Jurgen Klinsmann Named US National Team Head Coach
While the formal press conference will not be until Monday, the United States Soccer Federation announced today that the replacement for Bob Bradley will be Jurgen Klinsmann. Klinnsman's coaching career has been limited to one stint with the German team, as well as very short time with Bayern Munich. He has also holds an advisory role with Toronto FC helping them set-up their current Aron Winter/Paul Mariner coaching/talent team. USSF President Sunil Gulati says;
"We are excited to have Jürgen as the head coach of our Men’s National Team," said Gulati. "He is a highly accomplished player and coach with the experience and knowledge to advance the program. Jürgen has had success in many different areas of the game and we look forward to the leadership he will provide on and off the field."
Klinsmann jumps straight into the fire with a match against arch-rival Mexico at Lincoln Financial Field in Philly on August 10th. With just a couple weeks in his role it would be stunning to see many changes to personnel. In September he will lead the team against CONCACAF rivals Costa Rica and then Belgium, likely with two different squads.
"I am proud and honored to be named the head coach of the U.S. Men’s National Team," said Klinsmann. "I would like to thank the U.S. Soccer Federation for the opportunity, and I’m excited about the challenge ahead. I am looking forward to bringing the team together for our upcoming match against Mexico and starting on the road toward qualifying for the 2014 FIFA World Cup."
That statement from Klinsmann sums up the issue. His appoint is not about Mexico. It is not about the Gold Cup, or the Olympics. It is about the future. It is about change. And that's also where the questions arise.
Klinsmann quite famously criticized the US Youth -> College -> Pro development system, but did so as the era was shifting to something quite new. Still in its infancy the US development system now has two tracks.
- Youth -> Academy -> Reserve -> Pro
- Youth -> Academy -> College -> Reserve -> Pro
College is not seen as the end goal for American youths, but a step to refine on-field skills, learn non-soccer life skills, get an education and then ideally turn pro. For the greatest, say a Juan Agudelo, they can skip college entirely, but as has been noted before, in a non-collegiate nation Steve Zakuani doesn't become a professional soccer player.
Already there are dozens of MLS players (see table two) who have skipped college entirely after coming through the Academy systems. Klinsmann's desired shift already started, and it did it without him. Are there issues with the Academies still? Absolutely. Not every pro team under the USSF umbrella has one yet (the two levels can be operated for just over 1 Million dollars, though teams like the Seattle Sounders spend much more). They also don't cover enough area. These United States are enormous and players will always be able to slip through the cracks. But the idea that the only path for a player is to have rich parents pay for coaching and watch their children go to college is done.
It is also notable that the youth and Academy system will only supplement talent for the 2014 World Cup. Do we really expect a National Team coach to revamp that system and have a team of 18-21 year olds and succeed? Would he get a second cycle after doing that?
The key to Jurgen Klinsmann's success will be the continued advancement of players in college, on MLS Reserve squads and the diaspora of talent that isn't getting enough playing time in 2nd, 3rd and even lower tier teams around the world. This can't just be change for change's sake, and he will face different challenges than he had in Germany. Will the USA do significantly better at Brazil 2014 due to this hire? Probably not. Ideally this starts a process for a longer window with changes that make differences for Russia 2018.
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Per Grant Wahl, he will get more control than any previous USA coach
Going along with that, I have to believe that barring completely embarrassing results, Klinsmann is going to get two World Cup cycles.
I eagerly anticipate what he does with the U23s and U20s, as I believe both are without coaches right now. What kind of say will he have in that process? I think streamlining his philosophy down the line is going has to be priority number 1.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 29, 2011 9:43 AM PDT reply actions
Yes, the U20s and U23s are presently w/o coaches
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I'm excited he has more control
Klinsmann’s value is more in the ability to revamp development than tactical acumen, IMHO. He has a big job over the next few months. He needs to call up players for the upcoming friendlies, hire assistants and weigh-in on coaching decisions at the U20s and U23s. Probably the most important for on-the-field success is getting good assistants (like Jogi Loew) who can help him.
I’m excited. I don’t know that he’ll make positive changes, I hope he will. But I think a change will do us good. It’s also pretty clear that his influence on the German youth system is paying massive dividends for them. As you mentioned Dave, there are pretty significant differences over here but, hey, it’s worth trying something new for sure. As to the comments that maybe Lowe was the real brains behind the operation, if that is true then clearly Klinsi gets good people to work around him. I’ll take that too.
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No matter what you think of this
the next 3+ years just got a hell of a lot more interesting.
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by 108Ultra on Jul 29, 2011 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Amen to that. I’m also curious to see what happens with baby Bradley. I still think he’s fantastic, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see some issues with him and a new coach. Rumor has it he has a bit of an attitude problem and now he’s not being kept safe by his dad.
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No kidding
Juts when you thought we were going to have a depressing World Cup cycle, USSF goes out and totally redeems itself.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 29, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Still got room for one more to Aspen?
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I expected the Rocky Mountains to be a little rockier...
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 29, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call USSF redeemed yet.
We have no idea how things will look under Klinsmann. I think it will probably be better, but there is no guarantee.
I was talking about going from no excitement
to “holy crap this is a big change what is going to happen”
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 29, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Excitement
I’ve always been a fan of German soccer so this is something i’ve wanted on a personal level for a while.
I haven’t been this excited about the US national team in a while. At least we are trying something new instead of hoping the same old stuff would eventually lead to improvement.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
2 cycles.
I think 2 world cup cycles is almost assured considering the massive revamping Klinsmann has always advocated and the fact he already missed out a large portion of the first cycle.
"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."
by DarthGreedo on Jul 29, 2011 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Is it a ridiculous thought...
…to think that James Riley should get a run out at the RB spot? The US is pretty thin there, and last time I checked, even Brad Evans got a look.
Uh.... no
Cherundolo is excellent at right back, and Timmy Chandler is sniffing down his back.
Riley isn’t even the best RB in the MLS.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed abnout Stevie C., but he needs a back up
He’ll be 34 at the next cup. Also, isn’t Lichaj the LB of the future?
by Kyle Ritter on Jul 29, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Edgar Castillo might work his way back into favor also
I think we’re looking at a clean slate at many positions
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Think Convey gets back into the mix?
Said half tongue-in-cheek
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Lichaj is actually a natural RB
But he’s done so well at LB and he’s worlds better than Bornstein.
Those things, combined with our depth at RB probably means Lichaj is the LB of the future for the USMNT.
And that would be excellent.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
What the USMNT team needs is a LB, by the way
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Let me say this as calmly and as reasonably as possible
James Riley is not a very good player
by Kevin McCauley on Jul 29, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think his resume is nearly as attractive as everyone else does, apparently
He’s had three stints with teams, only one being successful… and that one successful stint continued on without a hiccup with a new coach – arguably getting better – after he left. That said, the successful stint was coaching Germany in a World Cup…. Kind of a big deal.
I look forward to seeing what he can bring to the table. I don’t think Bradley was a bad coach, but I think he had run his course here. It was getting stale and we were regressing from WC’10.
Klinsmann brings new ideas and hope – things this team needs
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I think the greater reason for excitement re: the Germany World Cup run is that he made a bunch of changes to the youth system in the run up to that and those players are showing up now. That’s what excites me the most. The possibility of making some real positive change to the youth system.
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I've always heard him credited with making the German's play less boring also
That would be nice! US tactics have gotten stale and dull.
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by DarthGreedo on Jul 29, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excited about the changes to development
I think I’m most excited about what this means to the U.S. development system. Everyone knows it needs changes, but the USSF has been extremely reluctant to do anything but tinker around the edges. The hope is that Klinsmann held out for enough control to make real changes that can last more than just one World Cup cycle.
A lot of other coaching deficiencies he may have can be remedied by getting good assistants and then delegating to them. That seems to be what he did with the 2006 German team. He definitely has the connections in the US and the world to bring in a very good coaching team. He’s also reported to be a magnetic personality and a natural leader which is important. So, I’m cautiously optimistic that he can be a good on-field coach for us.
Couple of questions
1) all the discussion I’ve seen regarding Klinsmann’s skill developing youth has all been from commenters on forums and blogs. Is there any article or anything that discusses what he did for the German youth system? (i.e. what did he implement, exactly? What about what he does is good?) Just want to make sure this isn’t internet hearsay running amok.
2) If Gulati finally relents and lets Klinsmann revamp the entire US soccer system, I have to ask: what was Gulati hanging on to by not letting Klinsmann have that control before? Was our old system really that bad? (rhetorical) If so, why was Gulati so intent on not allowing it to change twice before?
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Good questions
1) The German system was significantly revamped during the tenure and after the tenure of Klinsmann. The key components were national talent centers for 10-17 year olds that focused on skill development rather than endless games (like the US) and making sure each team in the first and second divisions of the Bundesliga had academies for young players. The academies are particularly interesting to me since the MLS is moving in this direction and its still early enough for Klinsmann to make sure that they are connected and feed into development for the U-20, U-23 and USMNT.
How much of this was Klinsmann? I honestly don’t know. But he’s been widely credited with getting Germany moving in the right direction. Here’s a link discussing some of the changes.
2) It’s too early to tell how much control USSF has given up. But there’s a lot to change. The first being the play-to-pay model that doesn’t really do a good job of discovering talent from families of limited means. Second, is the American focus of continuous games over developing strong skills and soccer awareness. I personally think the USSF has been reluctant to change due to both institutional resistance found in most organizations and that there are financial ties between the USSF and the pay-to-play model.
by Dizzo on Jul 29, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
TFC has also made some announcements this year about revamping their academies
Which is presumably coming on Klinsmann’s advice, though Winter is probably on the same page, having been hired after Klinsmann (IIRC).
You mean
traveling select teams comprised entirely of upper-middle class whites isn’t the way to develop a World Cup contending roster?
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by 108Ultra on Jul 29, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Exactly
We need to expand the opportunities to families of limited means. It’s not only smart player development, it’s also the right thing to do. Some of the best players to come out of the MLS academies so far have been from families who could never afford to be on a select team (Najar comes immediately to mind).
The MLS academies are great, but they cover only a small part of the country. I’m hoping Klinsmann can figure out a way to get opportunities out to the places MLS doesn’t have a presence. Maybe that’s support for division 2 academy teams or some kind of national center system. It will be interesting to see what kind of ideas he comes up with.
Klinsmann should ask Deuce for some advice
Seriously. No one had a harder road to climb than Dempsey did. Klinsmann would be wise to poll those that had to come the hard way: what would have been most helpful to you, growing up?
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's all about the demand
Those who wanted to play soccer in my youth—growing up in Strikers’ territory—were viewed as those who could not play American football. That really has not changed that much yet nationwide. Klinsmann cannot change the America sports psyche and get our best athletes focusing on soccer.
However, the biggest change I have seen now is that the absolute moral gutter that the NFL, NBA, and MLB (you are not going to purge McGwire’s or Bonds’ records, really?) is causing parents to shy away from those sports. While soccer has its moral issues too, e.g. Giggs, Rooney, etc., the EPL’s violent felony assaults typically are caused by the fans, not the players. I absolutely will allow my kids to role model almost any soccer player, before thugs in the NFL and NBA. http://www.signonsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/ [rant over]
by Brougham Hooligan on Jul 29, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget concussions
With what we know now about the dangers of frequent minor concussions at all levels of American football (even high school) parents would be crazy to let their kids play.
Also, there is a strong soccer culture in the US among the mostly immigrant communities (particularly the Latino communities). The disconnect is that these communities don’t have the funds to develop their best players. And until very recently, there was no avenues for them to access good coaches and facilities.
by Dizzo on Jul 29, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
About concussions...
I love Twellman to death, and I do think it’s a serious issue, but….
I’m just curious as to how raising awareness helps? Like breast cancer, I don’t see awareness (per se) as being the real issue.
You think Terry Boss is aware of concussions? Players will want to play, coaches will want their players to play, and players aren’t going to start avoiding headers. Is everyone supposed to wear helmets?
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Raising awareness puts a spotlight on teams, coaches, and trainers that allow a player to play despite the science showing they shouldn’t. It’s also the case that sports generally do a piss-poor job of dealing with a concussion in the moment. Making systemic changes to the way the league handles the issue would make a major difference and part of that is shining a light on it. Twellman is in a fantastic position to do that.
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I get all that; just don't see how it works
At the end of the day, players still want to play and coaches still want to win. I don’t see that changing when stakes are on the line. You have to dig very deep to change the ethos of admitting you shouldn’t play and telling your coach – but at the basic human level of competitive nature, I don’t know that it’s that easy.
Ultimately it comes down to the player to be honest with himself and his coaches – I think that’s the underlying problem. Look at Terry Boss for a perfect example.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Again, I agree with the problem being heavily on the player side of things, but players would try and play with all manner of injuries and we rely on the teams to stop them from doing so. There is a system out there somewhere that can start to lessen the impact of that problem. I’m uncertain how avoiding it could possibly be a better solution. If there were independent neurologists, who worked for the league, and who tested any player suspected of suffering a concussion that might help. Especially if there were hefty penalties against players and teams that allow a player to play in that situation. This is not an issue that should be ignored.
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Awareness is key in soccer
Concussions happen in soccer and teams and players need to be aware of it. I think there also needs to be better monitoring of players and rules to ensure they’re pulled and rested if they get symptoms. It shouldn’t all be on Boss to pull himself out. The medical staff and the ref needs to be empowered to stop the game after a head injury and ensure he’s checked for concussion symptoms.
There’s a huge difference between American football and soccer. Some of the latest medical literature shows that continuous mild concussions are occurring systematically across all levels of the game with long-term impacts for even players who never play past high school. Ones a manageable problem. The other is not.
I have heard it phrased
that soccer is a “contact sport” while American football is a “collision sport.”
by Brougham Hooligan on Jul 29, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Mild concussions are almost indetectable by training staff though
Those are the ones the players have to be honest about
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
there can be warning signs
one of my best friends had no idea she had a concussion until our trainer pulled her over (he pulled her over because she was acting strange) and thats how they found out she suffered a serious one
That's not a mild concussion
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 30, 2011 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions
There are definitely some concrete things that can be done
I forget the name of the player, but in a recent World Football Challenge (or whatever that thing is called) match, a Man City player got off the pitch after a fall and then stumbled around, 1000% obviously concussed, but he was kept in to finish the half. That’s the sort of thing thing—obvious concussion symptoms present—where a coach and training staff ought to know enough to take the player out no matter how much he might complain. Any blow to the head coming soon after a concussion is a severe risk to your health, and a hard blow to your head after a concussion could kill you.
I agree there’s no way you’re going to completely subtract machismo and the will to win from the equation, but there are still a lot of obvious cases out there which can and should be dealt with better.
My high school had a football, baseball, and basketball team
But no soccer. If I wanted to play soccer I had to find a local city league, even at the high school level.
I realize not every school doesn’t have a soccer team, but perhaps that is something worth looking at?
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm skeptical that USSF has the financial resources to really scout the whole country
How does, say, MLB find its talent? There’s certainly no national team out there doing the work for them. Starting from the top, they’ve got 30 teams which send scouts out to HS, College, and Junior College games all over the country. Then they draft boatloads of those players and send them to a minor league system with at least six different levels. Each of those teams also has its own scouts to sign players that the major league affiliate doesn’t sign. And the players who get overlooked as high schoolers can go to college or junior college to play there, giving teams another shot at discovering them then.
Using a FIFA-style classification scheme, MLB has 30 Division 1 teams (MLB), 30 Division 2 teams (AAA), 30 Division 3 teams (AA), 30 Division 4 teams (Advanced A), 30 Division 5 teams (A), 22 Division 6 teams (Short-season A), and 30+ Division 7 teams (Short-season Rookie). But it’s not cheap to run 200+ professional baseball teams and the whole system is currently propped up on $7B+ in revenues. More to my point, the system isn’t run by a national association, it’s run by 30 different organizations, each scouring the country for anyone who has a whisper of a chance at being great or even serviceable.
What the USMNT could really use is about 10 more MLS teams (which comes with 10 more reserve sides), 22 more NASL teams, 18 more USL Pro teams, at least for starters. But the USSF can’t fund that, Klinsmann isn’t going to change that, and it’s not going to happen over night. Really the best thing that could happen to the USMNT is for MLS to get bigger, better, and start throwing some money at Div. 2/3 teams.
(Somewhat tangentially, with that many more teams, you need that many more officials, which means that much more training for refs, which ought to produce better refs. There are so few games between the MLS and PDL level that I think there are a lot of refs who just don’t get much opportunity to develop their skills in a gradual way before getting thrown to the wolves in MLS.)
by ubelmann on Jul 29, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
MLB is also currently seeing a trend
of fewer and fewer Americans in the Majors.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 29, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Because teams have so much money that they can set up academies in different countries
And scout players all over. MLS is trying to do both at the same time and needs a lot more funding before they’re going to be really good at it.
The other part of it
is that they aren’t setting up academies inside our country. The direction baseball is going, that is the next logical step.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 29, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Since this is way OT
I will leave it at that.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 29, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
You're forgetting the role that colleges play in finding these talents too.
There are a lot of players who go undrafted out of high school and then three years later go very high. Take Evan Longoria, for example.
That same college system easily applies to soccer as well. There are ~100 schools competitively recruiting players who are falling through the cracks now. They get their time to shine in the NCAA and if they develop, they too join the player pool.
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by thehemogoblin on Jul 29, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't forget that at all
And the players who get overlooked as high schoolers can go to college or junior college to play there, giving teams another shot at discovering them then.
Sorry. I missed the one sentence it was in. my bad.
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by thehemogoblin on Jul 29, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the reply & link
I have to wonder about the youth development though – especially on the academy discussion.
Isn’t the primary reason that every MLS team doesn’t have an academy due to lack of money? If that’s the case, what is Klinsmann going to change that would make running academies financially possible for teams like Columbus and Dallas? I love the idea, just seeing problems with money. I guess even more to that point is how much control is Klinsmann going to have over MLS teams as the USMNT coach? Or am I blurring lines here between what he’s done at different posts before? Maybe I’m confused…
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, finances are a challenge
But there still could be ways for Klinsmann can make a difference. First, its my understanding that every MLS team is required to have an academy team. I believe some teams, like Philly, have instituted a bit of a rules dodge by partnering with existing youth teams.
Klinsmann can work with MLS to start getting the laggards to actually start following the rules there. I think they can afford it. They choose not to. The more difficult nut is getting academies in the 2nd division or in areas that aren’t MLS markets. Perhaps a national center system or some kind of scholarship system might work. Depending on the funds available from USSF.
At this point I’m mostly speculating. I have know idea what exactly he’s going to do. But I’m excited to see him try. No guarantees he’s going to be successful…
Too bad Klinsmann can't sign 30,000 scouts
To hit up every kids’ little league soccer games around the country on Saturdays…
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Good players seem to flock to good teams
One big problem is a lot of good players can’t afford to play on the “good” teams due to the high costs involved.
Growing up, My peers and I knew who the best teams in the area were, but we also knew we couldn’t afford playing for them. If we lower the cost of entry we grow the player pool significantly.
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by DarthGreedo on Jul 29, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
So maybe they should scan the lower-income leagues
I’m not being sarcastic either. Dempsey said his folks used to drive him 3 hours to his games. That’s commitment. But that also highlights the problems with youth soccer.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Can anyone point to any kind of tactical preference that Klinsmann has shown?
I’m curious if he has a preferred formation/system that he’s run previously or if he is adaptable to the talent on hand.
From Grant Wahl (2010 Interview)
From Klinsmann: “My philosophy is an attacking style of football.” I need to figure out what that means formation wise. A 4-3-3 maybe? I can’t remember what the German team used in 2006.
Kind of hard to tell
what “attacking style” means until we see a few games. It could mean a 4-3-3, or not having the central mids lie so deep like Bradley tended to do, or something else entirely.
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I seem to remember a 4-4-2
Ballack and Frings in the center mid, Klose and Podolski as the 2 forwards. Very aggresive counter attack.
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by DarthGreedo on Jul 29, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Poldi played more of a high left wing than a striker
And Lahm played way up the line on the left (not the right, interestingly). It was essentially a 3-4-3
by Kyle Ritter on Jul 29, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
but they could get away with it...
….with Frings, Ballack and Schweini patrolling in the mid. You may see attacking players playing high and outside with Edu-Bradley-Jones in the middle in a similar fashion.
by Kyle Ritter on Jul 29, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
He does keep saying "Total Football"
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Offensive orientation
He has a reputation for a very aggressive attacking style, to the point where his chief criticism as national team coach in Germany was ignoring defense. I would be surprised if he selects the team to a formation, rather than the other way around… but expect it to be getting people forward in a hurry.
He once said that everyone but the keeper should be attacking.
by Derek Young on Jul 29, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Twellman speculating that Klinsmann will try and bring in Sigi
http://twitter.com/#!/TaylorTwellman/status/96988279055982592
based on their history together. Personally, I can’t see Sigi relegated to an assistant role, even for the USMNT.
here is what the quote says
“I played for Sigi Schmid on ’99 U20 team and Juergen was brought in to work with FWDS. I would be shocked if Juergen does NOT call Sigi!”
Twellman is probably right that Klinsmann will call Sigi
Sure, Sigi’s not going to accept, but it would make sense for Klinsmann to give him a call.
Klinsmann needs to pick Sigi's brain
I hope the call is more about putting together a kitchen table cabinet of the best US soccer minds to generate ideas and promulgate changes at all levels of the game.
by look4wrd on Jul 29, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sigi and Klinsmann are good friends
But I find it hard to imagine that Sigi would come in as an assistant after signing a five year extension with Seattle. He has a good squad, wonderful facilities and great support from the front office. I’m sure Klinsmann will call him. But I imagine it will be for advice on players and assistants.
That, plus Sigi probably wants to finish his project here
He didn’t leave Columbus until he had a cup. He also came here because we gave him everything he wants.
He really has no reason to leave. Moving to the Nats as an assistant is no more a guarantee that you’ll be next in line for the head USMNT job any more than being very successful in the MLS for the next 3 years would.
I think he’ll want to see this through. I also think that he probably feels this group of players as more his “kids” than any previous squad since college.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
He'll try
But Sigi won’t take it. He’d see it as a demotion I’m guessing. But I would have been shocked if Sigi would turn down a shot at head coach had he been called.
by Derek Young on Jul 29, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
This
doesn’t sound like a guy looking to take an assistant role:
"I thought I’d be Alex Ferguson wherever I went and I’d be there forever. It didn’t work out that way with the Galaxy and it didn’t work out that way in Columbus," Schmid said. "Maybe this is the place at the end of the day."
"I’m in a wonderful place. The city is fantastic. The support is fantastic. I enjoy living here and hopefully we can have many more good seasons ahead of us and many more championships ahead of us."
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by 108Ultra on Jul 29, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sigi would be nuts to leave
Seattle seriously has to be THE most attractive coaching job in the MLS. You have an ownership group that cares and isn’t afraid to spend money – but they also know when to let you run your ship. You have the largest fan-base in the country and top-notch facilities. You have the largest active supporter group chanting your name every match. You’re an icon amongst the soccer cognoscenti in the city. You’re getting paid very well; most likely one of the best-paid coaches in the MLS.
Why would you want to leave?
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Little old me on Jul 29, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Mixed feelings at best
I don’t get the U.S. fascination with Klinsmann. He led Germany to a 3rd place World Cup finish IN GERMANY, then after one season at Bayern he’s basically unhirable in the country.
I was hoping it’d be Biesla (sp?) the guy who coached Chile last year. But there’s no doubt something different was needed, the USMNT was clearly stuck in a rut, so maybe this will be the right move. I’m curious to see what changes in the player pool are made, that’s for sure.
It's not just the results of those two jobs
It’s the youth development. The incredible youth team and young first team that Germany rolls out every match has a lot to do with Klinsmann’s philsophy which he implemented while at the helm.
by Kyle Ritter on Jul 29, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Germany also has better talent
It’s easier to look impressive for youth development when your country has a great pipeline of talent already in place.
It will be tougher for him to replicate that success here. Let’s see what steps he takes to improve our youth system. I’m optimistic, but cautiously so.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
They had better players, but talent is a tricky word to throw around
I think largely the Germans had more refined and processed talent, because the game is more pervasive in the country and coaching is bound to be better at lower levels and it’s played by more kids growing up, but the US has four times as many people as Germany. There’s plenty of talent here, it’s just a matter of converting that talent into good soccer players. Any sort of impact he has on the youth system isn’t going to pay big dividends this cycle, but it could in the long run. (Of course, I’m of the mind that pay-to-play was on its way out without him, but maybe he can speed things along a bit.)
Correct, and 100% agreed.
Point being we don’t have that here, so Klinsmann will have a tougher road ahead.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
The United States has talent
Most just don’t know it yet because it never makes its way to the top.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 29, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Talent maybe not the best word
Creativity? An artist?
We don’t have that player that has the beautiful game, and I think it goes to what some (forgive me if I can’t remember who) have said – that it starts with coaching at the youth level.
Damn, really wish I can remember who made this excellent point, but he said kids are instructed too early on assignments, where to be, what to do – that it almost teaches them roboticly how to play. It takes the creativity out of the equation. This same person said let the kids play ball on their own – just give them zoning assignments. Save the technical teachings until they are a bit older.
Hey, maybe this is what we can expect to see from Klinsmann (on some level)
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Part of it I think has nothing to do with a formal system that anyone can institute
Most kids growing up who learn how to play baseball or softball learn first from their parents and then from their coaches. Some major league baseball players still call their dad up to ask about how their swing and for other various advice. Only so much can be taught by coaches in a formal setting. At some point, you need parents who can instruct their kids, but a lot of parents now don’t have the kind of knowledge about soccer which they have about other sports. And that’s the sort of thing that is literally going to take a couple generations to change.
by ubelmann on Jul 29, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Think I disagree with you on this one
Parents are for emotional support; I don’t think they’re doing a whole lot of coaching, especially if they don’t play the sport or never have (which is like 98% of the other parents in my kid’s youth soccer league).
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Soccer parents
A lot of soccer parents may be there more for moral support because they weren’t playing youth soccer when they grew up. Whereas with football and baseball they likely did play those sports growing up so they can give additional practice and coaching at home for those sports they played. This will be a changing trend for soccer though as more and more parents will have had experience in youth soccer and can provide that help for their kids move forward.
It all stems from the cliche of ‘playing catch with dad’ just because that’s what the Dad is used to. I know when I have children it will be ‘playing pass with dad’ instead and I will be able to coach/mentor/help their development more than a lot of parents who didn’t play can today.
I don't think you disagree that much
What I’m saying is that right now, not many parents of youth teams have actually played. But if you look at the coaches of youth baseball teams, there’s nothing particularly impressive about most of their resumes, especially, say, at a U10 level, they are just someone’s parents. The difference being that right now there are a lot more parents who played baseball growing up than there are parents who played soccer growing up.
Eventually, as today’s youth players become parents, they can pass along lessons that they learned growing up to their children so that they become aware of basic concepts at a younger age. After all, we’re talking about sports here, not rocket science. Obviously once the players get old enough, having more seasoned coaches makes a difference, but having parents who can tell their 8-year-old a little more than “go play your hardest” can make a difference, too.
Ah, I think I misunderstood you. On-board now.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
As parent of 4, it's all about the kid
3 of mine play soccer, and how well they do is completely up to them. It’s not the size of the dog in the fight….
The biggest difference now is that when I grew up, I got to see NASL fold, the US not make the world cup (until ‘90) and soccer generally eschewed in the US.
Now, my kids yell at Beckham and Donovan from Sec 133, watch US players in the EPL every weekend on Fox Soccer, and ask how Klinsmann will change the US men’s team. We have come so far.
by Brougham Hooligan on Jul 29, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
That's actually a really good point, too
Having more soccer to watch in person and on TV can make a difference. While pro sports players don’t necessarily make good role models for your personal life, they are good for illustrating how the game is played. If you watch, say, the Little League World Series, it’s astounding to see the similarities in body language between the kids and professional baseball players.
by ubelmann on Jul 29, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Parents are NOT coaching ?
Who do you think are ?
Until the “pay to play” kicks in, that is exactly who is coaching their kids and everyone elses.
Bradley is starting for Coach Bradley on every soccer, baseball, football field every weekend…until soccer decides that a just out of college soccer player could coach the kids better for $1500.
This is where the similarities to basketball come to mind
How many guys in the NBA do you think learned their elite skills from a coach in a camp or AAU team? How many of them learned playing pick up ball throughout their youths and then were improved by coaches in the AAU high school level?
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by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 29, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Hiddink would have been a good option as well
I think we all knew who Gulati wanted, though. That was all that mattered for US Soccer, apparently.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Just had an idea
Gulati never filled the U-20 and U-23 positions after firing those coaches; one of which was over a month ago, wasn’t it? Notice those positions were never filled, nor did there even seem to be discussion about who was next?
Perhaps the wheels were in motion for this awhile back? Naming coaches for the U-teams might have been one of Klinsmann’s demands, so when the timing was right Gulati let them go and left them vacant for Klinsmann to pick his guys?
Shot in the dark, but makes sense.
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Maybe
But long gaps between U20/U23 coaches haven’t been uncommon. USSFs philosophy has been only pay a coach when there is a competition coming up. Believe it or not, that notion held sway until the 1990s with the SENIOR team. Another thing for Klinsmann to scrutinize.
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I think you're right
Gulati basically said they waited to avoid WWC and ASG. With Jurg’s focus on youth development, I’m sure he wanted to have a hand in the selections.
by Derek Young on Jul 29, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
i hope we dont loose sigi but...
the prospect of “two germans, one cup” is exhilirating.
by fuzzyforeigner on Jul 29, 2011 10:22 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Maybe when he calls Sigi, Sigi says no and introduces Schmetzer.
Joke still works!
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by DarthGreedo on Jul 29, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Zombie Jaqua dropped another gem today
“Michael Bradley submits forms to change name to Michael Klinsmann”
Hah!
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I doubt Michael has anything to worry about.
He has played really well at that level.
Watching the Germans defend is an amazing sight. My jaw dropped last summer watching them.
They are so unbelievably organized. Everyone is working hard and everyone is involved in this aspect of the game. I’d love to see this start to spread to US soccer. We just seem to take too many risks on D.
Just saw a comment above that he was unpopular because he was ignoring defense.
It will be interesting to see if what Germans consider poor defense is better than the defense we have been running.
Watching Germany in 2010 all i could think was they had "Don't Panic!!" ingrained into their brains
Defenders always appeared calm in and around the box. Made calm passes to escape danger even deep in the final third. Forwards never seemed to rush the shot and passed their final shot into the net.
That was until they met Spain…
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by DarthGreedo on Jul 29, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Umm.... they're Germans ;)
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
On a slightly different (but related) topic
anyone want to speculate on how long until either Vancouver or Chicago annouce Bradley as their next coach?
Bradley might want to go to Europe
But there’s no real openings for him. If he decides he doesn’t want to wait for some Euro spots to open up my guess is he’ll sign with Chicago within the next couple of weeks. Otherwise we won’t see anything until the winter when Euro teams begin firing under performing coaches.
I think you're right
I bet he’ll probably try to feel out whether it’s realistic for him to get a gig overseas, and if nothing happens by this winter, I’m sure there will be an MLS team willing to take him.
It would make sense
But I could also see Bradley taking some time off, then exploring options in Europe later. He has said he’d like to try his hand at Europe.
The only reason he’d take a MLS job is if he needed work. I think he can do better.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that's entirely up to Bradley
USSF owes him about 1.5 million to buy out his remaining contract, so money’s not an issue. If I was him I’d head for a tropical island somewhere, grow a beard, drink a fair quantity of rum and ponder my next move for a few months. But Bob’s always seemed a bit rigid and driven, so he’ll probably end up with a MLS job in short order.
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by 108Ultra on Jul 29, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Small Euro country?
If I was a small and relatively under-talented country trying to qualify for Euro 2012, if I was going to sack my coach anyway I might give Bob a go. He’s definitely adept at improving the fitness and mental toughness of a team, and getting a lot out of a mediocre talent pool.
I guess the same is true for a mid-tier club in Germany or wherever, but I could see a Lithuania-type country handing Bob the reins, if he’s interested in living there
by wannascribble on Jul 29, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm not so sure US managing is quite respected enough across the atlantic, yet
by Kyle Ritter on Jul 29, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I would hope FA's think on a higher level than we do
From the aspect of getting the most out of what you’re given, Bob did a tremendous job. To a country that doesn’t have the talent to stand toe-to-toe with some of the big dogs in world soccer, Bradley might seem an attractive option.
That said, I’d rather see him coach a team in a Euro league rather than another national team somewhere.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Tweed Thornton on Jul 29, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder how Klinsmann's playing days as a forward will affect the team
This is probably the part I look forward to the most. Not only is he an attack-minded coach, but he also used to play as a striker.
You’d have to think he’ll have a lot of great wisdom to impart on our young forwards. Obviously that wasn’t Bradley’s strong suit.
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 29, 2011 12:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to create chances, not just counter attack all the time
We have to emerge from the bunker and counter stage. We were basically embarrassed in any game we were forced to carry the game during WC 2010. We needed more then a lid around Tim Howard and hope they get tired if we are going to emerge from the shadows of the sport.
I think that is what everyone is hoping Klinsmann can bring to the side.
by blakec on Jul 29, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ironic because that isn't what he's really known for
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by ABTsportsline on Jul 30, 2011 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't planning on watching the game vs Mexico in a few weeks.
Now I’ll try to watch it.
One, or maybe two misconception about Klinsmann
There are two different opinion on Klinsmann’s role during World Cup 2006. Some people think Klinsmann is the one responsible for progress of German national team after disaster in EURO 2004 while the other think Low was the one pulling strings in that management crew, which maybe explains a seamless transition when he took over the national team. A lot of German coaches and people associated with soccer believe Low was the main reason for German’s success, and they point out that Klinsmann did not succeed without Low at Bayern, which is a kind of similar to Brian Clough’s episode with Leeds without Peter Taylor. I am not sure who is correct, but I also think that his episode with Bayern should not be compared to his tenure as the national team coach These are two completely different jobs.
German FA revamped its youth system in 1999/2000 when they decided to present a new concept for producing young German talent. There were two key points in this plan. They were to build more than 100 national talent centers all over Germany, and the centers’ primary goals was to help 10- to 16 -year-olds with technical practice. The second key was a requirement for all 36 professional clubs in the first two divisions to build youth academies. The plan was put in the place after Germany was awarded World Cup 2006 in 2000, so there is no way that Klinsmann deserves credit for revamping youth system in Germany. He became their coach in 2004, so it would be really hard to overhaul the whole system in a such short time.
One thing that could work well for Klinsmann is that he will have a lot of time to prepare and get to know the players, which is similar to Germany’s situation before the world cup. Germany was playing mainly friendlies as they automatically qualified for World Cup 2006, so there was not a lot of pressure. The US will play qualifiers, but majority of these qualifiers could be used for tryout of new players and findings best 11, as well as adopting new style of play if Klinsmann implements one. I am not downplaying the importance of these qualifiers, but I think the US would qualify for World Cup even if one us is coaching the national team.
Seeing a lot of caution out there lately
A lot of it founded, too. Can’t disagree with anything you wrote.
This article goes on about the same kind of thing: http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2011/7/28/2301528/bob-bradley-fired-usa-jurgen-klinsmann-coach-usmnt-soccer
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