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CS Herediano Nudges Past Seattle Sounders 1-0

When CS Herediano beat the Seattle Sounders on Tuesday night it was not because they dominated play. It was because the team in Electricity acted more like a car battery that was low on charge and couldn't push the starter over. There were only a handful of opportunities for either side and the Costa Rican team's keeper had a brilliant save or two that took a game from a possible draw to a 1-nil win. Previously on the night CF Monterrey pushed by CSD Comunicaciones 3-1 and the battle for Group D supremacy is up in the air.

While the lineup for Seattle was unconventional, it was one mainly built due to injury. Seattle had several attacking players out for injury, who were delayed in recovery or who had accumulated cards. Twenty-seven goals and twenty-six assists in all competitions were out for these reasons. Mauro Rosales and Alvaro Fernandez were the most known, but Mike Fucito, Brad Evans and Erik Friberg also could not go tonight. 27 goals and 26 assists. Sigi Schmid decided to go with three big men and bucket to get the victory, but it wasn't a lineup too different than one that won the game in Mexico.

What was different were the tactics that they used to try and beat Herediano. While the decision could have been made to start Fredy Montero instead of Pat Noonan, that was the only change that could have spurred the offense. But it wouldn't necessarily have shifted the poor choice of long ball tactics that went towards two paired forwards. One who doesn't win headers at the rate he once did, and the other who doesn't shoot when open in the box. Lamar Neagle was forced into early defensive work and it quickly became apparent why he never became the right back the team tried to develop in 2009.

Star-divide

Neagle sitting on that yellow limited his aggression in the attacking space. An aggression that was needed in the rare appropriate long balls down his flank. Instead those punts with prayers were up the middle into a scrum with Jaqua and Noonan in tight. There was no one in a CM/CAM space on a run. Both wide players were too far out for a knockdown ball. Too often those long balls didn't even go where position could be established. They were instead started from the centerbacks rather than stronger passers like Leo Gonzalez and Zach Scott.

The bucket with two defensive midfielders succeeded defensively. But they were left with too few easy passes and tried to force too much outside of their accurate ranges. Play became rushed without quick options. Seattle for so long has used many layers and strong short passing to move the ball quickly down the pitch. Tonight they skipped a layer, or two, or sometimes three.

Easy answers would be to blame a referee. Easy answers would be wrong. Slightly more thought could look at the lineup, but it wasn't horrid in the circumstances. Who occupied which spaces and how was more disappointing than who got the start. Still, it was apparent that even one entry of Osvaldo Alonso or Fredy Montero would have shifted things in the Sounders favor. Sigi waited too long, but after the shift Seattle was better.

The brightest spot on the night was probably Sammy Ochoa who we finally saw in a competitive match. His light was a little too late as well. Given the opportunity to essentially, but not literally, qualify for the knockout rounds this weakened lineup instead behaved as if facing a much weaker team than showed up in SoDo tonight. Herediano was better, but only marginally.

Seattle will have to wait until Round 5 of Group D to try and qualify. A round down in Guatemala that will be more difficult but will have 66% of that missing offense back. Things are not dire, but surely frustrating.

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My seatmates

Appreciated the screaming and cursing, whereas my neighbors would not.

by PatrickN on Sep 20, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Didn't realize my back door was open during 1st half

I’m sure my neighbors think I was about to kill someone…

by sorrodos on Sep 20, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

My parents

wouldn’t appreciated the screaming and cursing. It sucks i can’t be passionate at home. The only way i can really voice my disapproval passionately is on here. Its the only way i can vent with my parents home.

by gstommylee on Sep 20, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

even if

 i disagree with the ref in some way and my mom tells me to knock it off.

by gstommylee on Sep 20, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Looked like last year's team

Before we cut Ljunberg, disjointed, ugly, not much on goal, just weren’t yelling at the ref as much.

by Thalas on Sep 20, 2011 9:55 PM PDT reply actions  

But lasagna is quite delicious...

and tonight’s performance was not

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by Gene Um on Sep 21, 2011 12:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you skip layers when making it

It isn’t nearly as good.

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by Dave Clark on Sep 21, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Now I'm craving lasagna for dinner

When I layer it, I’ll be sure not to put any Noonan up top.

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by Gene Um on Sep 21, 2011 10:07 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Any of the Sounders think to go low

Seemed like 99% of their shots on goal showed off the Herediano GK’s hops. Time after time balls were served up high or headers where Cambronero snatched them up. At what point would any of the Sounders think to test the keeper low?

More frustrated at Sounders play than their misfortunes. let’s get back on the horse this weekend vs the Whitecaps.

by beejay76 on Sep 20, 2011 11:04 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

I thought the same thing during play.

It seemed like Sigi and co went in with the idea of using their greater height to advantage, and so the plan was lots of high crosses and shots, while looking for set piece opportunities. Once that became apparent it wasn’t going to work, I was left wondering when Carrasco or (later) Alonso would try to drive some low balls in, even from distance.

by The King of Norway on Sep 21, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Their Keeper Thought This Too....

He seemed to figure out early that we were playing long ball and high cross and he anticipated and cheated on all sorts of crosses. I kept thinking he might get burned when we figured it out….but I’m not sure the lineup we had out there was dynamic enough in attack to do so. I give their keeper credit…he played brilliantly – not just with some wonderful athletic saves, but re: tactics as well. He’s really poised for a 24 year old.

by exSlacker on Sep 21, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was wrong

I initially liked the starting forwards set. Jaqua, Noonan and Levesque are all set-up guys and I figured if they didn’t have an obvious scoring threat on the field, then all three of them would need to be a little more selfish offensively. I thought with Montero, they’d all be funneling to him and it’d be too easy to defend. I was very wrong. There was no punch, no threats. Too many passes and too many turnovers. Ozzie and Freddy – wow. Such a difference with them on the field. They earn their money. Clean first touches, moving forward.

The goalie pulling a hammy at the end almost brought the demise of my TV set. 5 minutes or rolling around, and then hop up and kick the ball 50 yards. WTF. Sanyang – not brilliant today, but I can see potential. Levesque – I’m rooting for him, but he hasn’t been much better than a neutral the last few games. Noonan – I’m not a Noonan hater like others, he has a role on the team. Jaqua – sigh. Tough to watch as you’d like to go out playing well. Sigh. OBW, Ochoa, Fucito, Montero, DP to-be-signed. No room for him next year. Leo – where was the juggling/dashing Leo we saw in Herediano? It was there in the first 10 minutes, and then?

Too bad, because a win tonight would have really opened up our schedule and allowed starters to focus on Open Cup. Now, travel teams and line-ups will get really interesting – we need a result next week at Communicaciones.

by InternetCharlie on Sep 20, 2011 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I wouldn't call myself a "hater"

But I’ve long realized that the players I’m least enthusiastic about are Noonan and Jaqua.
“Thanks Nate, you’ve been great, but now your time has come…”
I have a feeling that Noonan would make a good coach somewhere.

by Lose-Lose on Sep 21, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

What a crappy performance

Why did we march out the scrubs? Fans paid for tickets and they were ripped off. They should all get a refund.

by Kevin Higginbottom on Sep 20, 2011 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

because so many guys were injured?

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by Dave Clark on Sep 20, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny thing is - on my way out tonight..

…over heard more than a few with that almost exact comment.

by Timm Higgins on Sep 21, 2011 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I paid to go to this game

and I don’t feel I deserve a refund just because we lost.

Recessionproof since 2009.

by 253Sounder on Sep 21, 2011 12:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I got a refund that I didn't ask for

I know that we were still in Act I, and the FO was worried about deflation in the number of season ticket holders. I did not ask for a refund for the LA game, and I will never ask for a refund. The entire idea is ridiculous. For the record, it’s all TicketMaster and I never saw a check, it just went toward my tickets for the next year.

As STH, we have a right (by charter) to officially question the leadership of the club. I think that Sigi fielded a questionable lineup, even with the injuries that limited his choices. With Jaqua and Noonan on the field, there simply wasn’t enough speed or ingenuity to make anything happen. Once Alonso and Montero came in, the level of play rose immediately. Sigi introduced far too many variables in a match that could have punched our ticket to the knockout round.

Don’t ever ask for a refund. Do you really want your money back? I’m sure that the TA would send you $10 just for the chance to use you as a poster child.

by myrias on Sep 21, 2011 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Servando Carrasco.

Other people seem to love to sing his praises. What does he bring to the team that I’m not noticing? he’s never in a position to receive the ball, he’s not a great tackler and he’s not a great passer… and yet he gets big chunks of playing time. It just seems like he takes all of the cohesion out of our midfield, which really hurts when you field a side with basically no creativity. I think playing him and Sanyang together tonight showed how far both of them had to go. Still… if we can snatch a point in Guatemala and win on Saturday, all is forgiven.

by connorb3 on Sep 21, 2011 12:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Remember he's a rookie

As such he is pretty darn good at winning the ball in midfield. His short passing game isn’t bad either. As much or more than we could reasonably respect from a 2nd round draft choice/rookie reserve.

by Dizzo on Sep 21, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

The lineup "wasn't horrid in the circumstances"...???

Sorry, but I beg to differ. Any lineup with a front line made up of the clumsy, immobile Jaqua and Noonan is horrid under any circumstance. I understand that injuries and suspensions took away several key offensive players, but that’s no reason not to use those weapons still available to you. Instead, we were given a lineup for the first two-thirds of the game whose sole offensive threat was…Lamar Neagle. That’s a losing proposition, no matter who is the opponent.

Can there be any doubt that, had we started the game with the personnel with which we finished it, we would have come away with at least a point and likely all three? As it was, this team essentially had to play defense for all ninety minutes, but only got thirty in which to play offense. Utterly frustrating, especially when this game was, let’s face it, our best shot at sewing up advancement. It’s not impossible from here on in, but it sure became a lot more difficult.

by regnaD kciN on Sep 21, 2011 12:50 AM PDT reply actions  

honestly...

we’re never going to be able to legitimately judge whether the staff’s decision that Montero and Alonso were not 90 minutes fit was the correct one. What’s odd is that they played 78 and 90 minutes, respectively, of a game that was 2-0 at half and 3-0 at 60’, with full understanding that Rosales would not be starting the Tuesday game and that Fernandez would not be available. Overall the team has done an outstanding job of juggling playing time under fixture congestion duress. I think we can legitimately say that this is a particularly harsh circumstance that probably could have been handled better/differently (imho). Levesque, Noonan and even Jaqua have had some effective moments this season, but at least someone from the core of this team (Montero, Fernandez, Rosales, Alonso) tends to need to be on the field for this to happen. Whatever lineup juggling you’re planning, make sure one of those players is in the game.

by nimajneb on Sep 21, 2011 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

All of the subs on Saturday's game were practically forced on Sigi

Fucito was hurt and needed to be removed. Evans was coming off an injury and probably wasn’t up for 90 minutes. I guess Sigi could have pulled Rosales instead of Montero, but he only has 3 subs. He can’t take off everyone.

"The fans are excited. And the stadium, well, it ignites with explosion."

by DarthGreedo on Sep 21, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

but not the timing.

…if you know that Fernandez and Rosales will be unavailable, and you plan to rest Alonso after playing him 90, then you take Montero off at half. If for whatever reason that still wouldn’t let Montero start Tuesday, you can start Carrasco in place of Alonso and save him for the next game. The point is that those four players are pretty vital to the proper function of this team, and things could well have been arranged to have one of them take the field.

by nimajneb on Sep 21, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

who takes a productive player off at halftime?

The game was 2-0, we’ve seen plenty of teams — including the Sounders — blow 2-0 leads.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 21, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

resting key players in anticipation of important midweek games...

is pretty common to my limited experience. If the choice comes down to taking off 1 starter from a home game you’re winning 2-0 and not having a creative attacker in your key cup match, the former clearly represents better risk management.

…this of course sets aside the fact that the game was clearly over at 3-0 at 60’ and Montero stayed on the field until 78’.

The likelihood of giving up the lead at half was very low. The likelihood of giving up the lead at 60 was miniscule. The likelihood of this group of offensive players struggling against Herediano was very high. If you can’t bring yourself to sub them off, rest them. If you think the home CCL match sitting at 3-0-0 isn’t important enough to rest a core player, you’re wrong (imho… I know you aren’t making this argument, necessarily, Jeremiah… I’m just carrying it out to respond to what may have been Sigi’s thought process).

by nimajneb on Sep 21, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Come on...

You really think the difference between Montero’s readiness to start on Tuesday was playing those extra 18 minutes on Saturday? That seems somewhat less than realistic.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 21, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

...which I've already answered.

If it doesn’t make a difference, take him off at half.

If THAT doesn’t make a difference, rest him against D.C. or rest Alonso in favor of Carrasco.

by nimajneb on Sep 21, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's just such an easy thing to say in hindsight, is all

First off, I’m not sure anyone in their right mind takes off Montero at the half of a game which you are leading 2-0. I’m not sure I agree with the idea of sitting one of your best players for a league match just so you can use him for a full 90 against a team you feel you are already superior to. Playing him 78 on Saturday and hoping you don’t need to use him on Tuesday seemed like a solid gamble. I don’t think your suggestion exemplifies better risk management, I think it displays a desire to second-guess a tough choice that is perfectly defensible.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 21, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Soccer’s substitution rules make it impossible to “pull” your starters after a game has begun. Looking at the schedule upcoming i would have planned for things exactly like Sigi did. The DC game was against a better opponent and was more important to the teams future then the CCL game.

They should have gotten a result with the lineup they put out there. Last night, and if they did Sigi would be lauded as a genius.

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by DarthGreedo on Sep 21, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, I don't agree...

If you look ahead at your personnel decisions and say “I won’t have any choice but to put Noonan, Levesque and Jaqua on the field at the start of the game without a creative attacker in support,” then you need to change things around. if that means you don’t put your best 11 on the field in a league game against a team “you are already superior to” then so be it.

As to the hindsight… I was making the point concerning the maligned trio well before the game.

by nimajneb on Sep 21, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's where I think we differ

You make it sound like it was an obvious choice. You can certainly disagree with Sigi, and I think you have plenty of cause for it, but to say that your preference “clearly represents better risk management” is just making it sound like a much simpler issue than it really is.

Last night’s game was not a must-win. It represented a great chance to make our lives easier. But gaining points in league, especially when so much is in play, has to be the higher priority in this situation.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 21, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Must win ?

Maybe not, but now they are in a situation where they can’t lose a million miles away or they need to beat Monterrey.

Assuming Comunicaciones and Monterrey both win against Herediano, now that puts us all at 9 points, with the Sounder playing both of them. A couple of ties puts us through ( head to head I would assume being the tiebreaker ), but you are playing very difficult games…two losses is not out of the question.

by Charles J on Sep 21, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's not out of the question, you're right

But neither was expecting to win with the lineup we put out on Tuesday.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 21, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

weighing...

-strong chance of advancing in champions league and having an improved 1st round matchup, significantly improved lineup vs…

-minor chance of supporters shield, relatively small change to lineup

Thanks to the presence of Fernandez and Rosales, the harm done to the DC lineup by reserving Alonso or Montero is significantly less than the benefit to the Herediano lineup.

by nimajneb on Sep 21, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Terrible game from SSFC. ABSOLUTE S^&T!

I know that injury and cards had a lot to do with it but jesus that was awful to watch!

by DaveValleDrinkNight on Sep 21, 2011 2:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I left the country before the Manchester United friendly.

It kind of sucked having to wait a couple weeks to see a victory. But then the Monterrey game was on TV here, and all was well.

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by mistuhp on Sep 21, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sigi

I can’t be alone in thinking that Sigi actually thought that Jaqua, Noonan and Levesque could help Neagle offensively.

He has played Noonan in way too many of the last 10 MLS games…it should be zero….to say otherwise.
He has shown many times that he doesn’t believe that we need speed out there on the turf.
He chose Jaqua over LeToux AND Nyassi. Beyond belief, but true.

by Charles J on Sep 21, 2011 6:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Take a look at the numbers

2009 Jaqua was actually really good. 9 goals and 7 assists in 2488 minutes. Le Toux had 1 goal and 3 assists in 1495 minutes.

And Nyassi never impressed me. But I will agree that its odd that Jaqua was protected even though he only played 400 minutes last year and didn’t get any goals with 4 assists.

by Derek R on Sep 21, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Line-up and play

We threw a line-up in that just didn’t have ball control. No one could pass effectively, and when they did the player receiving the ball wouldn’t control it, and instead give it right away. As soon as Alonso and Montero came on, that changed. EVERYONE started controlling the ball better (although there were still some give-aways). Montero would take a miss hit pass that’s not to his feet, control it, then distribute it again.

I have to agree that Ochoa was a very bright spot. I don’t understand how a player can be only 30 minutes match fit, when he played in Mexico? He had to be practicing and running right? Or was he just sitting around down there doing absolutely nothing and showing up to matches? In my opinion, Ochoa had awesome control, body strength and skills. I’d love to see him up top with Montero with the normal 4-4-2 and starting 11. I think that with Rosales, Montero, Ochoa, and Fernandez, we could see some awesome passing scenes to set up some nice goals.

I can’t blame Sigi for putting out a sub-par offense, he put out what he had and could given the scenario he was in. Montero and Alonso were coming off a Saturday game and playing again in 3 days takes a toll, so you want to try to save them for the next weekends games. The line-up otherwise wasn’t that bad either, just needed to calm down and control the ball better.

Also, to note: Neagle needs to stop challenging and stay on his feet. He doesn’t have a good challenge, and rather should just play a Zakuani type roll where he stays forward and uses his speed. He needs someone else to control the ball and distribute to him.

by Toxtr3m34u on Sep 21, 2011 7:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Noonan, Jaqua, Levesque all starting at forward is the recipe for the type of match we saw

it’s three of the same type of player, none of whom are particularly creative, but who work in their roles as long as the supporting cast is there. I can’t help but think that starting even one of Friberg, Alonso, or Montero would have given us the W. Missing Flaco and Rosales is a killer as well, but obviously that’s not a roster decision since both were unavailable.

That being said, I mean, really. Full credit to the Herediano keeper. He had a pretty awesome match, and the free kick they scored on was basically about as perfect as you can hit it in that situation. (We’ll ignore his end of game antics for a moment). Should’ve been able to grind out a draw, but we walk away with zero points. Disappointing, but it’s not the end of the world. And Sigi knew this match was relatively meaningless in the grand scheme of things, since 1 more point will more or less put us through. I’m a little frustrated he put out a line up that played for 1 instead of 3, but I suspect that having our healthy players at full strength on Saturday is probably the better outcome.

by Kingdomer on Sep 21, 2011 8:10 AM PDT reply actions  

All good points

This was a perfect game for experimenting with a different lineup and tactics: competitive but not critical for advancement. Of course, most folks here could have told Sigi beforehand that Lenoonqua and long balls would fail, but now the data are before his eyes (again), hopefully he’ll take it to heart this time.

by Philip Mueller on Sep 21, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree on experimenting

I actually went to the match hoping to see the likes of Ochoa, Sanyang, Carrasco & Ford. This was a rare opportunity for the coach to start bench players in a game we didn’t need to win. Frustrating level of play at times, but we certainly didn’t have our backs against the wall in Group D.

by wmknickers on Sep 21, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Zach Scott

Why no mention of Scott’s poor performance? He’s usually pretty good in the air and a passable defender, but oh my god does he make some awful decisions with the ball. Keller was livid with him multiple times last night. He gave the ball right to the other team several times (his M.O. at this point) and made one or two dangerous passes across the middle of the back. All Keller could do was throw up his arms in question.

by Milo1 on Sep 21, 2011 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

I believe

He also committed the foul that led to the goal – and then had an argument with Keller about it. Frankly I was astonished it took that long for something bad to happen from his play, since besides some of the hospital passes he played into midfield he’d played at least two balls across the top of box that were almost intercepted.

by Targaff on Sep 21, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scott played his part in our failures

But it was our lack of creativity in the attack (and granted, terrible possession) that really decided this match. And besides Scott played so well in the Open Cup semi that I can forgive a few poor performances. He also doesn’t terrify me anymore like he did earlier in the season.

by Zakuani11Fan on Sep 21, 2011 10:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

When a team has two good chances, and makes one

Focusing on the defense as a failure rather than the offensive failures seems odd.

On average a home team in CCL scores two goals, gives up one. The offense failed.

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by Dave Clark on Sep 21, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The lone starter that seemed to have a good game was El Presidente.

He seemed to shut down everything that came his way. He probably had a lazy pass or two but nothing to nitpick.

Whatever the game plan was, the team looked like they didn’t understand it. Both the old boys and the rookie’s looked confused.

But on the bright side, Montero’s footwork was freaking incredible. His quality shone like a golden beacon in the night.

by butterGlory on Sep 21, 2011 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

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