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LA Galaxy Vs. Seattle Sounders: Well, A Tie Is Better Than A Loss, Right?

CARSON, CA - JULY 04:  Fredy Montero #7 of the Seattle Sounders and A.J. DeLaGarza 20 of the Los Angeles Galaxy vie for the high ball in the first half during their MLS match at The Home Depot Center on July 4, 2011 in Carson, California.  (Photo by Victor Decolongon/Getty Images)

A tie on the road against the best team in the league should feel satisfactory. But facing a third-string goalkeeper, drawing a penalty and generally outplaying the Los Angeles Galaxy for much of the match, the Seattle Sounders 0-0 tie does not feel as satisfying as it probably should.

The big reason for that is probably Fredy Montero's failed penalty. Give him credit for putting it on frame, I guess, but that seemed to be his only thought. He went left, but only barely. Brian Perk guessed right and was able to easily save it. 

On the whole, the Galaxy probably had the better chances, but the Sounders seemed to control possession and flow for much of the match. They didn't create a whole lot of great chances, though, and Perk was rarely tested beyond his penalty save.

The Sounders did dodge a couple of bullets, most notably a shot from Juan Pablo Angel that hit the frame, but the Galaxy seemed to very much be a team that was ripe for the beating. Besides being forced to play a goalkeeper who had never played in a MLS match, they were without midfielder David Beckham for much of the match and lost starting right back AJ DeLaGarza in the 24th minute with an apparent concussion.

It's hard to shake the feeling this could have turned out better. From about the 75th minute on, the Sounders seemed more content with a tie than they needed to be. The attack slowed noticeably and the sense that this team would be content with a tie rose considerably.

It would be a mistake though, to ignore the positives. The point was the best MLS result against the Galaxy since 2009. The Sounders had entered the contest riding five-match losing streak -- including playoffs -- against the Galaxy and this was at least a step forward. It was also the Sounders seventh straight match without a loss. With 20 matches now in the books, the Sounders find themselves four points behind the Galaxy and claiming the third highest point total in the league. In their last 34 regular season matches, the Sounders are 18-6-10. Maybe it's a good thing that we're now disappointed with a tie like this.

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Credit both defenses

LA did a great job keeping Perk protected. And the best strikes the Sounders had were cut down before getting to him.

Really pleased with the way the Sounders fought off the counter. Only two moments I thought LA really got a quality chance. So that was good to see.

If the defense can frustrate Portland next week, it should (-should-) be better goings up top.

by jayw913 on Jul 4, 2011 11:33 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Several game thoughts having gotten back...

-could we please not ride a rather lucky brace from Levesque into the proverbial ground the way we did with Nyassi’s “hot” streak?

-Missed in the last couple weeks and Rosales’ emergence in a key role has been Friberg’s resurgence. He’s still among the more effective attacking passers through the middle of the field, has cut down on the giveaways and his defensive efforts tend to be underrated.

-For how much space he was given Evans did very little with his time.

-Not outstanding service, but all-around one of Riley’s more solid performances.

-Second straight year driving home from a game with L.A. Freeway drivers busy watching fireworks. Forget the grandeur, bring the Sounders down some other day of the summer next time!

by nimajneb on Jul 4, 2011 11:40 PM PDT reply actions  

one other thought...

L.A. supporters group singing “you’re just a suburb of Portland” was amusing… particularly from a team that plays in Carson.

by nimajneb on Jul 5, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

the people in my section (135) were trying to start the wave...

…and complaining that the Seattle fans wouldn’t help. So there’s that.

by jayw913 on Jul 5, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

having been in 136

we weren’t ;-)

Although, trying to start the wave through the supporters section was pretty silly- they’ve got their own cheers to worry about.

by nimajneb on Jul 5, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

well

if you had asked me yesterday if I would take a draw tonight i would’ve said “yes” without hesitation. as to how it actually happened… well. Just like when L.A. visited in march we controlled the first half and took away nothing to show for it (didn’t see much of the second half as I was allegedly trying to host a 4th get-together) Zero goals in 180’ against LA this year kinda sucks. But if you had asked me yesterday…

we are 4th on PPM at 1.6. Those of you mathematically inclined will realize that is the same pace as 48 points through 30 matches, which is a familiar number. Yes, we play 34 this year, but I’m sure you understand the larger point… All 3 teams ahead of us on PPM are Westeren Conference teams, so I would like to once again extend a hearty middle finger to the MLS and their naive Conference system despite League-wide balanced schedules…

What makes our month is beating the scum and making sure we get 3 against the CRapids at home. With this point in the bag, things are looking really good if we can accomplish that. And its not just about our point, but those we kept away from L.A. as well…

...and you will hear us scream

by malcontentjake on Jul 5, 2011 12:28 AM PDT reply actions  

Getting a wildcard spot actually wouldn't be terrible, IMHO

The lower seeded of the wildcard teams that advance will play the SS winner in the playoffs, and we’re almost certainly going to be the highest WC spot if we get there. That means that we get seeded into a much easier Eastern conference bracket if we win our WC game. If we get 4th place overall, our path to the cup, assuming higher seed wins, our WC draw looks something like Colorado (home) → Philadelphia (home and away) → Columbus (away) → Dallas (MLS Cup). That’s actually probably an easier schedule than our third or second place in the west draw, which looks like: LA (home and away) → Dallas (away) → Philadelphia (MLS Cup).

Of course, if we can make it all the way to the shield, things look a whole lot easier. In that case, we’re looking at San Jose (home and away) → Dallas (home) → Philadelphia (MLS Cup)

by Tohoya on Jul 5, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

the very fact we have this conversation demonstartes how utterly senseless the system is

so, like last year, teams can directly benefit from a lower finish…

MLS FAIL!
>:-(

...and you will hear us scream

by malcontentjake on Jul 5, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the playoff systems of many other leagues

would look odd in light of such a huge talent disparity between the conferences. The only reason why this is an issue is that the top 4 teams in the league are in one conference.

Why MLS didn’t take the temporary realignment as an opportunity to balance the conferences a bit and put Dallas instead of Houston in the east, I have no idea.

by Tohoya on Jul 5, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Because attempting to balance it based on quality of play is a terrible idea

Results vary greatly from year to year. Attempting to predictively groups team based on perceived strength is an exercise in futility. Things may be very different next year.

Also, if NYC is team #20, Houston’s stay in the east will be very short… or we’ll see a wholesale realignment. Either way, the 2011/2012 alignment is temporary.

by LordIceman on Jul 5, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Of course this alignment is temporary, and that's exactly what makes Dallas over Houston a good move.

Whoever moved East for this season, Dallas or Houston, will be back in the West once Montreal joins the league, if for no other reason than that they wouldn’t split such natural rivals into two separate conferences on a permanent basis, particularly with the imminent demise of the balanced schedule.

In most circumstances, balancing divisional structure based on competitiveness is a terrible idea because, as you say, fortunes vary a lot. But these are pretty unusual circumstances. There’s no geographical or rivalry based reason to prefer either Houston or Dallas to the East. You could just flip a coin and figure which one makes more sense, but given that the move is only for a single year and the manifest problem of parity between the conferences, making the move based on what’s most likely to temporarily balance the conferences until they move to a less unusual power distribution seems like an intelligent move to me.

by Tohoya on Jul 5, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assume Montero is back in Sigi's doghouse....

I bet we see Fucito and Levesque starting up front against the Cinders.

by regnaD kciN on Jul 5, 2011 3:45 AM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn't assume that at all

Montero wasn’t in the 18 against NE & Kitsap b/c he was resting a hamstring strain. It seems reasonable to conclude that he came out of the game mostly as precaution against further injury.

by LordIceman on Jul 5, 2011 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

from post-game quotes

(Did the quad keep Montero from going 90 or was that a tactical sub?) “I thought he had obviously done some work. We wanted to get a little bit of energy on the field with Brad. We felt that was the time-point to do it.”

Doesn’t give a lot of detail, but doesn’t quite call him out.

by Travis_Mc on Jul 5, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

energy

the “wanted to get a little bit of energy on the field” could be taken as a slight. I’m not sure it was, but Sigi didn’t exactly say he took Montero out because of the injury either. When you take your DP off the field in the 60th minute of a tie game, injury/fitness should be the reason.

by Travis_Mc on Jul 5, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Usually an injury

takes a lot of energy out of you. Taking that as a slight on Montero is reading a lot into a little.

by agtk on Jul 5, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sigi doesn't tend to mince words

I think if he was calling Fredy out, he would have done it in a pretty clear way.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 5, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Such as
Schmid said Montero was the No. 1 PK taker with Evans out. “Making PKs in big games, he’s got to do it.”

That was a piss-poor PK effort, on a freaking 3rd-string replacement keeper no less.

by lemonverbena on Jul 5, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's a direct echo of his "he's got to score" comment...

…made just before benching him for several games. I expect the same to follow this time, except probably for longer.

by regnaD kciN on Jul 5, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

i do not expect that...

Guess we’ll see.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 5, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sigi is tough, but he's not stupid

Benching a player for a failed PK is outright insanity. Last night wasn’t Fredy’s best game in rave green, but it was far from his worst. I like that Fredy stepped up to take the kick. His failure wasn’t for lack of effort. You’re reading way too much into Sigi’s comments.

by LordIceman on Jul 5, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lack of Effort?

Yes, his terrible PK kick was a lack of effort. He thinks things come easier than they actually do, you can see it in his play.

by Mugen Power on Jul 5, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

After almost three years

yes, that’s how it comes off. Reminds me of people I used to play ball with. Full of talent, but they didn’t expend enough effort because they didn’t think the need existed, cause their natural talent was enough.

by Mugen Power on Jul 5, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do analysts do?

Analysts, pundits, fans, etc, form judgements based on the evidence and information they have access to. The only person that really knows whats going on with Fredy is Fredy, but we don’t have the luxury of being in his head. Therefore we as fans have the opportunity on blogs to provide our analysis as to why or why not his form as dipped this year.

by Mugen Power on Jul 5, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, this meme.

What’s the over/under on number of games in between every time this meme is rehashed?

by AdmiralAwesome on Jul 5, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's simple

if Fredy scores he played with good effort

if he didn’t he did not

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by Dave Clark on Jul 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Except that his scoring and effort dont' actually have a correlation

He’s played many brilliant games without getting a goal. That’s the nature of the sport.

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by Dave Clark on Jul 5, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really should have said "feels" close enough...

I can definitely recall several games where I was impressed with his “Le Toux-ness” if you will. Smart, hustling play, no points.
But sometimes that “feels” close enough to be true (note, not actually true)

by Sobchak on Jul 5, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Montero is becoming the single most infuriatng player in all of soccer-football

It wouldn’t surprise me if Sigi is getting tired of this…

he hasn’t SAID anything publicly…so its all speculation

...and you will hear us scream

by malcontentjake on Jul 5, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Parke is far more infuriating

He was clueless on several LA chances last night.

by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 5, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our defense

often has mis-steps…nobody on our defense is immune to it. Luckily for us, Wahl’s mistake with letting Donovan slip in behind (ha ha) didn’t cost us the draw.

by Mugen Power on Jul 5, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fucito didnt even make the 18 last night

and he played i think 90 today in the reserve game..

Noonan and Jaqua made it over him

by Sandra_R on Jul 5, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noticed that wasn't discussed much by S@H

Curious as to whether that was Sigi trying to motivate Fucito or what? Despite not scoring any goals in league play, I thought Fucito has been playing well. Why was he completely off the 18?

by ABTsportsline on Jul 6, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Could it be less of a benching than part of a scheduled rotation for the upcoming non-league games

Maybe Sigi plans to keep deploying him in those games, which Fucito might well be disappointed by but isn’t necessarily a benching per se.

by lemonverbena on Jul 6, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'd think he'd still make the 18, even if not the first forward in rotation

He’s still our second-best forward behind Montero (if you can even call Montero a forward these days).

I’d have to think you’d want your second best forward on the 18 against the best team in the league.

by ABTsportsline on Jul 7, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sigi sort of mentioned the quad

In his post-match comments Sigi somewhat mentioned the quad as a reason for pulling Montero.
I completely agree with nimajneb, I really hope this is the last we see of Levesque in the starting line-up. Yes, he scored twice against NY and played well against NE. He was mostly invisible last night.
I vote for the Montero/Rosales combo up top against Portscum. Or maybe the same line-up as last night with Fucito in for Roger. Beat Portscum with skill, it’s something they don’t have much of.

by Travis_Mc on Jul 5, 2011 7:52 AM PDT reply actions  

After the NE match

I would have hoped to see Rosales up front with Montero. We saw what Rosales can do as a play maker in that position and with our lack of options I really would like to see them together, with Fredy finding space so he doesn’t have to run (sooo slow) and Rosales finding him so Fredy can do what he’s supposed to do best…finish.

by Dan Olson on Jul 5, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

that is not a good strike partnership

I don’t think they compliment each other well, frankly, and I’d rather just Rosales at 2nd striker and Montero to the bench than that combo up front…

and I’d rather Rosales play right wing above all else…

...and you will hear us scream

by malcontentjake on Jul 5, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

You'll see Levesque in the starting XI again...

In fact, I predict you’ll see it as soon as Sunday. We’re playing Portland, remember?

by regnaD kciN on Jul 5, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I flipped out when the PK was saved

and I’m annoyed we didn’t get the win, but in the end for whatever reason, I’m not disappointed. I was going into this expecting a loss, so a draw is good enough for me to be reasonably happy.

Montero really should’ve buried that though. Maybe Wahl should be our PK taker…….

by chrisperry1983 on Jul 5, 2011 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

I hate finess PK's

numbers have shown that if you hit it hard and on frame you are very likely to convert a PK. Finesses PK’s must be perfectly placed or deceive the keeper because with lack of power, a keeper actually has time to react to the kick, or read the kick taker.
With power, the only chance the keeper has is to guess correctly, and even then they may not be able to reach it and parry it away from the goal.

by Travis_Mc on Jul 5, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

"you hit it hard and on frame"

That’s not so easy as it sound. If that’s so easy,everyone would be talking penalties that way. Look, even the best players in the world miss the penalties, but Montero should not be talking penalty yesterday (he already missed two penalties in last two seasons). I am more pissed at Sigi for letting him take the penalty than for Moreno missing it. I would be pissed if Montero was trying to do something tricky (for example, Panenka) and he missed.

by seattle 13 on Jul 5, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I forget who it was but...

there was a keeper in Europe who was the designated PK taker. It was funny looking up his stats and seeing 2-3 goals per season for a keeper.

by chrisperry1983 on Jul 5, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

That seems awfully dangerous

What happens if he misses?

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jul 5, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

run

You run like hell and never get to take a PK again…. at least, that’s what I told my HS keeper who I have had take PKs. She only got once chance, but converted it.
You also have a few more defenders back protecting. Though, this is of course much easier at the high school level where you’re not too concerned with a team going 120 yards in two quick passes.

by Travis_Mc on Jul 5, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whoops replied too fast

The guy I was thinking of is Hans-Jorg Butt.

In addition I found this interesting Wikipedia article, apparently there are a number of keepers who take free kicks and PK’s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_goalscoring_goalkeepers

by chrisperry1983 on Jul 5, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you have goltv and can watch Brasileirao games,

Rogerio Ceni for Sao Paulo still takes PKs and some free kicks for them, and he has been there forever. Just had a milestone goal not too long ago.

by mistuhp on Jul 5, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hard, on frame and on the ground

The problem with Montero’s PK was that it had loft but not enough to get it away from Perk. The better option is to keep it low on the ground so it’s more of a stretch for the keeper. The worst option is to have it in the air right at level with the keeper.

by Dizzo on Jul 5, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Evans

is actually our PK taker but with Evans not starting yesterday Montero took it.

by gstommylee on Jul 5, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Correct

I still think someone other than Montero should be the next PK taker.

He was 0/2 in league play before last night. Not hating on Montero at all, but the numbers could be used (especially now) to pose the suggestion that, at zero-for-three, we should be asking someone else to take them.

Some guys… it’s just not their thing, and that’s ok.

by ABTsportsline on Jul 5, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good game summary

We all feel a little bit disapointed, but we should be happy with a point. It seemed that we controlled the game, but I think they had better chances. I am amazed how our defense has one or two lapses per game, and they still have great goals against statistics. Our game was good till last 20, 30 yards, but we just did not create almost anything in front of their goal. It did not help that Galaxy played very defensive game yesterday so we did not catch them on counter-attacks ( (every time, we had the ball, there was 5, 6 of their players already back).

by seattle 13 on Jul 5, 2011 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

How irritated would we be if the FO doesn't bring a striker in

during the transfer window? Yikes.

Dominic Oduro has 5 goals this year – more than any Sounder. Yes, that Dominic Oduro. :facepalm:

by ABTsportsline on Jul 5, 2011 10:26 AM PDT reply actions  

How many chances we created last night?

I know we all praise play of Rosales, Fernandez, Alonso, Friberg but how many killer passes were there last night? The last pass was missing completelly, so I would not put the scoreless efort just down to forwards. I am not sure that any forward would change score in our direction last night. This year, we are creating less scorring oportunities than in the last two years for whatever reason.

by seattle 13 on Jul 5, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

A few thoughts

I don’t understand the Levesque bashing at all. He found himself space in the box, received the ball from Rosales, and then chipped it right over to Montero’s foot for his bike that earned the PK. That was our best chance of the night and Levesque was directly responsible for it.

If Gonzalez’s arm is down, there’s a good chance that Montero would have had the GotW.

Montero took that PK well. Credit Perk for realizing he had nothing to lose and going all out on the dive to the side he was guessing. He was practically halfway to the post by the time the ball came off of Montero’s foot. I think Montero would have actually done better to have finessed the ball a bit more. A chip shot over the diving keep would have worked in this instance.

I thought Rosales had an average night, I think Evans would have done better on the wing.

Alonso’s effectiveness is insane. According to chalkboard he made 45 passes. Only three were unsuccessful.

Friberg was all over the place, and should have CM locked down for awhile. This is the Friberg we had hoped we were bringing in.

For a clear illustration of how Fernandez is tactically limiting compared to Zak, take a look at the chalkboard heatmap for Fernandez. He barely did anything within 30 yards of their endline.

by agtk on Jul 5, 2011 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

" Alonso’s effectiveness is insane. According to chalkboard he made 45 passes. Only three were unsuccessful."

Ttat’s the reason why statistics and soccer do not mix well. Out of 42 sucessfull passes, 40 or 41 were “safe” passes to the closest player. I would like to see him take more risk with his passes and try to put people in some goal-scoring opportunities.

by seattle 13 on Jul 5, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Alonso is effective at maintaining possession

That stat is clear proof of it. Wanting Alonso to be a different player does not have any bearing on the usefulness of statistics.

Personally, I don’t want Alonso to be more risky. Wasn’t it his giveaway that led to Galaxy’s goal against us earlier this season?

by agtk on Jul 5, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm pretty sure it was Friberg's?

That said, Osvaldo should not be taking chances most of the time. Not unless he’s way upfield. I’m not asking for him to be Passback Pete, but nice and solid is what you want at his area of the field.

by Sobchak on Jul 5, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there's a good case to be made the PK should have been retaken

given how far off his line Perk came (he’s about 3 yds up before he starts his dive), and don’t think Perk saves it if he doesn’t get the additional help. Hard, low, to the corner, doesn’t get much better than that.

Aside from the one instance, Levesque was less than invisible IMO. He routinely was positioned around midfield even when play had progressed beyond there, and his passing left a lot to be desired as well (chalkboard shows about 50%, don’t care to calculate the actual). He’s certainly playing above his previous level, but that puts him at mid-level substitution, not starter. I can’t say, however, that I necessarily prefer to see Fucito in his place, and certainly don’t see anyone else to take the spot, so I suppose its his by elimination of others.

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by Seattle Coug on Jul 5, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see more Jaqua with Montero

I think that playing Levesque against the lesser-quality CBs that NYRB had made sense, and maybe even made sense against NE, but I don’t see Levesque generally succeeding against LAG, especially if it is likely that they will be playing defensively to cover their young GK.

For all the angst over Jaqua, he’s only gotten 5 starts this year and we’ve only been shut out in one of those starts (tie at Chicago.) Jaqua seems to play pretty well with Montero, and teams seem to respect him enough to open up space for Montero, at least giving him a level of respect higher than Levesque. Jaqua also seems to enjoy a short passing game, which could make for good combinations with Rosales, Friberg, and Fernandez.

I’m not saying that Jaqua is the greatest target forward of all time, but I’d like to see him over Levesque, generally speaking. I like Fucito, too, but the last couple of MLS games I’ve seen with Fucito on the field, it seemed as though he and the team were out of sync. I don’t think that’s really anyone’s fault, but the chemistry was lacking and I’d guess that’s something being addressed in practice. Having more mid-week games coming up might help with that, too.

by ubelmann on Jul 5, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chemistry is key...

I think our team in general lacks chemistry, and it’s due in large part to a rotating starting line-up, and inconsistent play from certain key players. The great teams know where their mates are going to be three passes ahead. Right now, as we see with the likes of Fernandez and Frieberg, they can’t even see one pass ahead. We seem to be without an identity on the field. Luckily we have glue like Ozzie and Mauro who help hold it together.

by Mugen Power on Jul 5, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The reason we do is because regardless of chemistry, we still have talented players and coaching staff. If we can get past the injuries and allow for more time to gel, we will continue to see more points.

by Mugen Power on Jul 5, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

By and large I think I agree with this

The Sounders have been playing well because they have assembled a good group of players and from the results we’ve been seeing in the reserve league, what looks like a deep pool of talent. But there hasn’t been much continuity, and I think the Sounders have been succeeding in spite of sub-par chemistry, which bodes well for them if they can all get on the same page come playoff time. The talent is more important than the chemistry, but better understanding amongst the players on the field could help.

by ubelmann on Jul 5, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

pretty much sums it up.

by Mugen Power on Jul 5, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

"bashing"

and “hate” are two words I’d like to see dropped from discussion boards.

Levesque’s run preceding service to Montero was decent enough. The cross was nothing special- well behind the forward and didn’t involve any particular play in the box to create a clear opportunity. Montero’s touch and skill made that play.

The skied ball at the beginning was one of the better chances to test Perk.

The headers Levesque did win on the day were not directed dangerously (there’s a reason long balls started seeking out Fernandez instead, and therefore a reason why Fernandez didn’t break often for the endline… the other reason being Alvaro can’t beat Franklin for pace). He generally failed either to advance the ball or retain possession when the ball was put to feet.

Used correctly, Roger Levesque has a good place on the team. He provides a lot of energy and defensive pressure in an attacking role. He is not a starting-caliber MLS forward. While that was not the only reason for a somewhat disappointing offensive performance yesterday, it was nevertheless a factor.

I thought Rosales had an average night, I think Evans would have done better on the wing.

Rosales and Friberg were primarily responsible for the decent attacking buildup throughout the first half, and Mauro was key to starting both plays mentioned above. He slowed down in the second half primarily because the team stopped finding him/he stopped finding space. Evans was completely ineffective when he came into the game.

Alonso’s effectiveness is insane.

There, at least, we agree. Seattle had the better run of play overall, and that was primarily attributable to Alonso, Friberg and Rosales.

by nimajneb on Jul 5, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speed was the issue

In my opinion, the fact that there wasn’t much speed on the roster hurt the Sounders’ chances getting that final person through on goal. There was a lot of great buildup until getting someone into the box to have a shot at goal. Against a big physical back-line like LA has, speed and slicing runs to open space is your best tactical bet in my opinion. There were very few darting runs to open space to free up shots on goal. This would have been an even greater tactical advantage once LA had to sub out a young CB for one that is almost as old as our Keeper.
The promise that I saw in this game from the Sounders buildup is exactly why I find the game to be a little disappointing. For all the good possession, the lack of shots testing an inexperience keeper is unfortunate. And I think a different tactical approach and thus, slight adjustment in the starting line up would have helped this. And this isn’t a hindsight-20-20 issue. I think many of us here in the #ChurchOfFucito would have advocated this before the match.

by AdmiralAwesome on Jul 5, 2011 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

reserve league game today...

Does anyone know if there will be a live stream or any coverage of the preseason game between the Sounders and Galaxy today ?

by brandinho on Jul 5, 2011 11:30 AM PDT reply actions  

No card?

Can someone explain to me why a deliberate handball in the box from the last defender that blocked a shot that was pretty likely going to be a goal was not at least a yellow card?

by silver00 on Jul 5, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think it was a deliberate hand ball

it was ball to hand, which in that case deserves a penalty, but probably not a card.

by agtk on Jul 5, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think it can be a yellow in that case

I think there is a distinction between a deliberate handball and a ball that hits a defender’s hand when it is not in a soccer-playing position. This is one area where it seems the referee has to make a really subjective call, which somewhat involves guessing the intent of the player involved. If it was a card-able, deliberate handball in that case, and it prevents the ball from going into the goal, I think it has to be a red card.

by ubelmann on Jul 5, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I got into this argument at the pub watching the game.

If it’s a foul that is a denial of a goal scoring opportunity, last I checked that’s supposed to go in the book. Whether it’s deliberate or not is inconsequential, when you’re looking at that kind of situation, and it’s either no foul at all, and therefore no penalty, or a foul that denies a goal-scoring opportunity, which means the book is supposed to come out.

by mistuhp on Jul 5, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is that distinction in the rules does not exist afaik

If it were Ball to Hand as per the definition it’s not a foul (in which case the PK was not the correct call). But I submit both that the defender’s hand was in an “unnatural position” and that he deliberately played the ball (see the replay). Both of which are offences and red cardable.

I know it’s a very subjective call, but from my perspective it’s either not a foul, or a cardable offense. Now I have the urge to go look up precedent in other games, because I don’t recall seeing many redcards for handballs in the box…

by silver00 on Jul 5, 2011 12:01 PM PDT reply actions  

From Law 12
Disciplinary sanctions

There are circumstances when a caution for unsporting behaviour is required
when a player deliberately handles the ball, e.g. when a player:

• deliberately and blatantly handles the ball to prevent an opponent gaining
possession
• attempts to score a goal by deliberately handling the ball

A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring
opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from
the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable
and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored

To me, the laws seem a bit unclear on this because they seem to use deliberate in two different ways. I think the word “blatant” is a big key here. It’s almost just like any other foul. If you trip a guy because you got your feet tangled with his, you’re probably not going to get carded. If you take a swipe at his feet, you’ll probably get carded. Similarly, if you get called for a handball on what looks like an instinctive reaction, but is still clearly a case of the player moving the hand to block the ball, you’ll probably get by without a card. But if it looks like you’ve thought it through, blatantly handled the ball to stop an attack from developing or something, then you’ll get carded appropriately (yellow or red depending on whether it is a direct goal-scoring opportunity.)

Basically, we know that not all handballs are cardable offenses. If Gonzalez wouldn’t have gotten a yellow outside the penalty area, then he doesn’t get a red for the same handball inside the area. But if he would have gotten a yellow outside the penalty area, then he would get a red inside the area for preventing a goal from being scored.

by ubelmann on Jul 5, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Problem is, the phrase "handles the ball deliberately" is the foul itself in rule 12

So if he was not judged to have handled the ball deliberately, nothing should have been called at all.
Thus, “obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball,” means that any hand ball that denies an obvious goalscoring opportunity that is called needs to be sent off (note that the rule states “a player is sent off,” and not “a player may be sent off”). It’s an all-or-nothing situation.

by mistuhp on Jul 5, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think you may be right

It might just be my brain getting in the way here, but it’s hard for me to fathom that the rule is intended to be written in such a way that a non-cautionable hand ball outside the penalty area could be a red card foul inside the penalty area. I imagine that some of the directives clear up this issue.

by ubelmann on Jul 5, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a weird rule situation, but...

keep in mind that any time there’s denial of a goalscoring opportunity, any foul can go from nothing to a red. Usually this kind of situation pops up on tackles in breakaway situations, so it does seem rather silly… but if a simple mistimed tackle has to go from a simple direct free kick to a spot kick/red card in that situation, handling is supposed to get the same treatment.

I’m very sympathetic to the view that if a foul results in a spot kick, unless it’s blatant, the referee should have discretion to just use a yellow (since a high probability of a goal is enough punishment)… but unfortunately, the FIFA directive says red.

by mistuhp on Jul 5, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

On an unrelated note, what's up with DeRosario's trademark celebration?

That thing confuses the hell out of me. What is it supposed to be? And Josh Wolff ‘filming’ it? Am I missing some reference?

La Vecchia Signora Forever!

by AKSupporter on Jul 5, 2011 12:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Werewolf

He is transforming in to a Lichen…

by Mugen Power on Jul 5, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lycan*

otherwise werewolves are a type of fungus….

by majora999 on Jul 5, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh seriously?

He’s started doing assist celebrations? I want to gouge my eyes every time I see that weird chicken dance.

by chrisperry1983 on Jul 6, 2011 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

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