Seattle Sounders Draw CSD Comunicaciones 2-2 Advance To Knockout Rounds
When Joe Roth announced the Seattle Sounders Football Club he said that he wanted to compete on the international stage. In just two short years they showed up on that stage, and were crushed. Now, in just their third year the advance to the CONCACAF Champions League Championship Round after a 2-2 draw against CSD Comunicaciones of Guatemala. In a game that was full of rapid transitions it was the tenacity of Osvaldo Alonso around the offensive third that grabbed the point. Scoring two goals (44th, 89th) off the rebound he became the fourth Sounder to record two for this CCL season.
It was a shaky game, one in which the result was in doubt for too long. Not only did a Kasey Keller misclearance in heavy traffic wind up in the net when Comunicaciones scored their second (64th), the Cremas were able to take advantage of wide centerbacks and poor attempts at the offside trap to get their first (7th). It seemed that this method would work for another at various points. Only a poor call be the referee kept the Guatemalan side from an earned penalty when Jhon Kennedy Hurtado pulled a man down.
But, calls go against teams. The Rave Green have been victim to that. Ideally that works its way out in the end. While there is no direct correspondence in this match. Seattle will take it. In Round 6 at CenturyLink Field on October 18th Seattle will face Monterrey for first in the group. The Sounders will have to play better if they want to take that first place spot, but a draw would be enough.
Seattle's defense was too open, spread too wide. As Alonso was so often in the attack, along with one of the fullbacks, it meant that there were only 3 deep covering the defensive third. They tried to cope playing the trap. It worked less often than designed and Comunicaciones players can only blame themselves for the lack of scoring. Either Erik Friberg needs to drop deeper or neither fulback can go forward when Alonso is in the attack. High pressure can also force bad long passes to compensate for the lack of numbers defensively.
Lamar Neagle will probably admit that he didn't have his best game. He forced a few shots and attempted rapid interplays too often wound up as turnovers. Friberg was patient, possessive and won a few balls more than expected. In some ways he was a better version of Sturgis or Vagenas playing a narrow box-to-box role that settled things down and reset the attack.
Though none of the forwards scored, they got their looks. Fredy Montero would pop-up throughout the pitch and initiate attacks. He would use triangles with Alonso or Alvaro Fernandez. He'd find slots to sting the ball into Mike Fucito. He attacked the goal and one of the saves of his shots became the tying goal. Fucito too had opportunities, most notably a one-on-one with the keeper sprung by his own speed that he mishit becoming an easy save. Substituting on and changing up the offense was Sammy Ochoa. As the Sounders were lofty cross happy on the night it was a solid move, but like too many tall men in the target role Ochoa's headers never threatened.
Coach Sigi Schmid pulled out Friberg and put in Servando Carrasco. That improvement in defensive posture helped the offense, as it meant that they had another man back on the counter. Fullbacks could more thoroughly commit and Alonso could continue his strong attacking game. Later Nate Jaqua would come on for Neagle. It wasted a bit of time, improved the posture of the team in dead ball situations and put Jaqua in a midfield role where he tends to look more comfortable.
The path to the result may not have been pretty. But Honey Badger Don't Care.
The Seattle Sounders are still alive in the regional championship advancing to the knockout round with a shot at winning their group.
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CCL Knock-out stage draw
How are knock-out stage seedings apportioned? It’s time to ask the question because that’s exactly where we are headed.
It's CONCACAF so it could change
Officially the draw is random seeding first seeds in one pot and seconds in the other.
There is no exclusion to facing a team from the same nation/league.
Last year it randomly happened that all the Mexican sides were on one side of the bracket.
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Possible Opponents
In which case if one had to field a wild guess:
most likely opponents if we Tie/Win v Monterrey: Dallas; Metapan, Alajuelense/LA Galaxy
most likely opponents if we lose to Monterrey: Monarcos Morelia; Santos Laguna; Puman UNAM
In other words a tie at Monterrey saves us from Mexican Competition and more likely places us in MLS competition for the first round of the knock out phase
CCL Predictions
Quarter Finals
Seattle 6 over Santos Laguna 5 aggregate
Monarcos Morealea 4 over Dallas 2 aggregate
LA Galaxy 6 over Pumas UNAM 5 aggregate
Monterrey 7 over Metapan 4 aggregate
Semi Finals
Seattle 6 over Monarcos Morelia 5 aggregate
LA Galaxy 8 over Monterrey 8 aggregate PKs
CONCACAF Champs league final will feature sounders downing LA Galaxy
by RalfZakuani on Sep 27, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd almost rather lose knowing that we could dodge the Galaxy
We are NOT good against the Galaxy.
Still, when they don’t care, we’re better than them…
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Sep 27, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Galaxy
In a hypothetical first round home and away knockout phase of the CCL, I think I’d take my chances against a premiere Mexican Squad as vs. against the Galaxy too, if for nothing else than I’d rather lose to a Mexican side than the Galaxy. We have to be able to be both types of quality either way to win the competition so if we lose we lose.
by RalfZakuani on Sep 27, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep in mind that the 2012 Gals may not be much like 2011...
There’s every reason to believe that Egotistical Spice and Landycakes, and maybe some of their other players as well, may move on after this season — especially if they should finally win the MLS Cup this time around. (Of course, if they don’t…well, you complete the thought.) We, on the other hand, should have Stevie Z back.
by regnaD kciN on Sep 27, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Check this out
Just a quick blurb supporting your guesses.
Two teams from each four-team group advance to the quarterfinals, with each group winner drawn to face a runner-up from one of the other groups. The draw which establishes the quarterfinal pairings also determines the potential semifinal matches. – Source: http://www.concacafchampions.com/page/CL/Competition/0,,12856,00.html
With Pumas tying Toronto tonight that opens the door for Dallas to win there group. But otherwise your guesses seem spot on. Here’s the link to the CONCACAF Champions League standings: http://www.concacafchampions.com/page/CL/Standings/0,,12856,00.html
A Sonics fan without a team... but after 7 seasons now of GS Warriors season tickets have convinced me to adopt the boys from Oakland.
Great to see Sounders advance out of group stage, but
it worries me to see the defense get beaten the way they have in the last two games.
by Eastside Ajacied on Sep 27, 2011 9:45 PM PDT reply actions
Per Josh, SEA is first MLS team to win all Group away games in MX/CA
The records keep on fallin’
by Brougham Hooligan on Sep 27, 2011 9:52 PM PDT reply actions
I'm assuming you mean win or draw, correct?
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Sep 27, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Correct. Not lose away in MX/CA
When you consider it, that is quite the accomplishment.
by Brougham Hooligan on Sep 27, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I assume you mean me...
as i was the one who tweeted that out, altho i said first to go undefeated.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 27, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
that said...
I don’t mind being confused for Josh.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 27, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Notable that by advancing out of Groups
Seattle gets more Allocation Money for the 2012 season. That can help keep a player who otherwise would have cost too much (Alonso, Rosales) or towards acquiring a new player. Remember Allocation Money is not counted towards the cap.
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My read is that A-Money is given to all CCL qualifiers
nothing about advancing to knockouts. This from the league website
Funny, too, is that it also says that allocation is given to teams that FAIL to qualify for the MLS Playoffs. So maybe Vancouver’s strategy is to stay below the yellow line each year and save up for someone the like’s of Henry. Must be following the NY Red Bull ownership manual.
There are particulars that aren't fully disclosed
Adrian once noted that only those in Group Stage get it and then those that advance to each subsequent round get more.
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There's a limit on how much allocation one team can have...
I believe it’s 600k
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 28, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
That's from an individual transfer right?
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It is...
But I think it may be the same for the total amount allowed in the allocation pool.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 28, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
That would suck
Sell a great player after missing the playoffs and you only get one benefit
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Did we get a hint on who starts USOC Final?
Save for the probable recovery of Riley and and maybe Rosales, this could be the starting lineup for next Tuesday, no? I would never think Sounders to throw a game but @NE Revs could be one to throw out Carrasco, Sanyang, heck maybe even Josh Ford?
I guess Evans was left out tonight and should be considered in the Cup lineup.
Evans v Friberg I think is purely a health/fitness debate Tuesday
Riley > Scott
And Mauro could bump Neagle
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Even if Mauro doesn't return
I’d like to see Levesque or maybe even Evans on the wing instead of Neagle. Perhaps we try to play defensively and put out Carrasco in the middle with Ozzie so we can move Evans to the wing. Either way, I was not impressed with Neagle at all tonight.
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Sep 27, 2011 11:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Neagle off night
Just because Neagle had an off night in a torential downpour in Guatemala doesn’t mean he’s a bad choice against the Fire next week in Seattle. The biggest issue last night was shape. Alonso played as the CAM and it changed the team’s dynamic. Remember that it also exposed Scott. Neagle wasn’t at his best but a single rough game isn’t the end of the world.
by Abbott Smith on Sep 28, 2011 6:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
No reason to play defensively against Chicago
We have the talent advantage. We should exploit it.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 28, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
We do need to be better againt the long ball and the counter than we were tonight, though
Chicago has exactly 1 weapon – speed. If we play against them like we did last night, fate probably won’t be as kind as it was tonight. Oduro has actually been a decent finisher lately.
I was confused and was thinking of the Monterrey match
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Sep 28, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you know what's awesome?
The Sounders.
That is all.
by Jackington on Sep 27, 2011 10:49 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
This needs to be (Sounders) green.
I miss *REAL* Four Loko
by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 28, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Alonso said he scored twice because it's his wife's birthday
Somebody get him 364 more wives.
by Randy Meeker on Sep 28, 2011 12:02 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Allocation money
Aren’t we supposed to get extra allocation money for making it out of the group stage?
Missed penalty call aside...
…this was the best referee I’ve seen in CONCACAF. Can MLS hire him?
by deflater mouse on Sep 28, 2011 7:11 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Kidding aside
This is one of the problems with the current system. Unless I’m mistaken, federations can’t poach referees from others feds.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Sep 28, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Definitely
This was probably the first CCL game I’ve seen of ours where he quite literally made the exact same calls and no calls each way. Didn’t give them a penalty, didn’t give us a penalty. Yeah, individual calls I disagreed with, but that’s totally fine. That ref definitely seems like a pro, which is nice for a change.
You do all the work for us, Honey Badger, and we'll just eat whatever you find.
We qualify for the knockout round of the most important tourney we play in
And we don’t even get on the front of the sports section on a day when there was one other game… and we wonder why casual fans don’t know CONCACAF exists…
I met a possum.
Agreed about Neagle.
His first touch was really heavy tonight and he never seemed to get into a rhythm.
In general, the guys looked pretty tired out there in the second half. I’m really curious what kind of lineup we’ll see against New England. Will Levesque start in place of Neagle or even Fernandez? With Riley’s return will Scott or Ianni slide into the middle and give Parke a rest? I couldn’t care less about the result in NE with the USOC Final coming up…
I'm hoping we see full reserves
I don’t want anyone in the starting XI in the USOC final to even make the trip. USOC final is way more important than a league game when we’ve already clinche a playoff and hae a pretty solid hold on a bye.
They are already on the trip
The team isn’t coming home and then going to New England
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In that case
starting XI spa day! See Bunker Hill, ride the Ducks, maybe Fucito can drop by the old dorm room…
BOS > Seattle $336 on Continental
probably saves money for the Sounders since they won’t pay hotel or per diems. Gives the XI some days at home and time to recharge before Tuesday!
by InternetCharlie on Sep 28, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Roster Question.
So far the sounders appear to have registered 28 players in CCL. From what i have read the limit is 30. Does this reset for the Knockout round? If not it would mean that we can only add 2 more players. Asuming one will be Zac, that only leaves 1 more spot. Maybe if we sign another DP in the offseason he could be it. But that puts OBW out. It just sucks because i would guess that several of our current registered players (Jaqua, Noonan, Expanison draft pick) will still take up roster spots even if they are not with the team anymore.
Yes, the Championship Round resets
It is after a transfer window for EVERY league in North America.
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Take a moment and savor the implications of this question.
Realized as I was reading this question, just how special this is for us, the Sounders fans. The Sounders are a third year MLS team and we are getting to ask questions about how allocation money works in the knockout rounds of the North and Central American Champions’ League!
Think about that for a moment.
3 years and the team is playing in the Champions League knockout round. How many 3rd year teams struggle to even make the playoffs of their own league? Now stop and think about the fact that 6 days from now the Sounders look to become the first MLS team to win 3 consecutive USOC championships! The Sounders have secured their 3rd playoff spot and are currently in 2nd place in the entire league. The list of accomplishments that we have gotten to witness as fans of this organization is mind boggling. Especially, when you actually take a moment to look at it objectively.
I am grateful to the entire Sounders organization for the opportunity to experience this as a fan. And I just wanted to take a moment and savor just how special this all is.
by Abbott Smith on Sep 28, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Typo
Realized that I accidentally cut out a key element of my post. Should read:
… and we are getting to ask questions about how allocation money and roster spots work…
by Abbott Smith on Sep 28, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
...and on track to get 2nd place in the league again.
We were one made instead of missed PK by Ljungberg in that home game against the Crew i the 31st minute from getting the Supporters Shield in 2009. Don’t know why that stands out so strong to me still…
Not to derail how your point about how well the team has done and how spoiled I (we) are with it! :)
by SoundersForever on Sep 28, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite moment of the match
After the Alonso tied it at 2-2, suddenly Comunicaciones started playing with a little more urgency. On a goal kick Montero did his usual walk-slowly-in-front-of-the-keeper stroll to kill some time, and the goal keeper furiously gestured to the referee to get him out of the way.
Oh, sure, now you are concerned about time wasting Mr. Goalie. Are you now regretting collapsing on the ground with “cramps” after every ball you caught in the air for the previous 15 minutes?
For this reason
I loathe playing teams from Central America
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 28, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I definitely agree with that, but
OTOH, it’s really sweet to see all those frustrating time-wasting tactics blow up in their faces when they’re suddenly the ones needing another goal at the end.
Very true
You would like they would have learned their lesson from Erika….
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by B-Lot tailgater on Sep 28, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I like us playing south of the border this year.
9 points in 3 games. :)
by SoundersForever on Sep 28, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
They were like bowling pins
at one point there were two or three of them writhing around in agony in front of the goal.
Oh dios mio!! The pain! The pain!
by butterGlory on Sep 28, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I just realized that come March 2012 and the Championship Round of CCL, we'll also ...
…have Zakuani back in time for it?

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