Best Sounders Team Ever? The Numbers Say Yes
When Steve Zakuani went down with a season-ending injury, things were looking pretty bleak for the Seattle Sounders. When it was learned just a few days later that O'Brian White was out indefinitely with a mysterious blood clot, it was quickly starting to look like a lost season. Over the course of the next few weeks, the season went through some fits and starts, never quite looking hopeless, but giving limited indication that a turnaround was forthcoming.
Rock bottom, as it were, came on May 25 when the Sounders lost 1-0 at home to FC Dallas. It wasn't the worst performance, but it seemed to perfectly encapsulate how the season had gone up to that point. The Sounders out shot FC Dallas 19-7, held possession for 65 percent of the match and, most frustratingly, failed to find the back of the net.
Little did any reasonable observer know that it also marked the turning point of the season. Since that loss, the Sounders have gone unbeaten in 11 straight games across all competitions -- including a 6-0-3 record in MLS -- advanced to the U.S. Open Cup semifinals for the fifth straight year and put themselves in position to make a run at the Supporters' Shield. They've also put together a run that is more impressive than any stretch of games strung together by any previous Sounders team.
During this 11-match stretch, the Sounders have won eight games and outscored their opponents by 10 goals. In the previous two years, the Sounders have never won more than seven in an 11-game span and the most they've ever outscored their opponents by was nine. The 23 goals scored in 11 matches also marks a high-water mark for a MLS Sounders team.
As you can probably guess, the two periods that even come close to this level of success were the opening 11-game stretch of the 2009 season and the stretch of games that came toward the end of last year. There are numerous reasons to think this team is better than either of those somewhat obvious numbers.
The 2009 squad, for instance, started off like gang-busters but never came close to really sustaining this kind of success. By the time they got to Match 11 -- which included a U.S. Open Cup qualifier -- they were in the midst of a four-match run of ties and had already lost twice. From a qualitative standpoint, that team had not been tested in anyway like this one has. There had been no major injuries and things had really fallen into place almost perfectly.
You shouldn't have too hard of a time remembering just how impressive that run in 2010 was, but it, too pales in comparison to this team. That chunk of success followed what was easily the worst run the Sounders have ever endured and so was a bit more extreme from a juxtapositional standpoint.
But it also wasn't quite this impressive. Sure, the Blaise Nkufo led team was good, even very good. The six-match winning streak that made up the bulk of that team's run still stands as the longest in Sounders history. But aside from a 4-0 pasting of the Columbus Crew, they were basically winning one-goal affairs. The only other game that was decided by more than one-goal during their best 11-game stretch was a 2-0 win over Marathon in CONCACAF Champions League, a game that didn't even feature many of the Sounders' starters. That team was pretty close to full strength as well, with Jhon Kennedy Hurtado the only notable player missing significant time.
This current Sounders team has been different. The most obvious is the fact that numerous starting-quality players have missed time at various points. Osvaldo Alonso, Hurtado, Brad Evans, Fredy Montero and Mauro Rosales have all been forced to sit out at least one game during this stretch, to say nothing of players like Steve Zakuani and O'Brian White who have not played at all.
This team has also been forced to come from in-game adversity in a way those previous teams never did. The 11-game stretch includes a road win in which the Sounders were down to 10 men, a win at Rio Tinto Stadium, a win in which they blew a 2-0 lead and three victories in which they erased at least one deficit and two where they trailed in the second half.
If 100 percent healthy, you could make a pretty compelling argument that 18 current Sounders would stand a pretty good chance of starting for almost any team in the league. Alvaro Fernandez and Fredy Montero, only a couple months ago being called DP flops by many in the national media, are suddenly two of the hottest players in MLS. Mauro Rosales, a few months ago considered totally washed up, is a surprise MVP contender. Erik Friberg has emerged as one of the top MLS imports. Tyson Wahl is suddenly a dangerous attacking full back. Even Roger Levesque is showing a remarkable nose for goal that many teams would certainly love to have.
The scary part is that this team is poised to actually get better. White could return to action as soon as this week against Manchester United. There are still lots of reasons to believe a third DP could join the fold. Hurtado is still working his way back to 100 percent health.
Who knows what the future holds, but on the MLS sliding scale of how good you can ever expect your team to really be, it doesn't get much better than this.
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As much as I love Zak...
I’ve always maintained we’re a more balanced (and, because of that, against some opponents, a better) team without him on the field. While he’s clearly dangerous on the ball, his defense (people say MONTERO is lazy…) and his off the ball work is cearly in need of improvement. His style of play often smashes the rest of the team over to the right side of the field to isolate him on the left, which makes us pretty one-dimensional. He could be utilized effectively against opponents with a notoriously slow right back, or late in games when legs are tired (think 70’+).. But currently, I don’t think he’d be starting even if he were healthy.
by Kyle Ritter on Jul 18, 2011 4:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I also think having someone more committed to defense on the left side...
…has given Tyson Wahl a real opportunity to shine. We don’t need the one-on-one marking of Leo when we have a left mid who will cover. It gives Tyson the opportunity to get forward more. It’s helped a lot, and makes it really hard on opposing back 4s when they have to cover overlapping runs on both sides, not just from Riley.
But Leo was best when he could get forward and combine with Zak
he’s lost a few steps and doesn’t have the speed or fitness to contribute effectively on both ends anymore. Wahl has mostly shown his offensive skill on set pieces. He hasn’t had very many effective crosses from the run-of-play (I think).
He would be starting, there's no question
Zak on the left, then Rosales & Fernandez in the mid & right, though I’m not sure which would be in which spot.
i also think that friberg us highly underrated as a defensive presence
he has allowed ozzie to take more risks in possession, i.e., look for those through balls to the outside mids that have been so effective the last few matches. ozzie looking forward is good for sounders.
Fernandez played almost the exact same role as Friberg in the USOC against LA
and played it quite expertly. I think I prefer him out wide, but I think he still is probably an upgrade over Friberg in the mid.
To be clear, these preferences are minor, and the fact that we have so many starting-quality guys in the middle is a lovely problem to have.
No, it isn't minor
Alvaro is a much better CM than Friberg.
He’s a better passer, better dribbler, better defender.
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by Dave Clark on Jul 18, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's the thing, though
a team’s success doesn’t depend on the individual’s skill. sometimes it’s just the tendencies of the players synching that makes a team click. no one’s going to deny that zlatan is an awesome player. just didn’t click in barcelona. (though, it was probably more an ego thing—but you know what i mean)
Except that Alvaro has synched up with the team quite well
in that EXACT ROLE
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by Dave Clark on Jul 18, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not so fast
and I’m not just talking about Alvaro trying to out run someone on the flanks.
Friberg is much better at covering the field side to side for the offense and the defense. Alvaro may be a better dribbler, but he also uses it more than he should, often just dribbling into trouble.
On an empty field, Alvaro might be more accurate of a passer, but he seems to have trouble when pressed just getting balls by other players. That’s why I think he is flurishing out wide, he is getting more space and Alvaro is an assasin when he gets some space. Frieberg is a little better at keeping posession under pressure and creating against agressive defense.
Friberg is a much more adventersome passer. I think this leads to more turn overs, but it also starts offense.
If Friberg could just stop being a little to casual with his passes, he would easily start over Alvaro in the center on my team.
Zakuani is one of the most dynamic and athletically gifted players in the league.
If Sigi can’t find a way to utilize him in a way that makes the team better that’s a Sigi problem, not a Zakuani problem.
(Not that I think he can’t.)
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 18, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Yes, because this team obviously sucked with Zakuani
What evidence do you have?
You mentioned the supposed isolation plays. During this you ignored the secondary runs and Leo as an outlet pass or inward runner. You also ignore that Rosales is being used as a right sided Zakuani on this current run.
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by Dave Clark on Jul 18, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Disagreement isn't the problem
In fact two people who have disagreed consistently write here. I love disagreement. But it needs a basis, and your foundation is shakey.
You have essentially said that Steve Zakuani is merely a sub in MLS, which would mean this league is one of the very best in the world.
I would love to see evidence.
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by Dave Clark on Jul 18, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
not in MLS
just on the current run the sounders are on. is that so nuts?
not sure what you mean by evidence. i’ve just noticed passes through midfield are so much cleaner these days. better than they have ever since making the jump to MLS
Passes through the center are going to both widemids and fullbacks
and your answer was to blame Zakuani, rather than credit the people who are actually passing the ball?
Think about that twice.
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by Dave Clark on Jul 18, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
i just said:
“on the current run the sounders are on…” That seems like a credit to the players playing.
i never blamed zak. all i said is that his style of play leads us to be more one dimensional. look, it’s easy to sit there and tell me my opinions are wrong, asking for evidence, etc., but you just got done posting that the numbers show that this sounders squad, sans steve, is the best we’ve seen. not sure why i’m the idiot for thinking that.
we’re on the same team, bro. if it strokes your ego to tear people apart on the internet, go for it. this just seems like such a weird thing to go to the mat over. i love your blog.
I think your initial comment came across as blaming Zak
Making comments like:
his off the ball work is cearly in need of improvement
and
makes us pretty one-dimensional
both could be interpreted as blaming Zakuani for under achieving, lack of scoring, blah de blah…it just isn’t his fault. The comments are also focusing on how your unbalanced argument is just a little too simple-minded. I come on to this website over others to discuss, learn and sometimes disagree with Aaron, Dave, Jake, Jeremiah and others. But I don’t take their comments as attacks or whatever you interpreted them to be.
If you want to be torn apart this is the wrong place to look for that.
This site is above such things. I am going to get back to my shuffleboard game on my yacht now.
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by chrisso on Jul 18, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure he is blaming
so much as he is saying the game they have going now might not work well with Zaks style. I am not sure I agree, but I can see the point he is trying to make. I am not sure how he can prove it, since you are kinda asking that he prove an unknown (the current squad + zak) is worse than the current squad.
That's not what the original argument was.
And no, it’s not about blame. The argument was, simply, “this team is more balanced without Zak on the field.” And the examples cited were his defense and the team squishing to the right side to give him space.
I would disagree with all of this and feel it’s far too simplistic. It’s looking at the results at present, just looking at one player and citing that as the reason things have opened up. In reality, however, there have been so many changes, including a competent center-mid that is an ambi-passer, between last year and this, and even within this year, that it makes it impossible to just look at one player when evaluating if there was an addition by subtraction situation.
But if there was one player, it was Sturgis. Screw that guy.*
*Kidding. Maybe.
you guys better watch it...
…or the admins are gonna jump on you and start upvoting each other’s comments.
You said the team has always been unbalanced with Zak on the field
implying that this is a bad thing, and that the team right now would be worse if he was starting. You could not have picked any other player to pick on that people would be more defensive towards (except maybe Fucito, lol).
While it is probably true that the team played unbalanced, that’s a necessary result of having Zak on one side, Nyassi on the other, and Sturgis in the middle. It would be ludicrous to have a balanced attack when you have a player of Zak’s skill on the wing.
I don’t understand why you think that Zak’s absence is the main cause of our current ability to string together fluid passes through the midfield. I would argue that it is more likely due to (in approximate order):
Friberg replacing Sturgis
Rosales replacing Nyassi
Alonso’s developing passing skills
Flaco’s adequate replacement of Zak
Montero’s developing linking ability
Parke’s calmness with the ball
Wahl’s long-ball passes
Riley’s experience
Levesque’s defensive pressure
@Pain_Machine’s inspiration
The ineptitude of most MLS midfielders in reading Seattle’s passes
by agtk on Jul 18, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
agree big time with the friberg/sturgis swap
and the alonso passes. interestingly, both things i mentioned above.
all you guys have straw manned my argument into an absurdity. i never said “zakuani is the only reason this team ever had any problems.” i just said our style of play is more balanced without him. not sure how many times i gotta say it. it may not be “better” in the fifa sense (that is, more highly ranked players aren’t playing), but we’re getting a lot of pts/90 with this 11.
i think i’m gonna be done now. this is going around in circles.
Your argument has come across as
this team is better due to Zak’s absence in significant part because we play balanced without him, and his return to a starting role would make the team worse due to chemistry and styles of play.
You also implied that the way he has played has limited the team in the past.
I don’t see anyone as straw manning your argument. People have been pointing out various reasons other than Zak’s absence for why this team is great, and others have pointed out reasons why this team would actually be better with a healthy Zak.
Your observation may be true
but your logic poor. Too many variables with not enough constants; the science community would thumb their noses at your hypothesis.
Plus, there is nothing to indicate that the balance wouldn’t remain once Zakuani returns. The balance can be credited more to Rosales finding his place on this team than anything else IMO.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 19, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
You know what?
Don’t say “let the contrary opinions begin” if you can’t handle contrary opinions.
If you make a flawed argument, people are going to attack it. You’re the one bringing ad-hominem insults into this.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 18, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what's really funny?
I am one of those admins. And I can also see who “upvotes” comments. None of the admins rec’d any of these.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 18, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Now I feel like an idiot
For being the sole upvote of the original comment. I think I understand what the OP was trying to say which is… if you put Zakuani in the lineup for a hypothetical match tomorrow, it’s possible we wouldn’t play as good.
I upvoted at the time because that far-fetched hypothetical made sense… and somewhat still does… but the OP has done no justice for his argument since.
I agree with it too
And would even say he has made sense since. But I think this was one of those unfortunate incidents where both sides started taking offense too easily.
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by lysander on Jul 18, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't get me wrong
Ok, Zakuani is a great player…one of the Sounders best and I believe one of the best mids in the league, however one thing that has always peeved me is how much he holds up play. He gets the ball and waits for his defender to post up with him so that he can beat the defender. While this shows great individual skill and is very dangerous, it also allows the opposing team to get back to defend more. From what I’ve seen with him out is that we can counter and look more fluid with the current line-up.
Now im still debating whether this is because Zaks out or Rosales is in so I would still like to see him on the left with Rosales on the right, because I’m wondering which of these two is the one that makes or breaks our fluidity, but it always did peev me that he would hold and let his defender post up and let the other teams d get situated.
Exactly
Except around here, it’s called the Marvin “the Human Eraser” Webster effect.
It's not that Zak couldn't play in with the current team
or wouldn’t be starting – I have to believe he would be because he’s freakin’ amazing on the field. I just don’t think that this team becomes what it is now if he’s still here. Sigi doesn’t change formations, most likely, and we’re still a target-forward-poor team that really needs a TF. I honestly wonder what will happen when Zak gets back, formation-wise. This team is just playing too well as-is to change back I think.
The shift from 4-1-1-3-1 to 4-1-3-2 isn't huge
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He's a winger, and a damn good one
Why change that?
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by Dave Clark on Jul 18, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed
If he’s up top it negates his speed to a very high degree, unless teams (like Colorado in the 2nd half) employ a very high line
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Why change it ?
Because he would be better for the team up top.
He doesn’t track back to defend very well, which has cost us goals.
He has turnovers in mid-field which has cost us goals.
I realize that his speed would be wasted by not being on the wing, but in my opinion that would be overcome 10 fold by the fact that we would actually have a counter attack to be feared and defended against. Something we have never had.
Alonso, Friberg and a few others have had turnovers
that cost us goals you want to take them out? I mean Parke’s terrible clearance was a turnover that turned into a goal last game should he be taken out?
In soccer you’re inevitably going to have turnovers, it’s just part of the game. Zakuani would be helping us score more goals than he would be giving up, through turnovers, by playing in midfield.
Just because Zakuani is playing in midfield doesn’t mean he can’t be an outlet for a counter.
Zak is still developing. I’m sure with more time his defense will come together more, but I don’t think it’s necessary. He is good at what he does because he is in the midfield. I mean he had 11g 9a from midfield last year and 2g 2a from midfield this year in 6 games. I don’t think those numbers raise much if at all with him put up top. Those are better numbers than a lot of strikers (a goal or assist in 2/3 games).
When healthy, OBW is - for practical purposes - as fast as Zakuani
The speed up top will be there without needing to move Steve from the wings.
by CMC_Stags on Jul 19, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't Zak play up top at Akron?
He was always listed as a forward in college, and though he’s not ideal target forward size (6 feet even), he’d be a force up there.
My only concern is not seeing a lot of set play production out of him. He doesn’t win a ton of headers (though, to be fair, as a winger, he doesn’t get a ton of opportunities).
But Zak’s arguably a more experienced striker than a winger.
Sure he played Forward at Akron for a year
and was a left mid at Arsenal for about 6 before that.
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Just fyi, that's two years...
And he hasn’t been at Arsenal since 2002 when he was 14.
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by SoundersRiot on Jul 20, 2011 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
What are you saying?
That he was 16 in 2002 or that he was with Arsenal until 2004?
I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that he and Arsenal parted ways in 2002. And he’s 23 right now…
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by SoundersRiot on Jul 21, 2011 3:43 AM PDT up reply actions
How good is Zak at hold-up play though?
Don’t recall this being his forte. Also an important part of being a forward…. unless you only want him to make diagonal runs all the time.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 20, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I kinda see your point
but it’s more of a “look what we did without him” I don’t think that’s really fair because unfortunately we aren’t able to see what we would be WITH him in this current run of form.
The whole team has come together and become better yes, was it because Zakuani is out…absolutely not.
I'll say this...
I think in a way that Zak’s absence has helped this team grow. I think they will be better of with him once he returns, tho.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 18, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree
When you have a hammer everything looks like a nail. The Sounders had their big hammer taken away (Zak’s speed and skill on the wing) and had to develop new ways to break down defenses. Hence the wonderful short passing and off-ball movement. There’s no reason to think they can’t keep that growth when Zak returns.
by Dizzo on Jul 19, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Zakuani is obviously a gifted player with talents...
But his talents are different than those of Fernandez and Rosales. I love how things are now starting to work out in our midfield. Fernandez and Rosales do two things better than Zakuani does:
1) when they have the ball on the wing, they are able to spot people quickly in the box and provide accurate service. Zakuani rarely serves the ball, he either tries to work it in with 1-2’s, taking on the man (or blowing right by him), or playing the ball through on the ground.
2) when they are on the opposite side of the ball, they come in well and are very skilled at handling crosses in the air. (Montero is, too, which is proving to be a fabulous compliment for these guys out on the wings)
If Zakuani comes back on the wing, the type of game being played changes as he’s obviously not the target in the air Fernandez is, nor does he provide the service.
They key is how to fit Zakuani back into the roster and not lose what we have. Perhaps the greatest strength his return will provide is we can then mix up our game/tactics more to adapt to different opponents/tactics. So maybe if we need a ground game, Zakuani is in. If we need an aerial or more direct game…
I just tossed out my question, above, for conversation. (Though I think Zakuani up top would keep defences a little too honest compensating for his speed and create space underneath for Montero).
The important thing to recognize is that this is a very good problem to have.
Service
In response to point 1, Zakuani was second to Montero in assists last year and I can think of many of those where he used his speed to break a defense and then found the right open man in front of the goal. And Fernandez actually plays the exact 1-2 and taking on defenders game that you say Zak does. In fact, while Zak is sitting on 2 assists in 6 games for this season, Flaco still has none. I’m not saying Flaco is bad, in fact, I really like his game, but I don’t think the stats reflect the statement, “rarely serves the ball.”
What I don’t see in all this talk is the idea of moving Flaco to center, Zak in at left, Rosales at right and Friberg deputizing at all mid positions. I feel this would utilize all the strengths of each player.
by AdmiralAwesome on Jul 19, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Also
The three, Rosales, Flaco, and Zak could pop up in different positions, varying their formations and really disrupt the opposing defense marking. Forcing the defense to deal with different playing styles within the game can make a team lose its shape quickly.
by AdmiralAwesome on Jul 19, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Flaco
The guy that kills me is Flaco. All the sudden he’s one of the most efficient scorers in the league. A couple months ago people were writing him off.
And of course, we all know Fredy is lazy. ;)
Flaco was falling down more
Now he knows the hits are coming and doesn’t get as pissy when they do come. Still falls down a lot, but not as much
You have to point at Sigi
When faced with adversity, I always think a good coach finds ways to bring the best out of the team. Sometimes, without talent, that means holding your own and treading water.
On a team with talent, that means calling on guys to step up and doing so in a way that breeds performance, camaraderie and – ideally – builds to sustainable success.
The book on this season isn’t complete, but you look at how Flaco and Freddy each spent some time on the bench and how injuries could have been a crutch. You look at games that were ohsoclose to being 3 pts instead of 1.
But still… the overall results.The quotes from all these guys. This is a team that could have fallen apart in a tough league. Instead, it’s threatening to win the whole damn thing. To me, that takes the right coach doing the right things with the right players the right way.
So cheers to Sigi.
by jayw913 on Jul 18, 2011 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 20 recs
^^ Why he deserved the extension
While every coach deals with adversity and personnel issues, Sigi has done fairly well with his two biggest name players leaving on awkward terms and then creating a stronger bond with the team he has left.
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The coaching staff had a flexible plan. It was built on having to compete in 3 competitions this year. As it turned out, that plan compensated for the injury losses that we’ve experienced. The players matter; the coaches matter more.
The Coaching Staff and Front Office
The current success of the Sounders is a combination of multiple factors.
1. Sigi and the coaching staff adapted the style of play and formation to the most skilled players who are currently healthy and able to play. They adapted to the injuries and then tinkered with the lineup until the system came together.
2. The FO continued to build the roster. This is a 3rd year team and the quality depth of the team reflects this. The bench is better equipped to handle injuries and provides the coaching staff with options. They also paid attention the team’s dynamic. In particular, the addition of Rosales provided a veteran presence that has had a profound impact on the mental side of the game for the young Sounders players.
3. The new players have begun to integrate into the flow of play. Everyone now has played together enough that they are able to understand where each player will likely be, how they will play the ball and what they are likely to do off of the ball. This will continue to evolve.
4. And the players are continuing to evolve and develop. Players like Montero, Flaco and Alonso are growing. Veterans like Levesque are continuing to build on their skills. Young players like Neagle are maturing. This pays dividends.
The team has areas it needs to work on. The Defense is still suspect and the team is susceptible to speed. New and healing players will need to be integrated into the system and the system may need to be tweaked to utilize the skills of players like OBW and Zak as they get healthy. The FO will continue to build and look for ways to bring in new skill sets.
The bottom line: The Sounders are playing entertaining football.
by Abbott Smith on Jul 19, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Conor Casey out for 8-10 months with ruptured achilles
I never wish injury on a player (except maybe Mullan, just for the remainder of the year ;-) , but this is unfortunate.
Is it too soon to point out this happened on grass and not turf? When’s the last time an opposing player had an achilles injury on our FieldTurf in MLS? (Serious question)
I think there's a difference between playing on a grass field vs what the SEA-COL game was played on
That surface is much different than a regular grass field. There’s different root structure and drainage is different. Players were slipping all over the place and its fortunate there weren’t more non-contact injuries.
There were also huge divots and soft spots
Plenty of places for a player to catch his cleats and twist a knee or ankle. It was a far cry from a properly maintained grass pitch (although still better than the disgrace that was the Whitecaps field yesterday). I’m hoping there’s no injuries during our friendly tomorrow. It’s not worth it for either team.
All that said
I’m still curious as to when the last time a player suffered a turf-related injury at Qwest. Threat of injury seems to be one of the biggest arguments against turf.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 19, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Threat of injury from turf is one of the most over used unfounded arguments.
There is no evidence to suggest that there are more injuries on field turf (of course astroturf is different) than grass.
by majora999 on Jul 19, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is there any indication his ruptured Achilles has anything to do with the playing surface?
I’m not convinced it had anything to do with the playing surface whatsoever.
It was an assumption; there was no contact on the play
by ABTsportsline on Jul 19, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, Right after S@H readers decide it wasn't the grass
Gary Smith comes out and shares Casey said it was the grass. To his credit, he didn’t complain about it – just acknowledged that it was the cause.
Obviously this is not an indictment against grass, seeing as how that wasn’t a proper pitch and the grass wasn’t rooted. But still, ironic in the face of all the “turf injury” complaints.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 20, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
It's unfortunate that the surface really even comes up in this discussion
It’s not normal for a player to slip and rupture his Achilles tendon. If Casey didn’t have this problem last Saturday, it was going to crop up eventually. In the course of the season, players will slip thousands of times on a variety of surfaces, yet Achilles tendon tears are rare. If Rapids fans want to really pin this on the Sounders and the surface, hey, whatever gets ‘em through the night, but just like rash challenges don’t always end in broken legs, a slip on the turf doesn’t always end in a ruptured Achilles tendon.
I'm with you on this one
I don’t think it was the surface as I didn’t see his foot slip or get stuck (imo). Here’s the rub though, the surface would of gotten blamed even if we didn’t have a temp turf out there. So until Casey comes out and says the pop in his Achilles coincided with his foot slipping or getting stuck I’m moving on, nothing to see here.
by Colin Johnson on Jul 19, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The grass actually lept off the ground along with Casey and attacked his achilles tendon.
Judging by the blame I’m seeing Rapids fans place on the grass surface, I think that has to be the working theory.
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Jul 19, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
The grass was specifically grown and trained to attach Rapids players during the match
It’s part of Vulcan Industries new get-even line of seeds.
Agree with you here
It looked like he landed funny and rolled it a bit, in a addition to it looking like the rest of his body still had momentum in one direction while his foot was firmly planted at a bad angle.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 19, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't look like the surface was to blame
MLS has a great replay of the injury and it looked like his landing on his left foot caused the injury.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/videos?catid=1822&id=17136
That said, the surface was terrible and there was a lot of slipping that could have led to injury. I hate to see any player go out with an injury like this, so I wish a speedy recovery to CC and of course feel for the Rapids fans loss of an efficient striker.
by Zakuani11Fan on Jul 19, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Beckham torn his Achilles last spring
while playing with AC Milan… and they play on better grass than what we had at C-Link Saturday. It’s just what happens. It is possible that it might not have happened on another surface, but injuries like this are always possible no matter the conditions.
As far as most observers
I thought Dallas was the turning point, it was important as it was the first time this season we had the option to start Rosales, Flaco, Alonso and Friberg together, after that match every chance Sigi had to use that midfield he has and it has helped a whole lot.
Did anyone see this?
http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/content.php?2009
Toronto shopping Sturgess back to us for Estrada, Montano and Fucito!
I am happy this did not go through or else I would have been really pissed off.
by fcjake on Jul 19, 2011 3:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
That could still be a good indicator of what's up.... from the Sounders side.
Shopping Estrada, Montano, and Fucito. Throw out the Sturgis rumor.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 19, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
In my opinion
That would be a stupid stupid trade for the Sounders.
Sure money is an issue, but Fucito and 2 young players for Sturgis? Really?
by SeahawksPhan on Jul 19, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously a move more for the roster and cap than talent acquisition
Don’t think it was about acquiring Sturgis as much as getting rid of 3 players and freeing up some roster & cap space.
Wild theory regarding the Sturgis part (if that rumor was even true): Perhaps Sigi wants depth behind Carrasco in the future when Alonso eventually leaves for Europe. Sigi is familiar with Sturgis, and as unpopular as he is amongst the fans, he’s somewhat in the Vagenas mold which we know Sigi is very fond of.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 20, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand trying to move Estrada, Montano, and Fucito...
but it doesn’t make any sense to move them for Sturgis unless we’re simply clearing roster spots.
It's important to note that a boatload of allocation money-rumored to be around $250,000-would have been coming along with Sturgis in this deal.
We don’t know nearly enough about the terms and negotiations to make any judgements about this.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 19, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Also probably why TFC said "no thanks"
Wonder if the deal could have gotten done with less allocation money demands?
by ABTsportsline on Jul 20, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions

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