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I am not saying the team should have done what they did. I am just saying defending the idiots that yell YSA and get thrown out is stupid.

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Regular season, not pre-season.

by lysander on Jun 24, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

And that is stupid

But plenty of people are defending the YSA people for some reason.

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by lysander on Jun 25, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

they are all same people

this really is not just about YSA. Not sure how you’re missing that.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jun 25, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's also stupid

To alienate an already severely dwindling fan base. I “support the fort” because I HATE watching games like FC Dallas and NE Revs and seeing their stadiums with a handful of people. Supporters groups bring life and fun to a game, like it or not most non-soccer people come to games for the atmosphere, and most of my friends that would NEVER watch a game on TV come to games because they have fun watching the supporters bounce and sing and yes some of them like to yell the word a**hole. Like it or not, stupid or not, it’s fun for them.

I’m not supporting them because they do or don’t want to do the YSA chant, but as Dave said I support their RIGHT to do so and the actions of the Revs FO is just plain stupid. Take away the supporters = losing the atmosphere that makes the average Joe attend games.

by Dan Olson on Jun 25, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

You do not have the right to yell anything you want anywhere.

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by lysander on Jun 25, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's a private sporting event

and if management wants to they have the right to kick you out for standing instead of sitting, clapping or any other reason. That doesn’t mean it’s smart, a good business decision or that everyone else doesn’t also have the right to protest their stupidity.

by Patrick N on Jun 25, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh

You haven’t spent anytime on the east coast have you? Remember those prudes that founded our country? Yeah they’re still there.

by Dan Olson on Jun 25, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

I’m fairly ambivalent about thee YSA chant. I don’t think it is that offensive or violent, especially in comparison to other chants like:

I’m blind, I’m deaf, I want to be a ref.
He’s big, he’s tall, he’s a mother fucking wall…
Wank wank wank referee (with gesture)
Can you hear _ sing? We don’t hear a fucking thing! (and i know I’ve heard that f-bomb on tv)
Let him die. Let him die.
Your football’s shite all day and night, deep in the heart of Texas.
Put ’em up against a wall and shoot ’em.

You can talk about the classiness or originality of YSA all you want, but if you’re wanting to ban it because it is offensive it is a laughable goal considering everything else we chant in both types of profanity and general meaning.

-Ben R.

by reesebw on Jun 25, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

YSA matters not at all

All that truly matters is that Fredy dances for us on Sunday.

by PeterJH on Jun 24, 2011 9:49 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Kraft, great for NFL, terrible for MLS

The Rev front office has a 1/4 full stadium and has angered their most loyal supporters that’s bad news for an already struggling franchise. Arresting supporters is bad business unless there is a safety issue. I see no other justification whatsoever.

Also, directions from ECS capos at NYRB match were to yell “Free The Fort” when Sutton was in our end, but he was such a muppet there were none. It was all goals and corners.

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by _zorbthegeek on Jun 24, 2011 11:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

You're overestimating their attendance...

Their all-time high was about 1/4 full. Now it’s closer to 1/7 full. Sad.

by mistuhp on Jun 25, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm most interested to see

how Ianni handles Slap-ie Joseph. Or does Hurtado get that assignment?

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by 108Ultra on Jun 24, 2011 11:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank you

It’s really about the game. I’ve been wondering what the back four will be given Ozzie’s stand-down.

by wmknickers on Jun 25, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it depends

on who stands in for Ozzie. We don’t have a ton of options there, all of which are no where near Ozzie’s level. So I think you have to go with the most capable and solid pair of CB’s we can muster. I think we see Hurtado-Ianni start, since Sparkles played 90 on Thursday, so that’s the best rested option for sure.

RB and LB not so sure about Riley, depends on how his fitness is going in. If he’s not tired I think he gets the start and Tyson Wahl on the left.

by Dan Olson on Jun 25, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

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