Manchester United Crushes Seattle Sounders Reserves 7-Nil Final
Seattle Sounders FC was not supposed to win a match against Manchester United. It probably wasn't even supposed to be close. But in the first half, it was and for 45 minutes the 67,000 fans saw high quality soccer played by both sides. Yes, the Red Devils played patient, slow football. It is their pre-season. Seattle though had strong possession, created some chances and showed that while they might not be as famous, players like Alvaro Fernendez, Osvaldo Alonso and Fredy Montero have the qualities of being great soccer players. James Riley in attack was strong, though he let Ashley Young too much space. That first frame looked like a typical Seattle team - strong in possession, weak on the counter and prone to one defensive error.
They did that against one of the top three teams in the world. You can split the hairs between United and Real Madrid, it doesn't matter. Sure, they were out of fitness. Everyone knew that coming into the match. Seattle's first team still looked appropriate though they were down 1-0.
Then half time came. Sigi Schmid made wholesale changes (well except at right back, because Zach Scott can only be in one place at once). Things went down hill quickly. Sir Alex Ferguson made minor changes, one though was key as he added in one of the best strikers in the world, Wayne Rooney. Seattle's reserves were no match. Whether it was Scott getting beat on the left, later in the middle, the tiring Riley in the middle, Taylor Graham in the middle, Servando Carrasco in the defensive third, Seattle's Reserves weren't up to par with Manchester United.
This isn't a surprise. While the score looks embarrassing, it does not matter. No one was going to become a Sounder fan tonight because of the score. This game was about spreading the love of sport a little bit, it was about showmanship. Everyone inside CenturyLink Field, or watching on TV, got a show.
There were a few positives in the second half. All were in chance creation. None were in finishing. Mike Fucito created a few opportunities, not just through hard work but creative passing, strong footwork and decent pressure. Pat Noonan continues to be better than his detractors recognize. When pressed into becoming a more defensive player David Estrada toughed it out and won't be featured on a highlight reel.
Late in the game Mrisho Ngassa became the first ever from his nation to take the pitch against the most popular team in the world (tm). When he returns home to Tanzania he will have stories about the time he nearly scored against them. Whether he stays here longer or not, he is also now part of Sounder lore and maybe someday that can be part of his story as well.
Again, it doesn't matter that Seattle lost. It is a Friendly. Nothing was on the line except a smile and a good time. Some decent soccer was played tonight by Seattle. But you can't judge the team by this performance, nor any players. No one showed things that were unknown. None were worse or better than expected.
Next up San Fransisco FC of Panama - that game matters.
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A good show
Involves tension and drama; the anticipation and thrill that comes from unexpected outcomes or at least the possibility of them. This was not a show, this was a massacre.
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 9:42 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
This was embarrassing. I don’t really care that the result doesn’t count. Those are professionals out there and I guarantee you the Sounders are just as embarrassed as Sigi claims to be. And they should be.
Maybe the Sounders weren’t going to win over any new fans but the league might’ve with a decent showing tonight. MLS is fighting an uphill battle in an effort to gain the respect of fans who think it’s a bush league. Even some in the media (looking at you Todd Dybas) have called it a second rate league where no self-respecting international player would go (paraphrasing). I think we never expected to beat ManU tonight but this result should be unacceptable to the fans and certainly the players, coaches, and front office staff.
Oh well. Time to regroup. Lots of teachable moments in this match for Sigi and crew to address over the next week. I’m sure I’ll feel less humiliated tomorrow.
We're not going to grow our fanbase by appealing to people who don't respect the league or sport.
MLS 2.0 is built on the idea of going and getting people who already like and respect the sport. Fans who think MLS is a bush league weren’t going to do a 180 and become season ticket holders if we had put up a respectable loss. The approval of Todd Dybas (or any other pundit) is not what’s going to put butts in seats.
MLS 2.0?
Forgive me, is that like Web 2.0? Does it come in pastel colors, big fonts, and soft borders?
I don’t care what flavor of marketing we’re talking about but I’ll drop the point about what it means or doesn’t mean for the league and accept that it wouldn’t have mattered if the Sounders had lost 4-2 or 7-0. Fair enough.
And maybe in the grand scheme of things it won’t mean anything for the team itself. But I still don’t like the result whether it’s a friendly or not. It still feels bad.
It’s too bad the Sounders have almost a whole week before their next competitive match — I’m sure those guys are itching to get out on the pitch and get this taste out of their mouths. I know I am.
Time to invite Kitsap over for a scrimmage at Starfire?
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Sounder At Heart
Whats wrong with just being where we are.
It was like the Yankees playing a AA team.
I like my AA team and don’t care about the result. Sure, at the game, surrounded by red shirts in 122 no less I felt wounded. This morning (a little hazy) I feel like it was just a friendly and our boys did what they could vs. a team with a salary cap that is insane.
This morning I am glad to have a soccer team filled with young men, veterans, and cast offs. Players that enjoy their sport and love what they do. People who you can say hi to when they’re in a mini-mart preparing for a hike, or bowling for a charity event put together by a local supporters group.
There is no need to regroup. Our boys took it easy last night. They know when games matter. :)
Disagree slightly.
The players and coaching staff were mortified about last night’s result. They didn’t take it easy. They played hard and were beaten soundly. Whether that matters or not is another topic but don’t think for a second that they feel ok about the lopsided result.
I suppose.
At the half things changed for sure.
It was a balanced 1-0 at half though.
It’s not like it was a massacre from the start.
Lame.
I’m glad you can find the positives from the game, but all the same, I’m glad now that I was unable to watch.
by Mind of no mind on Jul 20, 2011 9:43 PM PDT reply actions
The second half was painful
but the first half was definitely enjoyable to watch. We were down a goal to Colorado at halftime last week. This week we were down to ManU one goal at halftime.
by agtk on Jul 20, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It didn't really feel like Sigi bunkered down
which was the right move, IMO.
I was proud of the first half.
I feel like the Sounders deserved a goal out of the game with the chances they created, but so be it that they were struck with the curse of the voodoo net. The second half was cute, watching former USL-level defenders and an MLS rookie take on Rooney and Park. Ugly final score, but nobody was injured seriously (except Evans taken off for precautionary reasons) and ultimately nothing to lose except dealing with more internet morons going “HAHA 7-0 SEATTLE SAUNDERS SUCK!”
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Jul 20, 2011 9:47 PM PDT reply actions
Agreed
A lot of things for true fans to really be happy about and take away. And actually, I would say that the first half was actually quite a show. The seconds half, and maybe this is just me, got so one-sided that it was hard to watch. Hard to watch because it stopped feeling like a game and started feeling like a schoolyard bullying. Maybe that’s just me, but I don’t ever want to pay money to see that. I’d rather watch an EPL all-star skills challenge or something.
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
After one of the good saves from Manchester
in the second half (after the score had been run up) the lady behind me said that the keeper should have just let it go in to be sporting. I couldn’t help but agree.
I take some issue with this...
Pat Noonan continues to be better than his detractors recognize.
He didn’t take his several chances particularly well and he didn’t have much distribution that stood out (although he is certainly not individually responsible for the dysfunction of the second half midfield). He looks like he belongs as an MLS reserve, and I’m not sure that is any more or less than the detractors would claim.
It's the intelligence
He had some mouth-watering first and second touches. Some great positional awareness. But like Sigi said in press conference. Finishing in front of the net is the difference between good and great.
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
He's still got some touch...
but is his distribution, pace, or striking ability good enough for you to want to count on him in a meaningful game? My argument, as a detractor, is that he’s a 31 year-old injury-prone reserve player on this team who shouldn’t presently rate higher than the bench for the depth chart in any game outside of the reserve league. I believe there’s some merit to a potential mentoring role, but I would like to see some developing players get valuable game minutes.
Ya.
Honestly, I think it’s because we’re down two forwards since the beginning of the season, and so we signed him to a temporary extension. But Dave or someone can correct me on that if im wrong. But I think they extended his contract for less money and a shorter period of time.
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
all sounders want from him is to be a competent reserve. So, seems to be working out just fine.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 20, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
That’s all they want for now. But did I get the contract thing right? Or am I crazy? They did sign him for a short term contract, right?
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
it's probably short term, yeah
I would imagine he’s not signed beyond this season.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 20, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
fair enough...
but then, that’s the detractor line… or at least the one I was responding to.
I think there’s something to be gained by giving Estrada or Seamon or other young players reserve minutes Noonan is taking away. I have no idea what his contract extension happens to be, but he is nevertheless taking up a roster spot to play in a meaningless reserve league.
nima, you may be a detracter
but you aren’t somebody who called for him to be waived while injured.
or put out to pasture
or hoping for another injury
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by sidereal on Jul 20, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
that's why "some issue"
and certainly there have been some inappropriate comments on Noonan.
The waived while injured thing is a tougher one, though, than the basic ethical question of letting him prove he’s still worthy of a contract, when the injury problems persist over a full season (and two short term contract renewals) of failing to receive adequate minutes. It makes the question a bit more dicey.
Someone explain to me how this was good
in any way for our team, the MLS league, or for bringing positive attention to soccer in America in any way??? THIS WAS HORRIBLE in every way imaginable. Far from “exchanging shirts” with the Man U players I would probably rather punch someone in the face. We, MLS, are just a laughing stock now, and thanks to the ridiculous hype this entire event has done more than leave a terrible taste in everyones mouth, it has made me HATE Man U (where before I respected them and even envied them) and has likely turned off more fans than it might have created. PATHETIC SHOWING ALL ROUND ONE EVERYONE’S PART. I have NEVER been a fan of friendlies and this “match” has clearly demonstrated why. SO SUCK!!!
I think the emotion is overshadowing the good points you make here. This looked uncanny and just plain wrong It didn’t look like a professional football match. But let’s not let the emotion allow people to beat don the strawman. Most people probably dont blame the Sounders or ate ManU because of this. But let’s call a spade a spade. This was not football, and we dont want to pay to watch a carnival sideshow.
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats what Im saying - mostly
Why do I want to watch a “dream team” sit back and shoot the ball at an empty net all night? Lets face it, SFC fans will be SFC fans and Man U fans will be Man U fans, I HIGHLY doubt that SFC or MLS got any new fans out of this joke of a match. People will look at the scoreline and go “yep, who would expect anything different from a c-league?” I don’t see ANYTHING good from this at all except maybe the FO got richer from the gate draw. Right now, I don’t want to go anywhere near a reserve game because I’m so pissed off! Yeah we hung with them for most of a half but did MU really look like they were trying at all? Sad sad day really. I hope the league reconsiders how they do “friendlies” from now on because to be honest, Im not feeling to much fucking friendly at the moment.
Agree with everything
Except the part about them not trying in the first half. I saw 2 or 3 Sounders who could actually hang, and I saw a starting XI who were well up to the task.
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do I want to watch a "dream team" sit back and shoot the ball at an empty net all night?
Seriously, I think we should have changed our name to the “Washington Generals” for the second half.
by regnaD kciN on Jul 21, 2011 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good first half
We played them tough and respectable during the first half. ManU should be ashamed of themselves for beating up like that on a C squad. Pathetic. No class, no sportsmanship.
by Kevin McLaren on Jul 20, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
They are paid to put on a show
Fans didn’t go to this game to watch ManU kick the ball around in their own 3rd…
I was definitely bummed int he 2nd half, but I was expecting it! I understand everyone is angry, but what did you really expect when you saw our reserves come in? You’re putting guys who regularly don’t make the Sounders 18 against guys who DO make ManU’s 18 in most matches…yea, it sucked, but maybe the FO will use that money to buy that player we’ve all been dreaming of? Then would this match be the worst thing on earth? Just my two cents
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by Zack Ryland on Jul 21, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
We put in our reserves against Chelsea and Barca in 2009...
Against Chelsea, it was 0:2 at the half and 0:2 at match end.
Against Barca, it was 0:2 at the half and 0:4 at match end.
Given that, and that we should have better top-to-bottom depth now than then, I certainly wasn’t expecting the score to go from 0:1 to 0:7.
But, when you mention “put on a show,” I had assumed an “international friendly” would be a game to give local fans a chance to watch one of the world’s finest, in a no-pressure match that could be enjoyable for everyone. Instead, it turned out that this was to be a “show” for ManU fans in the U.S., where they could come to Seattle, visit the Space Needle, eat a little salmon, watch their favorites totally crush the local patsies, and leave chanting “We’re Number One! We’re Number One!” and laughing at the losers who actually think winning a US Open Cup or two and ranking third in their division of their fourth-rate league is something worth boasting about. Given that, I’d just as soon pass…although I would think that deciding to stop holding mid-season friendlies altogether, after tonight’s debacle, would seem like we just wanted to run away from any further humiliation in the future.
Why do you care what Man U fans think about the Sounders?
Why should anyone care what they think?
by wyte_lightning on Jul 21, 2011 2:28 AM PDT up reply actions
After meeting some ManU fans last night
I can confirm I care even less about what they think than before.
by Dizzo on Jul 21, 2011 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Were those really Man U fans?
Or Americans? I take issue with Americans claiming to live and die by foreign teams. There is no way in hell they can possibly have the connection by living thousands of miles away and not growing up in the culture. I love Tottenham Hotspur. I follow them religiously. But don’t think I’d be going to Qwest all dressed up in Spurs gear if they came for a friendly.
I wish Americans would get over this soccer complex and follow foreign teams as a hobby, and not act as if they grew up down the road from Old Trafford and look down upon their own country’s league.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Check out the photo gallery from the Times
All the Man U fans shown are from Lynnwood, Olympia, etc.
Almost as bad were the Chicharito fans that were out en masse last night. I loathe Mexican national team fans.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 21, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah stupid Americans pretending like their English teams could possibly mean anything to them
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 21, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a bit defensive about this one.
The connection I have with Villa is just as deep as my connection to any other team. Is it different? Of course. But I still live and die by them.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 21, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
This is harder to put into words than I thought
My gripe is not with people who have adopted a team and care about them and follow them and who get disappointed when they lose, or ecstatic when they win, and feel a connection. Which if I implied, was not what I meant.
My gripe is with people who act as if they follow EPL/La Liga/whatever and latch onto whatever big name team, and then talk shit about MLS or other lesser leagues because they are below their league they follow, as if they have any sort of foundation to stand on? Or any kind of credibility? 99% of these clowns cheering for Man U and looking down on our boys don’t have an f’ing clue. They just laugh at the crappy American soccer getting destroyed by their superior EPL side. That shit pisses me off. Go move to England and follow your precious team with your wafer thin knowledge of the game and your superficial loyalty. Man am I fired up now.
Anyway. Your demographic is not what I’m targeting here. Because I am part of your demographic. Not to the extreme you are, because I don’t write a blog covering Spurs. I don’t know what got you watching Villa, but I have my own weird story that got me into watching and following Spurs, and I’m excited to watch their next campaign get going. I don’t know if this clarified at all, it makes sense in my mind but I cannot put into words what exactly it is that I want to say.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I will absolutely agree with that.
I will never understand people that are soccer fans yet don’t support their local team. I know plenty of people with a lower opinion of MLS than I that are still hardcore Sounders fans. Being snobby about it baffles me.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 21, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Cool
That’s what I was getting at. Peace be with you
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Without turning this into a fight
If you aren’t from Aston (or even England), how can you say that with a straight face?
Being a fan is one thing……but what you are describing is completely different.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 21, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I will admit I don't understand the live and die part
I don’t know if I could ever get that attached to a team that’s never been and never will be local to me. But that’s just me.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Thats what I am getting at too
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 21, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
This is obviously not something you understand.
And I don’t mean that in a patronizing way, believe me; you’re far from the only person that doesn’t understand the connection.
But it exists. You can either believe me or you can’t. Don’t much care either way.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 21, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess a better way of putting it would be this:
Most people connect to teams because of location. That’s what makes the most sense. It’s why I’m a Sounders fan, a Mariners fan, a Memphis fan.
But there are lots of people who connect with teams for other reasons. I know a couple of guys from England that are die-hard Mariners fans. I would never question their connection to the team, because I have seen their devotion in action.
The reality of it is, sports fandom is inherently irrational. People feeling a connection to teams from places they’ve never been is weird to a lot of people, and I get that. But I also just don’t really care. I know they’re important to me, and that’s what matters, because in the end sports are just entertainment.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 21, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
That makes sense to me
Elements of that pertain to me, with my love of Tottenham. It has also fueled my dislike of Man City.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
How did you get to become a Villa fan?
My “team of choice” in Europe is Manchester United, and that’s all from my coach when I was younger. He told me I reminded him of Cantona so he sent me home with a bunch of tapes. I sat watching, mesmerized, not realizing soccer could be played so beautifully.
That being said, I’m a Sounders supporter first and foremost.
Did you ninja kick one of the opposition's parents?
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Figuratively
They felt their childs pain.
I've been sporadically watching PL matches for several years
Can’t find a particular team that ‘speaks’ to me, so I just watch what I can for the quality. It’s so crazy – they finish their chances there! :-P
Watched Fulham on occasion for obvious reasons. Not beautiful football though.
Watched Hull City last year. Wanted to gouge my eyes out.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 21, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
do like edward I
win you battles at home, first.
this was a ManU show
From the ads on the sideboards to halftime entertainment to letting Rooney make third-stringers his toy. If this gets ManU wound up, good for them.
For me, I’m thrilled no one got injured and OBW made the field. It’s clear that our defense is going to need tweaks, but that was hardly a new development.
Let the world say whatever. In our last game with no consequences in 2011, we got thrashed. I highly doubt this is going to do anything but make our good team hungry to shake it off and do their own shock-and-awe in Panama and Houston.
by jayw913 on Jul 20, 2011 9:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I'm going to be so happy when it's a week from now and everyone has gotten over this silliness and are back to caring about competitive games.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 20, 2011 10:01 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Unimportant ?
Probably the worst time to get absolutely slaughtered. Just as the Sounders begin to make a good impression throughout the league for technical and team work skills, they instead end up the team that gets beaten by the most goals in a match against a top level club this season. Instead of continuing to gain more street cred and take their unbeaten streak further, dramatic line-up changes plagued and killed the game for me. I actually left after the fifth goal. I understand that Sigi wanted to take a look at different players but it seems that Sir Alex was content with keeping a majority of the best players in the world on the pitch. People payed a lot of money to see Man U play their great players. I payed a lot of money to see a fair, fun and effort filled game. Great first half, second half…………As others have mentioned, prior experience with getting destroyed by amazing teams leads to some losses and bad games in the direct future. If we happen to lose the next couple of games I’ll be able to say “I told you so”.
by ColinTheMaster on Jul 20, 2011 10:03 PM PDT reply actions
and what happens if we don't lose teh next few games?
Hope you’ll be coming back to say you were happy to be wrong.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 20, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow... so many things...
First: our unbeaten streak hasn’t ended. This was a friendly.
Second: Nearly any player that Man U puts on the pitch is going to be a top player in the world. (FYI they made a ton of subs)
Third: What Jeremiah just said.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 20, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually our unbeaten streak was broken 2 days ago
When Montero lost to Nani in FIFA 11. #EveryGameCounts /end sarcasm
by Derek R on Jul 20, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
If our team loses it's touch soley because of this game
Then we never had the team we thought we did. The important thing to take out of this is that our starters held their own against ManUtd. If anything that should boost them up. Our reserves are probably too thrilled by the fact that they actually got shoved to the ground by Vidic to actually care.
Credit to the Man U keepers.
Some really great saves in there. Seems like the Sounders had 3 shots that would have been goals against MLS keepers.
Ok I found a positive..sort of
Rooney is a beast of a player! Beckham could not so much as carry his boots. On another level of competitiveness than certainly ANY player in our league. He is like some kind of machine that is programmed to destroy what ever is in front of him. If only there were some one that comes somewhere close to WR on our side or in our entire league!… If only
Really?
I just felt cheated when basically the majority of our starting eleven didn’t play the second half. There is plenty of time before our first CCL game and I was so pumped after the first half I thought that with that same line-up we could have grabbed a goal and played some good football. Whoever says that Noonan, Jaqua and Taylor Graham subs vs Rooney and Carrick subs are fair must be out of their minds. Does anyone remember friendlies from the past? Starting eleven mostly for each team during the entire first half. Then to be fair and balanced both the Sounders and their opponent made large amounts of substitute changes and from what I remember our reserve squads held the other friendly team’s reserves to one goal or no goals scored. I didn’t pay a large amount of money to see our reserve team play Rooney.
by ColinTheMaster on Jul 20, 2011 10:25 PM PDT reply actions
YOu certainly have a right to be disappointed in this game
But let’s keep it in perspective. If you want to bitch about the starters not being left in longer, fine, I can’t begrudge you that. But the idea that this says something about the sounders beyond the idea that our reserves aren’t world-class is horribly misguided.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 20, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ya, to a SFC fan all is still good..
But one of my points is that this is not just about “our” hard core fans. I think the boarder line fans probably are wondering what all the fuss is about MLS/SFC right now and that aint good for the league. One of the constant knocks you hear from them is how crappy the play is compared to “real” footy over seas or down south. Did this do anything to change their mind?
If those fans are so astute...
They probably were impressed by our starters and realized that our reserves were horribly outclassed. If they couldn’t see that, I don’t think they were ever going to be fans anyway.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 20, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS
Is a point that needs to be pushed to the front. I feel that some are so focused on the score line that what really happened last night. The Starting XI held their current form against higher level team. This shouldn’t break their form going forward. I couldn’t care less if the likes of Graham, Scott, and Carasco got beaten badly by some of the worlds best.
I would say that those who are so upset by last night’s match are either 1.) not educated enough in the game to recognize that this was actually two different matches in one night, 2.) weren’t paying close attention and are just looking at the result, or 3.) had poor judgement in their expectations going in.
If “Trophies not friendlies” is truly your thing, then last night was perfect. I didn’t need to see anymore out of the Sounders starter than they showed in the first half – I was delighted at their performance, and even more delighted to see them sit the second half.
I wouldn’t expect anything else from Man U. I’ve played in games where I’ve been toyed with by superior talent, and it is more of an insult than just taking your whoopin’.
All told; I thought last night was great. If you wanted/expected to see something different out of the match, it’s my opinion that you just don’t get it.
But again, those people probably weren't going to be convinced anyways.
United does this kind of thing to teams in more well respected teams playing full-strength in actual competition all the time. The people that use this as evidence of MLS being bad are likely looking for excuses to call MLS bad in any case.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
This bunker mentality about “those people” who never were going to be fans is not really fair. I agree that there are spectators who are never going to like American soccer, but let’s not pretend like this doen’t matter at all. Little things do matter. Legend, mystique. Those things actually matter. I don’t want to start counting who the real fans are and who the “others” are who will never understand. Suffice it to say that while this isn’t as bad as some people make it out to be on this comment thread, it’s also not entirely insignificant. Hanauer has said over and over again that he’s building this team to compete with the best in the world, to transcend mls. I think this team and this management structure has the potential to do that, and no single game is going to make or break that effort, but let’s please stop pretending like it doesn’t matter at all. It just isn’t true.
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't think it does matter at all.
Or at least not enough to be significant.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
In re: "those fans"
I agree that you don’t want to completely write off casual or prospective fans, but I think that seeing 67,000 people packed into a stadium with great atmosphere will have more of an impact on those people than an uneven score line in a friendly match.
My head wants to agree
My gut tells me that there’s something not entirely rational that was lost tonight in terms of club momentum in a broad sense. In terms of brand and gravitas. Maybe I’m crazy. I mean, I’m arguing against myself here. Usually I’d be inclined to say, let me lose every friendly 10-0 if it means I can keep winning in games that matter, but something instinctively tells me that viewpoint is missing something important. Maybe it’s post match depression?
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I am feeling simliarly.
I think I’m taking this a little hard because I sit in the first row of section 147 and had to witness 6 goals go in the net 20 feet in front of me. It was ugly and difficult to watch. It’s probably clouding my judgment right now.
I’m guessing that tomorrow I’ll feel better.
Same here...
When people say “we succeeded because we didn’t have any injuries,” I’ll reply that a defeat like that can be an “injury” to team spirit in itself. Feeling like an international laughingstock for the next few days, then traveling down to the heat and humidity of Panama to play a meaningful match in front of a hostile crowd (and, most likely, with the sort of officiating that often makes the CCL feel like “get the gringos!” city) is about as bad a scenario as I could imagine. I guess we’re about to find out how good a “people coach” Sigi can be…if he can get the players mentally over the aftereffects of a slaughter like this, he’s better than I thought.
What is momentum? I don't think it's a real thing at all.
I think what we would describe as “momentum” is actually fit players being deployed in a formation that suits their skills. That’s what has lead to our recent success. There’s no reason to think that any of that will change because of this result.
Our starting XI have never played a full friendly
So I think it would have been hard to expect. But I do agree that given the circumstances it would have been a very nice thing to try.
Bottom line is this..
If it’s “just a show case” than it’s just a show and MUST be choreographed like a show, period. If it is supposed to have ANY competitiveness in it, then make it a competitive match and get on with it. This however, was a VERY BADLY (non)choreographed mix of sheeite! The Coaches should have met pre-match and said “this is how we are both gonna do this” – at least for who they were going to play and when.
Nobody wants to pay money to see the soccer equivalent of ice capades.
People paid a lot of money to come to this match and see the best in the world ply their trade. They got it.
Well, I don't know about "people"...
…but I came to the match to support my team and watch an interesting game — not for the “fun” of watching my team get their faces ground into the mud by a world-famous opponent who jumped at the opportunity to run up the score on a bunch of reserves.
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You really think Man U "jumped" at the chance to run up the score?
You think they need to validate themselves by blowing the doors off the Sounders reserves?
No, more like they couldn’t help the fact they were 100 times better than their opponents, and they are getting ready for their regular season.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 21, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Sigi did say he was going to play everyone before the match
It was fairly obvious that they would make huge changes at half, as they have in most friendlies.
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Everyone but Ford
I don’t understand why he didn’t put Ford in after the first 4 goals conceded by Boss.
by MicahRowe18 on Jul 20, 2011 11:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Because Ford is young enough that getting shelled by Man U might actually have a negative effect on him?
yeah but he could have also shown something better
i mean dont you think some of the younger field players probably had a negative feeling after the game.. Ford wont improve unless he gets playing time.. and Boss isnt improving. I would have rather seen Ford get the last 10 to 15.
I agree, just offering possible reasons for Sigi not playing him.
Speaking as someone who was a young (early 20s) collegiate level keeper once, getting ripped apart like that can be much rougher to get over than for an outfield player, even if there’s nothing you can really do about the goals.
I’m almost excited for the schedule to get a little more full just to see more of Ford, Tetteh, Montano, etc. in reserve league and USOC play.
I dread the thought of Boss as starting keeper next year...I
I seriously hope the front office has a plan for acquiring a new starter, because Boss sure doesn’t cut it. In fact, I’d like to see Ford move up to #2 on the depth chart, because, to my mind, Boss has been tried and failed.
by regnaD kciN on Jul 21, 2011 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
i agree...
honestly i want Meredith and Ford as our 2 backup keepers to someone other then Boss. And then Boss can go on his marry way
To put it bluntly, anyone who cares about the result of this match beyond a generic "oh that's too bad" is kinda doing it wrong
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 10:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I mean, that sounds needlessly flippant I guess.
I just…I don’t see how anyone cares. The first team played well. The kids looked startstruck. Terry Boss kinda sucks. United can finish.
Of all the things that happened in this match, the fact that the first team gave a pretty strong United side a run for 45 minutes is the most surprising.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is a very good way of putting it.
Yeah, it got a bit hard to watch in the second half, but I never expected our bench to hang with best in the world.
Then I ask, was it a competitive match or just a showcase?
If the latter then the extra 30,000 + global TV fans are taking away from this that MLS soccer is pathetic and not worth watching. If it was a showcase then it was extremely poorly done for our side and our league in that we were made to look like a joke. Either we ARE a joke or we just enjoy playing the part and so no, this was NOT a good event tonight unless you are a MU fan…like they need any omre.
I'm not entirely seeing your point...
It was obviously not a competitive match. It was a friendly. Everyone knew that. It was only a showcase insofar as it gave fans who otherwise wouldn’t come to a Sounders game to see one. Were they horribly impressed by the Sounders? Maybe in the first half. Were they impressed by everything else? Maybe enough to give one MLS match a try. If that’s the case, it’s a win.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 20, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
If I were a casual fan...
Were they impressed by everything else? Maybe enough to give one MLS match a try. If that’s the case, it’s a win.
…I’d be moved by this match to make sure I had a cable subscription to FSC, so I could watch games in good leagues like the EPL and Serie A. But “give one MLS match a try”…? On the contrary, this would have been enough to kill off any interest I had in the MLS for at least the next ten years.
Guess we're lucky you're not the target audience then
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 21, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Who is the target audience then?
The Man U fans?
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 21, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Quite frankly, I don't much give a shit what people that take the result of a friendly such as this seriously think.
I don’t need people in England or Spain to nod in approval for me to enjoy MLS and appreciate it for what it is.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yes, you probably DO give a shit what people think of our league
because that is how the league gets taken seriously and that is one aspect of how the league can improve. Showing how pathetic we are is no way to impress anyone – in particular players who may aspire to one day enter MLS.
Rooney against our reserves was very poor planning and Sigi showed be questioned about the second half results because HE chose these subs. It was a mis-match and I don’t care what you as a hard core SFC fan think, “other” fans probaly didn’t like nor expect a complete mis-match. Yes Im aware of the first half although I didn’t see WR on the pitch then and I didn’t see much effort coming from MU at that time as well.
I really, really don't.
I watch a ton of soccer. I know what level the league is at and I know how much better it’s getting. What misinformed people think is of absolutely zero consequence to me, and if you think anyone that matters is going to make anything of this result you’re quite frankly mistaken.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
overlapping seasons
there is no way, or even practical reason to, for Sigi to try to anticipate lineups for a side in their pre-season. If you knew that United might bring on Rooney, Park, and Carrick in the 2nd half and your goal was to win the match…. well you might be silly for anticipating that. There’s no reason.
The Sounders showed themselves incredibly well early. They created chances. It’s simply a friendly and perhaps more than anything… a celebration of the sport.
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agree
if the Sounders won, it wouldn’t take anything away from United (see KC last summer). Sounders losing 0-7 means nothing. Any extreme result means nothing.
MLS has grown. The league is genuinely solid. Sounders are amazing, so obviously are their supporters. More than anything, the growth has been organic.
Any extreme reaction from this is simply reactive.
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by Gene Um on Jul 20, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed. Montero took a shot from 60 yards out.
How seriously do you think anyone took this here? Let alone around the world.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Jul 20, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice work paying attention.
That shot was actually incredibly smart.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 20, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Had Freddie taken that shot in an MLS match his ass would be on the bench.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Jul 20, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Spell his damn name right.
And no, he wouldn’t have. Would you like to know what happened? Good. I’ll tell you.
Montero was on the edge of the attacking third. He looked up and found the MUFC keeper MORE THAN 10 YARDS OFF HIS LINE. He shot, but slipped. Immediately after, he came to the bench to change his boots.
It was a smart shot. He doesn’t slip and that shot probably goes in. The Sounders are up 1-0 and Montero is on a highlight reel for a very long time.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 20, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No sir. I felt it was a spirited offensive thrust!
Especially from the guy sporting a Rat-Tail!
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Jul 21, 2011 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm just disappointed that the second half wasn't in any way entertaining
Manchester United didn’t even score any remotely interesting goals. It seems like the problem with these mid-season friendlies is that when one team is really that much better than the other team, especially in depth, the weaker team has to be able to play their starters for most of the game. IIRC, that’s what happened when DC tied David Beckham’s Real Madrid 1-1 a few years ago in Seattle. Otherwise, the stronger team’s depth (and some players who are vying for additional playing time) is clearly going to crush the weaker team’s depth.
So yeah, the first 45 minutes was pretty fun. The last 45 minutes were totally pointless. When one team is crushing another team that much, I don’t feel either team is really getting anything out of it and I don’t see what’s in it for the viewer. After this, I’m not so much against friendlies (like you said, the first half was fine), but I’m a lot more wary of friendlies if we’re going to be playing a much better team and not playing our first string. I don’t really care about the result, I just want watchable soccer.
If you don't think completely breaking down a defense
is remotely interesting, I’m not sure what kind of goal you’d be happy with.
How about a goal where the offense was challenged by the defense?
It’s one thing to break down a defense on your skill level, it’s another to break down a defense which clearly has no clue what to do with you.
The first goal was absolutely interesting.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
But the second half ... well
I’m not sure what we could expect with that back-line. I mean, look at it. I’d still rather throw them out there than leave the starters, who have been, and will continue to be, needed for 90 minutes a game.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2011 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Sigi was in a tough spot
I’m not saying we should have kept the starters in, or that Man Utd needed to play all their starters in the first half and not the second half, but something needed to give for a more competitive match-up in the second half.
If anything, perhaps it was a tip of the cap from Sir Alex that he felt we’d be able to handle some of his starters in the second half and give them something of a challenge. I don’t know.
I think it's more simple than that.
It’s the preseason and he was screwing around with his lineup, trying different players with each other and, as Sandra_R said below, seeing what some of his younger strikers could do against a stronger back-line.
The mentality is wrong. This is just a midseason friendly for the Sounders, and a largely pointless one at this. This is a real preseason game for Manchester United, and one of only a handful it gets to make decisions that will impact the club this season.
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
That is a good way to put it
It is a real preseason game for Man Utd and a meaningless midseason game for the Sounders. Just an odd situation. (Of course, for both teams, it is a pay day.)
Going into the game, I had fears about the second half, but my fears were more that Man Utd would play their hungry second-string guys, who are still a lot more talented than our second string (to say the least), which can be more dangerous than first string vs. first string.
"Completely breaking down a defense"...
…that was already obviously completely broken-down isn’t the least bit entertaining.
Tetteh is barely good enough to start reserve games as a defender
and looked about that good against Man U. I’m blaming 4 of the goals on him, for no other reason than I don’t want to go and look back at how bad some of the other defenders were.
I will mention that both Ianni and Boss share the blame for Diouf’s goal. Ianni just held his hand up like a lame duck.
And Ianni, keep in mind, wasn't even a sub...
…although I doubt he’d have been in the starting XI if JKH had been healthy.
I will lose every friendly 10-0
If it means we continue this run of form in matches that matter.
by Tohoya on Jul 20, 2011 10:57 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Proud of our 1st team, Shame on Ferguson
First team looked great. I was proud how they came out and played attacking football against some of the best in the world. Great, entertaining first half.
Second half, ManU and Sir Alex shoudl be ashamed of themselves for running counter attacks against a C team. These were guys who couldn’t play in the 3rd league in England. I don’t blame them for shooting, but I do blame them for playing attack the way they did against a group of guys who looked up to them, maybe envied them. Low class, ManU, I expect more class from a world class team. Shame.
Ya, seriously
What’s up with the counters?
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You expect them to show disrespect the opposition by not trying?
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I guess I would just expect a pre-season tune-up to involve more build up and distribution. I’m not saying I care how they play. Fair play to the winners, and wat sweeet counters tey were. I am, however, a little surprised that they didn’t try more. If training is purely about getting as many goals as possible, then ya, they did a fie job at that.
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That's kinda what United does though
That’s their attack clicking on all cylinders
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Truly fair point
I forgot that that IS their bread and butter. They probably wanted to work transition play as much as possible.
by CapHillSounder on Jul 20, 2011 11:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ran up the score
They ran up the score on an inferior group of players. Looooow class. I expect more from them. I love watching ManU, but I took this personal. Sportsmanship, pure and simple. I hope a Seattle hooker gives Rooney crabs.
by Kevin McLaren on Jul 20, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not trying is the height of poor sportsmanship
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
BS
When you are playing a FAR inferior opponent, you dont embaress them, THAT is sportsmanship
by Kevin McLaren on Jul 20, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to be needlessly antagonistic
But that’s the essence of sportsmanship in Little League. These are professional athletes. Run the score up all you want as far as I’m concerned.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 20, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Low class would have been dogging goal celebrations at 5-0, 6-0, 7-0
ManU gave the reservists a showing and said “play up”. I think it was classy of them.
That's not the sporting culture anywhere except America (and only in certain sports)
The rest of the world generally considers patronising the opposition offensive.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 21, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But it's our job to prevent them from running up the score...
As far as I’m concerned, ManU had zero class…but the Sounders had zero guts. Which of the two is our responsibility?
One more thing...
We could have easily have scored 4-5 goals tonight. We just didn’t finish, which was a damn shame.
Starting XI played great. Not surprised the reserves got throttled, seeing as they were going up against a squad that could have started a Champions League final.
good things to be said
Ryan Giggs: “We’ve been told that Seattle fans are the best in the MLS, and I think we witnessed that tonight.”
Rio Ferdinand: 67000 for a friendly in USA…the people are warming to football over here nicely! Seattle is mad for football! #progress
Sir Alex Ferguson: “I think Alonso is a good player. I like him. He’s a player who knows how to play. He has experience. Rosales was good also.”
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Jul 20, 2011 11:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm quite convinced United loved this visit....
and gained tremendous respect for the region
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by Gene Um on Jul 20, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't let the door hit them in the ass on the way out!
by Snow-D on Jul 20, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure they loved this visit...
…because a) they stomped us and b) almost half the fans at “our” house were cheering for them.
Remember
Normally 80%+ cheer for them. They are used to being the more popular team when they tour. They were in New England, will be in Chicago, will be in DC and will be at the All Star Game.
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I hope someone corrected Sir Alex Ferguson.
That was not Alonso he was watching, it was Taylor Graham. Yeah, thats it. Taylor Graham. He should sign Taylor Graham, not Alonso. He must not sign Alonso. Anyone but Alonso.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
by DarthGreedo on Jul 21, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Disagree.
The result does matter. Not because beating United would have won us anything, but because the way that we lost colors the perceptions of casual fans. The folks I was sitting with tonight — mostly people who don’t watch much MLS and were attending this as their only match of the year — left shaking their heads and saying “wow, I didn’t realize how much the MLS sucked”. They don’t care that it was global mega-stars — Rooney, Park, etc. — vs. our third string back line; they do care that the Sounders got blown out 7-0 in front of 67,000 people. Dave, you’re always going on about soccer evangelism — this was our chance to reach those people, and we didn’t do it.
by Kenneth Jung on Jul 20, 2011 11:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Sounders are a good club in their league.
If people are going to scorn MLS because of the results of this game they are unrealistic. They are comparing SSFC to one of the better clubs in the world. Soccer doesn’t have to be top quality in the world in order to be entertaining.
by Boz86 on Jul 21, 2011 12:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Realistically, I disagree...
Ideally, people should support their local team even if it’s, in the grand scheme of things, minor-league. But this is the U.S., where people are accustomed to our leagues (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL) being the world’s best in that sport. If it’s (objectively) second-rate, people don’t care. (After tonight’s match, I could just imagine a casual sports fan saying: “I’d rather follow the Mariners. Sure, they suck, but at least they suck in the best league in the world.”) How many times do you see minor-league franchises in a medium-sized town, however good, go begging for fans who would rather sit at home and watch a distant major-league team on television? Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more ManU fans in the U.S., following their favorites on FSC, than there are fans of all MLS teams combined. That’s the difference being “world-class” can make in the minds of the American sports fan.
NCAA football and basketball aren't world class
They are clearly second-rate leagues and generate a big following for a number of reasons. Perhaps it would be an annoying sort of support, but EPL fans will care about MLS if we’re producing young players they want to add to their side. The more guys like Stuart Holden and Landon Donovan we can produce, the more interesting the league will be. It doesn’t have to be All-Star teams to hold people’s interest.
Would people be happier if we lost 3-1 and one of our starters got hurt?
Fun first half and nobody got injured.
After that, what were you expecting from Wayne Rooney vs Tetteh and Scott? Parity?
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Jul 20, 2011 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I honestly wasn't expecting Rooney vs Tetteh and Scott to be quite honest
I thought Rooney would either get the first half against our starters or a token 10 minutes at the end of the game. The Sounders played Chelsea scoreless in the second half of their game in ‘09. The Sounders had two 0-2 halves against Barcelona in ’09. That kind of thing is totally watchable and can be fun. 6-0 in a half is worse than embarrassing, it’s boring.
To some extent, I have to believe that Sigi overestimated the reserves’ ability to limit Manchester United to something like three or fewer goals in the second half.
Well, to be fair to sigi...
I don’t think he thought some of their top players would be held back for the second half either.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 20, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
That dynamic is actually a little odd to me
This is essentially a big scrimmage, I don’t think it would be so untoward for the coaches to be on the same page for how they were approaching the game in terms of when the first team is on the field.
I don’t really want to go on and on about this, I just wanted the game to be more entertaining, and everyone involved pretty much failed on that account in the second half. The new trialist’s near-goal, and maybe Fucito’s best effort on frame are maybe the two things I can say I’ll remember about the second half.
and your'e right, the second half was not entertaining
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 21, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone was expecting Rooney to sub, let alone the entire second half.
Makes me wonder if Sir Alex went balistic after losing to K.C. last year.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Jul 21, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually am not surprised Rooney was a sub...
The strikers that were played in the first half are competing for roster spots.. and I think Sir Alex would rather them go up against MLS starters to see what they can do rather then seeing them against reserves..
Its happened a few times.. Ronaldo didnt start over the weekend at LA because Mourinho wanted to see how some of the younger/fringe players reacted.
by Sandra_R on Jul 21, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously, did you watch that second half against Barcelona?
the Sounders barely had ANY possession and got the ball out of their own half only a handful of times and never threatened to score. It was a passing clinic by Barcelona, a huge game of keep-away. That’s Barcelona’s game but as depressing as last night’s second half was it was much more entertaining than 2009.
by mark_s on Jul 21, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Positive
Our first team played great. The second half result should not be a surprise. That team wouldn’t have won an MLS match, much less against some of the best in the world. But our first team played so much better than i would have thought. Rosales and Alonso were especially impressive. We should be proud. I am very disappointed in ManU coming out so hard against an inferior second half team. They should be ashamed. But heads should be held high for our starters and the prospects for an MLS Cup
Rant started:
I am not so sure I agree with this passive.blah, blah its just a friendly, lets get on with the season attitude.
We are constantly going up against this perceived notion that MLS is just some feeder league. It kind of pisses me off that there are people saying they would just rather watch the other games on tonight that matter versus support our guys. Why do you guys even care about the CONCACAF Champions trophy? So we can compare ourselves to the best teams in the hemisphere and then go on to prove ourselves in the Club World Cup. This match is a glimpse just to see where we are. What we are capable of and to get behind the individuals of this team that are getting a chance of a lifetime. Is it just a bunch of sit on the couch, sold my ticket, slog back a beer and say I told you so? I would have to say i was pretty damn proud of our first team. They dominated a lot of that fist half and we should have scored a few. Even or second team should have scored at least two goals. This is OUR team and we should be getting behind them, even if it is just for the sake of rooting someone like Alonso on to make the case for quality in this league. I don’t want to offend anybody here and question their loyalty, I know you are all great fans of the team, but I think there are people like me who are a bit frustrated with the “I don’t care” attitude.
I know our defense in the second half just plain sucked and i am a bit emotional about it after witnessing it from the stands. But it does piss me off because I want this team to be better. Do any of you think this game was about making money and spreading the word of soccer to Mike Fucito? Or how about Lamar Neagle who almost scored against ManU? Was he thinking about the front office making some cash? Yes I get it that we will move on and the sky is not falling but I do care about this game on some levels and iI think it is wrong to completely dismiss it. Rant over!
by fcjake on Jul 20, 2011 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Thanks Jake.
I feel about the same. What we saw here is a team that on paper ($) should have no chance and gave a GREAT run for 45 minutes.
Comments from Rio Ferdinand and Ryan Giggs
Said some cool things about us Sounders fans.
Rio Ferdinand:
“Very good. Great support. Good people. They looked after us and we had a great time. And they’re genuine football fans.”
“They’re just genuine football fans that come here to support football and their team. The Sounders have great support.”
Ryan Giggs:
“They’re fanatical fans really. I think we witnessed that tonight and we’ve witnessed it all week. You got told that the Seattle fans are the best in the MLS and I think we witnessed that tonight.”
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/soccer/2011/07/20/seattle-the-city-impressed-man-u-players/
The Trialist?
Starting XI held their own against Man U in the first half. Second half not a surprise. I do agree with previous commenters — Rooney should have started, not come in as a sub. Watching an unmarked Rooney beat up our defense was not fun.
From my perspective in the upper half of Section 125, trialist Mrisho Ngassa looks like he has some potential. He was fast, and nearly had a goal in the second half. We could use some speed up front — Jaqua is awfully slow, and Levesque looked tired tonight.
Nice to see OBW back.
It mattered to me that we lost this bad
I hated watching the team I love get the crap beat out of them. I walked out of the stadium feeling deflated and wondering why a heavyweight vs middleweight matchup is supposed to be fun to watch. I hope Man U fans got their jollies. And I hope they lose 7-0 to Barcelona in their friendly. I’m a soccer fan, sure, but I’m a sounders fan too. I’m not sure I would get too excited watching our first team beat the crap out of a high school squad. It’s just not competitive and the second half was not competitive.
See, to me this is a great point.
I thought the first half was fun, but the second half wasn’t. It didn’t bother me that much but I can certainly see how it bothered others, and I just don’t understand what the massive appeal in games such as these is.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It was f...ing embarassing.
MUtd wins majority of their games by 1:0, 2:1, and they kill us. Yes, the first half was a kind of competitive, but MUtd did not really try very hard. OK, it is friendly, but at least, I want us to be competitive, otherwise what’s the purpose of the game. Or, maybe if everyone gets chance to play, can I play next time when we play some big team. Honestly, it is more important how we will do in the next several games, but this is the last friendly Sounders game that I will go and watch. I do not go the game to watch MUtd or Barcelona, but I go to see Sounders playing decent soccer. Plus, I really look like an idiot telling all my European and South American how MLS is not so bad league, the league that could compare to the third string of the European leagues. Well, none of these teams would get embarrassed at home like this.
United does this to European teams ALL THE TIME
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 20, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Last time, they scored seven was against Blackburn last year?
Who else? When do they do all the time?
They beat Roma 7-1 in a Champions League quarterfinal...
by Kenneth Jung on Jul 21, 2011 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
In 2007, Man U was world class
just as they are today. The names might be a little different, but the class and money and talent is the same.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, let's see.
In 2009-10 they won 5-0 on three separate occasions. They also beat AC Milan 4-0 in the Champions League. So no, not 7-0, but close enough. Against better teams than the Sounders, in games that actually matter.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 21, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
That's thing - the game that actually matter
What would be score if the game actually mater something tonight? 15:0. I am not trying to put down MUtd, but there is no need for Sounders to play games like this. I believe every game you play, you should try your best and be competitive. Ten years down the road, when someone check the score, it will say Sounders 0 MUtd 7, and no one will care about decent performance in the first half.
I don't see how you could think it would have been so lopsided after watching the first half.
United would win and win handily, but it probably wouldn’t have been this lopsided.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 21, 2011 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
If this game actually mattered
Sigi would not have subbed all of our starters at halftime.
by sdcoug09 on Jul 21, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nonsense...
Last season, eleven of ManU’s twenty-three wins were by a goal. Seven of the others were by a two-goal margin. Only five wins were by three goals or more, and all against league doormats (teams that wound up getting relegated or missed it by the hairs on their chinny-chin-chin. Even so, none of those wins were by seven goals.
And how many of those teams
Switched to an almost 100% reserve team against ManUtd in the second half? And with Rooney coming on.
If the first half is anything to go by. This wouldn’t have been as big of a blowout had the game actually mattered.
by Derek R on Jul 21, 2011 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
And even if they had, how many of their reserves are making less than $50k a year?
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Twelve of Man U's 23 wins last season were by two goals or more.
Don’t just spout out things that are blatantly wrong.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 20, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, you are right
but, how is blatantly wrong if they won 11 times by one goal. Their goal difference is +39, so if they won 23 games, that translates to a little bit over more than 1.5 difference per game.
For one, 11 of 23 is less than half of their wins, so certainly not the majority of their games
For another, they play most of their games against EPL and UCL teams. We’re not that good. We shouldn’t expect that kind of result. What Manchester United does in most of their games is just kind of irrelevant for this game.
Huh
Plus, I really look like an idiot telling all my European and South American how MLS is not so bad league, the league that could compare to the third string of the European leagues.
Are you actually saying you thought that the MLS is equivalent to the third tier of teams in the Premier League, La Liga, the Bundesliga and Serie A?
by Graham MacAree on Jul 21, 2011 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think "equivalent"...
…is the same as saying “not so drastically, laughingly worse that one of the top teams in the league would get easily blown out by seven goals while being held scoreless.”
Well, to use the leagues I'm more familiar with
The Sounders would get relegated in the Premier League. Only Alonso is good enough to start in that division. Montero and Zakuani might be Serie A quality.
But anyone thinking otherwise is fooling themselves.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 21, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It would be interesting the type of team we could field
Once a salary cap was taken away though. How much is the total salary of a low end EPL or Serie A team compared to our team?
Huh
That’s one league I really don’t pay attention to. Not a fan of the Italian game. Aside from Premier League, I’ll watch Eredivisie and Bundesliga if available, and Barcelona/Madrid games.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I will watch La Liga games that aren't Barca/Madrid
They’re much more fun. Serie A is also fun if you avoid Juventus etc.
by Graham MacAree on Jul 21, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I should pay attention to teams other than Barca/Madrid
I just don’t have time to really track those teams. I invest a lot of my limited time in studying and getting to know the EPL teams, almost to the level I track MLS. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to watch Serie A. Those clowns are so dirty and dive-y. Makes me sick watching them. Best moment in WC history was watching Materazzi getting the headbutt. Instant Zidane man-crush.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It Matters
Now, one of the things that I want to see before I pass on is Manchester United regulated. It was nice to see OBW back on the field. But in the end, I really do not want to see the Sounders involved in any more mid-season friendlies at all.
by Brandin Watson on Jul 20, 2011 11:42 PM PDT reply actions
mistyped
I meant to say “relegated”.
by Brandin Watson on Jul 20, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Relegated and Friendlies
Chelsea’s my EPL team. I’m with you. I’d love to see Man U relegated someday!
As for friendlies, I think there is value in them — although maybe not at midseason. I was pretty excited about seeing Manchester United play in person. Yeah, they’re kinda like the Yankees of football, but I’m probably never going to get to see them play at Old Trafford or in England for that matter. I wish the match had been more competitive, but such is life.
Honestly, it would be great if the MLS becomes a more respected league. I’d like to see players like Zakuani and Montero want to stay in the MLS and not go play overseas. That should be something the league should shoot for. Rather than prohibiting players like Landon Donovan from playing outside of the MLS, make the league one in which its stars want to stay and play in.
by AnnaB on Jul 20, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It may sound shallow
But had the score been 3-2 or 4-2 I probably would be singing a different tune. It was losing in such a horrific manner that really turned my stomach. It was like watching an unfair fight…wait it WAS an unfair fight. I’m guessing numerous players on their team have salaries exceeding our entire roster.
Classless and unsporting, Classic Fergie.
Wow, good work Alex…
You start you second sting strikers and first string defense, and don’t score in the first half. Then, you choose to be a big man and start your first sting forward against a second string MLS defense, just so you can get a big result. Do you feel like a big man now? Just another reason to hate united.
As I said above...
…it was utterly classless, but it’s our responsibility to toughen up and stop the bleeding. Everyone says the MLS is too physical and doesn’t reward technical play; well, personally, I would have liked to see some of that physicality last night. I would have loved to see some shoulder-to-shoulder challenges,,,or anything that would have sent the message “if you’re going to try to humiliate us, you’re at least going to be waking up feeling sore tomorrow morning.” Instead, it was more like “wow, it’s Wayne Rooney, better watch carefully to appreciate his artistry as he blows by me and scores again.”
Like I said, they had no class, but we had no guts. In the great scheme of things, which is worse?
Two sides of the coin
As far as player performance, I got what I expected. Our Starting XI played wonderfully. Alonso, Rosales, Fernandez, Friberg all looked like they had faced this caliber of opponent in other games with their touches, aggression, and steals in midfield. Levesque looked lost and unable to find space. Montero habitually took one too many touches in traffic, but given space can fire off a shot (and showed hustle by turning the rebound into a cross). The reserves played as well as they could and hopefully take their lessons to heart. With the game and performance, I’m content.
On the other hand, I’m frustrated with how this score line will appear on the local, national, and international stage. If I was watching Sportscenter or Fox Soccer Report and saw highlights of DCU 0-7 ManU, I wouldn’t really grasp that 6 goals were scored against DCU’s reserves. My knee-jerk reaction would be “wow, DC got blown out of the water” instead of looking at how many subs DCU had. Even knowledgeable soccer fans can react negatively with incomplete information.
It was fun to see ManU in person, to take in how beautifully the game is played in Europe. I’m not going to dwell on this game. I’m moving on and planning a viewing party for San Francisco-Seattle on Wednesday next week. Anyone know if the feed will be in HD?
Fan of: Cardinals, Blues, Sounders, Yellow Jackets, Wolverines, Rams, and Blazers.
fox feed
Probably not in HD since that would mean bringing HD cameras to Panama, which I just don’t see FSC doing.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 21, 2011 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Worst part is the coverage in the British media
Just watched Sky Sports on Fox Soccer Network. They don’t report the nuances of a close 1st half and scoring against the reserves in the 2nd – they just keep hammering on the shellacking that ManU gave the Sounders and the Rooney hat trick. Only positive note in the coverage is that they assume that the viewers actually know who the Sounders are.
That being said, it was impressive watching Park and Rooney score at will. I enjoyed the game for what it was – a friendly. I would actually have liked to see more of the trialist.
As an aside – my wife now wants to go to Tanzania. The halftime PSA from the Tanzanian president was effective…
by Andrew S Wright on Jul 20, 2011 11:52 PM PDT reply actions
Minor point
But their ‘second string’ is beyond our best starters.
Lost in the scoreline
Since Manchester United is roughly the second best team in the world, judging by their 2nd-place UCL finish, I figure this loss puts us at 3rd best in the world. Not too shabby.
by ubelmann on Jul 21, 2011 12:01 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Cooler minds prevailing
I don’t feel upset. Maybe because S@H tempered my expectations? I’m glad Sigi pulled our starters. I’m glad Sigi pulled our B-Team. I’m not too excited about Graham and the rest of our B/C team’s performance but if I let their performances dictate my mood, I’d be a pretty unhappy guy.
I won’t say it’s a meaningless friendly. On paper maybe. But because of the unnecessary risk it puts our players and franchise in, it gains meaning. So I won’t write off the friendly, and I don’t think most here are doing that. I think that the Sounders make enough money to never pull this kind of thing again—at least during the season.
I know a lot are upset about the perception this sends to those outside the Sounders world, particularly those non-soccer fans,but I would argue that the more damaging part of these friendlies is the fact that they exist. Getting beat 7-0 by arguably the second best team in the world isn’t Bush league, endangering your starters mid-season for this friendly is.
I think the Sounders have shown themselves to represent the Best in the MLS in almost every aspect of the game. I think it’s time the front office completely rids itself of these mid-season friendlies and sends a message.
Sigi did that tonight. He sent a message that the MLS cup is more important than a friendly. Unfortunately, that makes him a goat in the eyes of the thousands who attended. It’s an unfortunately place to put a coach who I’m sure, if given the option, would have spent the night preparing for Thursday’s practice, and San Francisco.
Good on Sigi. Good on the A-team. I want the rest to play better, but given the circumstances, I’m not suprised they didn’t. Front Office, please stop these games. Anybody watching Seattle realizes they would still be making some serious cash without them. With the Salary Cap, we know that money isn’t being sucked dry by the players ala big european clubs.
by Daniel Guerrero on Jul 21, 2011 12:10 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
The FO is in a somewhat difficult spot
I think the friendlies have their place, and most are not going to be this kind of a 7-0 debacle. But many fans want a big Euro team if there’s going to be a friendly, but since Seattle’s not in a position to play their first string for a full 90 in a mid-week game, they leave themselves wide open to this. Personally, maybe a good compromise, especially since the STH’s are being allowed to opt out, would be to bring in a big South American team to play a big Euro team every year. Santos vs. Manchester United, for instance, would interest me and also not add more to our packed schedule, and it would give the Sounders their pay day.
I would also think it would be fun to host a J-League and/or Scandinavian team for a preseason friendly, or other teams from leagues with calendars more similar to ours. That’s not really going to have the same draw as a big Euro team, of course.
Or a USMNT friendly (not against Seattle, of course)
by Brian Floyd on Jul 21, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I would be stoked to have had something like USMNT vs. Argentina
Or USMNT vs. Spain, provided they aren’t resting starters because their regional tournament starts in a couple days.
I would appreciate
a USMNT friendly (I would appreciate the hell out of it) but that’s only a solution once every two years or so if it were a possibility at all.
I think as a soccer fan, bringing in two sizable clubs to play each other would work for me, particularly as you suggested bringing in teams which wouldn’t play each other any other circumstance. Real Madrid and Chivas played today in San Diego and if I’d have been in Southern California I probably would have gone to that.
It doesn’t have to do with the Sounders and so I’m not sure it fulfills any of the supposed reasons to have these friendlies i.e. build the league, reach a new fanbase but I don’t really think that’s the main purpose behind it so I’m all for it.
by Daniel Guerrero on Jul 21, 2011 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
It's true that they'd have a more difficult time billing it as building the league or reaching a new fanbase
Maybe by bundling tickets with MLS games they could reach those most open to MLS while at the same time not giving the Sounders an extra game.
Hell Yeah!
After watching the Gold Cup Final it would be nice to offer the USMNT an actual home field advantage.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Jul 21, 2011 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Mrisho Ngassa
What’s the general consensus among the S@H writers and commentator about whether this player gets signed. I know we haven’t seen enough, and probably don’t know about his salary demands, so I understand any reticence to say anything too bold. But, was he being brought over to be looked as a possibly first team player, or just someone who they wanted to see would add something down the line. I get the impression that there is a difference between the two. Obviously, if he’s good enough and worth the money, he’ll sign.
I guess to put it this way. Is his trial to see if he has what it takes, or to confirm what Scouts and Sigi already hope/know?
by Daniel Guerrero on Jul 21, 2011 12:17 AM PDT reply actions
I think he was here to promote tourism
I knew we had some kind of partnership/share in owning a team in Tanzania, but this article basically makes it sound like a bid to spread the word about Tanzania…
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by Zack Ryland on Jul 21, 2011 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Not at all
use the tag and find everything written about him here. He’s here because he’s the best player in Tanzania and Seattle is trying to establish a pipeline from East Africa here.
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I was Thinking
that it probably also depends on the teams ability to open some cap space up. I think that they probably want to sign him, and from the little I’ve seen in this game and on Youtube, he looks promising, but all the pieces have to fall in place. I also wonder how much we really want another midfielder?
I enjoyed Ngasso's cup of coffee
and think he could be a future asset in a Sounders kit if he can be signed for not a lot of money. Based on 20 or so minutes of a game were we didn’t have any offense he looks quick and fast, works hard and probably has more upside than last years speedy winger of the future, Sanna Nyassi. Plus he could help solidify our budding pipeline with East Africa. Maybe the best thing that could happen is if we could bring him on board after the off season expansion draft.
If anything
out Starting XI should have more confidence after tonight’s game, not less like many are implying…they held their own against ManU and should be proud…the reserves…they’ve got some work to do ;)
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wait
People are upset our reserves got the crap kicked out of them by the 2nd best team in the world.
Game was a practice match and a chance to see some of the best players in the world up close. No big deal and in the end I think this just means that san francisco of panama are about to get the shit kicked out of them
Also try not to worry too much about this being an embarassment for our league, look what Man U did to the all-star team last year.
by python6114 on Jul 21, 2011 12:45 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
10 Points.
NCAA went after them pretty hard after that game for embarrassing the league. It was ugly.
by Daniel Guerrero on Jul 21, 2011 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Colorado beat NY 4-1 today. Kyle Martino thinks if we can get out defense together, we can match them. Here’s hoping that doesn’t happen.
by Daniel Guerrero on Jul 21, 2011 1:15 AM PDT reply actions
I might be crazy
but this feels like a good game to put in the bank for some friendly 5, 10 years later when MLS and the team are in a stronger position, and understand how far we’ll have come WRT back end depth.
KELLER
Thoughts?) “You ever hear the cliché ‘a game of two halves’? It was kind of that a little bit, wasn’t it? Hopefully it’s a learning experience because we some young guys out on the field in the second half because everyone thinks they can play in the Premier League in America. Everybody think, ‘Oh, if I just got the break, if I had this or if I had that, that I could be there.’ Actually no you can’t, and you need to learn to figure that out. I was talking to Sir Alex afterwards walking off the field. They’re one of the best counterattacking teams in the world and we gave them all this space in the world to do exactly what they’re best at. You got to learn. You got to adapt. You got to figure out how things are going in the game and make it right. Second half was extremely disappointing, but (Ferguson) was very gracious. He said the scoreline wasn’t indicative of the result. That’s a nice little comfort because we had great chances. He knows their keepers made some good saves. You saw how clinical Wayne Rooney is in the box. You give me that chance I’m going to bury it and they did exactly.”
Read more: http://blog.thenewstribune.com/soccer#ixzz1SjAvnI7x
Honestly my biggest complaint of the night
I absolutely hate the way we whored out our own stadium for them. The Sounders should never agree to do that, even if it means Man Utd takes their tour elsewhere.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 21, 2011 7:45 AM PDT reply actions
I don't understand why we have the Sounders play them
Why not just book Man U and Chelsea to duke it out? Or Man U – Barcelona? They’re doing that on their tour too, I don’t understand why we’d want to have the Sounders play mid-week (it worked out this time because of the scheduling, but previous seasons were packed). My only thought is money by having to pay two teams, but I’m guessing there’d still be quite a bit of cash to be made off something like that.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely
Let the eurosnobs have their Eurofest at Qwest (trademarking that right now [Damn you Centurylink!]) and avoid these disasters with our team. Reading comments around the web, this game did little in the way of helping bring in new Sounders fans, which I thought was the point.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 21, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I know
That I’ve gona back and forth with you guys on this. I totally agree with Aaron that friendlies are dumb, and I respect him and believe him when he says that he both doesn’t care about this result and doesn’t think it has significant consequences.
I do. I think that it does have consequences. I think people had half an eye open on this match, asking themselves “these Sounders sure seem like a big deal, should I dip a toe in the water and check them out for real?” I know some of the editors on this blog don’t care about “THOSE” people and don’t want them in the clubhouse, but I think that’s a little narrow minded.
It bothers me to see things like this: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/07/20/sounder-vs-manchester-u
It's not that we don't care...
It’s that we don’t really believe that anyone who is thinks a 7-0 loss to ManUtd in a friendly is somehow significant was really the kind of person who ever wanted to attend a Sounders game anyway.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 21, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
See, I don't think that's true.
It’s not an unreasonable assumption that the team would want to put on a good show for the new fans in the seats — the ones who don’t watch MLS regularly, who don’t know the names of the players on (our side of) the field, and who are just there because they wanted to check out one Sounders game and Man U was the name on the schedule that they recognized. Those fans left shaking their heads last night, because their takeaway was “the Sounders lost 7-0 to Man United”. Good luck getting them back. I’m not saying it’s a huge loss for the Sounders, but to write it off after the fact as “we were never getting those people anyways” is disingenuous.
by Kenneth Jung on Jul 21, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
This has been tested
Teams have beaten Euro squads. Their gate doesn’t go up.
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No one is implying...
… that a good result would have converted those people to STHs, or even brought them back for another match this year (as I mentioned, they were only coming to one game this year anyways). But their perception matters — as much for evangelism reasons as for anything else. It’s hard to get your friends who are on the fence to come to games when you have to deal with the one “oh, I was at the Man U friendly and they lost 7-0, MLS sucks” guy.
by Kenneth Jung on Jul 21, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the real distinction is between winning or losing
But just making a respectable showing. I tend to be in the camp that going after fans of other leagues is a steep slope, but then I remember back to the game against Monterrey last year, how there were families around me which had both Monterrey and Sounders gear.
Other teams that beat Euro squads haven’t done it in a stadium with our kind of support for the home side, at least not regularly. In other markets, you can say “hey, the Wizards beat Man Utd, but where were the Wizards fans?” Here, you could say “hey, the Sounders played pretty well against Man Utd and the support for the home team was good, maybe it could be fun to come to a few games.”
So we will see a spike in gate for the Union?
They beat Everton and have an atmosphere.
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Why does it have to be a spike?
Everything else with MLS is about slow, sustained growth. Shouldn’t that apply to fan bases as well?
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 21, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
This is more what I am thinking
Also, how many of the 18K in attendance at PPL were Everton fans? Not sure how tickets were sold for that game, but if there were 9K Everton fans and say 25% of them were impressed enough to come to a couple games next year, that’s still only about an extra 130 tickets per game over the course of the season. So you’re not going to see eye-popping numbers, but new fans are new fans and more likely to attract more fans. Even if it’s a pretty minimal return on attracting new fans, that gets combined with the experience for the players and the extra gate revenue, and it’s really not such a bad thing, especially for a team with no USOC or CCL commitments to worry about at this point in the season.
There's no way you're going to see a 130-person spike in all of the noise
Attendance goes up and down for all sorts of reasons. You’d need to control for a dozen other factors before you noticed a 130-person spike.
people can change
people can be turned into fans.
(people who are fans can also be turned off)
I practice soccer evangelism rather constantly
I don’t turn my nose up on potential fans, nor do I judge them as you accuse.
But the friendly doesn’t create new season ticket holders. It didn’t in Kansas City after their win, and it wouldn’t here.
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What's the going rate on club pride?
I agree with everything Dave’s said up until the first half. The first half was an amazing bit of soccer from both sides. The ability of the first-team Sounders to link together some passes and control possession against one of the best teams in the world was a great experience. And then the 2nd half happened.
I knew it was going to be bad when I saw Estrada come on as a right-back (a position I don’t think he’s ever played). That was the clearest indication Sigi could have possibly given that he didn’t give a damn about the rest of the game. Still, even that didn’t prepare me for the absolute slaughter that followed.
The worst part was leaving the stadium. I got stuck in the stairs and hallway on the north-end which is always a grand-melee even for games with half the crowd. All around me where half-drunk ManU fans laughing at the slaughter of the home team (most of which were clearly from around here based on their accents). Their team if they actually gave half a crap about Seattle. Meanwhile the real Sounders fans…the ones wearing the scarfs and the jerseys had this numb look on their face.
Sigi threw the 2nd team to the wolves and it hurt watching them get slaughtered. I’m too much of a fan to not care when my team gets creamed like that. No one really expected Seattle to win. A goal would have been nice. Maybe limiting the damage to 3-0 could be labeled as a positive. Trying to find anything positive in the 2nd half is a pointing exercise in turd polishing.
So, here’s the question. What’s the going rate on club pride? I hope the front office sold it dearly because they lost a lot of it last night.
by Dizzo on Jul 21, 2011 8:33 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
i'm not sure it's bought and sold in one game
yes, it will be a pain to hear from people who do not follow the league for who knows how long “oh you guys got pasted by ManU.”
But that would be a bit of an oversimplification, yes?
Pride is a tricky and prickly thing
Sure, it’s an over-simplification for dramatic purposes. But the fact remains. I used to love watching the reserves. I liked seeing the potential. I saw all that potential get crushed by ManU. All but a few clearly gave up by the end. I remember seeing the look of absolute despair on the face of Boss on the 7th uncontested goal.
I don’t think I’ll go to another reserve game this year and have the same level of enjoyment I did before this game. No matter how well they play I’ll always have this brutal memory of their play against ManU in the back of my mind.
Is that illogical? Yeap. Is that Is that unfair to them? Yeah, sure it is. Is it the truth? It is. Team pride isn’t logical and it doesn’t make sense. I’m hoping that I and the rest of the Sounders nation forgets all about this game next week.
by Dizzo on Jul 21, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boss
When the 4th goal went in, the first thought that went through my mind was “Get Boss out of there!” Not because I felt Boss was at fault, but more to save hime from any more embarassment and not completely trash his confidence. We’re going to need him at some point this year.
If they could have put Keller back in
Then I agree that would have been best. Putting Ford in without a starting defensive line could have slowed his progression as I doubt its good for anyone’s ego to do your best and not see it make any difference, especially when you are young.
Suppose you bought the three-game pack
And supposing you bothered to show up for the NYRB game, I’d say you saw a compelling reason to support MLS and show back up at the CLink to support the Sounders.
If someone showed up last night to see the Sounders as a one-off and was hoping to see the team take it to ManU… I don’t really know what to tell that person. Other than they might want to do a bit of homework before dropping their $66 or whatever.
running up the score?????
people complaining about this and saying ‘classy ferguson’ etc etc you do realise running up the score doesnt exist anywhere else in the world right? you just play and do as well as you can, if that means winning 7-0 against inferior teams then so be it. weren’t trying to humiliate anyone, just playing football
i can see why people are pissed off with the result but it aint the end of the world, hopefully you keep your good run going and it doesnt damage morale too much
and think of it this way, at least they didnt beat you by this score in an actual league match like what happened me a few years back :(
I think what most people are angry about in that regard
Is that Ferguson waited until after the first half to put Rooney in. And Rooney can embarrass starters for a lot of teams, let alone reserves.
Last night would not have been a good night to debut him
At least not without the starting back line.
Same could be said of all the other rookies that played
by Philip Mueller on Jul 21, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Most of the other rookies
had at least reserve games or came on as league game sub though. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t that have been his first appearance in front of Sounders fans as a Sounder?
Yea
it would be his first now i can understand why sigi did’t put him in.
Wow! Surprised at the intense emotion over an exhibition game
I went to the game last night with these goals:
- be entertained
- see the trialist Ngasse
- watch how M Utd runs off the ball since TV doesn’t convey that
- see how some our better players compare to some of the best in the world
- hope some of our younger players look promising
And of course secretly hope that M Utd get taken down a notch or two but didn’t have any expectations of that happening.
What I took away:
- Our first team is good and playing with great flow right now
- while there is obviously a talent and skills gap the biggest difference is the efficiency with which Utd finds space and opponents weaknesses to exploit
- Rooney has amazing vision and positional awareness
- Ngasse has potential I would enjoy seeing blossom with the Sounders and if not him, players like him are the type I think the front office correct in searching for.
- Tettah looked horrible
- it was a spring training game. Doesn’t mean a thing!
by look4wrd on Jul 21, 2011 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Nice to see no sour grapes or turd-polishing from Sigi:
"I need to apologize to our fans because I thought we embarrassed ourselves in the second half," Schmid said. "Not to take anything away from Man United because they’re a great team and they scored some great goals and the movement was superb. We wanted to reward all of the guys on our team – we wanted to reward everybody. I think in retrospect that was a mistake."
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/07/21/1752855/pounding-for-sounders.html#ixzz1SlDQQli5
by Philip Mueller on Jul 21, 2011 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
If the mindset of the team going into the game
was just “let’s just have fun out there” and “give everyone on the team the chance to play against Man U” then of course we would get a result like this. It seems like he decided from the beginning this wasn’t going to be a game we would put too much into, but I think it would be naive to expect a closer final score with that kind of approach to the match.
Of course.
But the point is that it was a mistake to go into it with that attitude in the first place, since the actual effect was to 1)hurt the confidence of our reserves and 2)make the team and the league look bad. Sigi recognizes this.
by Philip Mueller on Jul 21, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Show me the money
Per Transfermarkt, the total current estimated transfer value of the players:
Manchester United=$643,648,176
Seattle Sounders=$11,080,736
By my fingers-and-toes math, United players top to bottom are worth 58 times the Sounders.
I have the same queasy feeling this AM as I did last night, but I have several takeaways from the mauling:
1. United has two A teams that they can field, and the Sounders can field one. And our A team can hang with theirs.
2. Alonso and Rosales are incredible players. In fact, I think if Rosales had a little more pace (perhaps he did when he was younger) he would be at a team like United. Funny that SAF noticed that too.
3. I think there were some poor skills shown by players that are not attributable by United’s greatness. For example, Jaqua looked awful and I wonder how much longer he is here—and I have not been a Jaqua hater. I think our transfer gate is soon to swing open.
In retrospect, I just got to see one of the best teams in the world up close against my team, and now I see why United is what they are. Now I only wish Adrian and the boys had $300M to burn on players.
by Brougham Hooligan on Jul 21, 2011 10:28 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
First step
Make it through the group stages of CCL.
"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin
by Little old me on Jul 22, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
My thoughts
Tetteh looked bad, also lost his footing a couple times which I would say was due to the turf but I didn’t notice that with others.
I thought Estrada actually looked ok at right back and he has some speed, since he’s not getting any playing time why not give him a look there in practice and reserve games?
The first team looked good, I think everyone agrees on this. disappointed we didn’t get a goal though. I think of Montero can get the space like Rooney had on at least two of his goals he’ll be just as clinical at putting them away.
Tetteh got burned reeeal bad a few times
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 21, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Not just burned
I recall on one goal Tetteh fell over himself as Oberton came at him. Not real promising stuff.
Teethe hasn't looked promising in the reserves either
I know he’s a rookie, but his progress has been non-existent it seems. We’re talking Estrada/Montano levels of progression here.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 21, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Tetteh
What the hell is Teethe? That’s a new one from auto correct…
by ABTsportsline on Jul 21, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Tetteh looked good in the two reserves games I saw. Of course, he was playing mostly on the wing rather than LB.
"Looking good" is subjective
But that said, a guy who’s still trying to get acclimated to the MLS surely can’t be having an easier time if the coaches are having him switch between two positions.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 22, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
No harm done, Maybe some good
I would argue this is a good time to get crushed. We’ve been playing great lately, and that eventually starts going to your head. I’d much rather lose bad here and have this serve as a warning/learning experience that we can bring into future MLS/CCL play.
I don’t think we lost any fans with the beating we took, however, I think we did miss some opportunity to convert casual fans into STH. This is my first year as a season ticket holder and I’ve brought some friends to matches and several have wanted to come back — they were surprised by the action, loved the fact that it’s a 2 hour experience (vs. NBA/NFL) and enjoyed the environment. If this were closer for longer, and the ultimate score was 3-1, 4-1, I think some 3-game packers might opt for season tickets. All in all, I think we’re talking less than 500 people, so it’s a minor arguement.
by InternetCharlie on Jul 21, 2011 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
Know what would be fun
Lets play a friendly against a big Euro club with the stipulation that they must construct a roster consistent with our salary cap.
I honestly think we could give any team a run for their money.
Otherwise why get bent out of shape when comparing apples and oranges?
"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin
by Little old me on Jul 21, 2011 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
This has been bothering me, so I have to make this point
Anyone who is upset because they think that second half is a representation of the MLS needs to consider that all the players that were on the pitch during that half combine for an average of just over 23 minutes per game this season. And that number is bolstered by the likes of Parke and Riley.
There is a reason that there is now a reserve league, with reserve games and a reserve table. I know that those players are on a MLS roster, but many of them hardly (if ever) see the field in league play. Manchester United was not playing a MLS caliber side during that second half.
The best example I could give (and I know it has holes) is if the Mariners and the Rainier’s combined to play against the Dominican Republic. Would you really be this pissed off if the M’s kept it closed through six innings and then the R’s came into the game and got trounced? … During spring training, no less? I wouldn’t.
To say that United beat an MLS side 7-0 last night doesn’t really tell the truth. The headline of this piece reads “Manchester United Crushes Seattle Sounders Reserves 7-Nil Final.” I think that tells the real story. I know those guys wear Sounders jersey’s and that they are a big part of the club, but if they don’t even play in the league games why are they being held to the same standard as the side that played United to a 0-1 half? Last I checked the Sounders reserves are undefeated at their level, Seattle Sounders FC have been praised they past few weeks (and not just by Sounders Supporters) as the best team in MLS based on current form, and Manchester United is the current EPL champion. So let’s just keep this in perspective; Manchester United just destroyed a bunch of guys that hardly get any PT in MLS. Shocker.
If you insist on just looking at the score line and making sweeping generalizations without accurately representing what happened on the field then I suggest you apply to work for a national media outlet. That way you can just poach headlines and vomit your unfounded opinion without doing any real research and that will be completely acceptable, you’ll fit right in. And then ignorant people will respect your opinion, even though you don’t really know what you are talking about. However, if you are really concerned about how this looks to people out there in No Soccer Knowledge Land, then maybe you could take the time to talk with them about the game that just happened and highlight the fact that an MLS first team looked absolutely capable against the champions of the best league in the world. But ranting about “this is bullshit” and “the Sounders freaking’ suck” isn’t helping the situation and you are actually being counter productive to your own desires. It is not right to judge those two halfs by the same standard. Seattle Sounders FC played well against Manchester United for 45 minutes, and the Seattle Sounders FC Reserves got hammered. By putting those two together you are actually contributing to what is making you angry. And, it sounds ignorant.
It's not us that need to be convinced
It’s all the non-MLS fans that we’re trying to sell the league to. The fans that aren’t yet educated about the team enough yet to know that was our 3rd stringers at the end.
I think everyone on S@H understands the circumstances and that the game meant nothing. It’s everyone else…
by ABTsportsline on Jul 21, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions

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