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The Mike Fucito Conundrum: No Such Thing As No Cost Upgrade

Mike Fucito may not be the biggest player, but he's shown an ability to match physicality with some of the better defenders in MLS.

There might not be a segment of the Seattle Sounders fanbase more excited about Mike Fucito's recent coming out party. Almost as long as Sounder at Heart has been following a MLS, we have been signing his praises. And while it may seem counter-intuitive to question the gospel of #churchoffucito, I do feel compelled to take a tiny step back and ask: What's the cost of making Mike Fucito a full-time starter?

If you listened to Nos Audietis this week, you probably know where I'm going with this. We talked somewhat at length about whether or not Fucito should start this week against FC Dallas. Along the way, we discussed how best Fucito fits into this team.

Just to back up a little, I want to make it clear that I believe Mike Fucito represents the Sounders' best option as a second forward. In lieu of a clearly better option -- and no matter what you think of the other guys who are both healthy and have started there recently, I think we can agree there is no clearly better option -- I feel as though the payoff of using a forward tandem of Fucito-Fredy Montero is worth the costs.

But let's not pretend there are no costs.

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The biggest and most conspicuous cost that comes from Fucito getting more playing time is the lack of a true ball-winner at forward. Admittedly, of the three other players who are apparently in the mix at this position, only two of them are real "ball-winners." In any case, as much as we may point out that Fucito has very good jumping ability, he's just not a big guy and watching him play, I don't think anyone can reasonably claim that he's winning a lot of duels. 

That said, in looking at the five games in which he has started, the Sounders only won less than 50 percent of the duels in one of them. In the two games before he got his first start and the three after -- I basically just wanted to look at games around the same time he was playing -- the Sounders won a very similar number of duels (51.6 with him as opposed to 53.4 without him). Obviously, five games is a ridiculously small sample size, but at least we can say that simply having Fucito on the field does not doom the Sounders to ceding an inordinate number of 50/50 balls.

There is one rather significant asterisk when talking about those games, though. In four of them, Brad Evans was patrolling the central midfield. In the one he didn't, the Sounders won just 47 percent of the duels. As it so happened, Evans did not play in any of the five other games I looked at. Again, we're talking about an absurdly small sample size, but I thought it was worth noting.

A somewhat related statistic is possession percentage. It seems a reasonable argument to make that as long as you're holding more possession, you can afford to win a few less duels. Here we see a perfectly acceptable tradeoff, as in the five games Fucito started the Sounders held an average 54.6 percent of the possession, as opposed to an average of 51.8 percent in the other five games. In the one game where Evans didn't start along with Fucito, though, the Sounders held just 44 percent of the possession. That was a road game at Real Salt Lake, though, so it's hard to say how much of that was tactical.

The other area where it would to be a tradeoff to have Fucito on the field is on set-piece defense. Interestingly, this has not borne out. The Sounders have not surrendered a set-piece goal in any of the five games in which Fucito has started and they actually have a better goals against average in those five games (0.80) than in the rest of their games this season (1.10). Small sample-size caveat obviously goes with these stats as well.

While we're looking at all these numbers, I should also point out that the Sounders offense was not particularly good during the five-game stretch that Fucito played. We do however have goal numbers from his two other starts this season, against the Kitsap Pumas in the U.S. Open Cup and, of course, Comunicaciones in CONCACAF Champions League. If we factor in the six goals the Sounders combined for in those two games, we have the Sounders scoring 11 goals in seven games or an average of 1.57 per game or slightly more than the 1.52 the Sounders average in all their other competitive games.

There's no question that we lack anywhere close to enough data to make any kind of definitive statements regarding Fucito's effect on the overall team. Looking at the information we do have, I'm tempted to say that the Sounders are better of with someone like Brad Evans in the central midfield than Erik Friberg if Fucito and Montero are your forwards.

We're feeling pretty good about our projection that Fucito will start on Saturday. Considering Evans is still coming back from an injury and just went 90 minutes on Tuesday, it seems a bit much to ask for him to play again so soon. Maybe Sigi tries to get a little more out of Alvaro Fernandez by playing him against Dallas and Monterrey, but that seems unlikely.

More realistically, we expect to see a lineup that features an attacking core of Montero, Fucito, Lamar Neagle, Friberg and Mauro Rosales. There's not a light of size there. There is a lot of speed and technical ability, though. This would be a new look for the Sounders, but when you belong to a church, sometimes you need to just have faith.

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How many balls did Noonan or Levesque or Jaqua win off the feet of opposing defenders?

When was the last time any one of them out leapt a defender to score off of a header? I understand your concerns about Fucito, particularly with regards to winning those tough headers in the box. What I don’t understand is how he represents a drop off from Levesque, Jaqua, or Noonan in those areas.

I’m sure there are some things that those guys bring to the table that Fucito doesn’t, but I don’t think we’ve seen enough of him to really get good idea of what those things are.

Also, it was alluded to in the podcast, but the idea of employing a “ball winning forward” is really pretty ridiculous.

by moyerLIVES on Aug 19, 2011 11:31 PM PDT reply actions  

No one said we should employ a "ball-winning forward"

But you do need some ball winners on the field. Or at least it does serve a purpose

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 20, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

at the moment...

Relying on any of the other three options under discussion for such a role would be detrimental for the offense regardless. Levesque and Noonan do not match up well against central defenders in the air and, like Jaqua, have trouble directing a won header. If we’re talking winning possession off high pressure from the forwards on the defensive line, Levesque and Fucito are the two with notable ability to apply such pressure regularly.

There’s merit in suggesting that Evans be given starts selectively where more defensive height is desired, but I don’t think Fucito vs. the field changes that equation appreciably.

by nimajneb on Aug 20, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Headed in goals are a rarity with this team. Doesn't matter at all.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that to try to get more goals from headers would be a mistake.

When Montero is most effective, it is in situations where the players up top are stretching the field. Rosales does this on his own but there aren’t a lot of players in this league that can do that.

Zakuani has usually filled that role but Fucito can too.

From my humble point of view, we tend to kick the s%^t out of teams when we play to defend then counter. Fucito and his skills complement Mauro and Freddie.

Take ’em all in Dallas!

by DaveValleDrinkNight on Aug 20, 2011 1:27 AM PDT reply actions  

It would be one thing if we were losing a great header of the ball

If he were replacing someone with real ability, Falcao, Ronaldo, heck even Abby Wambach it would make more of a difference. But I’ve seen better heading ability from Montero than Jaqua or Noonan. All we are really loosing is a tall guy to defend headers on set pieces because even on offensive set pieces, Fucito has been delivering the ball, therefore allowing one more of the taller midfielders into the box as he pushes wide to take the corner and that trade off, short forward for taller mid, is not so detrimental as the straight swap of forwards. The other factor is that we are not a push the ball wide and bomb a cross in type of team anyway. Rosales, Neagle, Fernandez, our wide mids like to tuck inside anyway so even in the run of play we’ve not been playing to the strengths of the taller forwards to begin with.

It’s worth taking a look at the opportunity cost of playing him, but I think the new benefits of playing Fucito, such as being able to stretch defenses over the top with speed far outweigh the one disadvantage of losing a little height, that can be mitigated anyway.

by olorcain on Aug 20, 2011 6:08 AM PDT reply actions  

The bigger issue, I think, is fitness

Fucito is the best starting option for second forward, but he’s not so much better than our other options there to justify starting him on 4 days’ rest when Jaqua, Noonan, and Levesque are all completely rested.

Start him in CCL matches and start one of those three in league matches IMHO.

by Tohoya on Aug 20, 2011 7:53 AM PDT reply actions  

I think he'll be fine on 4 days rest

but if he starts in Dallas, I don’t think we should look for him to play much in Monterrey. It’s a trade-off, but with Dallas’ somewhat unsettled back line, I think it would be worth it to start Fucito and play Levesque or Noonan in Monterrey.

by Nevtelen on Aug 20, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hate to say it, but Monterrey is the more important match

Realistically, we’re fighting Dallas for 2nd place. While playing the 2nd leg of a home-and-away is an advantage…it’s a small one. However, securing points in Monterrey will be a big boost for advancing in CCL. If Fucito is our best option up top the. I say him for Monterrey.

by Dizzo on Aug 20, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he needs to be saved, tho

Considering how rarely he’s been used this year, I don’t see any reason he can’t play three games in about a week.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 20, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fucito's fitness seems fine

Like Alonso, Fucito looks like a young guy that could run up and down the field 90 minutes every other day without adverse consequences. That he has not played much just reinforces the idea that you could burn quite a bit of wick before wear and tear became an issue.

by AliasDictusTyrant on Aug 20, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's also a lot more injury prone

Than Alonso – or at least, Fucito has been historically.

I worry about fatigue leading to injury.

by Orothar on Aug 20, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Worst case

he’s our 60th minute Suazo-type sub.

by chrisperry1983 on Aug 20, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Best 6 minutes EVER!!1111!!1!1!

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by Dave Clark on Aug 21, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

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