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2012 MLS Draft: History Suggests Sounders Won't Find Scorer With Their Picks

Servando Carrasco may not be a star in waiting, but he's the kind of player the Seattle Sounders can hope to find with their 15th and 34th overall picks in Thursday's MLS SuperDraft.

The MLS SuperDraft is a bit of crapshoot, almost no matter where you are picking. If you happened to catch my article at SB Nation Soccer (link here), I tried to illustrate just how it is to find top talent. The later you get in the draft, predictably, it tends to go from playing craps to something more like roulette.

As it turns out, the Seattle Sounders are picking right about the point where the odds of striking gold start to get particularly long. Picking at No. 15 on Thursday -- barring any trades of course -- the Sounders are essentially hoping to find someone who can compete for minutes, and not much more.

I was curious, though, just how long the shots are of the Sounders finding a useful player at that point in the draft. What I did was cut my previous research into two parts, throwing out the players picked between 1-14 and focusing on players picked between 15-38 (the end of the second round this year) over the past four seasons.

Of all 96 players chosen between picks 15-38, just 19 of them have managed to appear in at least half of the games played since they were drafted. As it turns out, though, 12 of those 19 players were picked between 15 and 20. To me that suggests MLS talent evaluators are at least spotting the talent that's available. But it also suggests there's not much talent left at that point in the draft.

One other thing really jumped out at me: This is not where MLS teams find dependable scorers. I'll get into more detail later, but I couldn't find one reliable goal-scorer in the entire bunch.

After the jump I'll look at some of the kinds of players who have proved useful during this portion of recent drafts.

Star-divide

Tim Ream: If there's a poster boy for players who fell through the cracks, the New York Red Bulls centerback is it. Ream was the 18th pick in the 2010 draft, meaning he was skipped over by almost every team. (Fun fact: the Philadelphia Union passed on Ream three times.) No matter what you think of Ream, you have to admit that finding a player who has appeared in more than 90 percent of the games since he was drafted is definitely punching above your weight at this point in the draft.

Michael Stephens: The 2010 draft, it turns out, had a fair amount of value right around Pick No. 15. The LA Galaxy grabbed Stephens at No. 16 and have made good use of the midfielder. He hasn't posted flashy numbers, especially since cooling off after a fast start that saw him post six assists in his first 12 matches as a pro, but he has proven to be a solid contributor.

A.J. DeLaGarza: The No. 19 pick in the 2009 draft has managed to turn himself into one of the more interesting players in MLS during his three seasons. Despite being just 5-foot-9, DeLaGarza has managed to be a solid centerback and has appeared in 72 percent of games since being drafted. He's also seen time at full back, which has helped get him onto the field.

Shea Salinas: It might come as a bit of surprise being as he's moved around so much, but Salinas has made 89 appearances since being the No. 15 pick in the 2008 SuperDraft. Of course, those haven't always been the most productive appearances. Salinas has just four goals and eight assists despite seeing most of his time at attacking positions.

Graham Zusi: After a bit of a slow start, Zusi broke out in 2011. After starting just nine times during his first two seasons, Zusi made 25 starts and appeared in 32 games last year. He responded with five goals and seven assists. Tellingly, his six career goals are the most of any player picked between 15-38 during the past four drafts.

Michael Farfan: Never seemed entirely comfortable as a fullback, he did manage to get into 21 games and start 13 of them as rookie last year. Considering he was a No. 23 pick, that's really not bad. He showed some passing ability out of the back and there's talk of moving him to the midfield this year, where he'd likely be more comfortable.

There are definitely some more examples of quality players that were picked reasonably late in recent drafts, but I feel like I've painted a pretty decent picture for you. Keep in mind that this is really the best of the best and other than maybe Zusi, Ream and DeLaGarza they aren't even guys you can comfortably call entrenched starters.

There's also a conspicuous lack of scorers in this group. As I stated earlier, Zusi's six career goals are the best of the best of the bunch. The only player you'd even call a forward that is getting regular minutes out of this group of players is Quincy Amarikwa, who has three career goals in 53 appearances. Even if you look at every player taken in the last four SuperDrafts, which expands the pool from my previous research, it's no better. You can make a pretty compelling argument that Mike Fucito, who has three goals in 23 MLS appearances, is the best forward taken the past four SuperDrafts after the 14th pick.

It's not that coaches don't try to find forwards this late. By my count 18 players who were listed solely as forwards on the day of the draft were picked. None of them have turned into reliable scorers.

If the Sounders are going to get anything out of their 15th and 34th overall picks on Thursday, history would suggest they have a couple of options: 1. Use them to trade up; 2. Target a lunch-pail style midfielder/defender and hope for the best.

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There are examples of goal scores in the league who were drafted after pick 14. Three that come to mind are Brian Ching, Chris Wondolowski and Dane Richards. Yes, the pool shrinks and the odds get long, but it is still possible to find offensive value. Even the Sounders have garnered some value here. Mike Fucito was a fourth round pick and though he hasn’t started much, he has been a valuable offensive weapon for the Sounders.

There is a problem with your sample size as well. By definition the draft is mostly about developmental players rather than immediate impact players. Few draftees reach their playing maturity until a few years after the draft. It would be more accurate to say that the Sounders are unlikely to find a player who helps them now.

By all accounts this year’s draft class is also unusual in the depth of attacking players on display. Sigi even talked about this yesterday on the MLS site. Here’s just a sample of the offense available:

Darren Mattocks
Chandler Hoffman
Casey Townsend
Ethan Finlay
Dom Dwyer
Kelyn Rowe
Enzo Martinez
Luis Silva
Nick DeLeon
Lucky Mkusona
Sam Garza
Aldo Paniaugua
Evan James
Tony Cascio
Kohen Yamada
Colin Rolfe
Luke Holmes
Eder Arreola
Babayele Sodade

Not all of these players will ultimately succeed, but the chances are that many of them may. The latest Mock Draft at MLS has some of these players still available when the Sounders pick in the Second round.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 10, 2012 7:46 AM PST reply actions  

Looking at drafts of a decade ago looks at a league in very different circumstances though

Within MLS 3.0 things have shifted away from the Draft. During the pre-DP Garber era budgets were tight, there weren’t DPs and the craziness of World Cup heros from Logan so Drafted players got a huge run that they probably would not get now.

Most of your list above are assist men in MLS rather than scorers. Of the forwards you list Dwyer, Finlay and Rolfe may be available.

By the way, Fucito is mentioned as probably the best forward picked after #14 since 2007

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by Dave Clark on Jan 10, 2012 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

This is what we say almost every year

“this list of 20 or so players will succeed” and invariably more than half of them don’t, at least not within the first few years of their contracts. I’m not saying no one picked after the 14th pick will ever turn into a scorer, but the chances of it happening reasonably soon are epically long.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 10, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Northwestern Sr. forward Oliver Kupe

Any reason this kid has fallen off the face of the earth? I don’t even hear him mentioned on anybodys radar. He played for a good program that ended up losing to Akron in the NCAA’s, and he was NU’s big threat up top. He might not be the most prolific scorer ever (22 goals, 10 assist total), but at 6-3, 180 lbs., very athletic (b-baller) someone should give him a good look. Plus he’s a really smart kid too. I saw him a couple times on the Big 10 Network and he looked really comfortable with the ball at his feet as well as with his back to goal. I would think he’s a forward project worth taking a chance on. Joe Maurceri has him ranked 5th at his position and gives him a C grade overall.

by AVUrlacher on Jan 10, 2012 8:10 AM PST reply actions  

Solid second rounder

Kupe was a little hot and cold finishing though he had some important goals. He has been taken early in second round 23-29th pick. Definitely on radar.

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by chrisso on Jan 10, 2012 8:45 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

In mock drafts I looked at at least...

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by chrisso on Jan 10, 2012 8:45 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

In doing some more research

It looks like the lacking scoring forwards is a pretty recent phenomena. In 2007, Robbie Findley (16), Dane Richards (29) and Omar Cummings (31) all went relatively late. In 2006, Jozy Altitorde (17) and Dominic Oduro (22) were both late picks. I’m sure you can find similar examples in previous years.

This just suggests that teams have done a better job of identifying scoring talent and maybe that the draft isn’t as deep as it once was. There are six more teams drafting now than were picking in 2007 and the scouting seems to have gotten better.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 10, 2012 9:18 AM PST reply actions  

More teams

Great observation about the larger number of teams drafting. In addition to this increasing the scouting prowess it also means that more teams have similar needs. In a league with 14 teams, some players will drop to the second round by definition. But there is also an increased chance that one of the five new teams will grab a player that your team targeted as their second pick. More teams will deplete the best available at any position. This then cascades through the remaining picks.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 10, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

It also means that more people are scouting

If a guy only has a 5% chance of being recognized having 19 scouts v 14 scouts means someone is more likely to recognize the talent.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 10, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Drafts

It is funny that people say the draft is not deep, while the drafts are getting deeper and deeper. It is almost like it is wishful thinking on their part. The difference is the talent was not being scouted in college back then to even a fraction of the degree that it is now. Why ? Because the drafts were found to be and always will be a gold mine.

I agree that a great scorer will be hard at 15, because forwards always seem to go earlier, but would any of us be upset if we got another Fucito on the team ? If the Sounders do go the forward route, that is what I am praying for. Another Zakuani just means that finished worst last year.

by Charles J on Jan 10, 2012 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

What evidence of this statement
while the drafts are getting deeper and deeper

Do you have?

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by Dave Clark on Jan 10, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Technically we can't call it history

If it’s only been three years.

I could say 100 percent of our Akron draft picks have their legs broken by Brian Mullen so if Mattocks falls to us, pass up on him for sure. Lets wait for about 8 years before we start talking about history. Since it usually takes 2 or 3 years to crack the first team if you aren’t a special talent like Zakuani, or Omar Gonzalez. I mean look at Mwanga for Philly he still doesn’t start and he is a great talent.

Remember Fucito wasn’t a first rounder and he has been one of the better scorers in all competitions over the last three years compared to anyone that has been drafted and technically his ass got cut the first year.

by python6114 on Jan 10, 2012 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

Great use of hyperbole

But if you wait 8 years to figure out if your draft is a success it means you got a local guy not good enough for Europe and willing to be underpaid.

And Fucito never got cut. He was waived and then resigned as a procedual move, not out of lack of interest.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 10, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

re-signed

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by chrisso on Jan 10, 2012 10:58 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I'm saying...

But here’s the thing: Mattocks won’t fall to us. Whoever falls to use will fall to us for a reason, most likely.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 10, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

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