Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Trent Richardson Interviews Fellow Brown Brandon Weeden

'Prospective': Final Thoughts on the 2012 Player Combine

Sigi Schmid watched the combine live. We only have MLSSoccer.com, but it does grant some perspective to us as to the relative quality of players available.

Dave's note: Abbott will be joining the Sounder at Heart crew with a nearly weekly column. His FanPosts opened our eyes to the idea of adding someone with a different voice who could provide regular columns about roster construction, lineup management and other stuff. He's our second off-season addition, as you may have noticed Timm joining the ranks to help us cover some news and other stuff. If you haven't guessed we're looking at having an even better site in 2012. Teams that win trophies deserve the best.

Prospecting

The term conjures up images from the birth of Seattle as a city. Seattle became the jump off point for many men seeking their fortunes in the Yukon and in the process the money this generated laid the foundations for a modern day city. When you strip away all the hype and hyperbole; the MLS Player Combine, SuperDraft and Supplemental Draft create the same type of foundation for the future of this league that we all love. At their core, the objective is for teams to sift through all of the potential players available and find the gems that will become the future of their team. This activity carries risk. It is after all, prospecting. But there is also the prospect of reward. Contained within these events are men who will be a key component of the MLS for years to come.

Prospect

These young men are skilled. But even the best of them are simply prospects. They are about to make the leap from soccer as an avocation to soccer as their job. This entails a transition period. None of them will save an MLS franchise this year. Each MLS franchise is in an unique position. For the newer franchises and teams that are rebuilding, the draft may yield a player who becomes a regular contributor to their team by the end of the 2012 season. For the established teams with deep rosters like the LA Galaxy or Seattle Sounders, the draft will yield a piece for the team's future. At best, a player drafted in the first round of the draft by either of these teams might hope to make the 18 for some MLS games this season and become a key contributor off of the bench.

'Prospective'

We are fans, short for 'fanatic'. It's easy to look at these events and lose perspective. Even the best players available in this year's draft are not likely to crack Seattle's Starting 11 unless the team suffers a major player loss due to injury or transfer. If Seattle were to trade up and get the Number 1 pick, the player that they would select is not going to start against Santos Laguna. These young men are prospects. In this lull between the end of the Player Combine and the Super Draft, I realized that it was important for me to grasp this concept and temper my viewpoint accordingly. With this in mind, here are my final thoughts on the 2012 Player Combine.

Star-divide

Yesterday morning, I had the opportunity to continue to watch the Player Combine. I caught most of the first game and the first half of the second game. Traditionally the third game of the Combine allows players to finally settle into something resembling a routine. They've gotten over the initial disorientation of the environment of the Combine and begin to catch a glimmer of what they can expect from their team mates. The jitters are mostly gone and they get down to business. Few players falter on the 3rd day. Most of the players who have shown well up to this point continue to impress. But the real winners on the third day are the players who demonstrate that the skills the teams saw when they scouted the player before the Combine are still there. This year was no exception.

A great example of how this works is Dom Dwyer. Soccer By Ives did a nice piece on Dom's Combine experience. Reading this article I was reminded that context is everything and the Player Combine is a warped vantage point for viewing a player's potential as a prospect. Dwyer was sitting at home as an offseason college player one day and within a single 24 hour period found himself signing a GA contract and dropped into the mixer of the Player Combine. There was no time to prep himself for the opportunity. It simply happened and he made the most of it. Each successive Combine game he settled into his audition and yesterday he got a goal. He wasn't entirely satisfied with his performance, but he also dealt with the situation in a very professional manner. He put it into context and moved on. It was one of the most telling sets of comments from any player who participated at the Combine.

There were other players who had good days yesterday. Lucky Mkosona had another solid performance. The young player from Dartmouth used the Combine to great effect. Kohei Yamada followed up a solid second game with another good performance. I won't be surprised if someone takes a chance on him in the Second round. Matt Hedges from UNC did a good job of refocusing attention on his resume yesterday. Going into the Combine, he was the consensus top CB available this year. The first two games he looked a bit shaky. Yesterday, he stepped up and asserted himself again. The quintessential 3rd game performance is all about reminding the teams why you were invited to the Combine in the first place. Hedges did that.

Filing a Claim

Which brings us full circle to the $50 Question. What will Seattle do tomorrow morning? Everyone is being coy, but there have been a couple of interesting conversations that have cropped up over the past two days involving Seattle.

MLSSoccer.com interviewed NE coach Jay Heaps, Vancouver coach Martin Rennie and Montreal coach Jesse Marsch on Extratime Radio. It's a great interview where all three men talk about the possibility of trading their team's pick and whether their team's have received any legitimate offers. Based on Marsch's comments, I would say that there is a very real possibility that Montreal would consider trading the pick for the right offer.

The MLS reporters suggested that Seattle could be a possible trade partner. While I agree that Seattle could be a trade partner, I do not agree with the trade these reporters proposed. They suggested that Seattle should trade their first round pick, Mike Fucito, Sammy Ochoa and Roger Levesque for Montreal's first round pick and Sanna Nyassi and that Seattle would then draft Darren Mattocks. Seattle is already shallow at forward and they proposed that Seattle trade 3 of their forwards for two MLS wingers. Yes, Mattocks and Nyassi give Seattle speed. But the positional sacrifice is too much.

This is not to say that Seattle wouldn't benefit from possibly trading up and that they might not trade some of these pieces. Any of these men might be considered in a trade. But I don't see Seattle trading all of them unless they have an alternative at Forward waiting in the wings. Seattle is much more likely to make an offer containing multiple picks and up to two players rather than 3 current players. And I certainly don't see Seattle sacrificing 3 players from the same positional pool. One possibility that no one has mentioned is trading either Ford or Meredith. Montreal could use a young goalie.

I also don't see Seattle moving up to the Number 1 spot to grab Mattocks. If Seattle has the Number 1 pick, I think they select Andrew Wenger. He fits the team's needs (depth about everywhere) much better and is more versatile on their bench. He also fits better with the team's long term needs.

Another interesting side effect of this potential trade is the impact that it will have on the rest of the top picks. If Montreal or whoever they trade the first pick to selects Wenger, I think that Vancouver's pick might then become available. Vancouver doesn't need help up top as much as they need other things. With both Mattocks and Hoffman now available at Pick 2, the pick may have more value to them on the trade market. Particularly if a team wants their choice of either of these two players. New England needs attacking help. They are likely to grab one of these men with the #3 pick. I could easily see a scenario where both the first two picks are traded and suddenly the draft becomes a free for all. And since Toronto has two relatively high first round picks at 4 and 12, they might also consider a trade. Tomorrow morning could be very interesting.

Sigi Schmid and Chris Henderson had a conference call with local media yesterday. As expected, both men were coy. But I think that Seattle is very happy with how this draft is panning out. The draft class is deep in the positions that Seattle needs developmental depth, attacking CM and forward. The quirks of this draft class also mean that some of the top defensive prospects are liable to fall to around Seattle's first round pick as well. Both men also talked about the strength of their system for developing prospects. Seattle is in a position to allow whoever they draft to grow within the system. The team doesn't need their picks to contribute to the first team this year. If they do, so much the better, but the team has the luxury of not needing this level of performance.

The Sounders FO has positioned themselves well for this Draft. Seattle will land a solid prospect or two going into training camp. And I am thrilled with the prospect that provides for the coming season.

By the way, I am excited to join the writing staff here at Sounder at Heart as a weekly columnist. Each week I will take a moment or two to explore how the Sounders are managing and building their roster. Along the way, I'll share my opinions and perspective on what I see. Hopefully, I can add to the conversation and I'm looking forward to my new role in this community.

Comment 25 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

Congrats on joining the crew.

I was wondering when you’d get picked up!

@ritual605

by Greg Pirkl Lives on Jan 11, 2012 3:09 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah

I was calling for this nearly 5 months ago. :)

You will hear us on Brougham, you will hear us on Occidental, you will hear us on King. Our yachts are all around you, there is no escape.

by 108Ultra on Jan 11, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Congratulations getting on the author line

A very well deserved promotion. ;-)

Also, the other advantage of moving up the draft, is getting a GA player. We have the time to bring along a player slowly, but little cap space to play with. A GA player allows us to develop a younger player while preserving roster flexibility for a few years (since he’ll likely getting most of his minutes in reserve league and Open Cup games).

by Dizzo on Jan 11, 2012 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks

Moving up would guarantee one of the GA picks, but there is a chance that one of them might still be available when the Sounders pick. I wrote more about Seattle moving up to an interim target in the draft in my earlier combine related Fan post.

Thanks to everyone for their support.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 11, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Is

possible there might still be a GA available but then again depending on how he did at the combine (assuming he was there) Seattle may not take him but go with someone else. Really hard to say what’s going to happen and who is going to drop to #15 if seattle doesn’t trade up.

by gstommylee on Jan 11, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Congrats to Abbott and Timm

Abbott, I agree with your assessment of the proposed trade from Extra Time Radio. I laughed it off for the same reasons you did. Any trade with Montreal – or Toronto for that matter – would have to include Pat Ianni. I think that supports your idea about Andrew Wenger being Seattle’s pick if they trade with Montreal.
Just curious if you’ve seen Steve Davis’ mock draft at si.com? He has Ethan Finlay going to the Sounders at pick 15. Thoughts?

by James Bray on Jan 11, 2012 3:45 PM PST via Android app reply actions  

I did see a mock with Finlay at 15...

I’ve looked at so many mocks they’ve all kind of blurred together. Finlay’s an interesting prospect. He’s considered undersized for an MLS forward and not swift enough to be a typical MLS wing. But he has a good soccer mind and good finishing skills. His hat trick goals were all different. The other question with him may also be how much more he can grow as a player. He looked dangerous in his two days at the combine. I expect that he will come off the board tomorrow either in the middle to late 1st round or in the first half of the 2nd. Whether the Sounders pick him at 15 depends on how the FO rates his potential. He’d make a good backup to FM as a withdrawn forward in Sigi’s arrow.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 11, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

congrats

You deserved the nod and great article. Also I just now realized we have only one CF (with any meaningful playing time) and that that is possibly the shallowest position on the team, scary. What are your thoughts of Us trading up to #1 or 2 in exchange for say Estrada, Scott & Meredith and then trading that for allocation money and a pick in roughly the same place we are at and the ability to sign a DP cm/cam or Striker?

by Calin David on Jan 12, 2012 3:54 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Ianni

One other thought is that I doubt Ianni would be included in a trade with Montreal. They built their team from the back and have other needs. He very well might be a piece in trade options with other teams though as the team’s #3 CB I don’t think it is as likely as some of the other pieces. Earlier in another thread I suggested that a possible player deal that might make sense with Montreal would be Fucito or Neagle, Estrada and either Ford or Meredith and a swap of 1st round picks. This gives Montreal a backup GK, a potential starter and a solid developmental player. It gives Seattle the room to bring a veteran backup at GK and a little more space on their roster for their remaining draft choices. Estrada may struggle for playing time with Cato, Christian S. and some of the other prospects like Ngassa.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 11, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade

I think the key is in allocation money / cap space. I believe that we want to make one more big move this year and will use the draft to hopefully create this room and the icing on the cake would be finding a promising prospect for the future.
I look at our team and honestly feel that we are one striker / forward away from pushing Santos out of the CCL, as well as having the best starting 11 (with 3 subs) hands down in MLS making us the likely favorite for MLS Cup. With a little luck from the injury gods we can retain our depth and push for the Shield. I like Ochoa and Fucito but unless major strides are made in the off-season they are not a pairing with Montero that on paper is best in MLS. I hope for the best for OBW but his pre-disposition to clotting is likley not going to just resolve. We need another forward. Insert DP caliber young player with Montero and we have a scarey, scarey team. If my job were on the line (Adrian) than I would do what I could to make this happen. (of note, I hope and do believe that Adrian will be safely voted in as GM regardless of what happens this year). If the rumors last year were correct than the elephant in the room has to be Prince Tagoe given his situation (character issues aside) but with our scouting I’d be happy with another “trialist”.
With the above assumption / wish I would love to see us move up to take Wegener (unlikley because of what we’d have to give) or Jean-Baptise to add a little depth at CB and a prospect and somehow create enough room to buy down Rosales to make room for another DP.

FYI: I can’t wait until we start to transfer out players on a yearly basis to provide a steady stream of allocation dollars.

http://web.me.com/lienc/Site/Sounders_Talk/Sounders_Talk.html

by sounderstalk on Jan 11, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone, don't write this off as spam.

This guy actually has some insightful views that are quite interesting. Give it a look.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 11, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

This kind of in-game analysis is exactly what I hope Keller can bring to the booth.

Many of the replays and analysis during the game of soccer are so short it would be difficult to provide the kind of analysis in whole but I think this is a right frame of mind in presenting and talking about soccer to an American audience.

Nos audietis in somniis, Nos audietis in altum: You will hear us!

by chrisso on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Teams that win trophies deserve the best.”

Should we be looking at LAG Confidential to add several aging bloggers to their team?

by Aasenb on Jan 11, 2012 4:50 PM PST reply actions  

Congrats Abbot!

Looking forward to reading yet another great columnist on SaH.

by sum anon on Jan 11, 2012 5:35 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

Yay! My favorite commentor

has been promoted. Congratulations Abbott!

by look4wrd on Jan 11, 2012 6:23 PM PST reply actions  

I hope to god we do not draft Dom Dwyer

Everything about him screams overentitled prima donna. Considering he was invited to the Sounders camp and most teams start preseason camps a week from now, his excuse about “not being ready for the combine” rings pretty hollow.

by TheTank123 on Jan 12, 2012 7:32 AM PST reply actions  

Oh and also

“The young player from Dartmouth” is 24 (according to SBI and other sources)…not exactly a spring chicken.

by TheTank123 on Jan 12, 2012 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

One more

Mattocks will definitely not be playing on the wing. He’s too good up top and his service is questionable.

by TheTank123 on Jan 12, 2012 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

20

But that’s not really even the point. Dwyer makes it sound like the fact that he was going to sign a GenAd deal and possibly be invited to the MLS Combine and get drafted was all new to him the day he actually signed the contract. The kid tweeted constantly about having to make tough decisions implying he was deciding between a GA deal or something else. If I’m a college player about to turn pro you can be damn certain I’d be in the best shape of my life coming into camp and that would start more than 10 days before I was supposed to report to camp.

Long story short I don’t like the kids attitude. From his slap fighting after the New Mexico game to his “#stayhumble” tweets (again, no actually humble person would brag about staying humble) and his excuses for why he wasn’t showing well, he consistently has red flags in the “attidude” department. Couple that with a talent level that really isn’t that high, I don’t like him for the Sounders.

by TheTank123 on Jan 12, 2012 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Sounder at Heart is a blog about the Seattle Sounders FC, with occasional forays into Democracy in Sports, Roster Management, Soccer Statistics and Life in Puget Sound. We are not the actual Sounders blog.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Twitter-icon_small
Fredy Montero with magic at the death vs. the Whitecaps part 1 (animated)
Small
On "fake turf" in Seattle, 2012 edition

Recent FanPosts

2334846872_d5a0828b89_small
The Friendly Confines of the Clink
Small
Sounders go after Drogba, yes or no?
Img957001_small
Substitute +/- Ratings
Twitter-icon_small
Fredy Montero mesmerizes Whitecaps' Joe Cannon (animated)
Acerimmer_small
Eddie Johnson Scores on Michael Gspurning? Yes indeed!
Paraguay_small
Sounders #awaysupport
Small
Andy Rose!
Small
What's our line-up vs. Dallas?

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Sounder at Heart exists on Facebook - Like Us

Follow SounderAtHeart on Twitter

Sounder At Heart on Twitter

follow me on Twitter

Follow the rest of us on Twitter

Sounder At Heart (Site Feed)

Sidereal (MLS stats)

Jeremiah Oshan (top 10 soccer journalist on Twitter, Baby!)

Aaron Campeau (Villa, Mariners)

Dave Clark (beer, specfic, mideast)

Brian Floyd (all Seattle sports)

Nos Audietis (podcast stuff, snark)

Chris Coulter (photos, academy)


Managers

Tiny_dave_with_scarf_small Dave Clark

Oshan_small Jeremiah Oshan

Seattlesoccerscene_small sidereal

Nos Audietis Crew

Avatar_small Aaron Campeau

254350_1953423628277_767159_n_small dano_seattle

Authors

Img_0349_small malcontentjake

Devlin_small sum anon

Small dennyoffside

Ravelry_logo_small Abbott Smith

Special1tv_o_small Timm Higgins