Getting To Know CONCACAF Champions League
Most Seattle Sounders fans should be reasonably familiar with CONCACAF Champions League, but because it's a bit different than anything else in American sports, it can't hurt to do a bit of a refresher course. But even if you are well aware of CCL and how it works, this story should still be interesting as we'll go over some of the teams the Sounders are likely to face and what kind of chance they have at improving on last year's disappointing Group Stage performance.
The format
The easiest way to think about CCL is to put it in European soccer terms. Quite simply, this is the North American version of UEFA Champions League, as club teams from all over the confederation compete for a single prize in a league format. Right now, we are still in the qualifying stage, as the Sounders will have to beat San Francisco FC in a two-legged playoff in order to gain entry into Group D.
The first of the Sounders' two legs will be played on Tuesday in Panama. Think of this as one long 180-minute game with one half being hosted by each team. The main way this differs from the MLS Cup playoffs, though, is that away goals are the first tiebreaker. Last year, for instance, the Sounders were trailing in their away leg and would have needed overtime, but a late goal tied the score and essentially eliminated any chance of overtime.
If the Sounders can get past San Francisco a spot in Group D awaits. The favorite in the group will no doubt be Monterrey, the tournament's defending champion who gained entry to this tournament when they won the 2010 Apertura. The group's other automatic qualifier is Guatemala's Comunicaciones, which gained entry by winning their league's most recent Apertura and Clausura titles. The final spot in Group D will also be decided in a two-legged playoff as Costa Rica's Herediano will play Guyana's Alpha United.
The group stage would start around the middle of August and is contested in a relatively straight-forward way. The 16 remaining teams are put into one of four groups and play each of the other teams in their group at home and away. The top two teams by points will advance to the knockout stage, which won't take place until next year. In group stage, the first tiebreaker is goal-difference.
Scouting Report
At the Sounders' last training session before leaving for Panama City -- where the game will be played -- Sigi indicated that with five days between games, there shouldn't be any artificial limit on who can play when. Likely, this means we'll get a first-choice lineup for Tuesday's game against San Francisco and a very similar lineup when the team plays the Houston Dynamo on Saturday.
This is unquestionably good news. Last year's CCL qualifiers against Isidro Metapan were both played on shorter rest, but more relevantly featured less-than-first-team lineups. Metapan was hardly a powerhouse and the Sounders needed a late goal from Alvaro Fernandez to secure advancement to the Group Stage. Sounders fans would very much like to avoid the same kind of drama.
San Francisco's schedule has not been quite as kind, having played last Saturday. It is worth noting that they are off to a 2-0-0 start in league play, with a pair of 1-0 wins. They also play next Saturday.
It's tough to know what to make of San Francisco's roster. Gabriel Torres is probably their most skilled player, but it does not appear he is currently with the team as he is not listed on the team's website or the CCL website. Playing San Francisco without Torres, a midfielder who has earned looks from Manchester United and La Liga's Valencia, would make life a lot less dangerous. Also not listed on either of those rosters is Ricardo Phillips, a midfielder with more than 100 international caps. In fact, most of the players listed as having international experience on San Francisco's Wikipedia page appear on neither the team nor CCL site rosters.
One thing we do know about them is that they are coached by English ex-pat Gary Stempel, the former manager of the Panama national team. During his two-year reign, he helped guide Panama to the Central American Nations Cup and to the 2009 Gold Cup quarterfinals. Edit: Actually, we don't even know this. According to this article out of Panama, the coach is actually an Argentine named Leonard Pipino ... so, who knows?
Schmid didn't seem to know a whole lot about Stempel, but said his teams were always "well organized," something that has been born out during his time at San Francisco. In two separate stints, he has helped guide Los Monjes to six league titles, including the 2011 Clausura title that qualified them for this tournament. This is their second straight year in CCL. Last year they failed to make the group stage after losing 9-2 to Cruz Azul in the qualifying round.
Sounders outlook
Flying 3,600 miles to someplace where lightning and thunderstorms are predicted and night-time temperatures are supposed to be in the upper-70s or lower-80s is not going to make life easy. But the Sounders have become reasonably well-versed in playing in less-than-ideal situations this year. They will be pretty close to full health and, their loss to Manchester United aside, are playing as well as any team in MLS. Clearly, they have the more talented side. If they can manage to win, they'll be in stellar position. If they can manage at least a tie while scoring a goal or two, that would be huge as well. Even a loss, as long as it's not by more than one goal and especially if it involves them scoring at least one, is acceptable.
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Just a gut check
Is the general consensus that we’re going to get out of the prelims, and that this team really should not present us any problems assuming the boys don’t catastrophically fall apart?
Only if we treat them with respect
Which we probably will, but we can’t take it easy, we should win both legs, but like a NASL or USL Pro side, they could beat us a time or two out of 10 or 20.
Given that they were crushed by Cruz Azul last year
I think our A-Team would have a good shot at beating SFFC. I think we could go toe-to-toe with Cruz Azul pretty well, as we did ok with Monterrey, but did not get smashed by them. To me, that’s the best apples to apples I can think of.
by Brougham Hooligan on Jul 25, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Should
But weird stuff happens traveling south of the border so take nothing for granted.
In response to all three of you
That’s what I was hoping to hear. I assume we will take things as seriously as a league match. I’m mainly just hoping we don’t get surprised by playing the Monterrey of Panama, if you get my drift.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 25, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
And hopefully we don't "play down" to our competition
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 26, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm less optimistic
I think we’ll be lucky to come away with a draw in Panama, and then win it at home. The conditions are likely to be pretty rough and hostile there. At least the game will be played in Panama City, which is more likely to present professional conditions (especially for travel arrangements) than their usual home stadium in La Chorrera. Likewise, I think San Francisco will really struggle up here.
I don’t have any statistics to back this up, but I have a gut feeling that home field advantage means more in CCL than MLS, especially for MLS sides.
If we can make it through, I feel better about the group than last year. Monterrey is not as powerful as they were last year if the Clausura is anything to go by. I actually got to watch them play at UNAM Pumas in February (which was an incredible blast) and they looked miserable, though they have improved since then.
Correction to your third paragraph
Our aggregate against Metapan was 2-1, not 2-2, first leg at Qwest 1-0 Seattle, second leg in El Salvador 1-1, kind of ruins the point you were illustrating I know and I hate being one of those guys, but someone’s gotta do it, it’s just very fresh in my mind right now for a variety of reasons so as soon as I read it I knew it was a mistake.
Can even delete this after you fix and I won’t mind as I view this type of housekeeping off topic.
you're right
I appear to have a faulty memory
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 25, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Snuck it by me
I thought about it and was like, “Why was I so excited about Flaco’s goal if it only meant we didn’t lose 2-0?” Now that I recall he actually tied the game, I remember why I was so excited.
yeah, in my mind i was thinking it was more dire too...
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 25, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
coverage
i assume this game is on FSC. anyone know if it will also be on the CCL website (or anywhere else) for those of us without FSC?
Last year all the CCL games were streamed on the CCL site
I would imagine they’ll have them again this year. Free registration required. Horrible aouncing for the games. Check back here at SAH on game day and I’m sure we’ll have a link.
My question as well.
I remember having a tough time seeing games last year. I had to resort to P2P Internet sites which is always risky and poor quality.
by Zakuani11Fan on Jul 25, 2011 5:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I remember appreciating the Electricity kits last year because of this
Thank god FSC is in HD now; won’t be so damn hard to make out our players!
Too bad we couldn’t have Arlo travel with the team – for our ears’ benefit. FSC’s CCL announcers are on a different level of horrible.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 26, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
just a heads up
I had FSC in HD last year and most of the CCL feeds were in SD so you will probably get a nice little border with your still crappy SD feed. At least the border will look nice :) Sorry to be a buzzkill.
by Colin Johnson on Jul 26, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I guess I forgot HD hasn't been "invented" yet down there
Kidding, before any Panamanian readers jump all over that…
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 26, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
In case anyone missed the post
Here’s a FANTASTIC article that gives an overview of what the Sounders should expect in the qualifying and (hopefully) group stage of the CCL.
i dont recall if concacfchampions.com streamed the playin/group stages last year
i only used it for the RSL/Monterrey series this past spring.
looks like Terry Boss didnt make the trip
but Josh Ford did
http://www.soundersfc.com/media-library/Images/Events/2011/07-July/110724-Panama/cst-ES1G3342.aspx
maybe?
I only count 19 players there...
…and I thought they were bringing 20, so that seems inconclusive, though you never know.
Given the backup keeper is doubtful to see any minutes
I think this might have been more of a message than strategic, yes.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 26, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Ianni's not in that photo
Not sure why, I thought he traveled with the team?
He's in the team video of training
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