This is expected. You are a Sounder.
Frontpaged because I (Dave) found this an intriguing conversation.
In fact, I'd argue that the Sounders' newfound ability to win ugly is a hugely positive development.
Jeremiah wrote this in his post covering the highlights of last night's improbable CCL victory in Monterrey. I agree wholeheartedly. But I also think that there is something more happening that is changing the culture within the team. Sigi has everyone believing that they have a responsibility to contribute when called upon. He expects them to play within themselves and get the job done. This level of reliance and expectation is paying huge dividends. Players are being called upon to participate in the championship aspirations of the team and are rising to the expectation.
This relaxes everyone within the team and creates esprit de corps. You are not a reserve player, you are a Sounder. Now get out there and earn the right to wear the jersey. It is a belief that everyone within the franchise will make meaningful contributions in meaningful games. It is the belief that no matter who starts or who plays, Sounders compete for points in every setting and can win.
This isn't just about winning ugly. A team can start the same basic core of players and those players can learn to win the occasional ugly game. A core group of players may learn to play different tactics depending upon their opponent. Both of these things are important. Yet, such a team is susceptible to both injury and fatigue. This isn't what I see happening to the Sounders. Sigi is getting the entire roster to believe in something bigger than themselves as individuals. He is getting them to believe in being a Sounder. He is creating a champion's pedigree and the traditions to make it last. The players have bought into the concept.
Look at the two players who played 180 minutes this weekend: Jeff Parke and Zach Scott. Most fans would list Jeff Parke as one of the Sounders starting 11. Yet, Scott played every minute of two crucial games as well. And he played two different roles. He was a marking defensive wing against Brek Shea of FCD and a CD against Monterrey. If someone would have told me to pick two players to play 180 minutes, I sure as hell wouldn't have put Scott on my lineup card. But Sigi did. And Scott performed.
This isn't just about time in the Reserve League. It isn't about time off the bench in the waning minutes of a game whose conclusion is forgone. It isn't about rating some competitions as important and others as secondary. The Sounders are melding into a single entity. One team that competes regardless of who fields the pitch and how they need to adapt in order to be successful with the pieces that they have.
This morning Ives Galarcep wrote an article about how the LA Galaxy have distanced themselves from the rest of the MLS andall but anointed LA the MLS Cup Champions. When analyzing their competition, he neglected to even mention the Sounders. He didn't just discount the second place Sounders. He didn't mention them at all. Yet, watching the recent growth of the Sounders as a cohesive team, I somehow doubt that Bruce Arena is so blase'. Championships are won in the heart and in the head before they are won on the pitch. Sigi is laying the necessary mental mortar for the Sounders to be champions and I am looking forward to watching.
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Seen this before...
Championships are won in the heart and in the head before they are won on the pitch. Sigi is laying the necessary mental mortar for the Sounders to be champions and I am looking forward to watching.
Look at Columbus when Sigi was running the show. That team won ugly a lot…and there isnt anything pretty about the playoffs. This team is starting to look like C-Bus in its championship year, but with more firepower and depth.
Hope we get to play the Galaxy in the playoffs this season…I dont believe it will be a repeat of last year’s bout.
by DeathCabForWoody on Aug 24, 2011 5:12 PM PDT reply actions
GBS, Gaven, Rogers, Hejduk wasn't fun for you to watch?
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by Dave Clark on Aug 24, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Reserve league is a huge factor
Last year we played younger players that just weren’t ready yet. Seamon, Estrada, and Montano have 3 MLS appearances this year. Last year, 17 appearances for that trio. It is nice to allow these players to get games. These games also let our injured players play their way back into fitness. We are a much deeper team this year and the expansion of the rosters have allowed us to handle injuries much better. But I agree completely that we have mentally turned a corner. We believe we are championship quality. Its going to be a fun couple of months.
Regarding Ives, whatever, it makes me hear this in my head.
No one likes us, no one likes us, no one likes us…. We don’t care.
:)
Sports. Right?
by mdkathon on Aug 24, 2011 6:06 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
No kidding
We have been as hot as anyone in the league for 3 months, sit firmly in 2nd overall, and not even a mention as a contender?
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Aug 25, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I went out an bought a soccer ball today.
That’s right. I’ve never been much of an athlete myself. I played a bit of pick-up soccer here and there back in college. It was fun, but I didn’t play much, and I certainly never owned my own ball. However, as I’ve gradually (or not so gradually) been getting sucked into the beautiful vortex that it is to support the Seattle Sounders FC, I’ve thought many times about getting in on the action myself. Well, after last night’s historic win, idea became reality. I simply could not hold off any longer. I was inspired. On my way home from work, I picked up a soccer ball from the store, and you know what? I just got home from playing soccer in the park. I loved it! Somehow, this seemed appropriate to mention in connection with this post. Sigi’s impact is great. This “esprit de corps” – it’s contagious!
by bago'juice on Aug 24, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
We should do a SAH pickup game
I recently started playing indoor soccer after a 10 year absence. I wheeze around for a few minutes before calling for a sub. Sounds like we’d be mates. We can check out Dave’s tactics on the field in real-time.
Frankly...
I hope, I expect, I want us to win every match.
But with no new talent coming in, SSFC have no choice but to win…any way they can! Every time we skyed a clearance right to a Monterrey player last night, I got pissed. That was the ugliest performance, EVER.
My best friend said, “I’ve never been so angry on the way to a win!”
However, I’m glad that we are on form and winning(!) without a transfer window savior. We’ve seen what this team is like when all the cylinders are firing and despite (or perhaps in spite) of supporters demands and expectations, SSFC stands to have the best season since joining MLS
The talent is already there, if we can improve and stay dangerous without a high profile signing—I’m all for it.
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The team is ephemeral
I agree with the post and don’t want to be a downer, but want to throw out RSL as a cautionary tale. In early defiance of the Ljungberg Rule RSL emphasized the team over individuals and rode it to an MLS Cup. 2 years later they are struggling. If Sigi is succeeding in building that same mentality in the Sounders even under the pressure of wildly disparate salaries that should be seen as a huge success, but one that will be tricky to sustain in the long term.
Still, experience counts for a great deal and success breeds more success. Our reserves are a confident lot, with good reason. Our depth has shown through after being questioned only a few short weeks ago.
Are you sure you mean ephemeral?
I don’t see anything about this team being short lived or transitory. Sigi and company put together a good side from day one and have methodically improved it over 2 and 2/3rds years. I look at the roster and see continued excellence. The core of the team is entering their prime years, Good young players fill the back end of the roster, and the team has been quick to deal with mistakes or problems and either make moves or already have a solution waiting in the wings. If we lose one or two key players to Europe the allocation money will be put to good use to fill the hole.
I agree 100%
I’ve been a Sigi and Adrian backer all along and appreciate their view for the long term. I’m only saying that team-ness is hard to hold on to. I admire Kreis and what he’s accomplished. It’s possible his team is struggling because he’s young and has failed them in some fashion. Or, perhaps, he’s doing most things right but teams just go through cycles. It’s this that I’m warning about. Even good teams struggle. We should enjoy these good times but should not expect that it’ll always be a happy family. Also, we should measure the team character not by the unity now, but by the ability to work through the disunity.
I think there is no question that we'll eventually go through a 'down' period
whatever that means. Sure, RSL is having issues now. But they’re still in a very good position to make the playoffs and have quality players that have achieved a lot together. There are a lot of teams that would kill to be where RSL is right now. If that’s the worst ‘down’ cycle the Sounders have over the next few years, I’ll be ecstatic. Something will eventually happen – just look at the beginning of last season. Still, the team pulled through and made a magical run to the playoffs with some timely additions.
RSL shows pitfalls of CCL knock out stages
Taking a giant leap fueled by the euphoria of pipping Monterrey the Sounders face the same potential difficulty next year that RSL is going through now. Having to start the season at full throttle with CCL knockout games means little down time between seasons. RSL’s lack of mid season form can be chalked up to physical fatigue and injuries but the mental fatigue of having to start the season with so many must win matches should not be discounted.
I see that as a bennefit
Starting full throttle seemed to jump start RSL to something like a perfect record and what looked like the best “team” ever in the history of the league. Then Morales got injured and it showed that Jason Kreis does not have the skill to coach a team to success, he needs a successful team full of great players and can tweak them a bit, but he won’t ever take a reserve side down to Monterrey and win.
That seems like a bit of a stretch
Kreis has done some amazing things with his team and just because they’re going through a rough patch doesn’t make him a poor coach. I think the frustration has been showing through in his public commentary of late, but he’s a very young coach and I still think a very good one. I also think this RSL team isn’t done and will make some noise before the end of the season. I still think they’re the second deepest team in the league after us and once they psychologically get back on track (and get Morales back), they’ll get back to winning. Just hopefully not against us.
sample size of one
They also had some major injuries and other issues to deal with. Not sure I’m willing to accept that a knockout stage berth means you’re season is automatically in trouble.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Aug 27, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
RSL is not built as a team mentality, I guess you guys didn’t watch them very much, sure they had good possession, but that’s just a playing style. A true team mentallity wouldn’t have gone completely downhill after Morales got injured. We had that same thing happen and have the best record in the MLS over the time-span that OBW and Zakuani got injured.
If success wasn’t hard to accomplish and sustain they wouldn’t call it success, they’d call it average.
I don't think it was the Morales loss
I think it was losing the CCL final.
They didn't go down hill until July
Hard to equat that to an injury in early May
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Excellent post
I made a comment yesterday about how we were playing reserves in the Monterrey game. This definitely makes me rethink that point. I agree whole heartedly with this post. Sigi has made it clear that we’ve got a lot more than just 11 players who can start. Each player will be given opportunities, and if they do well, they’ll be given more. The level of trust each player has in his teammates to put in a great effort each game is almost palpable lately.
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by SoundersForever on Aug 24, 2011 10:57 PM PDT reply actions
So how did LA become such a big favorite to run away with the league? Two teams expected to compete with the Galaxy for top honors have endured disappointing seasons.
So the Galaxy are going to win because RSL and NYRB aren’t great? I can’t recall a more futile desire to see preseason expectations met this late in the regular season. Beyond the regular development of players and coaching styles, the regular season is filled with surprises—fortuitous moments, lucky bounces, and strange circumstances that make the game so tense. To (reluctantly) quote Chris Berman, “That’s why they play the games.” To view the MLS season as a featureless inevitability is bizarre, or you’re confusing it with the Scottish League.
As for the postseason, who had Colorado winning the MLS Cup in 2010? Anybody? Anybody? Oh, Stan Kroenke’s mom just put up her hand. I see no one else. Yet it happened.
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Playoffs are randomizers
And MLS playoffs more than most. Pretty much anything can happen over a four or five game stretch.
To be clear, I don't have a problem with Colorado winning the 2010 MLS Cup.
I wouldn’t have a problem with LAG winning the Cup either. I just have a problem with the article anointing LAG the champions-to-be and indirectly discrediting the regular season.
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by J.Schnauzer on Aug 25, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Thank you
Just wanted to take a moment and say thank you to Dave and everyone who has chimed in on my comments. I participate in Sounder@Heart because of the quality of the conversation here. And it was a pleasure to help contribute to that conversation.
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