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Practice Report: Talking Defense, Scrimmaging and James Riley

HOUSTON - JULY 30:  James Riley #7 of the Seattle Sounders and Brad Davis #11 of the Houston Dynamo slide to gain possession of the ball at Robertson Stadium on July 30, 2011 in Houston, Texas.  (Photo by Bob Levey/Getty Images)

Even prior to Seattle Sounders practice being opened up to media the emphasis was on defense. There was a full team meeting that emphasized that it isn't an issue for just the backline, but for everyone. Coach Sigi Schmid noted this as the first element from his post-practice conference;

We wanted them to look at the goals that we've taken. To look at our defensive mentality because we've taken goals for different reasons. Sometimes it has been an individual breakdown, sometimes it's an organizational breakdown, sometimes it has been a lack of being tough enough and winning duels and reacting at the appropriate time. I just tried to look at all those different things and identify those things. We're a good team with good players, and we had a good run defensively in the early part of the season, and we just need to get back to it.

[question: For those that don't follow the game this isn't just the keeper, but other guys on the field?]

It is a break down everywhere. You can't have players losing the ball 30% of the time on the dribble. That means that they are going at some body and guys are pushing forward into space. They're turning the ball over and now you are in a bad defensive position because you thought the guy was going to play the ball instead he lost it. Some times he shouldn't have lost it. Sometimes it is a case where you make a better defensive effort 40 yards up the field, then it doesn't come down to the back end of the field. At the end breakdowns are going to occur and then how you react in the final third becomes the final decision point. It is a number of things, but we'll be OK.

Sigi didn't just use the pre-practice meeting to address the defense. While the starters against the Houston Dynamo were in recovery mode nearly every one else was playing short-sided, short field scrimmages. At one moment Sigi had every player freeze to show the lack of marking just a few seconds after a turnover. Defense was clearly an issue. The team also worked on finishing drills, including a few players who took extra practice at it.

James Riley and I started our conversation talking about the defensive lapses recently, focusing on how the team limits the number of shots that the opposition is taking (5th in MLS for shots against per), but the few shots they are getting seem to be more open.

Riley: The origination of our defensive shape needs to get better, meaning our transition needs to get a lot better. We need to retain possession better when we do win the ball. At the end of the day it is up to the defense to make critical plays and we need to do that better. All around it is a time to refocus, to retool. We have a home game on Wednesday that we are looking forward to, and we're in a bit of a hole having to by two goals.

Again, it's a gut check. This team has stepped up to challenges before and this is no different.

Star-divide

SaH: Speaking of San Fransisco. They didn't have the success that Houston did, with just the one opportunity. What can you take from your performance against San Fransisco last week, and coming up this, that you can carry over into MLS play?

Riley: I think they're two different beasts honestly. There's a different rythm, a different tempo, when you go down and play the Central American teams. The grass is different, and there are a lot of other variables. In Champions League it is critical. You get punished for goals. We gave up a few chances and got punished on a penalty. I thought we had a few chances as well, and we could have easily equalized and came away with a draw which would have been huge for us.

As we transition to MLS play I think Houston was a great example of what a motivated team can do. They were very motivated and was almost a must win for them. They did well. They won their critical moments both offensively and defensively and we got punished for our mistakes. I think the overall theme is that you will get punished for your mistakes, if you keep making mistakes. We want to eliminate the mistakes, and not compound mistakes and move on.

SaH: With a player like Brad Davis, who doesn't need a lot of space to get the ball in, is there a way for someone like yourself to limit his ability or to close him down more?

Riley: He's a great player. I thought I did well on him. I don't think he had too many dangerous serves in. I know he's just a great player. Obviously you want to make it as difficult for him as possible and limit his service in the box, and I thought we did that. They had some other guys step up big for them. Obviously Brian Ching did, Cameron did, as well as Colin Clark. They had other guys that killed us. Brad Davis and that Houston team played very well on Saturday. They were the better team and we look to refocus and retool.

Davis only had a 77% pass completion percentage, down to 72% in the offensive half on the left side and only 66% of his open play crosses were effective.

Amadou Sanyang practiced for the first time in a public setting with the team today, and we'll have more on him shortly.

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timely feature

Thanks for putting this together.

by pdublu on Aug 1, 2011 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Wonder if it has anything to do with long ball vs build-from-the-back?

My eyes have seen quite a few instances where partial-clears by our CBs somehow falls to the feet of the opponent just outside the box. Sometimes it just looks like incredible luck from deflections, but lately less balls are being cleared out as more passes to midfield are attempted.

I’ve also noticed a shift away from those “kick it away at all costs” strategies we used to use back in the Marshall/Hurtado era when the heat picked up in the box. Remember Marshall would just boot it away, every time? Granted, we weren’t winning many of those long balls and I prefer building the attack from the back – but the poor, short clearances seem to be the undoing a lot of the time.

I’m not advocating we go back to the long ball, just wondering aloud if a slight shift in strategy might be a possible reason. What do you guys think?

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by ABTsportsline on Aug 1, 2011 4:06 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

That's a good notice

I’ll look into it.

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by Dave Clark on Aug 1, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a symptom

The real problem tends to be the defensive players are on their back heels so to speak when trying to clear the ball. The other team has already pushed possession unchecked enough that we’re running backwards or in the process of being turned and don’t have the forward momentum to step into the ball on clearance. We end up with weak deflections to the top of the box.

The real problem happened a few seconds earlier where we left open a clean play.

by Milo1 on Aug 1, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rest of Sigi's Comments

(On Wednesday’s match…) "We have to win by two goals. At the end of the day the game’s the same. We got to win by two goals. A 1-0 win will take it into overtime but we have to win by two so 2-0 wins it for us, 3-1 wins it for us, 4-2 wins it for us but 2-1 doesn’t win it for us. We got to win by two."

(On being back in Seattle…) "It’s nice to be at home, sleeping in our own beds, getting into a regular sleeping pattern. […] At the end of the day, our flight down to Panama was an 18-hour travel day from the time we showed up at the airport to when we landed there. You wouldn’t ask someone to take an 18-hour travel day and play a game a day later or two days later. That made it tough. We made adjustments. On the same token, being at home, being able to get a little bit of rest, getting away, getting into a little bit of a rhythm again training-wise, all those things are going to help."

(On Amadou Sanyang…) "He’s a player who is good on the defensive end of the ball. He recovers the ball well in midfield, that’s something that we liked when he played with Toronto. He’s got decent size. He’s a physical presence. He’s pretty good in the air. Those are all plusses. So he gives us a little more depth in the midfield area and, as he said, he can possibly play in the back as well so it gives us some depth there in midfield and in the back. We will see how he does, see how he does with his fitness, how quickly he adjusts but certainly as we look forward we obviously need to win this game on Wednesday and we can make our plans from there."

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by Dave Clark on Aug 1, 2011 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Fully agreed- we have the money and we have the spot

And we have the best support of any team in the MLS and an incredibly soccer-literate fanbase. If we can’t find the perfect full acquisition at striker, the FO can at least get an impressive loan for the rest of the season. You also have the ENTIRE world to choose from, so there are no excuses that they could not find anyone—not even a high-profile prospect— for at least a four month stint. If they don’t do anything, they will get second-guessed to death if we don’t win everything.

by Brougham Hooligan on Aug 1, 2011 9:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Although OT here

I really do think we would be a perfect loan destination for an EPL or other European club player right now as we can get them first team experience and they can be released in time to hit the European transfer window and rejoin their team. We may not be able to afford to buy Adebayor, but we could afford 4 months of rental.

by Brougham Hooligan on Aug 1, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great point

I kind of wonder why we haven’t had loan signings from there, given the factors you listed. Sticking with your Man City example, they have multiple attacking players who they just don’t care to play anymore. Last year they waited until January to loan out Roque Santa Cruz and Adebayor, among others who they’d given up on. There have to be more guys in situations like that out there, and the timing with the Euro transfer window seems perfect. Our league might not be great, but it’s better than rotting, and who knows, maybe one of those guys will score a boatload yachtload of goals and be more attractive commodities in the transfer market than they would otherwise be.

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by mistuhp on Aug 2, 2011 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if we've ever had a stretch in league play allowing this many goals

and I wonder if this is being viewed as more of a tactics or personnel issue by the management. Does Hurtado coming back fix things, or does it just act as a better masking agent to the overall flaws in the strategy?

Do you guys think we sign a starting XI defender before the window closes?

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by ABTsportsline on Aug 2, 2011 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

At this point...

I wouldn’t be as surprised as I would have a month ago when the team was saying they were very focused on an attacking player.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 2, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I mean, there's two weeks left...

I originally thought they’d get two, but I’m not sure about that either. Getting two would require a cut as well.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 2, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

we’ll hear something in the next 2 weeks on a incoming player rather it be defensively or offensively although i would prefer a constant scoring forward.

by gstommylee on Aug 2, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Sanyang might be it for defensive help

We always had room for two signings. One DP and one non-DP player. I figured the non-DP player would be a youngish defender although I figured it would be a RB rather than a CDM. However, they might be thinking of converting him to a right-back.

I still think the DP player, if they are able to sign someone, will be a target forward. It’s the biggest need for the team right now. As Jeremiah mentions, we’d need to make cuts if we bring in someone else. So, that would probably mean some trades which makes any other defensive help we get likely to come from inside the league (and probably require a good depth player leaving the squad).

by Dizzo on Aug 2, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Think you're right

and that’s evidenced by the players Sigi “made available” to other teams via trade at the start of the window.

Still, I’ll be disappointed IF Sanyang is the only addition defensively. I think we have much greater needs than CDM (I’d put RB, LB, and CB before CDM). Maybe Sigi has something up his sleeve to teach Sanyang a new position – who knows? Of course one must ask why trade for a person you’d experiment moving versus just signing a player that’s been playing the position you need his entire life?

I think I have my eye more on the cap than roster spots; as has been said, the team can cut or move any of the players to make room for new additions. At this point that is almost expected.

We could probably make educated guesses as to who leaves.

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by ABTsportsline on Aug 2, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

bear in mind we have 1 international spot open and if we can and are signing 2 foreign players we need to open up a international spot or trade for one.

by gstommylee on Aug 2, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a move for the future

Sanyang turned 20 yesterday. He’s young, and raw, and won’t make a real impact in league play for a couple seasons no matter what the position. Might as well try him at RB where we have no young players in the pipeline. Carrasco looks like our CDM for the future (hopefully very far in the future). He’ll certainly be easier to convert than Estrada.

by Dizzo on Aug 2, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

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