Back-up Right Back - What Will They Try Next
In the friendly against Manchester United we saw David Estrada finally replace James Riley. The original plan seems to have been that Riley would get rested by Brad Evans, but the aggravation of Evans' injury meant that he wasn't able to go long enough. With Seattle firmly entrenched in three tournaments it doesn't matter that Riley is one of the fittest players on the team, they will need someone to back him up, and there are only interesting options with no one a lock.
The recent insertion of Estrada points out two things. First is that Zach Scott used to be in that role, but he's now more often a centerback. Scott during league play has started as a right back, but if he's playing as a CB in the CCL he can't also be the RB, or left back as he's also been used at times. Leo Gonzalez and Tyson Whal are both left sided players, with Leo being pushed into a left mid and even a center defensive mid role on rare occasions. Seattle has also used both Patrick Ianni and Jeff Parke as right backs at times, but again, their home is in the middle. The Sounders need that depth in the middle as much as they do on the outside.
The second thing that the use of David Estrada there shows us is how Sigi views that right back role. And here is where things get very interesting.
James Riley in college, and in his early MLS roles, was both a midfielder and a defender. His technical ability on offense is strong. He's able to beat his opposition (usually a left mid) on the dribble and is generally a nifty passer and solid crosser. His biggest weakness on defense tends to be his ability to recover from being too far forward which leads him to frequent sliding tackles and tactical fouls. When in the proper position his defense tends towards the league average. But he's clearly there for his ability to add to the offense.
In 2009, Lamar Neagle was seen as a possible future right back. The team liked his ability to range up the right touchline and his crossing. During his 2010 season he become a right forward/mid and is obviously now a left mid with a decent cross and penchant for shooting. Neagle's future seems to be at left mid now, and his performance as an attacking player makes it unlikely that they test his right back skills again.
Briefly in 2010 we saw box-to-box center midfielder Brad Evans briefly placed as a right back both with the United States team, and moments with the Sounders. In this case it was his tactical acumen that seemed to be what attracted the coaches to putting him there. Evans' solid defense and strong passing fit the role well, but the conversion didn't seem to suit him in his brief usage there, though he may have a future there long term.
Now in 2011 we've seen two more attempted conversions. Early in the season it was Roger Levesque. While Levesque isn't necessarily pacey, he does have the lungs and legs to run end to end. His passing and dribbling aren't as strong as we've seen in Riley, but his defending at the forward role is solid and his effort will never be questioned. With Levesque starting most league matches at forward it seems this experiment is over.
Estrada has strong technical skills, but his speed and decision making don't compare to the other players in the attacking mix so it shouldn't be a surprise that the coaching staff is now fiddling with the idea of teaching him the way they use the right back. While it is true that a proper wingback plays in an odd number defensive line, Seattle uses their fullbacks in the four defender system to get forward as much as any wingback. Estrada's speed may have a future there.
At this point we may even see the conversion of a Mike Seamon to the role. He'd be more like the attempt at changing Brad Evans, but he seems to be on the outside of the mix in the central midfield roles (behind Alonso, Friberg, Evans, Carrasco and Fernandez) and though not as fast as some of the others tested at the right back has some decent defense with a short passing repertoire.
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Brad Evans as right back is intriguing
It would allow Sigi to get his best players on the field. I don’t think Sigi will disrupt the midfield as long as the trio of Friberg, Rosales and Fernandez are playing well.
I don't think someone learning the RB bumps Riley
This is really a discussion about the back-up not the starter.
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A bit misunderstood
I was more referring to getting more playing time for Evans. Mostly CCL and Open Cup. He could be a great super-sub in league play and give Riley a breather now and again.
by Dizzo on Jul 24, 2011 8:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
if Evans is the RB in CCL/USOC
who is the CM?
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Good point
I’d rather have Seamon and Carrasco at C-Mid. Seamon did a good job there last year. Of course, Evans would be better hence why I really want them to get a dedicated young RB rather than try to convert someone mid-season.
Oh, thought you were asking only about CCL/USOC
Figured Riley is starting in league play, no?
by ABTsportsline on Jul 25, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we want to keep Evans as midfield depth.
Moving Evans to RB just shifts our depth issue from RB to midfield. Evans is first off the bench for RM and CM.
To me, it seems better to try Estrada or Seamon—guys who aren’t regularly seeing time.
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by LoiteringWithIntent on Jul 24, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
What we have right now is no true RB replacement
Scott is much better as a CB most likely, but can play RB. Evans can play RB but his home is in the midfield. Roger provides depth. None of these guys can be developed into the primary RB backup where they make the position their home. I think Evans knows the position well enough to play there in a pinch, which is all we need from him right now.
I agree with you that trying Estrada there is probably a smart move going forward. It gives him a position to call his own, and more than likely gets him on the field more often. We’ll see if this was just a one-time experiment due to the nature of the friendly, or a longer-term project. I’d like to see them give him some time there just like they did with Roger.
It seems like all of our in house options are more offensive minded players.
For now I think it has to be Evans. He’s the only one of the bunch that has shown he can be usefull back there. I do think however, if you’re going to have someone switch positions for good it should be Seamon.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Jul 24, 2011 1:34 PM PDT reply actions
Of course they are all offensive players
That’s what Sigi expects from a fullback
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True.
But it does seem like we get burned a lot on the counter becase our FB’s go too deep in the attack.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Jul 24, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That's an issue of communication
the two CBs are supposed to stay back obviously.
The next band of Wahl, Alonso, Riley at most two should be forward, and against certain teams only one.
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I think a lot of our counter attack issues are the inserting of Wahl and Friberg
They have added 2 good offensive forces but Evans worked well with Alonso in making sure if Alonso went Forward Evans would cover, and vise versa. We have seen Alonso become more and more involved in the attack this season. Combine that with both Wahl and Riley going forward we only have 2 men back.
Most systems with fullbacks that release into the attack have a deep midfielder that drops back to become almost a 3rd centerback. With Alonso and Friberg both playing so far forward this leaves us pretty exposed.
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by DarthGreedo on Jul 25, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
RB depth is the biggest issue this roster faces right now, IMHO
It should be a major priority in the transfer window. We have room under the cap for a DP and one 100k-ish guy, right? We should make the one non-DP signing a RB.
how about keeper?
I feel the backup keeper issue is just as unsatisfying. Both of them I would hope are resolved in the off season window at the latest
We've still seen nothing of Josh Ford
But Meredith is looking as good as Brian Perk as an MLS 3rd GK – from my one viewing at Starfire
Another point about Estrada
is that he’s a first-round pick that has contributed very little. While the ramifications aren’t the same as a NFL first-round bust, it would be nice if the Sounders could get some return on that pick. If moving Estrada to right back is the way to do that, it’s worth the experiment.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at?
Estrada’s two years of salary are indeed a sunk cost, so why wouldn’t the team want to attempt to get some value from that? I’m not suggesting he should be kept around ad infinitum just because he’s a first-rounder, just that it’s worth experimenting before parting ways.
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who's talking about parting ways?
-Two years at league minimum for a developing player is a common trend for draft picks regardless of draft position, and represents a fairly minimal investment for a team of means.
-A great deal of the “disappointment” of Estrada has been his being blocked by an array of healthy, superior/more league ready players at withdrawn forward. Even the attempt to fit him in as a winger has been inhibited by lack of need. If the team feels that he could potentially contribute at right back then it’s worth a try, but I feel that fans regularly read far too much into lack of opportunity.
To be clear, I thnk Estrada could potentially be a good backup at RB
It’s certainly worth a shot. But I don’t think we should be giving that shot because we think we should be trying to maximize the return on our first round draft pick. If Estrada is the best option the club has at backup RB, he should be our backup RB. If our best option at RB is a guy we picked up on waivers, that guy should be our backup RB.
2 possible options at right back
1. is Michael Tetteh capable of playing RB? is he good enough with his right foot to play RB? if so, that would be an ideal switch. I think Wahl is 27. so we can probably get 3-5 years out of him. So, instead of waiting 3-5 years to use Tetteh at LB, we could play him at RB. I understand he would still be a backup. But at least he would possibly be 2nd on the depth chart only behind Riley at RB, instead of 3rd behind Leo and Wahl at LB.
2. I’m sure alot of you will hate me for this.. But I think Mauro Rosales would be a perfect RB. I know it will never happen because we already have a starter in Riley. But most of you would agree that Mauro’s strongest attribute is his ability to cross the ball from the wing. Well, the number one thing you want in an attacking RB is a speedy player (like Rosales) who can get up and down the flanks and cross the ball into the box at will. A perfect fit. Because in all reality, I have no reason to believe that when Zak is back healthy and starting on the left wing, Sigi will put Alvaro Fernandez back on the right wing like he had at the beginning of the season. Rosales was a sub and I believe he will go back to the bench when Zak is back. Maybe putting him at RB here and there would give him a little more time on the pitch.
Rosales was a sub
due to the fact that his match fitness wasn’t there yet and was still learning our system. It would have not been the smartest decision to put him out as a starter while still being an unknown quantity during match play in our league. When Zak gets back I don’t necessarily see Rosales losing the right side, and could possibly see Alvaro moving into the middle and bumping Friberg.
Probably what will happen
And one could argue that we have the best off-the-bench midfield in the league with Neagle, Evans, and Friberg
by ABTsportsline on Jul 24, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
It’s been said before but it is a wonderful problem to have. Alvaro is really meshing well with the team now and while I like Friberg quite a bit, I still think Alvaro is an upgrade over him. Especially when you look at how often Evans has been injured this year, to move Alvaro inside and have Friberg be able to replace him later in the game is a fantastic option.
Fernandez is arguably one of the best players in the MLS right now
by ABTsportsline on Jul 24, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you on that
which is why I’d bump Friberg for him and choose Friberg over Evans. While Evans is a great box to box mid that any team would love to have, his injuries are just making him far to inconsistent for my tastes and I would rather have Friberg or Alvaro paired with Honey Badger to compliment their offensive nature to his defensive wall.
Playing RB requires one to be good at defense
Argentinian attacking players aren’t exactly known for their defensive prowess.
I like the philosophy
of experimenting with your existing roster rather than just going out and signing someone new. Besides the cap savings, you are also trying someone that already has chemistry and a familiarity with the team. At best you uncover a diamond, at worst you’re where you were before.
This philosophy is what separates the Sounders from a team like the Red Bulls.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 24, 2011 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
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I voted for Seamon
Simply because I think he has a higher ceiling than Estrada. I also prefer his size as I’d like to have some good strength all across the back line. I think Seamon has good distribution which would be valuable for a team starting to build attacks from the back rather than chase long balls and a prayer. Perhaps an unheralded aspect of Seamon’s game is he’s not afraid to take shots from distance – Ozzie style. We haven’t had fullbacks that threaten like that, and if an opponent had to worry about Ozzie and our fullbacks in addition to our 5 attackers? You’d open up the field quite a bit for even more beautiful passing.
I also think our midfield depth is perfect as long as Friberg and Evans are both on tap; I’d rather not move Evans unless we can’t get a serviceable solution from any of the other options.
There are a lot of unknowns for Seamon
Pretty much all the games I’ve seen with Seamon in the line-up had him at central midfield. I thought he looked good as the more attacking midfielder in CCL games with Fernandez as his partner. Lots of nice through balls and passing in the middle. I also saw him as a D-mid in a reserve game I believe and wasn’t quite as impressed.
So, for me, I like Seamon as a player, but I have no idea how good his defense and crossing is. The types of passes I’ve seen him use successful are much more suited to a central midfield spot. At least from the games I’ve seen, he’ll need to improve his marking ability and tackling to really excel as a RB.

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