Seattle Sounders Down Portland Timbers 3-2 In Cascadia Cup Match
by Dave Clark on Jul 10, 2011 3:45 PM PDT
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For all the talk of soccer gods, particularly after the United States women today, more often than not the better team wins. They don't win because of passion. They don't win because of fan support. They win because they are more talented, more technical, better coached. Today the Seattle Sounders were all of that when they went down to the Glass House of the Portland Timbers.
The Sounders were the stronger side in run of play by far, with both of Portland's goals coming against it on rapid counters and needing deflections to wind up in the net. On national television Fredy Montero showed that he is clearly among the best in the League and only Troy Perkins having a better than usual match kept him from a hat-trick. The young Colombian finished with only two goals on the day, but it could have been more.
Lamar Neagle, a Sounder for life, earned the third goal for Seattle on a clear and easily called penalty. Osvaldo Alonso, who has badger's blood running through his veins slotted the goal from the spot. His dominance in midfield was clear and decisive. While Kasey Keller got named to the MLS All-Star First XI, the team will not be complete without the Cuban on the squad.
It was not all rave and electricity today though. Jhon Kennedy Hurtado went down with a knee injury, and the only hope is that it was minor. Walking off the field with adrenaline does not mean he is clear, only the MRI today or tomorrow will indicate that. Alvaro Fernandez also suffered an injury, though much less significant. Both times the Portland Timbers attacked extensively, but in the end the class went to Seattle.
Celebrate this. Seattle 3 - Portland 2. The Cascadia Cup (5 points in 3 played) is purely in Seattle's control now. While the season and Supporters Shield is clearly within reach. The 1.67 PPM with a top four offense and defense rivals RSL, the Galaxy and FC Dallas.
Fredy Montero is a Golden God. Osvaldo Alonso is the Honey Badger. And Seattle is only going to get better in the second half.
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!!!!!
So pumped. Overcame so much to beat those lousy Timbers
by Shane Waletzko on Jul 10, 2011 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Or maybe not
Reports on from MLS site say he will not travel this weekend
Bummer Alonzo did not make the XI.
He has single handedly been able to translate why soccer is beautiful to my second half.
by mdkathon on Jul 10, 2011 3:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think he was the most glaring omission.
Generally all stars are picked for their offensive acumen, but it not need be this way.
by agtk on Jul 10, 2011 3:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I think he was the most glaring omission.
Generally all stars are picked for their offensive acumen, but it not need be this way.
by agtk on Jul 10, 2011 3:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Montero's 2 goals make me happy in so many ways.
by agtk on Jul 10, 2011 3:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Did we ever come up with his nickname?
How about el Cobra…since he sits in wait and pounces for the occasional quick strike attack?
Not to mention it was also entertaining as hell.
ESPN got a good game.
by Jack Brando on Jul 10, 2011 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Several postgame comments
Outstanding game- outstanding spirit from the Sounders overcoming unlucky bounces resulting in deficits twice…. not to mention overcoming two injuries (one of them possibly severe inflicted on the most effective player on the back line at that point in the game).
-Fredy had an outstanding game even outside of the converted chances. Good vision, passing and skill on the couple of shots that didn’t make it in.
-Strong game from the midfield in general. Neagle continues to justify playing time.
-…although, when healthy, Fernandez/Friberg/Rosales/Alonso have developed a bit more rhythm together, and I’d rather not see any of them out of the preferred 11 anytime soon (including Evans’ return to health)
-…there is, however, a position frequently in debate. I’d like to see Neagle given at shot at forward ahead of Levesque in the depth chart, who has well and truly run his lucky brace into the ground.
-I’d like to see Leo move up in the chart again. The midfield is syncing better on attack, and Wahl for all his surprisingly good service on set pieces recently is, on occasion, a significant defensive liability.
-Please, JKH, be okay. I have faith in Ianni playing decently, but the team’s depth in the open cup/ccl cannot afford the loss of any of the main 3.
by nimajneb on Jul 10, 2011 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What exactly is a honey badger?
Great match. Loved (in the end) watching our boys take Portland to the woodshed.
by magistermilitum on Jul 10, 2011 3:41 PM PDT reply actions
It is the fiercest animal in the world
and it is Osvaldo Alonso
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by Dave Clark on Jul 10, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
To Quote Wikipedia
“[The honey badger] has few natural predators due to its thick skin and ferocious defensive abilities.”
by snu on Jul 10, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Osvaldo. Hungry for soccer balls.
Just replace anything that has to do with eating and insert “taking the ball from opposing player” etc.
Spot on.
by mdkathon on Jul 10, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best Honey Badger-related video ever
“The Honey Badger does all the work while these other animals just pick up the scraps.”
Nos Audietis
Other way around
"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin
by Little old me on Jul 10, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Honey Badger Don't Care
Honey Badger takes what it wants.
by SydneySounder on Jul 10, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last two wins
come from behind. Including having to come back twice today. And, as Dave says, we should only get better.
Great Game
Ozzie, Fredy and Mauro were fantastic today. Also, it may not get mentioned by those outside the Sounders family but Erik Friberg has officially adapted to this league and this team. Damn it feels good to beat Portland.
Thanks for the site and the opportunity to share the love for the Sounders.
Oh and one more thing: Mookie – it’s not too late to drop TFC. Hope you’re able to make it to the Manchester United match.
by James Bray on Jul 10, 2011 3:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Dave - uncharacteristic, visceral reporting on your part
Enjoyed the read at the end of a draining Sunday. خوردن گوشت از کفار
From Google Translate: Eating the meat of the infidels.
Is that what’s it’s meant to say or is there something lost in translation?
Proud of the boys!
Showed a TON of heart in battling back twice and ultimately getting the win.
That’s now two FK’s from Montero that have been absolutely inch-perfect. What skill.
Yep
What lazy, lazy skill.
I swear to a non-denominational god that Harkes doesn’t like Fredy. When you grudgingly admit he created a good goal but first have to knock him because “it lacked pace,” you’ve got a problem with objectivity. After all, it was supposed to lack pace.
Man of the Match for Sounders was Fredy Monterey.
Man of the Match for Portland was Diego Chara.
Much respect to John Spencer for utilizing Hyndman’s 4-1-4-1 that gives us fits when we play FC Dallas. It almost worked, but our talent won out.
by James Bray on Jul 10, 2011 4:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
edit
Obviously I meant Montero (but if he scores against Monterrey …).
by James Bray on Jul 10, 2011 4:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Technically, Portland sucks so much we won 5-0.
Hiyoooooooooooooo
by joesz on Jul 10, 2011 4:50 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Is that 10 set piece goals in the last 10 games?
by MicahRowe18 on Jul 10, 2011 4:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I have to wonder how this happened
We were miserable on set pieces until this run.
I have to wonder if we’re in for some regression to the mean on that front.
Clearly we are
I remember the days where I wondered if we would ever score on a set piece. Now it’s just a matter of who scores on a set piece today?
by MicahRowe18 on Jul 10, 2011 5:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Except Seattle was only horrid on set-plays for the first half of last year
both prior and after that the team was excellent within the context of MLS
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Cuz maybe we practice free kicks now?
Remember that back-and-forth from Sigi and Spencer before? Here’s a quote from Sigi:
I thought one of [Spencer’s] interesting quotes — because yeah I read his quotes like he reads mine — was they don’t practice three hours a day on free kicks. But one of his players say they practice free kicks everyday. I know we don’t practice free kicks everyday. Maybe we need to. Who knows? At the end of the day it’s competition. At the end of the day I am eagerly looking forward to our return game in Portland.
Emphasis added by me.
I remember reading that before and thinking “wait, we don’t practice free kicks?!” And I also believe after that game is when we started getting a lot of our goals from set pieces.
And why do you ignore the other 70% of the team's existence?
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Sounder At Heart
Do you have a link to the stats you're referring to?
I’m not doubting you, but I know my anecdotal rememberance often leads me astray in things like this, and I’d like to replace it with hard data.
Either way, I don’t think it’s too controversial that we’ve improved on set pieces during this run. We have 10 goals off of set pieces in 10 games, if what someone posted here is true? I don’t think we’ve ever had a run of being that good at set pieces, though we might not have been as miserable as I remember being.
There are a lot of TImbers fans on the twitterverse proclaiming how epic their tifo was
Am I missing something? What made it so great?
It was the biggest they'd ever done
and still small. It was not unique in its format, style, nor substance.
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Sounder At Heart
by Dave Clark on Jul 10, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yup..
…and that tifo will never snif a tifo that made a Adidas ad.
by Timm Higgins on Jul 11, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I really wanted to say something to one of the organizers who called it "epic" on twitter
but clearly they put a lot of time into it. It just wasn’t anywhere close to being epic in any way shape or form.
It is
overused lately.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
It really is
You going to a bar and having drinks and getting drunk and going home alone as usual is not “epic” yet I constantly hear Friday/Saturday nights being described as such.
by TheTank123 on Jul 11, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I feel like I am wearing crazy pants here but it's the exact same design as DoD but on a smaller scale
by Robert on Jul 10, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like the part that says "Quality over Quantity"
First, you can’t see it because it’s behind the King of Clubs. Poor Execution.
Second, they have yet to show quality on the field.
Third, their Tifo is pretty much a copy design of ECS’s.
Not impressive.
by magistermilitum on Jul 10, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think an 8 of clubs would have been more fitting
But I agree with Aaron…it was very nice and their team still lost.
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by chrisso on Jul 10, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought the point was
that you saw the quality over quantity after the King of clubs came down. I thought it showed well. I liked the King of clubs theme and thought it was clever. I think the quality over quantity thing was not smart not in execution but rather in that there are just too many easy comebacks for sounders. LIke, ’how are those 18 quality points holding up to the sounders 32 quantity points? I know I certainly would take a quantity of 3 goals over 2 quality goals any day. :)
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
The "wuality over quantity" thing was a reference to the Sounders having higher attendance but the Timbers having "better" fans.
Since the notion of one set of fans being “better” than another is completely asinine, it kind of makes me hate that tifo a lot.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 11, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps they were implying that the 2009/10 Cascadia Cups are of higher quality than our multiple USOC titles and playoff appearances.
by Robert on Jul 11, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think they meant that their MLS kit designs are fewer
but have been better on average.
And it’s true.
Nos Audietis
I knew what they were trying to refer to
It just was too open ended and left a far too easy counter.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
It was very nice
Their team still lost :D
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 10, 2011 6:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
My issue is that it is blatantly untrue
I mean, they are NOT kings of our yacht club.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
by 108Ultra on Jul 11, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh...
Let them have their moment. While not as big as the ECS tifo, it was still impressive. To put it in perspective, consider the size of their stadium and it’s the first major tifo they’ve really done.
If only every SG around the country was this passionate about tifo…
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I guess I just thought cutting down the Space Needle in 09 was pretty funny, and their home opener was great too. So I expected something a little more creative/flashy. Nothing wrong with it certainly, I just figured they’d try to come back with something after our tifo crew raised the bar.
I admit I was expecting more too
But we’re better than ridiculing their tifo. Aren’t we? :)
Win with class, I say. I’ll talk about our victory and superior play all day!
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, Portscum is trending in Seattle on Twitter.
Love it. What a fantastic win. Best wishes to JKH and hopefully his injury is minor.
cascadia cup
still need to beat vancouver on 9/24 when we go up to empire field. that will clinch the cascadia cup for us.
That clinches yes
but results between PDX and YVR could change that
When the ’Caps go to Portland the needs in Sept will be known
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Sounder At Heart
The win was great in a Cascadia Cup sense
But I am far from feeling secure about winning the trophy itself. I did a little rundown on the Sounders website HERE and Portland only needs two wins and a Seattle non-win to win it still. Vancouver’s chances are even better.
Think you could do one of those nifty playoff chances charts for the Cascadia Cup?
It's actually quite simple
If the Sounders win in Vancouver, that gives us 8 points. Given that result, the best either of Portland or Vancouver could do would be 7 points (1 from the tie in Seattle, 6 from the wins versus the other). So, that being said, a Seattle win in Vancouver gives us the Cup.
If we tie or lose in Vancouver, however, it obviously changes things.
How would we have 8 points?
We have 4 now, that would give us 7 if win at VAN.
by Boz86 on Jul 10, 2011 8:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We have 5 now.
Draw Portland, draw Vancouver, win @Portland
I think it boils down to this
If either Portland or Vancouver wins both of the matches between them, they’ll be at at least 7 points and Seattle will need a win against Vancouver to get the cup.
If Vancouver wins one and draws one, we still get the cup if we beat them, but on a draw it’ll go to goal differential or total goals scored.
If Portland wins one and draws one, we have an odd situation where Portland has 5 points, we have 5, and Vancouver has 2. We could lose our game and still win the cup if we had a good enough GD. A draw would guarantee the cup, as would a win.
And if they’re all draws, we definitely only need a draw to win the cascadia cup.
To sum up, except in very exceptional circumstances, a loss at Vancouver would mean we lose the cup. A draw wins us the cup in 2 of the possible results, goes to GD on 1, and loses us the cup on 1. And a win wins it for us no matter what.
As for who we should root for,
One Portland win and one draw is the most advantageous set up, and the only situation where we can lose in Vancouver and still win the cup. 2 draws is the next most favorable. The road gets considerably tougher if Vancouver wins one or both games.
Fortunately for us
it’s Vancouver. I seem to remember that they kinda suck this season. Except for Hassli’s occasional wonder-goal.
So I've gathered (from the interwebs) that Timbers fans took a few themes from this match
Evidently, they think their tifo was amazing. I thought it was nifty – certainly better than the run-of-the-mill every game stuff, but way behind Decades of Dominance in terms of scope and direct applicability to the rivalry / history.
Several also seemed to think that the red card and pk were undeserved because Brunner “played the ball,” which evidently forgives his use of his calf to horsecollar Neagle as a means of denying a clear goal scoring opportunities.
I’m a sick person – I seriously enjoy reading these kinds of things from fans of other teams after we get a huge win. I just start giggling.
Great game from the Sounders – I can forgive the own-goal deflection(s) (though not the lapses in defense that allowed the counterattacks to become that dangerous). Super happy to see Montero back to his old self. Perhaps the wrist injury really was what was wrong?
He kicked Neagle in the face
Not only was that a denial of a goal scoring opportunity, it was probably a straight red anywhere on the field.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 10, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correct
The fact that Portscum Footy stated the foul was undeserving of a red card, let alone a penalty, was amusing and slightly unsurprising. At least they agreed that Fredy’s free kick was marvelous.
by MicahRowe18 on Jul 10, 2011 8:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sitting in the press box
and not watching at home gives one a really bad angle and no replay’s to go off of. Thanks for ridiculing my work by the way.
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
by Ryan Gates on Jul 10, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read your stuff all the time Ryan
I’m one of those lurkers in the shadows who enjoys most of yours and Geoff’s work. I wouldn’t spend so much time on your site if I simply wanted to ridicule your work. The comment was more or less a directed at the reaction of Timber fans reactions to the PK/red card. If you had a better opportunity to see the play and replays then your statement in your article would ha ve been unforgivable. As this is the first I read of your location during the game you are forgiven, as I hope I also can be.
by MicahRowe18 on Jul 10, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Emotional reactions
As John Spencer put it “It is a bitter bill to swallow” and it makes it hard to be as fair and partisan as I can be but still be a fan.
No Worries, admittedly my first reaction to most PK’s against my team is “That shouldn’t be a PK” but when I see a replay or able to actually get a good look I usually agree with the call.
The Timbers didn’t deserve to win today, I think the biggest problem with how the Timbers’ fans are reacting is due to the fact that they won 5 in a row.
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
I dont think you should be eating your bills sir.
by SeahawksPhan on Jul 10, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
DOH!
Your right, man it has been a really really long day. Bitter Pill it is
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
"Thanks for ridiculing my work"
hahahaha are you serious? What a joke.
After watching the replay
I don’t think he did kick Neagle in the face, but it was such a desperate, wild, and reckless challenge that he easily could have done so. Even if you get all ball, you’re asking for a red card if your foot comes anywhere near the face.
by Randy Meeker on Jul 11, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Even though he got the ball
he didn’t get the ball away. It was still going to fall at his feet, and Brunner brought him down with his leg wrapped around him. Had he cleared the ball, the “he got the ball” argument would make more sense. But then it is also reckless when you bring your foot that high, and that tackle deserved a red for many reasons.
'Playing the ball' is the last refuge of the soccer-ignorant
by Graham MacAree on Jul 10, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
You're actually allowed to shove an opposing player into a woodchipper
as long as you throw the ball in there first.
Little known fact.
Nos Audietis
by sidereal on Jul 11, 2011 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
My favorite timbers comment
“It shouldn’t have been a card, his studs weren’t even up”
This guy apparently thinks that a studs up tackle means that the bottom of the players boot was facing straight up in the air.
So confused
I’m so totally baffled by that comment it’s been haunting me all day. I wonder if he literally thinks kicking a guy in the nuts is fine because you use the top of your boot to do it. I have so many questions for them. It’s like discovering an unthawed cave man and not being able to communicate.
The "played the ball" argument
sounds cRapidly similar to another fan base’s argument against a red card earlier this season…
by MicahRowe18 on Jul 10, 2011 8:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You cannot be serious.
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For which? Trash talk is one thing, but there’s a point where inaccurate comments like that deserve to be questioned by the ones they’re referring to.
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I'm sorry, did I say that you said that?
Negative. You wrote some very good articles following that game where you went out of your way to be fair and evenheaded about the whole thing, but I will never forget the multitude of comments throughout the interwebs where people claimed he went for the ball. That can’t be forgotten. And anyways, I was looking forward to our big matchup this Saturday. No need to get upset, I shall always remember your writings over on BurgundyWave in those days where we Sounders fans were losing our minds.
by MicahRowe18 on Jul 11, 2011 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ
You blog authors are touchy eh?
And, for that matter
The argument against Alonso’s yellow in the gamethread for this game.
Just out of curiosity,
Where are you reading these reactions?
There are various places
Stumptownfooty, oregonlive, twitter under the ‘rctid’ search, etc.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 10, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Great summary
Much better team won today, and it did by overcoming two unlucky bounces. I would probably add that this was one of the best Sounders performances since joining MLS. Passing was crisp, creating clear cut chances, and just playing great soccer today. Thanks for the great win.
Steve Kelley's article
is not going to help anything re: perceptions of Montero’s laziness. He scored two goals because he decided not to be lazy! :(
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/stevekelley/2015571590_kelley11.html
It is interesting to read Levesque’s and Keller’s quotes on the subject.
Kelley's writing about soccer is equivalent of disaster
with Kevin Colabro as a Sounder’s announcer. I just do not think that any person in the world can cover all sports, let alone be called an expert.
Kelley writing about anything is a disaster
He should stick to doing interviews in ‘Sonicsgate’.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 10, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Steve Kelley only knows how to write about hustle
And he’s incredibly terrible at it.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 10, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I agree with most of the comments here that Steve Kelly is a hack. So is Jerry Brewer. Don’t know if anyone saw his article this morning trying to “teach” th s history of the Seattle/Portland rivalry.
Both Steve and Jerry tend to swoop in whenever something interesting is happening and all of a sudden have an opinion about it. Frankly, Josh Meyers is the only guy at the Seattle Times who actually follows the team enough to have an opinion that matters. Nobody cares what Steve and Jerry think if they’re only going to swoop in once a month to cover the Sounders. Just don’t bother.
Steve Kelley is like the Jay Leno of Seattle sportswriters
I’m sorry if anyone disagrees with this comparison, but he tries to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I agree with him sometimes, but usually he is quite off base.
by agtk on Jul 10, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like Steve
grew up reading his stuff. Maybe I’m biased because of that. I cut him slack because he’s one guy covering a lot of sports, and outside of SAH, nobody understands Montero’s worth. Dave and Jeremiah do a great job showing why he’s a must-have on the field (stats, etc) but they kind of live and breath this team. I think that’s why everybody else who is either a general reporter or an average joe fan doesn’t get it. They look at him as our DP who should be scoring 20 goals a season, rather than our DP who makes things happen and wins us games when he’s on the field.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 11, 2011 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you
Mixed bag for me. Glad the Sounders are starting to get more coverage, but would appreciate a better-informed perspective than Mr. Kelley.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
He's one guy covering a lot of sport - POORLY
He writes hack jobs about anyone who he doesn’t care for – in many cases showing his complete ignorance about the way the sports are played.
I've actually enjoyed Jerry Brewers articles recently.
He’s taken a recent interest in the sounders and I for one applaud it. I thInk having more than Josh carry the torch is a good thing. I haven’t read Kellys article yet though.
by Zakuani11Fan on Jul 10, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also would not lump Brewer in with the likes of Kelley
Jerry is a good writer and I liked his article about how the cities have rivaled each other for over a 100 years with sports and anything else the two cities compete for: beer, food, personal hygeine….
He also comes from the perspective of an open minded sports fan that is still learning to appreciate soccer and hopefully show others it is not too late to learn to appreciate it as well. Dismissing additional attention to the Sounders in the newspapers, television, and radio is counterproductive to growing the sport in the community and keeping that growth healthy.
Also knowing the difference between a beat reporter who follows and reports on the team and a columnist might help K61 understand “swooping”
Nos audietis in somniis, Nos audietis in altum: You will hear us!
by chrisso on Jul 10, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
This, absolutely
Wasn’t it Brewer who went to a game about a month ago, not giving a damn about futbol, and wrote a gushing column about how shocked he was at what a great event our games are?
I say this as a fairly recent convert (I have coached football and basketball, and had primarily been a basketball person for a long time, and suddenly realized a couple years back, after having turned 30, that this sport combines all that I find interesting about sports, languages, politics, and even geography, with some music, architecture, and visual art thrown in), that in a media sense, having a columnist in the major daily of the region every so often saying, “Guys, this really is cool, and even if you’re not 100 percent raised on it, you can probably find it as awesome as I now do, if you just give it a chance,” is a good thing. (That was a horrific sentence, but I am a bit worn from seven hours of bus riding and roughly five hours of singing today, and that’s the best I can do.) Think about some of the stuff that gets thrown around about the game in this country, and why people don’t care, and when guys like Brewer, even if they aren’t 100 percent on point all the time about the details, get involved, we are bringing others with him. I love that.
Jerry's maybe not so bad
You’re right, that many of Jerry’s articles have been “conversion stories” and so probably appropriate given the circumstances. His 100 years article was just poorly written and boring. I lost interest about half way through. I know I’ve seen him do a couple of “Sounders should do this” type articles which really annoy me when coming from someone who obviously doesn’t follow the team closely. Kelly is definitely more guilty of this than Brewer.
More generally, it just pains me to continually see the Mariners getting way more love/coverage from the Times than the Sounders. It’s like they haven’t noticed that the Sounders are outdrawing them by almost double on some days.
You gotta look at it from their pov
I’d be willing to bet that their M’s stories are read by far more people than most Sounders stories. The Sounders coverage will increase as the number of casual followers also increase. There are probably a lot of M’s fans who are more than willing to have the morning newspaper as their primary source of M’s news.
Just looking at attendance on any particular gameday is disingenuous. What matters more, especially for newspaper editors deciding which sports to devote coverage to, is the total number of unique attendees & broadcast viewers. I’m betting the M’s have the Sounders beat by a wide margin on both counts.
Brewers articles
show a lack of understanding but are not bad articles. Kelleys show both lack of understanding and am impression that he think he does understand. Brewer does not bother me. Kelly does.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
this is wrong in so many ways...
I have no idea where this whole “last week he started to work of free kicks” thing came from. I think he misunderstood soemthing Sigi said.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 10, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny because Sigi's real quote actually disproves Kelley.
Sigi said he’s been working extra on his free kicks all year. This sudden spurt of work isn’t so sudden.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 10, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
You beat me to it
The direct quote is: “Fredy has been putting in extra work this year on the free kicks.”
-Ben R.
yeah
Appearantly he is lazy on his PKs. He would do great but he just does not bother talking to his teammates to form a wall because it takes to much energy for his lazy colombian body.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
I think there is a kernal of truth under the BS Kelley spewed.
I wouldn’t say it was lazy vs not lazy, but I’d say it’s trusting team mates vs not.
I’ve always felt that Fredy just doesn’t run off the ball because he didn’t trust his team mates to deliver him a cross as he moved toward goal. So, to get the ball he would drift high and receive the ball with his back to the goal.
Today he was getting the ball in full stride toward the goal. Because of that, he scored twice (the free kick was set up because of movement like this) and almost scored two more.
I won’t use the lazy arguement, but I was very happy to see better movement off the ball from Fredy.
so the kernel of truth in his article is...
Montero had a good game and scored some goals. The rest of what you say seems for the most part true but no where in his article.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
foul on neagle
is the kind of dangerous thing that more mls refs need to card.
If he called the penalty, he had to give him red card
because he prevented clear scoring opportunity. There was no one in front of Neagle. We saw similar red card in the US- Brazil game today even though that was not so clear penalty like the one for Sounders.
by seattle 13 on Jul 10, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's to portland...
…the crappiest town in the country. Now i cant wait for colorado and mullen to visit.
Clearly a man who has never been been south of Portland
I hate Portland as much as the next guy, but it’s only like the 5th lamest city in Oregon.
I love to visit as many terrible cities as I can, kind of like your asshole friend who goes hogging. My top 5…OKC, Cottage Grove (OR), Fresno/Stockton and the entire drive from LA to Vegas.
by B Money on Jul 10, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa
Stockton as an In n Out
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 11, 2011 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions
And In N Out is highly highly overrated.
..never understood the love for In N Out. Their food is mediocre. Give me Burgerville or Fat Burger any day of the week over In N Out.
by Timm Higgins on Jul 11, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
you are going to hell fine sir
STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!!
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 11, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
At least it'll be a delicious beefy hell.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
by 108Ultra on Jul 11, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If you're in SoDo
You have to try Burger Madness by Costco. Much better than In N Out. I like local joints. For chains I think 5 guys has a better burger.
OK, I'm trying Burger Madness on this suggestion
And if it does not live up to the greatness that is In N Out, I am coming for YOU!
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 11, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait
Burger Madness by Costco? Costco is branching out to restaurants now? CAN I GET A CHICKEN BAKE?!?!!!?!!?
Lol. It's in a little strip mall right next door
I didn’t think it would be any good either until my friend convinced me to try it.
next to the Starbucks
That place is pretty great. The only places I’d rather go for a burger are the Counter and Dick’s.
by MicahRowe18 on Jul 11, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh hahahaha
“by” as in “near to”. I like you not so much right now Diz, I had just penciled in my first stop when I come home ;-)
Am I precluded from this conversation
Because I once admitted I prefer my Quarter Pounders without cheese?
"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin
by Little old me on Jul 11, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 11, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you talking about McDonalds?
Because what they have there should not be considered cheese.
by LoiteringWithIntent on Jul 11, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuddruckers is better than all of the above, IMO.
Unfortunately the closest one IS in Oregon :(
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
So Applebees just doesn't make teh cut, eh?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 11, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
saw your tweet on that yesterday
Even better was Pain Machine’s reply! ;)
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, the last Consumer Reports had ratings for Burger chains
Results (CR rating)-
In N Out – 88
Burgerville – 83
Five Guys – 83
Culver’s – 82
….
Fudruckers – 80
Stats FTW.
I weep to see my Fuddruckers in last place
But I do prefer In N Out to Five Guys.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
There were a bunch of others on the list
I just stopped at those mentioned in the thread.
McDonald’s and Burger King were last at 71.
Meh, a burger from a burger joint is the same.
We need numbers to make us feel better so yeah, stats FTW.
Ground beef brisket of flank steak, a charcoal grill, and some devotion. That’s a good burger.
Easy there
A straight drive from here to Portland would pass through at least eight crappier towns. Like Kelso.
But not Vader. If I was from Vader I’d walk around saying ’I’m your father, Luke’ ALL THE TIME
Nos Audietis
by sidereal on Jul 11, 2011 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does anyone know who Pain Machine is on twitter??
He’s been on fire again today after the win
weareecs:"you're welcome" RTshawnlevy Thank you to everyone who had a part in conceiving, creating, transporting & executing the epic tifoKing of Clubs trumped by unnumbered red card. #L2TIFO #YAWN #RCTID
My thanks to Jeld Wen for installing a window in the Timber’s wall.
Whoops, had some editing mistakes there on the first one somehow
It should be: @weareecs & @shawnlevy
by wyte_lightning on Jul 10, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Pain Machine has been fantastic ever since I happened across his work
Certainly didn’t disappoint today!
by MicahRowe18 on Jul 10, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's Gaschk
(running joke, not true). It’s actually LikkitP. (this isn’t true either, but it was a guess).
In other words, nobody can figure it out. We’ve tried.
alright alright Ill admit it its me
as you can obviously tell by my consistent and witty remarks on here…
A sky of blue, a sea of green...(or claret)
by kelliott1527 on Jul 10, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
On one hand I really want to know, and buy him/her a beer.
On the other hand, I never want the masked comedian to take the mask off.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 10, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Right there with you
Pain machine was actually the funniest part of any of the video dating ads. Seeing somebody do a twitter as Pain Machine was good enough, but the little dog is a good addition to the follow list.
Another good one, although he doesn’t do tend to post all that frequently, is our former trialist Cillian Sheridan. He comes out with random stuff all the time that is hilarious.
the best part abot sheridan
He’s a real person. I love @pain_machine, but Cillian Sheridan is like him but without the veil of playing a character.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 11, 2011 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My mind is still racing.
2 amazing wins, 1 day. Amazing
Go USA & Seattle!!!
I can't decide where to laugh or be annoyed
PDX fans are so hapless and misguided about their own team and supporters that it is maddening. I laugh at the ignorance and unqualified blanket statements, and then get annoyed at how baseless most comments are—- often representing a complete lack of knowledge about soccer/statistics/talent/life.
The tifo was good, but not great. To call it “epic” is absurd. The red card was clearcut. It was a foul. And if it was a foul, it was a foul that clearly denied a goal scoring opportunity. PDX fans have been painfully wrong on both of these subjects.
What I’d like to know is why NO ONE talking about PDX playing through two injuries. I loved Ozzie picking up his yellow by laying someone out when they wouldn’t stop playing. Absolutely loved it.
by scottykimberly on Jul 10, 2011 9:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunatelly, it is happening more and more that other team continues to play
when someone from other team is injured. Ten years ago, everyone would stop, today is becoming almost standard practice to ignore an injured player unless the ref stops the game.
To me, the Honey Badger yellow was him showing why I hope he's next year's captain.
I honestly think he could play, and fit in, for just about any team in the world. He is just that good now… I don’t know how well he communicates in the team, or if they see him as a leader, but he certainly plays how I’d like to see an outfield player wearing the armband play.
The idea of Ozzie as at least vice-captain is a good idea.
I wouldn’t be surprised speaking as a fan only to see Riley as Captain though.
I always thought you'd want the captain to be a field player anyway
But don’t know if Ozzie’s personality or language barrier is appropriate for the captaincy (if that’s even a word).
The captain isn’t the best player necessarily, but the best leader for his teammates on the pitch – can we all agree on that? I’ve found myself wondering who wears the band next year though, without coming to any solid conclusions.
Riley seems like a logical candidate but he tends to lobby a bit too much. A reason for him to lobby more might not be the best thing for him.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
his english is good enough to be the captain
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 11, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
attitude
Maybe this isn’t ideal in a Captain, but one look from Ozzie would make me stop whatever I was doing to upset him. Good for keeping rookies in line.
by Derek Young on Jul 11, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not super excited about Ozzie as captain either
His on-field demeanor doesn’t strike me as mature enough for it yet. This is an interesting seed for a post this offseason. Assuming the captain is someone that’s mostly an everyday player and is a good leader, at this point I’d nominate Rosales.
Nos Audietis
Rosales was the name I kept coming back to as well
If not Mauro, Zak definitely takes a leadership role with the team. He’s a bit young to be captain, though. I can see it in his future if he sticks around long enough.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No one talked about it
because it’s not a teams job to stop for an opponent who was injured, especially when that player is on the complete opposite side of the field. There is absolutely no reason why Portland should have stopped for JKH’s injury, it wasn’t a concussion or a clear fracture like Zakuanis. Trust me, you’d rather have a goal during an injury and called a bad sport than stopping a break away for some sportsmanship points.
by TheTank123 on Jul 11, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I could tell from the stands he was definintly hurt. That leg did not move an inch after he went down. But the timbers on the field did not see it nor should they stop an attack on goal for a potential injury. Maybe if it was on the other end, but not an attack like they had at that point.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
They did the same thing when Flaco went down
when he was right in front of the Timbers player with the ball and they did the exact same thing. I’ve seen that same play thousands of times in soccer, but I’ve never seen a game where one team tries to create a scoring opportunity out of it twice in one game. I thought it was completely classless.
by Randy Meeker on Jul 11, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What was classless
was the Portland player who returned the ball to us by kicking it out all the way down by the corner flag. The ref obviously agreed as he let Riley throw the ball in about 30 yards upfield.
by TheTank123 on Jul 11, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
As added entertainment
I am amused at all the ad hominem attacks flowing from the game (see http://bit.ly/pbsukT and http://bit.ly/n0XtLt) It’s almost like “we can’t win on the field, so we are gonna shit talk how much better Portland is!” (without giving a single thing they are better at… Nice).
by scottykimberly on Jul 10, 2011 9:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My couch
Thought I booked a night flight so I’d still be in Vegas for the game. Actually booked a 7AM back to Seattle. I walked in my front door at 110pm—- just in time.
by scottykimberly on Jul 10, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't
but do Brooklyn hipsters have their own mocking show…on the hipster channel? On the real, I think hipster is a relative term and I’m a hipster in a lot of ways (Soccer fan, craft beer drinker, etc.). It just makes me smile when Portland gets made fun of.
There were also the awful, tasteless, shameful jokes about Zak's injury.
Those seemed to be mostly from a select idiotic few, thankfully.
A friend of mine
who is a Timbers fan accused Hurtado of diving on his injury. I then asked him if Zakuani dove when his leg was broken, explaining that Hurtado missed most of last season with an ACL injury. He interpreted this as me saying that we were down by a goal at that point because of Zakuani. I’m not so sure it’s such a select few.
by Randy Meeker on Jul 11, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
It's like they think "Portlandia" is a reality show
and that they are in a non-stop audition.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
so ECS had a tifo in section 223
was it the Levesque tifo from the Seattle match and wasn’t raised because he didn’t score?
I thought that a good tifo from ecs should have been
(and this was inspired by daves tweets about portlands stadium name)
“those that live in glass houses shouldnt play soccer”
but ecs’s was pretty good today (esp considering having to move it a few hours)
A sky of blue, a sea of green...(or claret)
met some Good Sounder fans
at my secret parking lot close to the stadium. there seem to be lots of Sounder fans in a small space before and after the game. I had some great conversations before and after the game. Classy winners for sure. Not like a lot of the stuff on Twitter and the like.
That being said anyone who went to the game regardless of affiliation has to admit the place was electric and it was a great day to be from the PNW and be a soccer fan.
The MLs screwed up and should have scheduled both games in the Summer. Todays perfect weather helped the atmosphere for sure.
And isn’t all TIFO supposed to be a little tongue and cheek?
by portlandpadre on Jul 10, 2011 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah we had a good time down there with my transplanted,now timber fans.
friends were texting me from around the states commenting on how entertaining the match was.
we have a derby.
and RIP Mark Peterson.
i was at the Sounder-Timber match when he scored the winner.
Road trip to SD for Soccer Bowl against the Cosmos
The Cascadia teams have, without a doubt the best atmosphere
Portland does a fine job representing MLS soccer, and the tifo was a nice piece of work. That said, “Decades” absolutely wrecked that tifo, and I’ll put Qwest up against any stadium in the Western Hemisphere, if not the world.
My feelings towards PTFC is similar to my feelings about WSU. It’s a rivalry, but I like the fact that they represent the region well and generally like to see them do well against everyone but SSFC (and Vancouver). If anyones gonna kick the shit out of you guys, it’s gonna be us.
by B Money on Jul 10, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Re-run of the game
Anyone know if there will be one?
espn3 will have it
Beyond that, not sure.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 10, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I heard that it was going to be replayed at midnight (so now for you guys) on ESPN 2 or Fox Soccer or something. I can’t remember where I heard that though so take it with a grain of salt.
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ESPN3
I just checked it out. Also, the women’s world cup match featuring last minute badassery by Wambauch and Solo.
Plus, the World Juggling Championships, so there’s that.
by Derek Young on Jul 11, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Montero
Fredy didn’t just win the game for us today. He won me a million internet points for all the arguments I’ve had with people who said we should get rid of him. Now I just need to figure out where I’m supposed to cash these things in.
by Derek Young on Jul 11, 2011 12:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Anyone else notice
the ‘authentic’ smoke being pumped into the stands after Timber goals?
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
by lysander on Jul 11, 2011 5:52 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Can't wait
to throw it back at them next time they try to say we pipe in noise.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
Nothing will ever touch the smoke at Starfire last year during Open Cup play
I remember half the pitch was in a haze and you couldn’t see… THAT is what it’s all about!
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
That wasn't fake smoke,
that’s what you get when the entire end of a stadium starts blazing on their pipes simultaneously.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
by 108Ultra on Jul 11, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You stay classy timber fans.
In case anybody is wondering, this was sent out to every ECS member including the ones that weren’t traveling down to PDX
In the same fashion as the other Cascadia matches thus far, we do not want to tarnish this event with any sort of confrontation or violence. ECS leadership requires that its members refrain from interacting with Portland supporters in any manner. The ECS wants and expects no issues on match day. Any individual caught instigating altercations with Portland fans, supporters, or residents will be banned from the group permanently with all membership privileges revoked.
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