Get Ready to Get Sick of FC Dallas
It might seem like madness to start projecting playoff matchups when there's still nearly a third of the regular season yet to play, but the results this past weekend clarified the picture in two different ways.
First, the Sounders are almost certain to make the playoffs. This may seem like some uncomfortable pre-hatch chicken counting, but barring a cataclysmic series of injuries (knock on wood) Seattle will be in it. Thanks to the late win over Sporting Kansas City on Saturday, the Sounders now have 41 points. Our simulation has shown since nearly the beginning of the season that 45 points would be at or near the cutoff to make the playoffs (it's currently projected at just over 44). So to get to that minimum threshold, we need to pick up 4 points in 10 games, an absurdly low standard that even the Sporks maintained in the first stretch of the season when they were setting records for futility. Given that 6 of those 10 games are at home and only 5 are against teams projected to make the playoffs, I'm pretty confident.
The second question that was largely resolved this weekend was who would win the Supporters Shield (and therefore the first playoff spot in the West). FC Dallas was the LA Galaxy's primary competition (with the Sounders a little behind) but after beating up on the Toros in Carson this weekend, we now have the Galaxy with a 75% chance of winning the Shield. Seattle and FC Dallas are effectively tied at around 10% each, we give Real Salt Lake a puncher's 5% chance, and everyone else is a rounding error.
So with the #1 spot in the West drifting away, the #2 and #3 positions are looking increasingly likely to fall to two of Seattle, FC Dallas, and RSL. And with the Lakers' sudden drop in form and a much harder schedule going forward, the most likely result is that Seattle and FC Dallas split 2 and 3. And one of the quirks of the MLS playoff system is that it doesn't matter very much who takes which. Those two spots play each other in a home and home series to kick off their playoffs. The lower seed will host the first match, and there's certainly some advantage to getting the #2 seed and hosting last, but regardless the faces involved will remain the same.
I've gone through and calculated the probabilities of first round opponents that our sim spits out (including the remote possibility of no playoffs). As you can see, FC Dallas is by far the most likely first matchup:
| Team | Odds of first matchup |
|---|---|
| FC Dallas | 34.9% |
| Real Salt Lake | 15.3% |
| Colorado Rapids | 11.1% |
| Chivas USA | 8.2% |
| LA Galaxy | 6.7% |
| NY Red Bulls | 4.3% |
| DC United | 3.7% |
| Sporting KC | 3.4% |
| Houston Dynamo | 3.3% |
| Portland Timbers | 2.9% |
| Philadelphia Union | 2.3% |
| Columbus Crew | 2.2% |
| San Jose Eartdquakes | 1.0% |
| Chicago Fire | 0.4% |
| New England Revolution | 0.2% |
| No Playoffs | 0.2% |
| Toronto FC | 0.0% |
| Vancouver Whitecaps | 0.0% |
There are some interesting results in there. Like the fact that we're more likely to play a bad East team first than a good East team, since the only way we'd play an East team first is to be a wild card and we'd almost certainly be one of the highest seeded wild cards, meaning a likely matchup with a low seed. And the fact that we're more likely to play the New England Revolution in the first round of the playoffs than not make the playoffs at all. But regardless, FC Dallas stands out as the matchup to bet on. It's not greater than 50%, so the odds are actually that it's someone else, but if you had to pick one team to anticipate, that would be the one. And we have a 42% chance of meeting them overall, meaning there's another 7% chance that we don't meet them first but meet them in a later round of the playoffs, so we're almost at a 50/50 chance to face FC Dallas at some point.
But we won't have to wait for the MLS Cup playoffs to see the Texans on the field. After the Sporting KC match, our hardest match remaining on the schedule is unquestionably the matchup in Dallas in a week and a half. It's the only remaining away game against a winning team and it will likely have a significant impact on how the playoff race shakes out. Not only are the conditions likely to be miserable, it may well decide whether we or the Hoops would get the final home match of a two-legged playoff round.
And of course there's the US Open Cup semifinal match at home 10 days later — against that same FC Dallas. After beating the Rave Green in May on a Brek Shea wondergoal, Dallas has proven that they can overcome the home field advantage at Qwest-slash-CenturyLink Field. But can they overcome the advantage in the cozy confines of Starfire? This also has a chance of being the return game for David Ferreira, last season's MVP who's targeting a September return to the team after suffering a broken ankle two days after Steve Zakuani had his leg broken. A loss in that match would be a big blow to Seattle — a city that takes the US Open Cup very seriously.
So by the end of this season, I suspect we're going to have seen more than our fill of FC Dallas.
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Is this analogy about
players who have scored once against a particular team? Because that’s the only way it makes sense to me.
Broken Playoff Structure
The MLS playoff system is so screwed up that if the playoffs were today, the top 5 teams in the West all have better records than the top 3 in the East. Based on the records and the current playoff structure, the second and third best teams in the league will play in round one and the seventh and eighth best teams will play each other. In a season where every team plays every other team in the league twice, this is just sad.
The same can be said of any playoff system from time to time.
the 93 win ’03 Mariners sat out the playoffs despite a 90 win Minnesota team making it, and last years 7-9 Seahawks team despite 10-6 NY Giants and Tampa Bay teams not making the playoffs. The skill/talent levels will eventually shift back towards the East and the playoff system will look better.
Those leagues play unbalanced schedules
MLS had the opportunity to have the fairest playoff structure in American sports. In a balanced schedule, they should sort everyone 1 through 10 and go from there.
Conferences are meaningless holdovers from a time when travel was much more expensive. They don’t even mean anything in MLB and the NFL where the two conferences/leagues span coast to coast already.
I’d be in favor of killing all conferences in all professional sports. That way we’d be much more likely to see the two best teams from the regular season play each other in the finals.
Writer: CougCenter Twitterer: @GradyClapp
Totally disagree
Travel might be less expensive now, but it still clearly wears on the players. When MLS is at 25+ teams (and it will be some day), we’ll see closer, more competitive soccer if travel is limited. For baseball, it’s more of an issue with the constant, grinding schedule. The fewer times the Mariners have to fly to the east coast, the better.
Also, as a west coast sports fan, I hate it when games start on an east coast time schedule. This isn’t so much trouble for a weekend league like MLS or the NFL, but for something like baseball, the more Mariners games there are in the Pacific time zone, the easier it is to watch the games.
I think the bigger problem is the perverse incentives it can create
If I were Philadelphia or Columbus fans, I’d be rooting for them to lose out on the race for the East crown. The east first seed gets the privilege of facing the top wildcard winner, which looks very likely to be one of Dallas, RSL, or Seattle. The second has to face the third east team, likely to be New York or KC. Not pushovers by any standard but I’d rather play the second set of teams than the first.
by Tohoya on Aug 8, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But this is only an issue because the top 4 or 5 teams in the league are all in the West.
Once the talent level swings back towards the East, that won’t be as much of an issue.
Improvement from last year
There’s nothing wrong with the 7th and 8th teams playing each other, once you realize that it’s a play-in round and teams 6 and up get a bye.
Last year, Colorado, the 7th (and second-to-worst) seed played 4 games to win a championship—and only one of those was on the road, versus two at home and one neutral.
The point of this year’s system is that by playing each other first, it is now impossible for the WC teams to get a home game in the Conference Final the way Colorado did. If you’re a WC, then you will now have to play 5 games, which break down as 1-2 home (depending on whether you’re the higher seeded WC), 2-3 road, one neutral.
Even the 7th seed, who is theoretically a ‘better’ team (7/18 rather than 7/16) will have a tougher road than last season.
'Gentlemen' he said,
'I don't need your organization,
I've shined your shoes,
moved your mountains and marked your cards,
but Eden is burning.
Either get ready for elimination,
or else your heart must have the courage,
for the changing of the guards.'
by Sgc on Aug 9, 2011 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Worse haircut, Brek's nuevo mullet or Montero's classic rat tail?
Hot Topic vs Rustic Trailer.
It’s a tough call I think.
by DaveValleDrinkNight on Aug 8, 2011 10:33 PM PDT reply actions
"Everyone else is a rounding error"
I think this every night as I look around the harbor from the bridge.
You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. We are all around you, there is no escape.
by 108Ultra on Aug 9, 2011 9:53 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm already sick of Dallas
and especially Brek Shea, with his stupid yellow mullet and smarmy grin. I hope he takes a direct free kick to the nuts when we play them.
by Philip Mueller on Aug 9, 2011 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He's one player I love to hate
His smart-ass attempts recently to head the ball out of the keeper’s hands really get to me. He also does all sorts of cheeky little fouls when the refs not looking just to get his defender all pissed off. Every week I debate putting him on my MLS fantasy team. Then I realize how much I hate him.
by Dizzo on Aug 10, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
After we win @Dal on 20th & LA loses @NY on 28th it'll be game on for the SS
It’s not that crazy. NY is of course losing a lot these days, so maybe not.

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