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2012 MLS Draft: Schmid, Henderson Provide Pre-Draft Thoughts

Will Hanauer, Schmid and Henderson find a few new players to bring them this kind of joy again?

The brain trust for Seattle Sounders FC's on field product went to Bradenton, Florida for the MLS Combine. Yesterday, the club provided a conference call with Coach Sigi Schmid and Technical Director Chris Henderson. Like many outside observers they see a deeper draft class than usual, but with top level talent stable in quantity and quality. One thing that Schmid notes is that they can not fall into the trap of over-using the combine as they already scouted these players through their college seasons and some attended the Sounders Vegas Combine;

We’ve scouted during the season, we’ve seen some of these guys in their college environment, some have trained with us, we’ve seen some when they’ve been in with the national team, etc. Sometimes the big mistake people make is, if they have a bad combine they drop off their list and if they have a good combine all of a sudden they jump on the list irrespective of what they’ve done in the previous three-four years in college. From that standpoint, we want to take all that into account.

It's also quite clear that Seattle will go with the best player available. Their unique short list is about 10 or 11 players long and at pick 15 (maybe even 34) they'll take the top remaining man. If all of those players are gone they'll start looking based on position. Schmid then listed the needed positions. It's a long list;

...we’re probably looking a little bit in the middle of midfield because with the loss of [Erik] Friberg we need a little more depth there. Central defense, as well, with the retirement of Taylor Graham. ‘Is Zach Scott going to play inside or outside?’ is something that interests us because Zach can always play inside. ‘How long is it going to take [Steve] Zakuani and O’Brian White to come back?’ So wide midfielders are an interest, as well, and so are center forwards. I think that covers it all, with the exception of maybe goalkeeper, but it’s the reality for us

Chris Henderson & Co. also gained the opportunity to network live and direct with other teams rather than via text or email. While they gave a specific example of the David Horst surgery it is clear that one of the advantages of a league wide combine is that every team has a representative present.

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And since they were in Bradenton the United States U-20 and under teams are right nearby. That grants the Sounders the ability to directly calibrate their opinions on Academy players and alumni. Henderson mentioned that the staff watched Deandre Yedlin and Sean Okoli at U-20 camp immediately watching a combine game after;

We were lucky enough to be down here at the same time as the U18 National Team, the U20 National Team, we got a chance to see Sean Okoli and DeAndre Yedlin train and play a scrimmage with the National Team. We can see how they compare with those players, and then at the same we were able to go over to the combine and watch the college players. Our goal is to keep developing players through our system. I think for some of our academy players—going to college and maturing and growing up a little bit and living on their own—I think all those things are important to being a pro. Sometimes it’s difficult to go into a locker room with a bunch of men, when your teammates are just coming out of the academy system. Some kids need time to mature and grow.

Seattle and MLS now settle on Kansas City for the college soccer coaches association meeting, more league meetings and of course the SuperDraft. Fox Soccer will be showing a series of interviews and speeches on Wednesday night at 5 PM Pacific while ESPN2 and MLSSoccer.com will show the draft at 9 AM Thursday morning.

At the end of the day Seattle could have anywhere from zero to three more players after they explore trades (they are, though they always are). Who they acquire will be based on years of scouting by Adrian Hanauer, Henderson, Sigi and Kurt Schmid.

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I'd like to hope that Andrew Jean-Baptist would fall just enough

for us to grab him. He’s solid, though I’m totally a defensive minded guy, I think he would slot well either Parke or Hurtado.

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by Timm Higgins on Jan 11, 2012 8:49 AM PST reply actions  

Unlikely

He had a good combine, is GA, and is rated highly. I doubt he will fall to 15. He did look good though.

by Iam333 on Jan 11, 2012 9:19 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

love that pic

one of my favs of the sounders triumvirate

looks like sigi went to an ECS prematch function and got tanked.

by fuzzyforeigner on Jan 11, 2012 8:57 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Speed and Athleticism

Haven’t read up too much on the 2012 draft class, but I would love to see an injection of speed and athleticism in our side. We have so many technically gifted players, a bit of speed out wide or at the CF position would be great. Much inthe way Fucito puts pressure on back lines.

by Mugen Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

Zakuani, OBW, Cato do that

Tetteh, Neagle and Rosales as well.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Tetteh

How is his development coming? Is he expected to make the shift to a more defensive mid position, and is he going to get more playing time this year?

by Mugen Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I look forward to watching him when practice opens back up.

He won’t be a defensive mid. It will be left wing or left back. He has all the skills to to be a left wing.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I never realized

he had the offensive skills to be a winger. I liked his strength and speed, found his passing to be solid, but never knew he had the ability to play that far forward. Good deal.

by Mugen Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

He's fast

can pass, can dribble

marginal defender.

That seems to profile almost exactly to a winger.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

He mostly played mid in college

His tenacity and speed allowed him to play good defense in college and lead many commentators to project him as a fullback in MLS. In the games I’ve seen him play, he’s still relied on his speed to help him on defense which is not quite as effective against the faster and more technical MLS reserves.

They’ve obviously been working hard to improve his positional awareness and tackling. The question is if he can learn fast enough to cement that back-up LB spot or if the team switches him back to left mid. I think he’s more valuable to the Sounders as a LB. Hopefully we’ll get a sense of his defensive improvement when the preseason matches start.

by Dizzo on Jan 11, 2012 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Status

Taking in to account the health of OBW,and the fact that we still don’t know what kind of form Zakuani will return too, it’s still something I would like to see.

by Mugen Power on Jan 11, 2012 9:11 AM PST reply actions  

Trade Up or Trade Out

I don’t think there are 15 players in this draft that can make an impact on our first team. The Brain Trust seems to agree as they only have 10-11 players on their short list. So, I would not mind us either trading out of this draft entirely (allocation money would be my preference) or trading up to get into the first few picks. It is hard for me to feel like this draft is a big deal for us with the 15th pick. If we stay where we are, my best outcome would be a GA pick so that it does not hit our budget but I don’t think that is likely at 15.

That said, I realize the draft holds a ton of uncertainty in it and we might get a guy in the third round of the supplemental that comes on and scores goals.

by @Thomas513 on Jan 11, 2012 9:53 AM PST reply actions  

last year

Seattle got players on their own short list in the second round & on – one a GA, another a regular and two keepers. all were players Seattle valued higher than other teams.

one of their targets will be at the 15

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2012 10:02 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

The draft is deep where Seattle needs depth

Seattle also has the luxury of allowing a player time to develop.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I think impact on first team or this year's starting 18 is unrealistic

We are a deep team that likes to grow and build depth and we have been doing that for the past 3 years. Why counter that depth by trading out? Zakuani was a first pick of the draft player. But we were a shiny new team with our roster getting filled out for the first time.

Keep building the depth. Think farming. You reap what you sow. We are drafting players to fill and even just compete for a space on the team. Will we start any of these drafted players this year? No, except in a reserve game and that may even be pushing it. Will we start a drafted player from this draft someday in the future? Probably, yes.

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by chrisso on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

This is a joint reply to Abbot Smith and Chrisso

Time to grow. Sure. Space to grow? That is less clear. We have 27 signed players. Cado seems done. Ngassa may be signed as well. For our purposes, let’s us assume it is only one of the two. That leaves us with 2 roster spots left. It seems hard to believe that we are going to fill one of those two spots with someone that might be ready to play in 2014. If a draftee is ready to contribute this year, take him. Otherwise, I would rather us look elsewhere for folks who can come in and help us win this year.

by @Thomas513 on Jan 11, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Prep for the future

Those final roster spots are going to be for the future. I agree that the Sounders are only going to have a couple of slots on the short end of the bench and any draftees will battle for them. But they are not for this year’s success. Any minutes Seattle gains this year from a 2012 draftee is gravy.

In the next few years the team will need to reload at key positions as players are ‘promoted’ to Eurean teams. They must plan for this now. The draft is for that purpose. The Sounders really don’t need six picks and trading some of them makes sense. But I expect them to pick a few players unless they bundle them all to move to the top of the draft.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 11, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess that is our disagreement.

For this year (and directly opposed to my attitude in 2009, 2010, and 2011), I am not worried about preparing for the future. Instead, I think we need to win with the top end players we have now (Fernandez, Rosales, Montero, Alonso) and that the 29th and 30th spots, if used at all, should be taken by guys are going to contribute to at least USOC and CCL level games while our starters can rest. If a draft pick can do that, great. If not, let’s trade them away for cash or someone who can. I realize that will make 2013 tougher but it appears there are significant sharks circling for some of our top end guys and it may be that 2012 is our last chance to win with some of those players.

by @Thomas513 on Jan 11, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

No worries

No problems with disagreement. I personally want to see the team continually reload but I understand your perspective.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 11, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

One

problem we have 1 international spot left. Unless we acquire one via trade, someone gets their green card or someone gets cut/traded/leaves, Seattle can’t sign both Cato and Ngassa.

by gstommylee on Jan 11, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you accounting for Fernandez Green Card?

That could happen any day.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 11, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

No

i wasn’t accounting for Fernandez getting his green card. I know you mention about it butt slipped past my mind while i was making that post. But good to know that once announces that Fernandez has his greed card that Seattle can sign both.

However depending on who Seattle drafts tomorrow we could still ended up with 1 international spot left and have it be between Cato and ngassa for that spot.

Question is Fernandez the only one that is close to getting his green card or is Rosales getting close to getting his as well?

by gstommylee on Jan 11, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Call it a contingency plan.

How many moves did the Sounders have that they actually anticipated versus happened to them? think Friberg, Nkufo, Expansion drafts, Zakuani, OBW, Boss’ concussion…. But our depth buoyed our team.

Could the drafted player compete with Sanyang, Estrada, Burch?
Could a player we don’t see getting a lot of playing time for this season play for the Rochester Rhinos instead of being signed with the Sounders? It worked before.

Otherwise, I would rather us look elsewhere for folks who can come in and help us win this year.

We can do BOTH. We are the Sounders.

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by chrisso on Jan 11, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Does this make sense?

I know it’s impossible to know how much allocation and cap space the Sounders actually have, but doesn’t it make sense to use our 15th pick and some allocation money from the Wahl deal to trade up and get a GA player that we like (Rowe/Jean-Baptist). I don’t know how much it would actually take, but $50,000 in allocation money to get an impact GA player that would have a salary of $150,000 makes sense doesn’t it? If the player ends up being good then we can keep him or he has trade value. If he ends up needing more time to develop then he most likely remains a GA player doesn’t hit the cap again.

by ComeOnSounders on Jan 11, 2012 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

Makes some sense

But I think the team would rather hold on to their AM. Instead I would expect them to offer a combination of multiple picks and players Say picks and Fucito or Neagle, Estrada and either Ford or Meredith for the top pick and AM to Seattle.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 11, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Fucito or neagle

wouldn’t make sense though. Neagle is back up to Alvaro while Zak and will take over as starter if alvaro is at some point sold. Fucito would leave us with 1 less forward up top.

What about seamon Estrada and one of the 2 back ups GK if your talking players as part of trade.

by gstommylee on Jan 11, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Value for value

Montreal would have to gain a starter and they need offense. I don’t want to see Seattle lose either Fucito or Neagle, but to expect Montreal to trade down for Estrada, Seamon, a GK and picks is unrealistic. If the team trades Neagle, I would expect Tetteh to move forward as depth for LW behind Alvaro and Zak. Lamar has value but he doesn’t displace Zak or Flaco if both are healthy. Fucito is another example of solid depth but is the odd man out if Ochoa and OBW are healthy due to how Sigi’s preferred formation works. Wenger could become a third Forward in a pinch. He projects as a defensive stalwart but was ACC Offensive POY and could play with his back to goal. My intent was to propose a trade that would make sense for both teams. It does have a cost. But in the world of professional sport it is the type of cost that would be fair.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 12, 2012 4:08 AM PST up reply actions  

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