CONCACAF Champions League, Herediano Vs. Seattle Sounders: 9 Points
Nine points. Through three matches of CONCACAF Champions League group stage play, the Seattle Sounders remain perfect after beating Herediano in Costa Rica 2-1. Just think about that for a second.
When CCL play started, we knew the Sounders would have two of their first three matches in Mexico and Costa Rica. Most of us would have probably begrudgingly accepted one point from those two matches and hoped to run the table at home. Instead, the Sounders are in a position to clinch a spot in the quarterfinals with a win at home on Tuesday against an Herediano team that will have just played a match in Costa Rica on Saturday.
It's a pretty amazing difference from last year when the Sounders were sitting winless at the same stage in the tournament, a fact that was not lost on Sigi Schmid.
"Last year we were disappointed in our performance in Champions League, maybe even a little bit embarrassed," he said. "It was definitely a goal we had set for ourselves that we wanted to get better as we came back into it. So we went 2-0 in our first three games on the road, which makes it even that much greater of an accomplishment. I'm very proud of what we have done."
Equally impressive as the Sounders' ability to put themselves in this position is that they did it in a way that seemed so ordinary. Sure, the win over Monterrey felt pretty monumental, but they did it with a heavy mix of starters and reserves. The win in Costa Rica was somewhat similar, with guys like Servando Carrasco, Nate Jaqua, Patrick Ianni and Zach Scott logging heavy minutes.
Both wins were very workmanlike, too. No special tactics. No amazing performances. Just some quality get-the-job-done style play that emphasized making the most of whatever opportunities there were. In other words, the Sounders made winning in Mexico and Central America seem normal.
A big portion of credit for Wednesday's win belongs to Fredy Montero. The often maligned forward had the kind of game that really exemplifies his skill set. His first goal was classic Montero: a wonderfully taken strike from space. His second was pure poacher: getting just enough of the ball to nudge it past the goal line. They were his third and fourth goals he scored in his past three games, interestingly enough in three separate competitions.
Nate Jaqua, who has never really found consistent form this year, had a pretty solid performance himself. In addition to hitting a shot off the post, he was also involved in both of Montero's goals. On the first, he perfectly cut a pass that gave Montero an open look at the goal. On the second, it was his header that sent the ball onto Roger Levesque, whose cross Montero put away.
Overall, it was the kind of performance we've now come to expect from the Sounders when they are faced with a tough situation. Coming off a disheartening loss a few days prior and preparing for another big MLS game a few days after, this could have very well been a game the Sounders overlooked. Instead, they managed to do multiple things at once, while expecting some of their lesser-used players to provide supplementary help.
Servando Carrasco once again proved a serviceable temporary replacement for Osvaldo Alonso. Scott showed that he's plenty effective when used in specific circumstances. Patrick Ianni had a wonderfully quiet day at center back. Leo Gonzalez continued to be option 1B at left back. Alvaro Fernandez looked right at home as a central midfielder.
Nine points in three CCL matches is no fluke. This team was constructed with this very thing in mind. It's nice when a plan comes together.
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great news w/ your tweet about Keller
Here’s the word on Kasey Keller’s availability for CCL: It’s not out of the realm of possibility that he could return for CCL play only.
Send that man out with a CONCACAF Trophy!
by Will Kier on Sep 15, 2011 12:16 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
yes
I agree sign him till the champions league is over
by alexyepz on Sep 15, 2011 12:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If Kasey signs for CCL duty only
will that still count against the MLS cap? Can Sounders get a Keller exemption like LAG gets Donovan/Beckham exceptions?
would count against cap
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 15, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
And more importantly roster space
because I could see Keller signing for a dollar + silverware to finish out CCL.
Are you sure the incoming keeper would want Kasey Keller breathing over his neck?
I love Kasey, but I’d prefer a clean retirement.
What happens if we make the CCL final and our starting keeper wonders why our starting keeper isn’t playing in the CCL final?
Nos Audietis
Depends who the starting keeper is...
A savvy vet like Marcus Hahnemann might take offense. A younger or less accomplished keeper like Boss probably wouldn’t mind as much. It really depends on whom Seattle decides to bring in (or not bring in) during the off-season.
If we're playing a "less accomplished keeper like Boss" as our #1 next season
my alcohol cabinet better get a thick lock on it
Nos Audietis
Or a bag of many tricks with extra alcohol
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More extended answer..
My response assumes that we will be playing a very experienced, very good goalkeeper in league play next year. There’s no reason to think otherwise.
Nos Audietis
Assuming Boss is back next year...
Sigi will have three young keepers they like. It’s not out of the realm of possibility they give one of them the opportunity to be the starting keeper. Myself…I’d prefer they bring in a veteran.
good game
I want to see us win MLS cup n us open cup N the champions league we can do it we have the right players for the job. also montero played like the star he is we have a great team right now
by alexyepz on Sep 15, 2011 12:38 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Let's win the group
The nice thing is, if we win the next two games, we’ll win the group. This is totally making up for the disappointing run last year. Not that winning the group guarantees a soft first round match-up, but it sure helps a ton. Getting through the first round is the toughest part given that it would be the first competitive match of the year.
Once agian, showing our depth
The Sounders may not win all four trophies this season but I think they have really proven the importance, and strength, of an overall good team. Right now almost every player being paid to wear an SSFC jersey has contributed to inching toward a trophy.
Rather than the LA/NY approach of having a few really talented players that, not only make or break the teams, but also dominate the spotlight, Seattle’s approach has been far more communal. Every player has had an opportunity to shine. It also means that every player knows they have support if they aren’t entirely on their game. Even though Montero has always been on his game, we haven’t always needed him too and I think this has helped him recently not get overexcited now that he’s hot.
Roger and even Nate impressed me tonight as well. They played as well as any of our current MLS starters have been. I think the excellence of our whole team creates a really good environment for personal improvement.
another great game. Sigi continues to impress.
We're the only 'perfect' team in the CL right now.
Take that in for a second. Feels good, man.
by Jason Riptide on Sep 15, 2011 1:40 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Is it 13 pts to clinch top of table?
I know a win on Tuesday would put us in the quarters but someone help me with my math…or is it because everyone has 3 more games I should just stop and enjoy?
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by chrisso on Sep 15, 2011 8:42 AM PDT via iPhone app reply actions
I think if Communicaciones wins all their matches from here on out
they’ll make 15 points (they’re at 6 points with 3 matches left to go). So in terms of being mathematically certain, we need 15 (and to have a better GD than Communicaciones). Now, there’s probably not a great chance they’ll do that as their remaining games are (I think) @ Montrrey, @ Herediano, and vs us.
Realistically, I think if we win vs Herediano at home next week, I think 12 points would probably clinch first in the group. 13 points would be near airtight. Communicaciones would have to have 2 ties and a win and a better GD or 3 wins to finish above us. Monterrey is a little more dangerous still, I think. They would have to win every game to make 12 points, but they do play Herediano and Communicaciones in Monterrey, and us in Seattle.
Won't know what it takes until after rd 4
Let’s assume Sounders win and Com-Mont tie again:
Sounders 12 pts
Comunica 7 pts
monterrey 5 pts
herediano 0 pts
in this case, yes, 13 pts would clinch, as long as we tied comunicaciones
if comunicaciones beats Monterrey and we beat herediano:
sounders 12
comunica 9
monterrey 4
herediano 0
in this case, 13 points would not clinch group unless we tied comunicaciones
if monterrey beats comunicaciones, we beat herediano
sounders 12
monterrey 7
comunicac 4
herediano 0
in this case a tie against monterrey would clinch our spot atop the group.
the short answer: it totally depends.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 15, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Monterrey and Comunicaciones didn't tie last night
So their points would be 4pts, 3pts and 6pts respectively.
whoops!
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 15, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's try this again
Sounders win, Comunicaciones beats monterrey again
Sounders 12
Comunica 9
monterrey 3
herediano 0
We need to tie comunicaciones to win group
sounders win, monterrey wins
sounders 12
monterrey 6
comunicac 6
herediano 0
13 points clinches no matter what
sounders win, com-monterrey tie
sounders 12
comunicac 7
monterrey 4
sounders need 13 pts to clinch
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 15, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Incidentally
If Monterrey beats Comunicaciones next week, am I not right in thinking that a win in Herediano does not ensure we go through? If Monterrey were to go WWW and Comunicaciones went LWW, we would then be looking at a WLL finish and three teams on 12 points with a 4-2-0 record, in which case it would come down to head-to-head record.
a win against herediano puts us through no matter what
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 15, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
tiebreakers are GD
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 15, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
If all three teams have 12 points, GD could be the tiebreaker,
but only in matches between the teams concerned because if it happens that all end up with 12 points, it means they will (Sounders, Monterey, and Communicaciones) all have four wins and two losses and 6 points from head to head matches, which is the first criteria. The second tiebreakers is GD among teams with the same number of points.
As right now, Sounders 6 points, +4 in these matches, Communic. 3, -2 gd, and Monterey 0, -2. Two Monterey wins of 2:0 puts them at plus 2, which means it is not impossible for them to still win the first place.
Also, if two teams finish with the same number of points, the first tiebreaker is head to head, so if we and Communic. finish with 15 points, they would have to beat us 3:0 in order to claim the first place. I just do not see that happening, but I also do not see both of these teams having 15 points at the end.
you sure about first Tiebreak being head-to-head
Almost positive that first TB is overall GD, but i could be wrong…
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 15, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
It is on their website
I checked last night because I was not sure either.
http://www.concacaf.com/staticFiles/7b/72/0,,12813~160379,00.pdf
and I stand corrected...
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 15, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I think there could still be a 3-way tie that sees us get the short end of the stick, right?
If we all end up tied at 12 pts, it comes down to GD, doesn’t it? Let’s just hope we don’t have to find out.
Hm...
I was going off the Sounders’ release. But it does look like we could all end up with 12 points if Monterrey beats comunicaciones, although we’d have to get beaten very badly in our final two games for us to lose on GD.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 15, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
We have a very good GD
Our 4-1 win over Los Cremas gives us a nice margin of error. Los Cremas have to try and win on points since their GD is so much lower. Even in the case of a three way tie we should move on: Seattle (5), Monterrey: (3) and Comunicaciones (0).
If Monterrey beat Communicaciones next week (probably pretty likely)
and we beat Herediano (you’d hope that’ll be the case), we’re on 12 pts with 2 matches left.
Monterrey would be on 6 pts with 2 matches left.
Communicaciones would be on 9 pts with 2 matches left.
So I guess you’re right. At that point it would all come down to GD, I think, not head to head. You’d have to hope that we could at least get a tie in one of the remaining 2 matches, but they are arguably both pretty tough games.
Correct me if I'm wrong...
but if Monterrey beats Comunicaciones next week then Communicaciones would be on 6 points not 9 points with two matches left as would Monterrey.
All this talking about pulling a RSL is pissing me off.
I want to pull a Monterrey.
by Robert on Sep 15, 2011 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Somewhat OT, but still kinda CCL related
Did anyone else here watch Dallas vs Tauro last night? Jimmy Conrad is instantaneously the 2nd best commentator in American soccer. Some good analysis of the match along with comments like, “Wow, Zach Loyd looked like a member of Kobra Kai there.” (after a bad studs-up tackle by Loyd)
by Nevtelen on Sep 15, 2011 10:04 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I mentioned this last night in the gamethread
"He’s named Jean McLean. How awesome is that? That’s like if my parents named me Johnrad McConrad."
Also, when I look at him, he reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygYVxwInSOQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
by James Bray on Sep 15, 2011 12:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

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