Thursday Tactics 'n' Things - Strategy and Identity
I'm hoping that this can be a regular series where we can have some discussions about how the game is played, especially the tactical/strategic side of things. In the future I'll be taking a look at the tactics of upcoming opponents, tactical implications of Sounders transfer and roster moves, and any related topics you guys want to hear about.
To kick off, I want to talk about what I think tactics mean and the related issues of strategy and identity.
When most people hear the word tactics in the context of soccer, thoughts run immediately to formation. While this is an important component, this is just a small part of the story. Even if all formations other than 4-4-2 suddenly, magically disappeared, there would be huge variation in the way that teams played. One team might have a very aggressively attacking version, taking defensive risks by frequently adding defenders to the attack. Another team might take the completely opposite approach and commit only a striker or midfielder or two to offense, while using the bulk of the team to shut down the opposition. And of course, there are many positions between these extremes. Obviously, the real world does include all the different formations, and so the range of tactical options is huge, and selecting the right one for the situation is the central responsibility of a coach.
A less discussed but just as fundamental aspect is strategy and identity. Whereas tactics are the immediate on-field plans thought up by a coach and executed (or not) by the players, strategy is the long-term, off-field thinking headed by the front office and executed by the organization. This includes what kind of players will be acquired under what kind of contracts, which coach to hire and when to let him go, and so on and so forth. Ideally, these strategic decisions will lead to the building on an identity.
Gary Kleiban at the excellent 3Four3 blog discussed this issue after the Champions' League final in May. For him, one of the keys to Barcelona's victory was their established identity and coherent style of play that has been maintained and built upon year after year. Coaches are selected with this identity in mind and they act to transmit and reinforce it throughout the team. Barcelona knows exactly what kind of player they need to play their style, and any incoming player knows exactly where they fit into that scheme. This makes a much higher level of play possible, one where players can almost share one mind and tactical execution and coordination happen freely and naturally.
This sort of identity is achieved by few teams, but those that do are the ones that consistently perform year to year, and rack up the silverware. Since the building of an identity is a process that takes a long time, it's no surprise the Sounders aren't there yet, but I see signs that they're working towards it.
The strongest of these is their attitude towards youth and development. The Sounders clearly see themselves becoming a club where players grow into their peak. They have bought into the academy system in a big way and as Dizzo noted, they're at the forefront of the evolution of the DP from aging superstars to up-and-comers launching exciting careers. Even the signings of O'Brian White and Amadou Sanyang fit into this vision, as examples of the Sounders betting they can build up young players who have struggled elsewhere.
If the Sounders fully integrate this concept into all levels of the organization, it will become self-reinforcing and drive many decisions. Coaches will be evaluated on their management not only of the first team, but their leadership of the Academy staff. The FO will make ever greater investments in scouting for both youth prospects and rising young professionals. Tactical philosophies will be developed to take advantage of the attributes of young players.
Building an enduring identity will require answering many fundamental philosophical questions and then committing the entire club to those decisions. If they can do that effectively, the front office will succeed in making the Sounders a world-class team for years to come.
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Actually... totally agree
I think this is something that, for the most part, transcends a sport. You see this in a lot of leagues. “System” teams have more up years than down and are able to sustain success in a long term.
I'm a big fan of "identity" or "system" as well.
Soccer being as big as it is in the world. There’s 11 spots on the field, but 100s of positions/roles. I think there’s potentially an advantage to be had by grabbing players that are underrated but perhaps fill into your system perfectly.
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Biggest example I see of this..
.. is with my #1 European team AS Roma.. They brought in Luis Enrique (Barca B coach previously) and have since unloaded more than half of their roster (a roster that finished 6th in Serie A, not great but respectable) and brought in a bunch of different guys to come in and play the Barca way (as Luis Enrique is a student of Pep)
Real excited for the potential of what could be there, but as was discussed here, it will take a lot of time to develop said identity and could be an interesting first couple of months.
by BaltimoreIslander on Aug 25, 2011 8:21 AM PDT reply actions
As a Juve supporter, what do you think of Vucinic's transfer? Sad or glad to see him go?
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HUGE talent
with a capital H-U-G-E… but if things don’t go his way, he can start to become a little girl. There was just no room for him to get the playing time he wanted (with Totti, Borriello, Menez) and he fell out of favor with the manager(s) a lot.
Sad to see him go, especially once Menez left as well, but with the system Luis Enrique is gonna try and implement, I didn’t really see him fitting and he made it clear that he wanted out, and you never want someone like that on your team.
I think he has the talent to lead Serie A in goals though, just needs to be put in the right situation.
Luis Enrique has made a lot.. a lot.. of personal changes (and is apparently not getting along the greatest with Totti) so the Vucinic transfer will depend a lot on how successful this new system actually turns out to be. In the end, sad to see the talent of Vucinic go, but not so much the personality of Vucinic go.
by BaltimoreIslander on Aug 25, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Vucinic has looked great in pre-season for Juve, but I have heard tell of his attitude/motivation problems.
To me Menez seemed similar to this, in that he has great talent but struggles with consistency. I would be more excited about the Bojan signing, very promising player.
As for Totti, I’ve heard he’s already been arguing with Luis Enrique. Wonder how that will turn out, considering Totti’s status on that team – Montella certainly deferred to him quite a lot.
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by AKSupporter on Aug 25, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Especially since Montella played with Totti
.. so that was kind of a weird situation when Montella and Totti used to pair up together.
Menez’ talent is what I’m going to miss the most, hated to see him go. But he joined the all-star team to be at PSG.
Excited.. but skeptical about Bojan.. he’s been a promising talent for some time now (obviously trying to break in to the Barca side is no easy task) but I feel like he’s been ‘on his way’ for a long time. I think a fresh start will be great for him.
by BaltimoreIslander on Aug 25, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Any American sports fan already knows this
Some Football teams run a 4-3. Others a 3-4. Some run the Wildcat. Others the West Coast Offense.
Baseball teams build personnel around the design of their stadium. (speed and defense vs. power) Ground ball pitchers vs. strike out power pitching.
If you are Barca you have the freedom and money to simply go out and get the players you need for your system. That’s nice for Barca.
That’s not the reality in MLS (or in literally any NA league).
An example from the NBA – take the mid 90’s Sonics vs. Utah Jazz.
The Sonics liked to swarm the ball. Double team traps were a constant part of George Karl’s philosophy. That required a lot of switching which resulted in a team with big guards and small centers. Everyone needed to be able to switch onto anyone.
Compare that with the Utah Jazz where John Stockton was too small to guard any big and Greg Ostertag was too big and slow to man guards. So they ran a more typical pick and roll – man to man system.
Both worked.
The question is, do you have the luxury of conforming personnel to system or do you have to conform system to personnel?
Here in MLS, we can’t simply go out and get the perfect player when we need him. Not only that, but even if you have the players for your system you have to change that system when players aren’t performing well enough (Jaqua) or are injured (OBW).
Sigi seems to realize we can’t keep going with the target forward/withdrawn forward pairing when we don’t have a body to fill the target role credibly.
So we have to change our system because we can’t simply go out and buy the guy we need. We can keep sending in big crosses to guys who aren’t there, or we can switch to building up through the middle.
THAT’s good coaching. ANY coach can simply say “we are a system Y team” and expect his GM to go out and find players for that system. That’s a sign of a good GM more than a good coach. A good coach takes what he has and figures out the best system for those players to succeed.
I was kind of thinking the same thing
How do you account for the defmidwards and strikefielders like Levesque, Estrada, Noonan, etc.?
I guess it makes sense, though. I think I’d rather have players that do one job exceptionally well than have 11 Rogers that do 280 things adequately.
by Kyle Ritter on Aug 25, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Levesque is the classic "utility infielder"
In the NFL draft, he’d be listed as “athlete.”
In the NBA, he’d be a “tweener” and an “energy guy” off the bench.
He’s a jack of all trades, master of none.
It’s nice to have a few of those guys on the team. Especially in a sport with limited subs. I noticed that Levesque moved up to forward when Jaqua came out. But you are correct that you can’t build a team with 11 Levesques.
by Jack Brando on Aug 25, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I would say systems are MORE necessary when you are limited in talent
because one with a lot of specialists are easier to accomodate in a tight cap/roster limit scenario. When you can buy the best players in the world you don’t need a system (Man City, Real Madrid) because the style just adjusts based on the players. Sigi has only left the big/small up top for less than 10 games this year, and only because of injuries, not an abandonment of the philosophy.
Academies should also exist within the system. Training at the pre-Academy level (U-14s) should be to develop towards the team’s system, not the current head coach.
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by Dave Clark on Aug 25, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Having a clear identity also helps when you hit the transfer market
Despite having a huge financial budget in the world of MLS the Sounders are relative minnows in the global transfer market. Having a clear identity helps focus your scouting on the talent that best fits your system and the culture of the team. It also makes your team a destination for other players and organizations with similar philosophies. The end result should mean signing more successes and fewer bombs. A real problem for most of the MLS teams as viewed by the amount of international transfer busts the league has seen.
Exactly
For example, if you’ve got $300,000 to spend on a transfer, which of the options available at that price range should you pursue? If you have an identity and a set idea of what your team should be in the future, you can decide which is best for you, and not go by who’s from the country with the best reputation or other such red herrings.
But injuries are part of the game
It’s nice to have a preferred system, but is it worth it to settle for your third string target forward simply because you have a preferred system, or do you recognize that you don’t have the horses to run what you want to run and switch to something else?
Say you run a lot of two tight end sets in football. And then three of your tight ends get injured. Do you keep running those sets with a number 4 tight end and your deep snapper? Or do you run something else? Obviously, that coach, in that scenario needs to alter his system.
I get it that we need to have an ideal system and our GM needs to focus his attention on players that fit defined roles, but right now, we don’t seem to have the personnel for our preferred system.
We are a young team and we’ll get there, but I’m talking about right now, this year. And stubbornly holding on to a particular system isn’t a luxury we have in our third year with our one year old academy and limited ability to buy talent.
by Jack Brando on Aug 25, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Systems aren't about 6 month periods of time
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Isn't the formation
or more accurately, the formation combined with way in which the formation is utilized the goal of the system?
I mean I get it that the system is more than simply a 4-4-2 as in some 4-4-2 are different than others. But whatever our 4-4-2 happens to be trying to do is our system, is it not?
The “system” is the personnel (whether developed through academies or drafted or traded or purchased) plus the coaching staff and how those two things implement the tactical goals of the formation.
Unless I’m missing something.
by Jack Brando on Aug 25, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
It's much more than that
An identity isn’t just one formation. Ajax is rigidly committed to the 4-3-3, but that’s their particular decision. To use a national team example, Brazil has a clear identity, but various formations have been used over the years. The consistent things are things like Brazil will be an attacking team, and one that relies very much on the individual skill of the players. When Brazil gets away from that identity, they have problems. The philosophical underpinning means that Brazil can transition from any tactical setup to any other and know what it will mean to them.
The Sounders could follow Brazil’s example and be less tactically rigid in their identity. But developing an identity will mean that they will know what they’re doing when they change up.
I think one major issue that is going to come into play with this discussion, especially regarding MLS, are the horrible finances of the top Euro teams.
Most of the top EPL teams are in massive debt, to the order of the hundereds of millions in some cases. The smaller revenue teams can’t even compete for a top four position without risking going under.
The La Liga season is still on hold because of their teams inability to pay the massive contracts they’ve signed with all of these world class players.
It’s hard for me to see how any of this is really going to be sustainable for the future. I also think that Eto’s signing to a Russian club is a sign of things to come.
I see this effecting the MLS pretty directly and pretty soon. With the DP rule our teams have the flexibility to sign two or three studs without having the salary cap destroyed. This also means that no one in MLS can go out and pull an EPL style shopping spree, which in my mind makes MLS a league on solid footing. Tactically, I think this benefits clubs with a solid identity on the pitch.
As more and more talent comes to play in MLS, it seems that teams like the Sounders who have started to use their DP’s on young players who fit their system rather than aging stars with huge contracts, are going to find much more success in the long run.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Aug 25, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Serie A is going on strike too
But it’s a two-fold problem, and only part of it is clubs not being able to afford huge contracts. In Spain, the bigger problem is the ability of smaller clubs, down to the third and fourth level, to pay any kinds of contracts at all. The players who aren’t getting their paychecks aren’t the Messis and Ibrahimovices of this world, but the guys making a few hundred bucks a week.
It remains to be seen if the supposed “Financial Fair Play” effort in UEFA will actually bear fruit. So far the clubs are acting as if they’ll be able to get away with it. The stranglehold of Barca and Real Madrid grows tighter and tighter in Spain, since both clubs are allowed unlimited debt financing that no other club can dream of. In England, the spending sprees of the don’t-care multi-billionaires continue. Can UEFA rein them in? I dunno. I hope so. I’d love to see Chelsea and Man City destroyed.
A large part of the reason why JDG is in Toronto is because he wasn't getting paid
And he was on a mid-table team in La Liga.
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You don't have to be at the top of the heap to have an identity
The biggest example of this is Ajax. Being in the Dutch league, which is not a final destination league, they can’t just wave their name around and bring in players. Instead, they’re invested in a system that finds and develops youth players and brings them up to their peak. Then when they’re there, they move them on to bigger clubs and bring up the talent they’ve been developing. Some of the best players in the world have come through Ajax, Wesley Sneijder and Zlatan Ibrahimovic being just two prominent examples. From what they’ve been doing, I suspect that the Sounders have Ajax in their minds as a model for the ideal MLS club. Also, a lot of the really successful Brazilian clubs are built this way as well. They know talent will be cycling through on its way to other destinations, but they develop and promote the talent that fits them.
An identity is a long-term perspective of the kind of team you want to be. It’s the fundamental philosophy that allows you to define what better or worse means in your context. If done correctly, this means you can make all your moves suit both the short term needs and long term vision.
Oops
and what does Ajax do when they have a player who doesn’t ideally fit one of the seven defined roles in that system?
by Jack Brando on Aug 25, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
4-3-3
Total football…big article on ESPN.com about it recently.
http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6609795/soccer-ajax-method-catch-us
The point is to avoid those kinds of players
Which they can do because they control their pipeline and transfer decisions are analyzed in the context of their system. If somehow a player who is unsuitable sneaks through, they make do until they can move him on as soon as possible and replace him with one that does.
Working as a unit is the important thing
The raw numbers of 4-4-2 or whatever are much less important than how the right two of the 4 work with one of the 2, or with one of the defensive 4 coming up on the wing, which boils down to how individual players work both with each other and within a system of movement.
If you look at how teams actually play over the course of a match, the “heat map” or other tools, you’ll see a wide variation in formations from the outset (some 4-4-2s are really 2-2-1-2-1-1-1s) but also an even wider variation in how the move. After all, football is not fussball. I’ve always thought it would be better to represent formations not by dots but by lines, or even connected lines (remember the old board game Twixt?) showing groups of linked players who work together. Subsystems, if you will.
My favorite thing in football is watching two players work together who develop that uncanny sense of each other. Good teams do this with more than two, but two are easier to watch. I remember a couple of years ago when Gareth Bale at Spurs was still playing as a back, on the wing, and struggled to do anything until Modric came in the squad, and the moment when they discovered how to work the overlapping runs up the side was just so beautiful. And when Bale moved up to midfielder, still on the wing, he took that step further.
In the same way, in a different part of the field, it’s been fun watching Rosales and Flaco learn to work together. I think all of our guys now, in fact, are actively looking for that connection with each other, which makes them better than they are as individual players. And you can see it with a player like Friberg, who gets it right sometimes but not others, and when he gets it he rises above his skill level, which is lovely. Similarly, Riley always seems to start the season with thirty or forty hundred-yard bombs into the far corner, but gradually over the season starts to figure out where people are more likely to be. Rangefinding, if you will.
If you have two players who work together in a particular way (or three, or four) you can replace one of them with a much “better” player who nonetheless makes the subsystem work worse. For example, you could import a world-class midfielder who continually squibs the ball into an wide open area where no one is ever there to meet it. The receivers may be good players too, but they’re in the wrong areas (or they may just not be good enough). The player is good, the system is good, but the two are not a match. The classic example of this is the club that rains crosses into the box all day but has no big man in the middle to pound them in.
I think “identity” is a good way to refer to this concept. I think the real difference between the really great teams and lower-level teams like the Sounders (speaking globally here, you understand) is that they have the skill to develop systems, or an “identity”, that reacts faster to situations, makes changes more quickly. We’ve all seen the Sounders put together some good linkage play, but they’re definitely slower at taking advantage of gaps that open up, and less accurate when they do, compared to a top European club. What makes Sigi a good coach is that he is pretty accurately tailoring our style of play to our abilities — we all wish he do this, that and the other thing differently, but I think he knows that we just can’t — we can’t put together Xavi-to-Iniesta-to-Villa plays. Fortunately nobody else can either!
The trick when bringing in new guys is, can they drop into this system, this team, and make it better? Which often means not “play better than the guy you replaced” but “make the guys around you better” by giving them better balls and better connections.
Great stuff!
Nice write up Carlos
I want to say in response to someone above that establishing an identity or a clear style of play has little to nothing to do with monetary resources.
Identity: it all starts and ends with the coach.
It is he who decides what will define his team. He must have a vision, an ideal. One which is not nebulous or a convoluted mixed bag, but rather obvious.
"Attacking soccer" or "Attractive soccer"; two terms thrown around ad nauseam are meaningless. What is that? These things do not define a vision or identity!
If a coach does not have one, then you’ve already failed.
The result is 11 players thrown on the pitch in some formation, and let’s see what happens. For 90 minutes every player is, for the most part, just improvising and doing their best with what they believe is the right decision. So you end up having no unification, and are at the mercy of individual player quality, pockets of unity, and randomness.
This is the exact situation we have at all levels of US Soccer, and yes including the Sounders.
Additionally, having a vision drives everything from player selection to tactics. You end up having a consistency in the roster. That is, there is little variation between player attributes for a specific position. For instance, Alonso & Carrasco are very close. But a Fernandez or Rosales are light year apart from Zakuani. And the attributes of your forwards are all over the place.
It’s backwards thinking of “tailoring a style of play to what you’ve got”. That right there, by definition, is not having an identity.
Thanks Gary
I have a question for you. You say an identity starts and ends with the coach, but in the two examples that come to mind of teams with really strong identities, Barça and Ajax, the identity has been consistently maintained over multiple coaching changes. That seems to suggest to me that the identity for each of those clubs goes beyond the coach and are transmitted through some other mechanism at the club.
This is something I’m really fascinated by, because I think the first MLS club to establish its vision and identity will come to dominate the legal for a good while, and of course, I’d love it if that club was the Sounders.
Good point
Ideally it should start at the club level. And a coach should be hired based on the club’s belief that he is capable of executing. But few clubs in the world are set up this way – Barca & Ajax being two. This model is what provides longevity of said identity.
However, it’s not required to have one.
For instance, if Seattle hired Guardiola, the team would acquire a clear style of play. With a couple months of real tactical work, we would see it – not 5 years later. (Obviously the more time passes, the more perfected things become).
Now, let’s say Guardiola left the Sounders after 3 years and Marcelo Bielsa came in. The identity Pep instilled would likely vanish and a new one will emerge that reflects Bielsa’s philosophy. But again, it will be crystal clear. The team will still have an playing identity, just a new one.
Certainly the best scenario is a club mandate, so that coaching changes don’t drastically alter the soccer. But it’s not required for your team to have some unifying style, philosophy, identity … instead of throwing 11 on the field in some formation.
Furthermore, while having the club mandate a certain philosophy is optimal, it doesn’t ensure execution. They have to get the coach right too! We’ll never know … but if FC Barcelona had a massive stroke and hired Bob Bradley or Bruce Arena, how long before the team is degraded beyond recognition?
I’m just trying to address 99% of cases where clubs try to hire the “best coach” they can. The objective? Winning of course. The guidelines? Play “attacking/attractive” futbol. And the interpretation of that totally ambiguous guideline is left up to the coach and whatever capacity he may possess. So that’s where we’re at.
Identity and Depth
Identity begins with the ownership and the brand the team wants to create. A coach is then hired to implement that identity at the tactical level. Yes, the team’s identity will be morphed by the personality of a coach and the exigencies of a day to day line up, but the identity is a product of the organization.
Look at the Sounders and Timbers, two MLS clubs with wickedly strong identities for young franchises. These identities took shape before the teams even fielded the pitch. Both teams have a clear idea of who they are and what they want to be as a franchise. Now look at Vancouver. Here’s an organization that simply looks lost on some levels.
The strategic side of identity also includes the deep roster signings of players like Levesque. In a salary cap controlled league like MLS, smart teams strategically plan for the roles of the bargain players on their roster. Yes, there is a primary allocation geared toward a particular tactical approach for the team’s current and future stars. But there is also an attention to the detail of who teams bring in to support those stars. Often these players epitomize the emotional side of the club’s desired identity. Roger Levesque is the quintessential Sounder in terms of his mental approach to taking the pitch. This isn’t a strategic accident. And it carries over to the tactical side of the game. When Sigi wants to make a point to a star player about his approach to the game, the player invariably sits in favor of one of the bench players who leave it all on the field.
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Abbott,
The Sounders and Timbers have a playing identity?
Indetity is a strategic process. How a team plays the game is a consequence of they identity.
I usually think in terms of Theory, Strategy, Tactics and Application. Theory is what you know. Strategy revolves around which pieces of that knowledge are pertinent to the current problem and the decisions about which pieces you will personally choose. Tactics create a specific physical plan to solve the problem based on your strategic choices. Application is the physical solution.
In this context, Identity is part of the strategic thinking. The tactics and application are a consequence of this strategy. In a franchise as young as the Sounders or Timbers, the application or on field performance is less likely to be consistent in terms of the team’s identity when compared to a team with the resources and historical experience of a squad like Barca. But this doesn’t mean that the identity isn’t there or that it doesn’t impact the on field results. The identity manifests itself in a multitude of ways from who the team hires as a coach, to how they build and modify a roster, to how the team is marketed. On field performance is often the slowest component to develop simply because it requires time to build and gel. Portland and Seattle both have a vision for how they see themselves. They aren’t there yet. But there is a cohesion to the pieces within the franchise including what they want on the field.
Remember, that it is possible that a team’s identity doesn’t require a single on field tactical system. It is easiest to see when this is the case, but it isn’t strictly necessary and may not even be warranted in a cap restricted league. The top players on a team will possess different skills and experience than the bargain players on the team’s roster. They are not a one for one replacement. Yet, part of a team’s identity may be that every player on the roster will compete in meaningful ways in meaningful games. In this identity, the coaching staff will need to adjust on field tactics from game to game in order to create a working mix of the players who are currently playing.
by Abbott Smith on Aug 26, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What in the world ...
If one can’t clearly state:
“My team plays like X”, then I’m sorry the team does not have an identity.
It just doesn’t.
Simple misunderstanding
We’re using the same word to describe two different things. You are using it to describe a team’s dominant playing style. I’m using it to describe the governing theme of an entire franchise. Neither usage is inappropriate nor are they mutually exclusive. In the best possible scenario the playing style is a logical extension of the governing theme of the franchise.
by Abbott Smith on Aug 26, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions

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