MLS Playoff Hopes: The Process of Elimination
As the 2011 MLS Season rounds the turn to the final stretch of the regular season, we've been talking about playoffs quite a bit here. We've looked at playoff position and playoff chances based on the current MLS table, based on a simulation, based on a target number of points, based on points per game standings, and so on. But another perspective is that a team makes the playoffs when 8 other teams don't. So instead of focusing on which teams are going in, we can take a look at which teams are out.
Last week I tweeted out our playoff odds for Cascadia teams, which at the time were: Seattle Sounders 99.7%, Portland Timbers 12.8%, and Vancouver Whitecaps 0.02% (the Timbers have since dropped down to just over 8% after losing in Kansas City). A few people responded with some surprise that the Whitecaps had any playoff chances at all and were wondering if they were mathematically eliminated. The short answer is no they're not mathematically eliminated and in fact they're not really even close. This is a reminder that mathematical elimination is a pretty useless standard, and I wanted to discuss it along with some other standards we could (and should) use when considering teams eliminated from playoff races.
Mathematical Elimination
The only attraction of mathematical elimination is that it's definitely, absolutely correct. You never want to say someone is eliminated and then have them suddenly not be, and barring a change in the rules or league structure midseason, a team that's mathematically eliminated is reliably out of the playoffs. But the downside of a such a high standard is, as I've pointed out, that it takes forever to happen and it happens well beyond the point at which even a committed fan or team executive would acknowledge that a team is no longer in a playoff race. The Whitecaps, which are the least likely team in MLS to make the playoffs, are in fact only 13 points behind the New York Red Bulls, who are currently in playoff position (ignoring the complexities of games in hand for a moment). Thirteen points is a run of 4 wins and a draw, and Vancouver has 10 games remaining in their season, so it's certainly physically possible for them to get those points.
To do so they would not only have to play way, way above their demonstrated level of ability thus far this season, but the entire rest of the league would have to cooperate by having every other near-playoff team play way below their demonstrated level of ability by effectively getting no more points. A committed fan might hope for the former, but hoping for the latter is untenable.
Effective Elimination
That brings us to a more reasonable standard of elimination. Instead of comparing a team to where its opponents and the playoff standard are now, we can compare them to where the playoff cutoff is likely to be, given the normal standard of play in the league. In other words, if the Mathematical Elimination standard requires both that a team play like the best team in the world and the other contenders play like the worst teams in the world, the Effective Elimination standard removes the second requirement and instead assumes that the rest of the league will continue more or less as normal, but allows for the team we're looking at to improve dramatically. For example, the MLS playoff cutoff over the last few years has reliably been around 40 points. This season, with the greater number of games, we're projecting it to be around 44. But we could accept 40 as an extremely conservative guess as a target for a team to make the playoffs. It's not outside the realm of possibility that a team with less would get in, but nobody should make an important decision based on that hope.
So if we take a look at teams that don't have a chance to make 40 points, we can call them Effectively eliminated. For example, Vancouver can get to 48 points if they win out their remaining schedule. Of course they won't, but that's not the standard of Effective elimination, which is still pretty high. And so Vancouver isn't Effectively eliminated yet, but that will come sooner than Mathematical Elimination. Every game they don't win drops their potential maximum by 2 or 3 points, and so we're likely to see effective elimination after 3-5 more matches, with Chicago, New England, and Toronto following soon after.
Projected Elimination
If we say that Effective Elimination removes the assumption that the rest of the league will play like crap, then Projected Elimination removes the assumption that the team we're looking at will play like superstars. Instead of picking a target that the team might achieve if they play really well, we instead project out based on how they've already played. There are a few ways to do this. . you could use PPM standings if you assume that the team will continue at their current PPM rate. Instead I'll use the simulation that we run anyway which has the advantage of being probabilistic, so we don't just say that Chivas USA is eliminated by projection because they're currently outside the top 10, but instead assign them a probability of making up that gap. The probability cutoff that determines whether we want to call a team eliminated is obviously arbitrary, but I think that playoff odds of less than 1% are safe enough. You might get that wrong once in 10 years or so. So which teams have reached projected elimination? Right now that list includes Vancouver, New England (at 0.13%), and Toronto FC (at 0.15%). Chicago and San Jose are barely holding on at more than 1% but less than a 2% chance to make the playoffs.
For a team that's reliably in the playoffs, like the Sounders, this doesn't matter as much. But a team like Chivas or New York Red Bulls will be keenly aware of which other teams have been eliminated, since they only make it in when that number hits 8. I'll probably post updates as the weeks go on regarding which teams have reached which standards of elimination.
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SKC's probably the best demonstration of mathematical elimination
Between their two losses to the Sounders they went 6-0-8 for 24 points, and yet that was only enough to get them into a wildcard position at that point (though they’ve since moved into an automatic berth with this week’s win over the Timbers). For where the Whitecaps are now, even going 9-0-1 would be a close-run thing in terms of making the playoffs.
P@rtscum Elimination
Bring on St. Dead Cinders Day, may favorite day of the annual soccer calendar!
We should have a name for this day.
I nominate “Bonfire Day”
by moyerLIVES on Aug 18, 2011 6:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Timbers Day is like Christmas
Every year you wish it could happen earlier.
by magistermilitum on Aug 18, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chopping Day
Roger Levesque is the Grand Marshal of the parade.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. Our yachts are all around you, there is no escape.
by 108Ultra on Aug 18, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I like this one
Mostly because it kind of reminds me of Capping Day, a local indie band from a ways back, and Snake Whacking Day, the best day of the year in Springfield.
by The King of Norway on Aug 19, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
While I celebrate our rivals doing worse than us
I honestly look forward to the day when all three Cascadia teams dominate the league at the same time.
I want soccer up here to shame – absolutely SHAME – the privileged and “entitled” teams in New York, LA, etc. I want mainstream media to be forced by sheer inability to see it any other way to recognize the greatness of the Northwest teams.
I want Portland to lose horribly to Seattle (and Vancouver) every time they play, but I want them to trounce and embarrass every other team in the league.
by Orothar on Aug 18, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
Slight modification
For me it’s Seattle > Vancouver > rest of league > Portland
There are a group of fans that will never spell out Portland Timbers
which due to my educational background is really funny, because there are religious groups that refuse to spell out the name of God.
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My vote is for St. Philomena day
The day that we are mathematically assured more points than the Timbers should be known by this saint. St. Philomena is the patron saint of lost causes. Fitting if you ask me.
by Colin Johnson on Aug 18, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice, but how about Saint Jude Thaddeus?
Per your site: http://saints.sqpn.com/saint-jude-thaddeus/
Died
beaten to death with a club, then beheaded post-mortem in 1st century Persia
relics at Saint Peter’s Basilica, Rome, Italy, at Rheims, France, and at Toulouse, France
Canonized
Pre-Congregation
Name Meaning
sweetness or gentleness of character (Thaddeus)
Patronage
desperate situations
forgotten causes
hospital workers
hospitals
impossible causes
lost causes
Saint Petersburg, Florida, diocese of
by magistermilitum on Aug 18, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Good site for playoff projections
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/USA/Sounders.html
Scroll to the bottom where they run 10,000,000 iterations to project the possible odds of Seattle making the playoffs at different seeds. Right now there’s a 5% chance of a Supporter’s Shield for the Sounders, a 64% chance Seattle will get a top 3 seeding, and a 99.9% chance they’ll make the playoffs.
You can see the projections for every other MLS team, other leagues, and other sports as well. Of note: they project the Chicago Fire have a 0.003% chance of ending the season with 10 consecutive draws. I think they can do it.
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I don't want to poo-poo them too much
but their model uses an odd version of pythag that underreports chances at draws. When using the site you’ll get more likely numbers by using their 50/50 method (which in soccer should be 33/33/33) since their strength of schedule and pythag are inaccurate.
They have been contacted about correcting this. They won’t.
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Interesting.
The only other site I know is PlayoffStatus.com which doesn’t even factor draws at all.
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We will start updating weekly
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by Dave Clark on Aug 19, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, refusing to submit to peer review
means they deserve to be poo-poo-ed.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. Our yachts are all around you, there is no escape.
In fact their errors in pythag were worked on by SoccerMetrics and Howard Hamilton
I just don’t think they saw the utility in having changes that were for soccer only.
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Even worse on their part then
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. Our yachts are all around you, there is no escape.
I don't think the projections are based on pythag.
I update their stats for MLS (and a few of the English leagues) and my understanding is that the pythag is only used to determine under/over performance based on goals scored/allowed.
I calculate the chances of Draws vs Home Wins vs Home Losses in “real-time” based on the current seasons ratios, and then further weighted and normalized aganst the prior seasons ratios. Currently, this means that the current frequency of draws in MLS (38.8%) accounts for a future draw ratio of 34.9% (much higher than last year). And the current “Home Win” ratio of non-drawn games of 67.1% accounts for a future projection of 67.0% (nearly the same as last year).
For reference, this currently works out to about 43.5% – 35% – 21.5% (W-D-L) chance in favor of the Home team, while the “50/50” screen does make it 33-33-33.
It is of course nothing more than a brute-force “lets play it out 10 million times and see what happens” method, and my biggest fault with it is that it gives “weak” teams the same odds of winning out as “strong” teams.
that seems like a big fault...
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 21, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Which is the "that" that is the big fault?
That it is a simple random sample based on W-D-L percentages?
Because it has never claimed to be anything else, and it’s methodology is clearly published.
I take a bit of exception when people “find fault” with someone else’s projection style. If you have a “better way”, then package it up and present it (ie Put up or Shut up). If you detect dishonesty in the numbers that is one thing. To say “you’re doing it wrong” with no demonstration of your clearly superior method, then your comment becomes less than useless. As it is, this is one way to present the data, and what have you got?
Hey, Dave
How’d you become such a stats geek? Self learned, or do you have any background in probability/stats/mathematics?
I'm not really a stats geek
I’m a stats user
I know enough to apply other people’s work (Graham, sidereal here). It came out of me trying to learn more about baseball and basketball. Everything I’ve learned is self-taught and I try to run it by smarter people than I if it’s just me doing the work.
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