Seattle Sounders at San Francisco FC Panama - Gamethread
by Dave Clark on Jul 26, 2011 3:44 PM PDT
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PrintWhen the Seattle Sounders travel to Panama City, Panama to face San Francisco FC they will be on their longest travel for a competitive match of their existence. They will face a team that is not well known and that little coverage online. The Monks have two strong offensive players in Johan De Avila and Roberto "The Bomber" Brown, but beyond that are a club consistently in transition. Though stocked with quality players from both Panama and Colombia SFFC has yet to succeed in regional tournaments.
Locally though they are quite strong having won 8 titles in their history, 6 in their past 14 seasons while finishing second in 4 more seasons. They are good, but not great. Panamanian sides haven't performed well in the CONCACAF Champions League, but that doesn't mean Seattle can play it safe. An away goal here would change a ton, as it would prevent a conservative approach in Seattle next week. Considering Seattle's weaknesses against the bunker-counter strategy they can ill afford that here. One goal on the road prevents that though. Tonight, Seattle should push for an early goal and then play their standard football. This is a winnable game, though not easy.
The game is on Fox Soccer and probably CONCACAF.com at 5 PM.
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"Probably" concacaf.com
Does anyone know for sure?
Keep in mind we are talking about concacaf.com
There’s no ‘for sure’ until you see little dudes kicking a ball on your monitor.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 26, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Streaming
I heard foxsoccer.tv but I think that’s paid and I didn’t see it listed in the upcoming broadcasts. Hoping for a free stream otherwise its twitter and here for me.
by Todd Peterson on Jul 26, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Spanish PTI >>>>>>>> English PTI
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by Craig Powers on Jul 26, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know spanish
and yet still true
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by Dave Clark on Jul 26, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The same can be said about Spanish sportscenter
Great place for footy coverage. Plus they often have unbelievably good looking women hosting.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
On the site they have no live events listed for the next 7 days
And no mention of streaming anywhere for preliminary round games.
So veetle it is.
Jack Warner was the only one that knew how to add new games to the site. I was going to take my yacht down to the game but the big one is in dry dock and I’m too embarrassed to take the little one out.
by lefthand on Jul 26, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Can anyone confirm or deny a replay later tonight?
I looked online at the Root Sports page and didn’t see anything…really hoping to find this out before the hour.
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Not on Root
It is a FSC broadcast so Root will not show it. FSC may replay
FSC Rerun
http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/tvschedule
12am Tomorrow morning
I think those are typos of "San Francisco," but who actually knows anything about that team.
Nice to hear the scarves are selling. I hope you guys make a new design next season or sooner.
count on it
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing like watching FSC with craptastic announcers and stunning SD on an HD channel
Come on Fox Soccer prove me wrong.
Read a pronunciation card and spend some money on some cameras.
I mean… um….can’t wait til 5. Go Sounders!
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Is anybody at the game?
And able to access the internet?
Lineups
Keller – Riley, Ianni, Parke, Gonzale – Rosales, Alonso, Friberg, Neagle – Montero, Levesque
subs – Fucito, Fernandez, Scott, Jaqua, Carrsaco, Noonan, Ford
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Why Levesque? WHY!?!? I ask myself that question in increasingly exasperated tones every week. And, thankfully so far, Levesque scores a goal to make me look foolish.
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by Perrinbar on Jul 26, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
To my eyes, Levesque has plain looked better than I've seen him in the past
I like Fucito off the bench if we need offense, too.
He tries hard.
We can continue to out coach the guy who is signed until 2015 or attempt to figure out why he’s in there (as in, maybe we’re not seeing everything… or maybe it’s easier for us to judge post-game…) Sigi is 50-some-odd-years-old(I am not going to fact check) so I kind of think he’s not the fly by night crazy coach that is up for new/old players that show drive/emotion/aggressive-play…. Maybe Rodger deserves it because he shows up and does his job when we’re not in the stands.
Sports. Right?
According to the ever reliable Mr. Mayers, Boss is out with a concussion. So that explains him not traveling.
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It's from banging his head against his locker after the ManU match
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by 108Ultra on Jul 26, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
To be fair, only like two of the goals were directly his fault.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say whose fault they were
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
I'm watching this link
The Justin.tv link went to a wsc match
Nope.
KIRO didn’t want to lose drive-time.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 26, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm counting them out at this point
I don’t think they got their ducks in a row for the start of the tournament.
About 15 ECS in the stands
I need their jobs
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Maybe we've picked up some Panamanian supporters?
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
No, they had a banner and everything
These are people who traveled. I envy them.
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AND they're singing!
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
They called our Shale "Negra"
I’m so conflicted.
We were one off on lineup
Looks like we got them all except Roger instead of Fucito.
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nope two wrong
Lamar Neagle instead of Alvaro. duh
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Uggh...
I mean, I like the idea of Neagle, but he kind of frustrates me…
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He was until he complained about not liking the travel
I think the Sounders may have been essentially out of it by that point, though
Weather looks better than predicted...
famous last words?
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Apparently they burned every single electicity kit they owned.
That’ll get rid of the memory of the ManU match, for sure….
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Disappointing result
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
God this field nbot looking good
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I assume you actually have FSC?
I can’t see a thing on these streams…
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
i do
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it the crummy webcast
Or is the field really that chunky
it's chunky
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Seattle will be used to that
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"Take Them All" coming through loud and clear
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Its typical
call it tight early and then loosen it up once there’s better flow to the game, that way the game doesn’t get out of hand later on
Nice work to get Alonso that shot
Definitely don’t mind him taking that.
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Oh come on...
Really, alonso’s nationality keeps him from being more highly regarded? Not sure I buy that.
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It does keep him from playing for a national team
So somewhat lower exposure that way.
Perhaps when he first joined the league, I could believe it, but not after all this time.
He has to be regarded as one of the best in the league, at any position.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
I think it has more to do with the manner of his signing
He was an unknown quanitity when he defected. Very little film on him. It’s why he spent a year in USL, and it might explain why he’s with an MLS team despite arguably being better quality than the league usually gets
two mls teams passed on him
Battery barely beat Sounders USL out for him.
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Were the teams Toronto and New England?
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Chivas and I don't recall
he had tryouts
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Defensive mids are shockingly under-appreciated
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 26, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd agree that's true of fans...
…but is it true of front offices?
FSC guy plays the racism card when talking about Ozzie and the All-Star game
I almost agree with him, though.
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I guess it's kinda obvious
But I don’t remember tickets going on sale for the CCL…
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all over radio
their website, email to STH
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ah, that makes sense
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I really wish we had grass
i mean just look at that field.
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by Dave Clark on Jul 26, 2011 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I especially like the pig wallow in Kasey's 6 yard box.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Pay the damn satellite bill FOX
I mean tap a phone and blackmail somebody if you have to.
by Wisepunk on Jul 26, 2011 5:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Quick FK to Neagle
Crosses it, defender handles it poorly, Levesque decides not to shoot through the mass of bodies in the box, drops it to Friberg, who places a beautiful ball to Montero’s head on the back post, who aims it low to the near post but can’t quite get it on target.
It was Fredy
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
obligatory THIS IS SARCASTIC reply for those who don't get ot
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, the Friendly loss has destroyed seattle's attitude
Thanks FSC
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Jesus, FSC guys yammering about ManU match
rather than analyzing Sounders attack.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Kasey yukking it up w/ ref
Good sign.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Is the SF coach
Wearing a different teams kit?
Don't have streaming up yet. Wha Happen?
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Just a really bad giveaway in his own end
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 26, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, man
Seeing “Dear god [defender’s name]” before I can watch raised my blood pressure a bit.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
poor pass
lead to turnover in midfield
by Colin Johnson on Jul 26, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
So weird to hear the players calling to each other
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
I look forward to it!
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Yikes
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
You can buy a date with him you know
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Will Pain Machine be there?
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The dog or the mystery tweeter?
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Just tuned in--- Two things:
1) How has the run of play been going through the first 20; and
2) Is anyone attending this game?!
we've dominated by scored tied 0-0
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
My feed switched to Spanish
:(
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Were you on Link 4 on front row?
I switched over to 3.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully this works - I've been hacking away at a feed, paste this into an HTML file to watch with no ads or anything.
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well this is a disaster
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Fuck handball
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Oh, handball
Thought they were calling foul.
Because the shit field gave way
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
That is not a penalty.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
I know he slipped
But what was he thinking with the pass up the middle?
F
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
Wow. MLS quality call.
Handball has to be intentional to be a violation. This clearly wasn’t.
by CarlosT on Jul 26, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It was a penalty
He fell on the ball, and his hand pulled the ball away from the defender. Not intentional, but I would make that call.
I also think it's the right call
As much as it kills me.
by scottykimberly on Jul 26, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
His foot slipped out from the poor pitch
His hand went straight down as he fell. That was the only contact. It was not in any way intentional, and he didn’t even gain an advantage.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
I've always thought it's a bit much to as of the ref to judge intent on those
They’re bound to make mistakes when you make the calls subjective. What seems obvious to one is not as obvious to another, especially in real time.
You'd be wrong.
If it’s not intentional, it’s not a violation.
by CarlosT on Jul 26, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I meant I agree with the ref calling on what he saw
Parke’s hand is away from his body and strikes the ball. That is ALWAYS going to be a handball. Now if you want to debate whether it was intentional, and what part of his body action was intentional versus unintentional, then go for it. However, the ref made the call that he is always going to make in that situation, and the call that every ref is going to make when an extended arm bats a ball in the box.
by scottykimberly on Jul 26, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Note
When I say “that is ALWAYS going to be a handball” I’m talking about what refs call. I know the rule, so don’t just respond with some trollish snark about intention in touching.
by scottykimberly on Jul 26, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Ball to hand, not hand to ball
The ball was kicked into his hand as he fell. That should never be called as a violation.
by CarlosT on Jul 26, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kasey Keller against the Wizards in the inaugural season ring a bell?
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Also a bad call
And I said so at the time.
Which is also why I referred to this as an MLS quality call.
I guess I misspoke
Next time I’ll just say “I don’t mind the call.” I guess it’s the realist in me.
by scottykimberly on Jul 26, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Parke
slipped how is that a intentional PK?
Brown is going to be an annoying little bitch
I just started watching and he’s just flopped around and requested tons of calls from the ref
Terrible PK call
But we’re better enough than SF that it shouldn’t matter
"No question, the official got it correct."
Commentators should learn rules.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
So, there doesn’t seem to be a reason that sort of handball should actually be a penalty. I mean there was no advantage and it was unintentional. Rules.
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by Perrinbar on Jul 26, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
still recovering
from Uruguay victory celebration?
by look4wrd on Jul 26, 2011 5:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We have been coming back from one goal deficits
with regularity.
by look4wrd on Jul 26, 2011 5:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
San Fran doesn't look like they are abandoning their dump and chase tactics.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
And it starts
Pretend off the ball injury. Fantastic.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
Not sure
There was a huge divot right where he fell
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
So I gots to say all these crosses into the box would be great if we had anyone but Fredy that was good with their head in there. Say, Flaco.
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Savarese is calling this game
I wish i knew spanish.
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Leo
Trying to be sent off again?
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Our aerial capabilities are just awful...
No wonder Sigi feels like he has to use Jaqua.
Good look by Gonzalez
Poor execution in the through ball to Neagle
Off the ball movement is pretty good too
Especially in midfield.
If we win this game
it will be because we are the far fitter team. San Fran already looks gassed.
Also
We are completely outplaying them for the most part. We just need to get on the end of our crosses.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
Man, I should start practicing falling over if someone touches me. I might have a future in South American soccer.
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It used to be part of the river between Washington and Oregon???
(The country’s name is Colombia.)
They also know refs fall for it.
I don’t like it or condone it, but it works.n.
Your point being? Obviously the refs need to be better at recognizing and there should be post-game punishments for simulating. Neither of which are coming in large measure any time soon.
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The refs are from Guatemala
How many times do you suppose they get to review their games with a decent video feed of their games? How much do you suppose they make for a typical game? I’m keeping my expectations in check.
Point being
that in reality land it’s going to continue to happen so get used to it.
Announcers are a joke
THese guys sound like they are part of a high school television project. FSC should be able to find better than this. They don’t even know the names of all the players.
Sounders….FINISH!!
standard fsc fare unfortunately
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did he just call Zach Scott
an important sub?
by TheTank123 on Jul 26, 2011 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
he sure did
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see more build-up through the middle
Crosses aren’t working right now, and I have confidence in Fredy, Alonso and Friberg to slip it through their bunker for a few good chances.
I was thinking that too
I think, rather, since they are giving us space, taking the ball to the endline and crossing it back to the middle would work better.
If he wasn't so lazy he would have actually fouled the guy instead of watching him dive like that.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
by DarthGreedo on Jul 26, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How are the Mariners doing?
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s gonna be a niner. He’s gonna be a niner!! I hope anyway.
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I just went over to Field Gulls
Matt Leinart? Really?
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
like someone else posted
suicide jokes aren’t really funny
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gotta switch the point of attack quicker
by look4wrd on Jul 26, 2011 5:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
He fell down
What more evidence do you need?
by bass2base on Jul 26, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Oh wait, we play TWO 45 minute halves!?"
by wyte_lightning on Jul 26, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
"And then a whole other game later? What is this?!"
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Goals are scored more frequently at the end of the first half
Than at the beginning of the second half. It’s a dangerous time of the game, and disregarding the ethics, a tactically good spot to waste time if you’ve got the lead.
Jeez, can't believe we are losing to this team
Absolutely dominated chances and possession
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Yeah, the one that the ref gave them.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 26, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Deservedly,
unfortunately. Still doesn’t make it plural though.
Need to get Flaco out there
We’re killing ’em with crosses, just need some height.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 26, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
For a second I thought the ref was a Sounder thanks to his jersey color
I maintain that screaming “PASS IT!” was not in vain…
Play on a shitty field and hope you're opponents fall
???
Profit!
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You just described most of our CCL games last year.
Awful surfaces, awful refs, cagey and bunkering opposition.
I wouldn't expect that to change any time soon
Unless someone is sitting on a bunch of money they’d like to invest in Central American soccer.
No doubt.
I’d imagine that lots of people put winning CCL as a higher priority than winning USOC, yet the disparity in the overall quality of the two tournaments is pretty glaring.
On a lighter note...
Don’t forget to come to tomorrow’s screening of Rise & Shine.
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I see three problems with this team that keep them from being consistently dominant.
1. Shit defensive mistakes. And I mean shit. They give up waaaayyyyyy too many goals via breakdowns, missed marks or giveaways. I know it sounds like I’m cherrypicking from this game but go back and watch.
2. Offense via the air. So many times Rosales or Friberg or Flaco or Neagle or Riley or Wahl or Player X serve a decent ball in with no one on the other end. They need a guy who consistently gets it done.
3. No one can break down a defense by himself. This is the big one for me. Not a single player on the team can create his own chances consistently. The players with the skill (Montero and Rosales) are too slow. I love Fredy but he looks like he’s running with concrete boots on. The players with the speed (Neagle, Flaco, Friberg, Alonso, Riley, Levesque) don’t have the skill. This is why Zakuani getting inured hurts so badly.
I think you miscategorized Flaco
If anything, he’s got the skill but not the speed. If he has possession near the penalty box, he’s goal dangerous all by himself.
His acceleration is crap
but his top speed is faster than it looks.
Did you just say Roger Levesque is fast?
You sure you’ve been watching the game?
by Sounders4life on Jul 26, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry dude
but Levesque is faster than Rosales or Montero. I’ll be more careful about the 6th guy on my list next time.
So the reason that you can't anything on SFFC on the internet is
because they play shitty, boring soccer in a shitty, empty field (I know it’s not their normal one, but come on).
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Jul 26, 2011 5:57 PM PDT reply actions
And win trophies!
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
We need to start turning all this posession into shots
we are not challenging the goal enough. Bring on Fernandez and we should look a lot better
As much as I can't believe I'm typing this...
…bring on Jaqua, too. Height in the box would make a huge difference in our offense against these guys.
ok so im starting to remember why i hate FSC announcers
they cant pronounce any names!
THAT was a weird gene-splicing incident...
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Not unique to FSC announcers, unfortunately.
Can you imagine Kevin Calabro trying to call this game?
by Kenneth Jung on Jul 26, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean, like Erik Fry-burg?
I remember one game in last year’s tournament where they got about half the starting XI wrong.
I remember the guy last year was pretty hilarious.
English guy who couldn’t pronounce even the most straightforward names. Wahl became Vahl. Fucito was Fucheeka. Palacios was Paliakos.
Scholes testimonial vs. Cosmos
One club man vs. zero club club. A bit strange to me.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
by mistuhp on Jul 26, 2011 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Have you seen who is playing for the Cosmos in that game?
Cannavaro, McBride, Friedel, Keane, etc. Some big names.
by scottykimberly on Jul 26, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Mercenaries don't impress me
until they are a team, they shouldn’t pretend to be one
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
by Dave Clark on Jul 26, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh I wasn't giving credit to the Cosmos
I also give them no credit. I was just saying it’s cool all those big names are coming together.
by scottykimberly on Jul 26, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This is for myself, since I'm switching PCs in a second
http://www.soccertvlive.net/watch/75183/3/watch-c.a.-san-francisco—vs-seattle-sounders-fc.html
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glad we could be your pasteboard
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounder at Heart invented "the Cloud"?
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
we invented everything else, right?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the Internet and Pants.
by Jackington on Jul 26, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for buying them so we can afford Sounders tickets and Yachts.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
The worst thing about FOX Soccer is that the announcer doesn't seem to care
He just doesn’t seem to be into the game at all.
He's in a studio in LA
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
should count ourselves lucky they aren’t recreating game sounds with Foley techniques
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
punch a steak everytime the ball is kicked….crowd noise recorded from Styx concert
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Who are these people that keep watching Final Destination tickets?
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or buying tickets...
man, good english jer
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
With the gross that series makes
its no wonder why they keep making them. But yeah, who the hell keeps going to those thinking they’re going to be different?
Mine keeps stuttering for long amounts of time every 5-10 seconds
I’m using firstrow…wonder if it’s just my computer
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 26, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's the feed
Mine’s the same way
by wyte_lightning on Jul 26, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you tried all four of the links?
by wyte_lightning on Jul 26, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, all same results.
I’m trying out some links on the nowsport.net posted below..we’ll see how it goes
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 26, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
No
but you should definitely have that checked out. Might be gonorrhea.
For anyone wanting a variety of streams
Go to nowsport.net. So you can pick the one that runs best on your computer
Exponentially of 15 or 20?
What might that be?
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Could be anything
If 15 or 20 is the exponent, what’s the base?
it was just an empty comment from the announcer
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Pointing out empty comments from the announcers is an exercise in futility.
Now with more lemon bars!
Does anyone find it odd when English speaking commentators pronounce Spanish and German names too correctly?
or is just me?
Well, when they try to pronounce them correctly and fail, yeah
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
How many Sounders fans are present?
I can hear them. Good to know the Sounders are still represented.
That would be why Whal is prefered
Although I won’t say that he’s better at defense, he just serves a mean ball in.
by Dustin Titus on Jul 26, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
half time results in game one leg one don't matter
and if I shout it I may belive it.
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
by Dave Clark on Jul 26, 2011 6:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
that’s why hosting the second leg is a treat right? you get to score five goals in Seattle next week? is it at Starfire or Downtown Stadium
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Sounders fan
Galaxy blog editor, on my couch on painkillers for second degree burns on right hand fingers. typing is tough, but i’m pulling for y’all and wnted to say hi
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:14 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I've been reading LAGConfidential
Good stuff. Sorry about your hands :\
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 26, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
Here’s hoping for a quick recovery for ya
by wyte_lightning on Jul 26, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
what happened?
Timbers army put an IED in your keyboard?
by look4wrd on Jul 26, 2011 6:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I…er…I was melting chocolate to make brownies, and it was too hot…(embarrassed)
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Shall we pass the plate to buy you a double boiler?
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
i would be most obliged…nah i know better i just wanted it done fast and paid the price
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't stand between a woman and her chocolate
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
my favorite part of the story is the part where i kept stirring the brownies with my burnt hand in cold water….felt faint and lied down…then got up again to put the brownies in the oven
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
What were you gonna do
not finish making the brownies? Everyone knows food stops the pain :-)
That is one of the things Riley does that drives me insane.
He’s got tons of space to chest that ball down and take possession, and he instead heads it right to an opposing player.
He collects the ball then decides
instead of deciding then collecting.
does anyone have more international experience than Fernandez?
He’s played a couple of seasons of Libertadores, sudamericana? But doesn’t start?
Super Snap!
Keller has more than 100 appearances just for the US!
Could be carrying a small knock from training for all we know
I’d bet we’ll see him eventually. It worked for Monterrey to bring Suarez in after they were down 2-0 to the Sounders, having a good player with fresh legs can be great.
Suazo*
They brought in Humberto Suazo and we gave up 3 goals in 4 minutes >.<
That breakaway
is a reason for Gonzalez to play over Wahl. The attacker would’ve been off to the races if Wahl were chasing him.
"the individual ability to just run past players..."
Has this guy seen Montero play? Pace is not exactly his strong suit.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
So, I couldn't get home until half-time.
Does Panama not have any fans? ECS sounds great!
Sounders 'til I die
It's kind of like the game in El Salvador last year, in that it's not their home ground.
Plus it is a baseball country, more than futbol.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
part of problem
it’s not at their home stadium
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, that explains it.
ECS still sounds great! :D
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh Fredy, so close
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
wht is that from?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
ah yeah
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
in the same way Jay-Z wrote Hard Knock Life : )
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Control, but no points
And good for nutin ref
Down 1-0 due to soft pk call on an unintentional handball on Parke
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 26, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, I feel awful now.
This just made me realize that I was taking for granted that SF got a goal on an epic defensive failure. I didn’t even bother to check.
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Just saw the penalty call on replay
FWIW I thought the ref got it right. If Parke doesn’t touch it with his hand he’s in on goal.
by bauckus on Jul 26, 2011 6:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Crap penalty on Parke, we're down 1-0
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Sounders have dominated run of play too
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Holy shit
Dizzo with a brilliant observation – Ref calls everything and allows tons of diving. Ref is from Guatemala (I think). Carols Ruiz (also from Guatemala, I think) dives like he thinks he’s Greg Luganis. He’d play well in this game…
Friberg is killing me today
just seems to be stuck
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no i know...
just seems to have happened to him a lot more
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this
when I played football it felt like quicksand. After practicing and playing on field turf all year pretty much all grass sucked unless it was very well kept.
Yeah I used to play on the Snohomish fields
and they would regularly flood so I always loved playing on turf
ha! I remember playing there
It was either flooded or a crabgrassy dustbowl. Horrible place to play.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 26, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
So many memories though
We won that thing for like 6 straight years. This was back when it meant something of course. We had to run uphill all game.
Flaco and Fucito coming on
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Church is in session.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Pass the plate
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Pastor Dave hasn't started the sermon yet.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Roger and Lamar off
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Agreed.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
That's awesome!
Now I’m thinking about going to subway after this is over.
by Derek Markgraf on Jul 26, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigi wants this
These subs are early for him, even when trailing
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
by 108Ultra on Jul 26, 2011 6:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
In the first 10 minutes, yeah
Sorry, comment was delayed
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by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Hopefully Fucito's speed will be a game changer
He just burned that left back. I think the announcer got one right.
Whistle
I was almost sure they were calling another penalty kick…
by Ruben Pagan on Jul 26, 2011 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The thing I'm most concerned about
Is the 0 Away Goals if this game finishes 1-0. Seattle has to put at least one on the board since that is the tiebreak.
Same
A 2-1 loss would be much better than 1-0 loss.
Agreed.
I’d be much happier with that result.
by scottykimberly on Jul 26, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we stop complaining about the pitch?
Sure, it’s not optimal, but when we crush them at RBP, we’re not gonna be like, “Yeah! FieldTurf in your face!” … I hope, lol.
by agtk on Jul 26, 2011 6:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
"Royal Brougham Park"
Some are calling Century Link by that name.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
And we have zero execution
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
by 108Ultra on Jul 26, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brown
That dude was with the Rapids, big surprise. he is crashing into everything
All our passes look a few degrees off.
Very strange.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Here we go
SFFC players are starting to get shot by all those snipers around the stadium…
Studs up challenge, foul seen, no booking.
Thanks CONCACAF ref.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Arm to face, no red.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Nice acting Mauro
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Acting? He took a hand to the face.
Not much acting required.
Now with more lemon bars!
by Fear on Jul 26, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He went down holding his nose after being grabbed by the neck. It was definitely a foul, it’s just required some acting to get it called.
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He may have overacted a bit, but it was definitely a card.
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say I objected
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
having sat in press boxes ran by mls staff, and then by concacaf staff, i have to disagree
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ah, right, carry on. i’ll give you a coupon for that joke i ruined
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
ay ay ay
no idea. Sigis infatuation with veterans is weird.
Noonan's been pretty decent in midfield
I’ll reserve judgment
Noonan will be the game changer, eh?
I hope he’s right, but I fear he is not.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Oh this guy...
Group D is group of death? First guy I’ve heard say that…
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What else would the D stand for?
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I love how SFFC dives when they foul us.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Damn, it's like a 3000 mile flight
saps that little extra surge of energy out of our legs or something.
by look4wrd on Jul 26, 2011 6:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Keller displeased with Sparkles
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
where is our free goal?
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Clear handball, no call. Huh.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Love how quick he was to call the first handball...
I guess when everyone stops playing because it was a handball, that’s not a signal that maybe it was a penalty.
by Dustin Titus on Jul 26, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sticky shirt?
Only way you can say that didn’t hit a hand
HOw a bout a replay?
Too much to ask?
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I get the feeling it's fox announcers off a concacaf video feed.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
your feelings are correct. trust your feelings, Luke
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea
it is cause of the technical difficulties earlier and we could still hear the announcers.
It's okay.
I’d rather not end up breaking my TV anyway.
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He's missed a couple today.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
shut up with this meaningless stat
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sounders haven't scored in final 15 minutes of last year's ccl
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly a significant sample size
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Live broadcasting is really hard, but it does seem like
Ooo, the random number generator generated some numers. Let’s make storylines
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
last 10 minutes THEY'VE NEVER SCORED
….in 8 CONCACAF games
The number of bars on the screen right now
have my 42" TV displaying a 26" image…
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:47 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
James Riley also give the ball away at an alarming rate
It is not good when your outside backs constantly turn the ball over.
WHAT THE HELL DO WE HAVE TO DO?!?!?!
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
I can't even.....
……
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
wow.
Can’t believe that didn’t go in!
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
hell, hell, hell
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More horrendous marking in the box
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
I'm kind of tired of hearing
“Interesting decision by Leo Gonzalez.”
I would like him to make bland decisions that do not raise interest.
by scottykimberly on Jul 26, 2011 6:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i want these annoucner to stfu
just be silent for the final 5 mins
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Get ready for the "ManU hangover" narrative if we don't equalize
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
Will $5 convert that to a penalty kick?
Sounders 'til I die
by SounderJunkie on Jul 26, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I dont understand
Why do we stop a fast break when they have 4 players on our back line?
by Brian23 on Jul 26, 2011 6:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Good God, what is Noonan doing out there?
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
is that the Nike EPL ball that they’re using? Wonder how it’s affecting flight, since the Adidas Jumbalaya ball flies like crazy
In all honesty
Jumbalaya should’ve been the name for that ball. Anytime I’ve heard people (Americans, at least) talk about it, they refer to it that way.
Jumbalaya…Jamya Mays…eventua…JUBALANI that’s it!
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
At some point he's got to be tired right?
I mean he’s played just about every game.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
He plays defense
as much as he gets up and down the wing he doesn’t run as much as most attacking players.
Dave and I have a bet about this
"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin
by Little old me on Jul 26, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
What's the bet?
Doesn’t Opta track these kind of stats?
I'll have to look up the exact terms
and yes.
"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin
by Little old me on Jul 27, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why it's better to watch the Spanish feeds
You don’t notice the stupid commentary when you don’t understand it.
by CarlosT on Jul 26, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
eh, one goal should be easy to make up at home
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
most frustrating game of the year?
without a doubt
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
sir, don't yell at me, but
more frustrating than July 4th?
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Which year?
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
this part one, the nil-nil draw: Seattle had all the chances but just the one point
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
yes more frustrating than that
we didn’t lose on july 4 and that was against a much better team
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
right, but i mean y’all flew to Panama and only gave up one goal on a penalty. I think the glass is like half full dude
by Josie Becker on Jul 26, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe 1/3? Or 1/4?
Half full would have been 0-0.
Wow what a horrible letdown
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
by 108Ultra on Jul 26, 2011 6:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
MotM for any game playedd in South America...
The referee
I think this game stole my money and gave me herpes
It was that bad.
by wyte_lightning on Jul 26, 2011 6:59 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Rofl
Dude, thank you for making me laugh. I’ve been in a foul mood ever since the final whistle blew.
How 'bout we just win by 7 and be done with it?
The Next Generation of the KC
by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Scenarios
We win with 2-0, 3-0, 3-1, 4-1, 4-2, etc.
We lose with 2-1, 3-2, 4-3, any tie, any loss.
1-0 goes to ET and pens.
One thing
am I correct that, if it is 1-0, and goes to ET, then we both score in ET, their goal doesn’t count towards the away goals rule and it goes to PKs??
I hadn't thought of that
But I presume that since it gives one team more opportunity for an away goal than the other team that the away goal rule is not in effect once you go to ET.
I must be a masochist
Watching the Sounder lost to a horrific team whilst watching the Mariners get dominated by the Yankees all while listening to two idiots and their inane babbling.
by Jackington on Jul 26, 2011 7:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
would not call 3-1 dominating
The Next Generation of the KC
by s0merand0mdude on Jul 26, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I would call 7 innings of 1 hit and 14 strikeouts being dominated.
But that’s just me.
by Jackington on Jul 26, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's only the first leg.
Yeah it sucks…. but the game in a place like that is always a crapshoot, and it’s not like our boys are down 4-0. We need a big turnout on the home leg. Too bad I can’t be there.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
Answer me this...
During the friendly against Man Utd (I know I’m beating a dead horse) we had some awesome shots on goal, great defense in the first half, and all of our starters were in. We play against SFFC, and we have a completely different game. I know that there are completely different circumstances, but what the hell?!
Am I wrong in thinking this?
Nevermind. I apologize.
I got caught up in “Sounders didn’t tie/win” mode. Manchester United was a completely different side. Tactics were different and United didn’t have anything to play for.
I know that the friendlies don’t mean anything to both teams usually, but I thought that we would’ve been on somewhat of a high because of our starters’ performance in the 1st half.
friendlies
are meaningless matches so that may probably why the first half against Manu to totally different compared today’s match.
I was thinking the same thing
I don’t understand it. Last Wednesday, Montero had some great shots, and Flaco made some impressive moves, and that was against Rio and Nemanja “War Crime” Vidic.
Home-field advantage in CCL is huge
It’s not so far off to consider playing away in CCL to be a one-goal handicap. Couple that with questionable finishing and bad PK luck, and we lose 1-0. We really ought to be able to keep a clean sheet against them next week and score a couple goals. Of course, it’d be better to not be in that position, but tonight’s result isn’t all that difficult to fathom.
I didn't really consider that, in my short-sightedness.
But that makes some sense. Based on last years’ Champions league results, our home results (Sounders – Opponent) were 3-4 vs 3-7 away. So yeah, we are beter at home.
Seems to me, we're going to need a clean sheet next Wednesday...
I hope our defense is up to it.
Lame effort...
-Rosales with a meh game. Decent crosses but no one with the talent in the air on the other end. By the time Fernandez came in the team had lost its energy getting forward.
-Consistently horrible distribution from the backline combined with the too-common tendency to fall asleep.
-Not too many ideas on offense besides Rosales before the subs came in.
Told you so
Dear SAH writer Jeremiah Oshan….
I told you so.
You asked me what what would happen if we lose the next couple of games. Now I can partly express what a horrible loss in a meaningless friendly does the the confidence and moral of the Sounders. How does it feel to be wrong?
Which Sounders miss on offense, or mistake on defense was due to a lack of confidence?
and how precisely did that relate to the Man United match?
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by Dave Clark on Jul 26, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
One game counts as a couple?
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Jul 26, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"You asked me what what would happen if we lose the next couple of games."
It’s been one game.
Also, coming in and posting “I’m right and you’re wrong neener neener” all willy-nilly in the game thread is pretty childish. Why don’t you take it up with Jeremiah personally?
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Jul 26, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Please, get the man-challenging away from this board & site.
There’s a BIG difference between providing constructive criticism and comments, and just plain bashing people.
I understand the point you’re trying to get across, but do it in a different way. Even if someone may or may not be wrong, you could be more humble about it.
2 things
1. Seattle has a bad record of going against international teams. I feel we always seem to under perform against them.
2. That grass was awful. Worse then what we played on against ManUtd. And if that’s what they normally play on they had a huge advantage.
Clearly the Sounders didn't have the confidence
To make the ref call the handball rule correctly.
by CarlosT on Jul 26, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
There is no correlation
Let alone causation.
"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin
by Little old me on Jul 26, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
If the glove does not fit...
you must acquit.
Vos mos audite nos vos. Vos mos vereor nos.
You will hear us. You will fear us.
CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION
AAAHHH
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 26, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
get out of here dude
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
%*@#$%*@%@
I haven’t been that pissed off after a loss in a long, long time. What the hell was that, Sounders? Six days to prepare and THAT’S the effort you give? Freakin’ embarrassing.
And they'll be equally wrong
How about that?
by CarlosT on Jul 26, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You make it sound
like you don’t care that we just lost to a team that is not that good. Instead of arguing with me think about how much it sucks that we have to win with two goals and a shutout or score three or more goals if they score one. Wow what a hater.
by ColinTheMaster on Jul 26, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
How does telling you that you are wrong blaming confidence mean that Carlos doesn't care?
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Sounder At Heart
I've seen this childish sniping behavior on twitter
make a silly claim
“gosh why are you talking to little old me?”
by Will Kier on Jul 26, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's an human thing
People don’t like their bad arguments challenged.
And of course I’m not happy with the result. But that doesn’t change the fact that there’s nothing that suggests the Man U game had anything to do with it.
Wait, what?
"But who would listen to Little Old Me anyway?"
-by -Dave Clark
and -thehemogoblin
by Little old me on Jul 26, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Anyways
If we lose in Houston I’ll be able to fully say I told you so. So let’s just wait until then before getting to heated about this.
by ColinTheMaster on Jul 26, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes well that doesn't make you less wrong
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 26, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
What people are trying to say is
Don’t be such a baby about it. We’re all upset about the loss, but coming into here and saying “told you so” is doing nothing to help, and is mostly childish. In other words, show some class.
by Sounders4life on Jul 26, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This guy!
I like him.
Vos mos audite nos vos. Vos mos vereor nos.
You will hear us. You will fear us.
Does any of you
even remember my last post about this subject? All I said was a terrible 7-0 loss in friendly diminishes the confidence and ability to win games in the very near future. One game down I believe I have the right to say some of the feelings from that game regardless of which half of the team was on the pitch carried over to this game. Frankly, I think with our talent and possession we could have won CCL game by a couple of goals. What was potentially holding us back? Getting demolished in a game that apparently didn’t matter. But to clarify, I didn’t matter to you. It sure mattered to the team tonight.
by ColinTheMaster on Jul 26, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
It was definitely ColinTheMaster's negative attitude that brought down the team tonight
I hope you’re happy, Colin!
you are ridiculous
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Tonight
I was very positive about this game up until the final minute. Then once the loss sank in I realized that sometimes teams are hot and cold. The sounders definitely just went a little further away from the hot territory. Anyone who says that are unbeaten streak is still untouched is an idiot. I’m also much more intelligent about football than you may believe.
by ColinTheMaster on Jul 26, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently you are not intelligent about sample sizes and logical fallacies
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 26, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
huh?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pointing out all of the problems with your argument is classless?
Wow, life is going to be difficult for you.
by Aaron Campeau on Jul 26, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck
this blog. I’d rather be at gosounders or seattlepitch than this shit.
Peace out bitches.
by ColinTheMaster on Jul 26, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
later
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a tragedy from which I'll never recover
Oh, wait. No, I’m fine.
There are some good people at gosounders
So I don’t think you’ll find your “class” their either
by Derek R on Jul 26, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to step onto my high horse if I may....
SFFC are undefeated in their current season. Granted, they’re only two games into their season, but by your logic, they should technically be KILLING the Sounders. Since they’re undefeated, they have to be carrying an enormous amount of momentum into the match, considering the Sounders just lost to Man Utd.
Now, I’m off the high horse.
I understand where you’re coming from. The Sounders DO have a hill to climb. Being down 1-0 after the 1st leg is a concern. I’m worried and sort of freaking out, but there’s another leg. I know that, you know that, and everybody knows that. You do have a right to be frustrated about the result of the match.
But, for everyone’s sake, don’t finger point. Please. I think that’s all anyone is asking.
Colin, no one wants to attack you on here, but you can’t go after the editors and writers. It’s not to say that they’re right all of the time, but you have to back up your argument with facts if you’re going to flat out tell them they’re wrong.
Now, someone needs to get me more alcohol.
Vos mos audite nos vos. Vos mos vereor nos.
You will hear us. You will fear us.
You don’t get to buzz in here and just drop the “I told you so” bomb and think you’re going to not get called out.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree.
If you’re going to call somebody out, at least have facts to prove them wrong. But, there’s no need to be a jerk about it. The " I TOLD YOU SO" stuff reminds me of grade school.
I thought most of us were still at the middle school level.
Vos mos audite nos vos. Vos mos vereor nos.
You will hear us. You will fear us.
This is a perfect example
Of an untestable claim. ColinTheMaster is apparently a master of mind-reading and knows the mental state of the players and that it’s due to the Man U game.
Either that, or he’s talking out of his butt, with no evidence to back anything up. One of the two.
Goddammit.
I laughed my ass off.
Vos mos audite nos vos. Vos mos vereor nos.
You will hear us. You will fear us.
Groundhog Day
How many games of us going down 1-0 in league play only to die does this bring back? We soooo badly need a consistent striker.
by Brougham Hooligan on Jul 26, 2011 7:22 PM PDT reply actions
Consistency isn't the problem
We just need someone better than Levesque to pair with Montero. Levesque does what he does and he’s not a total waste, but one thing he’ll never do is draw defenders to give Montero space.
I like Fucito, but if we’re running out Rosales, Fucito, Montero, Flaco as our front four, then Rosales’ crossing abilities don’t help us so much. That’s one reason having OBW back in the lineup would be nice, as at least he’d be an improvement on Levesque.
by ubelmann on Jul 26, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Levesque..
…is not nearly good enough to be a starter on this team. I have no idea why Sigi loves him as much as he does. He is PAINFUL to watch.
by nicktjacob on Jul 26, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sigi doesn't have an obvious choice here, imo
I like Fucito, but I’ve been really underwhelmed with how he and Montero link up. I don’t think this is all on Fucito, but he has a different game than the target forwards on the team and our tactics need to shift to accommodate that, and the players seemingly haven’t been doing that. And especially against most MLS defenses, Fucito and Montero aren’t going to win many headers in the box, which negates one of Rosales’ biggest strengths.
Levesque was first off tonight, so I think saying that Sigi “loves” him is a bit much. He holds the ball up some and gets the occasional garbage goal off his hustle. Not your ideal starting forward, but in an ideal world, OBW doesn’t get a blood clot and Nkufo is excited to do whatever Sigi wants of him.
And apparently Jaqua hasn’t gotten his touch back, though generally I’d prefer him to Roger. I don’t like seeing Roger out there, but I doubt Sigi likes it either.
Did you know that the only header won in the box tonight
was by Mike Fucito?
No joke. The ONLY header in the box won by a Sounder on offense was the guy who supposedly can’t win them.
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well no, Noonan won a header and nearly scored
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Positioning and timing count for a lot
You have to have decent jumping ability, but this is why some players who you wouldn’t expect to win headers (Fucito) do, and some that you’d expect to win headers (Jaqua) don’t.
Jaqua wins headers in the middle third of the field pretty often...
…especially off Keller punts, but I don’t get the impression he wins them in the offensive third particularly often.
That was a pass
clicking shots, there were three other headers in the box won. Noonan, Alvaro and Neagle
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Sounder At Heart
Come on Dave
I said that Fucito isn’t going to win many headers. One header doesn’t show that Fucito is even league average at winning headers. I know he’s going to win some headers and that he has good jumping ability, but he’s just not a great target for Rosales when Rosales looks to cross in the air.
This game showed our current lack of depth
Imagine if we had Z and OBW out there. As it stands right now, we are way thin up front if FM goes cold. At the very least, we should open up the checkbook and take a good striker on loan for the rest of this season. We have seen our Achilles heel without our two fastest guys out there with the speedy Panamanians.
by Brougham Hooligan on Jul 26, 2011 7:35 PM PDT reply actions
And seattle
is looking for a DP striker its just a matter of finding the right one though.
I don't think we have a lack of depth
I think we have a lack of finishing. We score goals by creating a lot of chances. Had we a better final touch we’d blow every team out of the water.
If some of our players had a better final touch...
…we wouldn’t be able to afford them.
Having
a better forward to partner up with Montero will also be helpful.
I think one of the greatest things about having Nkufo on the team
was that he drew attention away from Montero and helped him get some space
by Derek R on Jul 26, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
at the moment
we have enough cap space for 1 DP and 1 non high salary player.
Irrellevent but interesting stat
Montero is only being beaten in goals scored (6) by 8 players. He is also first in shots (62) and shots on goal (26) and is 7th for assists (5).
The guy is definitely worth his DP money (which I don’t think was ever in question at SaH). If he had a better touch he wouldn’t be in the MLS anymore.
Which is something MLS should seek to address
I know there are teams that are struggling, but if an MLS team is going to win the CCL, there has to be an increase in quality. Either that’s going to be more spending across the board, or a easing of parity rules to allow wealthy teams to spend their cash on better players.
All in due time
I’m okay with mediocrity in CCL for the next 10-15 years if it means we get to keep parity, because right now the name of the game is establishing a broad base of MLS fans throughout the country, not a big following for a handful of superclubs.
The MLS needs to figure this crap out and fast
[post-loss rant coming] Like the Mirror article noted about Vancouver: “The big challenge for men like Barber [Van GM] is working with an salary cap that limits a club’s annual wage bill to $2.8m.” We are the most popular team in the MLS, in three competitions currently, and waiving the MLS flag everywhere (including Adidas commercials), yet we get essentially nothing for this. Allocation money? La-de-frikin-dah. Even $100K extra isn’t going to mean crap here.
Even if we get our crap together and get into group play, we will face the likes of Monterrey, a team estimated to be worth $62.5M (transfermarkt.co.uk) Over 5 times our value. If we are to play in the world pond, we simply need to be a bigger fish.
by Brougham Hooligan on Jul 26, 2011 8:07 PM PDT reply actions
MLS will have to decide
Parity or international competitiveness. We really can’t have both.
If it’s the parity route, then top teams will be anchored to the least profitable teams in the league. If it’s the competitiveness route, then the league will become more stratified as success feeds into success.
lalalalallalala
don’t want to hear it…. we are winning the treble this year.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 26, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think the parity route is the best
It’s what separates the MLS from the rest of the world (not always for the best). Eventually things will start working better. The academies will help develop better players and growth of the league will help convince great athletes that soccer is worth their time.
And the best ones will go to England
Or Spain, or Italy, or France, or Germany, or…
As long as the most popular teams are prevented from spending the money they make, there will be an artificially low standard of player in MLS.
The US has the potential to spend as much as the entire EU in the long run
In the long run, which is what MLS should be focused on, there can be as many great teams in MLS as there are great UEFA Champions League teams. The combined revenues of EPL, Budesliga, La Liga, Serie A, and Ligue 1 are roughly the same as the NFL’s revenue. MLS is quite justified in attempting to develop the broadest possible consumer base by encouraging parity.
Why does anything need to happen fast at this point?
MLS first and foremost needs to do a better job at developing home-grown players. The US has a huge, huge population and a huge, huge GDP. Monterrey can spend more money because Monterrey makes a lot more money at this point. I love the CCL, but let’s be realistic, a CCL title isn’t going to change the team’s or the league’s overall financial situation overnight.
Well, the recap is up if we want to take our ranting and raving there
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