2012 MLS Draft - Live Thread
by Dave Clark on Jan 12, 2012 8:00 AM PST
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MLS teams gather in Kansas City to draft from their selection of college seniors, Generation Adidas players and a few pre-signed internationals. You can watch live on ESPN2/3 or MLSSoccer.com at 9 AM or just follow along here. MLSSoccer.com's final mock draft (their third) has Puget Sound native Kelyn Rowe going as high as third or as low as 14th. Their expectations are for Seattle Sounders FC to select three different players at pick 15 - Dom Dwyer, Ethan Finlay or Babayele Sodade. Pick 34, even harder to predict, sees differing selections for the Sounders as well - Jacob Hustedt, Miguel Ibarra or Eder Arreola. Dwyer and UW leftback Jamie Finch were Seattle's selection's in the SB Nation Mock Draft. The only other Seattle native at the combine, keeper Chris Blais, is not expected to be drafted today.
It is important to remember that Seattle sees 10 or 11 players that they like. Last year they had a similar narrow list drafting several in the second round, including a Generation Adidas player. Seattle's board received very little adjustment based on the Combine, but other teams don't necessarily follow that practice.
As soon as Hanauer & Co do something, draft or trade, an immediate snapshot reaction will be posted in its own story. The team will have the brain trust and any players drafted today on a conference call and we'll have a report based on those as well.
Lastly, here's a reminder of team needs according to Sigi Schmid; depth everywhere but keeper. There are currently three unclaimed roster slots, but the team expects competition throughout the roster. This includes the opportunity of a non-drafted invitee making the roster.
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Not that I've heard.
Marsh said they’d decided on their pick, which suggests they maybe aren’t trading the number 1, but I wouldn’t believe anything you hear from any front office member just yet.
If you have the number one and haven't decided
you should deal the pick. They had all year and can’t choose?
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Wenger/Mattocks
Pretty much a lock at 1st?
Also you bring a good point. Marsch and Co. seem to have made some weird picks, but also done some great trades (Riley pick, trade to Chivas for Braun for example) so I can’t make up my mind about how things are going. But not having the first pick figured out yet seems kind of ridiculous.
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
It has to be one of those two
but if they don’t know by now it seems like they should just trade down.
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Well you certainly don't want to make it known that you've dealt the pick this early.
I would imagine you’d want to leave the door open for somebody to knock your socks off with a trade offer at the eleventh hour.
That makes sense
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I'm excited, to hear about it after the fact. :P
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taking the rest of the day off
to go home and watch the first two rounds….super exicted to meet the new Sounder’s!
One thing I liked about East Coast draft
was how the density of teams meant that several supporters groups had strong representation. Although I did think it was funny that the Sons of Ben left early…
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Have they said anything about rotating the venue around?
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Well, it's in Kasnas City this time
Since Sounders joined it’s also seen Philly, Baltimore, St Louis. Of course New York hosted many times.
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It coresponds with the NSCAA confrence
So where that goes the draft follows.
If the Sounders keep 15th pick
Depending on who’s available, a darkhorse pick would be Andy Rose. Six ft. two in. DM from UCLA.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 8:38 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Just wanted to say hello!
I’m running a live thread over at The Bent Musket for the Revolution today as well. Just wanted to pop in and say hello and wish you all good luck. Hopefully we don’t screw this one up.
by Matty Jollie on Jan 12, 2012 8:30 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Trade your pick
to the Sounders so we can draft Rowe. :P
Oh… and hello. :o)
by AVUrlacher on Jan 12, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
proposal...
Ok we’ll trade the #3 pick for your #15 and a player to be named? Fucito is a Mass boy and Harvard grad…
by Matty Jollie on Jan 12, 2012 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
Works for me.
Love going to the #ChurchOfFucito, but I’d pull the trigger on that trade and I believe it to be fair for both sides.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 12, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
Here's the complete list of draft eligible players
And there are seven or eight Washington players. I already forgot as Brandon Zimmerman of Pasco stunned me.
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Also from the list
how are players without birthdays available?
Shouldn’t that be one of the requirements?
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Thanks for the list
Nice to see:
8 from WA (love me some Pasco, WA)
1 from VBC
1 from OR (the other Rowe)
Good thing today is not super important at work...
Oh wait. Damn it. Brew the coffee, the next two hours are lost.
Jeremiah and the SBNSoccer team is hosting a national thread as well
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Dave-
Might you have a link to that? I can never find stuff on SBN and just looked for this…
Should be in this StoryStream
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/1/12/2702228/MLS-superdraft-2012-rules-and-proceedings
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Jeremiah has the rules posted
over at the SBN mothership
Highlights – 4 minutes between picks. 5 minute break between rounds. Each team gets a 5 minute timeout.
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What time will the picks actually start?
I’m guessing 10:00 with an hour lead-in and commentary?
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
It will be a few minutes later
but certainly not an hour
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Thanks
I thought that was the start of the event, not the picks. This will work out nicely!
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
Are both rounds televised on
ESPN2 this year?
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 8:41 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
that's the plan
the last couple picks may bounce from tv
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Kenny Cooper a Timber no longer
For a first round pick and allocation money
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Red Bulls now have the following forwards
Henry, Rodgers, Cooper and Agudelo (who they already hardly play)
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My mother in law lives in Portland
she told me that KeyBank is giving away Cooper signed jerseys this weekend. Eh…poor timing on the promotion guys.
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by chrisso on Jan 12, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kenny Cooper
Is probably exactly who Henry wants to play up top with.
As much as you could possibly fathom.
by TheTank123 on Jan 12, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, just checking
Sarcasm can be hard to translate from text.
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Not a surprise
With lack of Red Bulls contingent at combine (no Backe), and Cooper falling out (or down) of favor with Spencer this was bound to happen.
I imagine the first rounder is for 2013 though because NY traded this year’s first for DeRo.
Also, losing more allocation is not good for NY unless they deal Henry or Marquez. If not, what does this mean for Agudelo’s development and playing time?
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 8:49 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, the 2013
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I wonder if they'll raise the flags at Jeld Wen to half staff.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 12, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
so your saying the timbers are gonna conceded the Cascadia Cup with out playing a single rivalry game this year?
Yeah, white flag is next...
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
They'll still continue to fall down
In Kenny’s memory.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 8:53 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Wow
Ives reporting that it was between 200-300k in allocation. That alone would be a lot but with a 2013 pick too. I realize Cooper is good but, in fairness, that is a great deal for our southern neighbors.
It's like the Red Bulls put effort into sucking
by Dizzo on Jan 12, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I just think they don't bother to learn the rules of the league
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Good Deal for the cinders
That is a steal. I’m guessing the Red Bulls have a deal set up for agudelo but still 200k in allocation dollars for Cooper is insane.
Nothing new
nothing surprising
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
Hosed themselves
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Yeah they don't give a rip about the draft or anything really.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 12, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions
I believe MLSSoccer.com has a stream
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See if this works
http://www.firstrow.tv/watch/45502/1/watch-espn2.html
My connection is really bad so I can’t try it.
Reports are that Agudelo is likely on the move as well
also possibly Mwanga.
Shuffling.
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Would Agudelo upgrade our 2d striker?
He seems like he has a ton of potential and does well when playing but has not played much.
What
forward spot does Agudelo usually play?
That would make $200-300k for Cooper
A little easier to swallow. That will get several million for Agudelo if he goes abroad.
Jen Chang says for ~6M$
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Stuttgart is the rumor
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If Ream deal goes through
They would also be getting a ton of allocation $ as i think he’s reported between $2.5-3.5m. If both Ream and Agudelo deals go through NY will have a $1.3m in allocation, that’s a lot of breathing room.
Dammit
I forgot about Team leaving. Find’t think they’d sell Agudelo so quickly.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:06 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Wow
Wenger over Mattocks. May be right call, especially if he plays DM.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:08 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
UCSB SR. Silva to TFC at four
Could’ve got a GA, something they need with their cap situation.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:23 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Not totally convinced either of them would be an upgrade over Fucito.
Maybe Agudelo. Hard to say what he’d be capable of given regular minutes.
I bet either of them would thrive in a team where they're getting quality service from right & left
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I am
I don’t know what I’d give up – but yes, both are better than Fucito (sorry Mike).
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I'm not sold on Mwanga
But a change of scenery and the chance to play with an old Akron teammate may light a fire under him. Rumor is he’s been dogging it in training and ended up in Nowak’s doghouse.
I love Aguedelo though…
Everyone windups up in Nowak's doghouse
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I believe Mwanga is from Oregon State
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:04 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
truth
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Here's the SB Nation StoryStream
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/1/11/2700968/mls-superdraft-2012-live-updates
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Please Sounders make me happy.
Bad Chinese Midterm, partner lost Physics project, bad Mechanical engineering grade, hell of a birthday so far.
Please Sounders.
And so the show begins
I want Rowe. I really hope the FO can figure something out that has Rowe in Rave Green by the end of the day.
by AVUrlacher on Jan 12, 2012 9:01 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Rowe is another guy whose attitude I question
Getting benched at UCLA for the stretch run and NCAA tournament speaks volumes about his demeanor.
The benching is worrying
Totally agree, Tank. I still have not heard a full explanation of what happened there though. Any injury of note?
Great to have Adrian Healey tell us about the draft....
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Agree.
Defensive players out of college generally seem to have a lot more success than goal scorers.
Montreal Impact Select
Andrew Wenger
and they took all four minutes to do it. I hate that in every draft.
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Garber in French
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I imagine him as a pink zin guy
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by Dave Clark on Jan 12, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Vancouver Whitecaps 2nd pick
Darren Mattocks
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That pick was a sitter
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Really don't want to see Darren 3 times a year
If the kid has his motor running he’s unstoppable.
curious
Do they need another FW, or better served with stability in the middle. They should trade his rights. Great value for sure.
Some see him as a scoring winger
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There have been rumblings of Salgado
Moving onto Europe. This pick would make that more palatable to the Caps.
I hope they redo the inside the draft series on the MLS website
I loved getting some shots and audio of Sigi and company at the draft table last year
I was hoping Mattocks would slide to 15th.... j/k
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Love Wenger saying that he will learn French
great attitude
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Or the Revs and Sounders have a trade in place.
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Wouldn't
they made the trade before the 3rd pick was made?
B/c they would get a cap exempt talent with all star potential
but other that that no reason ;)
Not
like trading Fuctio would open any cap space.
Because they're
counting on bringing in a target with the 73 cents they have left?
New England Revolution #3
Kelyn Rowe
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I don't want to rag on the local guy, but it this a little bit of a reach?
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I don't think so
This next group of five or so guys seem pretty comparable to me (although they play different positions).
Man, no trades yet?
And Rowe isn’t even at the draft, kinda funny.
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Rowe is trainging to for the Olympics
And Cooper was traded to Red BUll
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Oops, forgot about Cooper. Still funny Rowe isn’t there though.
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I'd rather be on Olympics team
than at the draft.
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Wenger is more likely to be on the Final Olympics roster
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I thought they said
Portland traded Kenny Cooper for NYRB 2013 1st pick and cash…
by Jason Riptide on Jan 12, 2012 9:20 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Toronto FC #4
Luis Silva
which is very high.
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I thought he was the third best player in the draft
People who’ve played against him speak very highly of his game.
Before the combine few had him rated that high
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This goes back to a point of contention:
That most soccer writers across the country don’t have a clue what they are talking about when it comes to the college game. I watched probably 75-100 games this year (granted most were Akron) but I still don’t feel like I saw any of these kids anywhere near enough.
I only read guys that do
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I do, but just because I could make Snow Crash references
Uncle Enzo
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Sure, but who wouldn't want a nuke
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In the SBn mock is went 8th to Timbers
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No
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Chivas USA #5
Casey Townsend
He owned the Combine. Which means… well, not much.
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It's a need pick
between he and Hoffman basically. This isn’t a big stretch.
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Not Really
He was projected to go to DC at seven.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I like other teams taking seniors
Itss more likely a GA guy falls to the Sounders. We could use the cap relief.
TFC
Could use it more than us. But yeah, I agree with your assessment.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:29 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Wow Garza over Hoffman
Hoffman is not getting past Portland at eight.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
San Jose Earthquakes #6
Sam Garza
Who will have played in front of larger home crowds in college than he will in MLS
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Doesn't
DC also need help in the backline?
I hope so
I don’t want to see Hoffman three times a year in Portland silks.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Even
if portland doesn’t take Hoffman there a possibility someone else in the western conference takes him not named Seattle.
Great idea by MLS having the autograph ball
Cool little souvernior
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My favorite part of drafts
Is that I know nothing of the players other then the few blips in the media as of recently so in true USA tradition I will arbitraily pick a random mock draft, and swear that any deviation of that draft order is either a “reach” or a “steal”
by python6114 on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Doesn't matter
if they were projected 14th and they got drafted 13th, that’s still a bit of a stretch if you ask me an Ives.
D.C. United #7
Nick Deleon
Attacking mid who will need to mix in with Pontius, Najar and DeRo
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I'm not sure I like this pick for DCU
They need a good CB more than another midfielder. If they wanted him that bad they should have traded down.
there'll probably be
a couple steals available at this rate.
bad seat for Nick.
shouldn’t have sat in the middle of the row.
Excuse me… excuse me…excuse me…excuse me…excuse me…excuse me…
wow may have multiple GA's to pick from
lots of seniors being taken early.
They later added Seattle as well
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As well they should :)
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by AKSupporter on Jan 12, 2012 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good call Colin
I thought for sure Hoffman would go here, especially with the earlier Cooper trade.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:42 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Portland Timbers #8
Andrew Jean-Baptiste
That’s a strong pick for them. Needs pick.
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Not a surprise for the TImbers
Solid pick at 8.
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I was off
kinda surprised that Hedges has fallen to 3rd best CB
by Colin Johnson on Jan 12, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions
Chicago Fire #8
blessedly didn’t wait the full 4 minutes
Took Austin Berry
Anyone who thought a GA couldn’t fall to 15 can now admit that they didn’t look at any previous draft.
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I looked a previous drafts
And still question why teams are not more on GA players. Free players seem like a decent way to take a chance. I would have to seriously love a non-GA prospect over a GA one.
American Chicharito
Sure is falling. Simon Borg man. How does a guy like that get that job.
It's called a "Borgasm"
where hype and hyperbole are just taken to a whole ’nother level.
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by Dave Clark on Jan 12, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The best part of draft day media
Is now Simon Borg can just give all the teams he got wrong an F on their draft grade.
by python6114 on Jan 12, 2012 9:47 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Columbus Crew #10
Ethan Finlay
Shot up due to a hot 7 minutes.
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17 minutes
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Wow the Combine seems to have really swayed this draft roster for a lot of clubs
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To their detriment
Its usually the clubs who can’t afford good scouting that read too much int o the Combine.
To be fair
Finlay did finish 2nd in Hermann voting
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
So, guys like Finlay
Flash in the pan? Or a glimpse into what he’s capable of? Hat trick is kind of a big deal
I think judging a person off the best 17 minutes of their life
makes your past scouting look really strong…
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Was he a strong player in college?
Admittedly I had not heard of him prior to combine.
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
finished 2nd in voting for the Hermann trophy
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
He was good
one of the top seniors as noted above. But he also didn’t come to the Combine with a pre-singed senior deal. Which means on average MLS thought he may fall.
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Columbus should know
We get one annually against them
by Tstuar on Jan 12, 2012 10:06 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Dallas has to take Hoffman.
They just have to.
by Jason Riptide on Jan 12, 2012 9:51 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Starting to look like we may have a shot at a nice GA player.
Too early to hope for Martinez or Hoffman?
Those were the two I was secretly hoping for
But didn’t think we’d get. I thought for sure both were top ten picks.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:53 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
SO Hoffman, Tyler Polak, Hedges, Estridge...all on the board still
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I want Polak of that group
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I'm hearing Polak goes in second round and
May be availableto the Sounders pick there.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:55 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Hearing from where
or who?
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Ives
Just a mock I read. I’m not plugged in like you Dave. I’m just saying he could be this year’s Tetteh or Sean Johnson – a GA that goes past the first round.
by James Bray on Jan 12, 2012 9:59 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Who would you take?
I think the Sounders might be eyeing Polak or Dom despite the poor combine performances.
Please no Dom Dwyer...
and if we do draft him I hope he makes me eat so much crow I get diseases.
Every time you see his name
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He's the one guy in this draft outside of Wenger and Mattocks
that I feel strongly about.
The opposite way though
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Hedges nice pick for FC Dallas
Guy is the real deal. Will fill that spot left by George John.
FC Dallas #11
Matt Hedges
Dallas does fairly well with defenders, and need one as John is headed to England.
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Wait until the 2nd round
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Toronto FC #12
Aaron Maund
Needs based pick, but solid.
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A reach though
They might have been able to get some juicy allocation dollars or international slots by trading down.
possibility Seattle deals to jump a spot?
Hoffman and Enzo still available…
by Jason Riptide on Jan 12, 2012 9:57 AM PST via Android app reply actions
I think there are enough players Seattle likes
that they don’t need to trade.
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by Dave Clark on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Is Seattle thinking holy crap we have like 6 of our 11 that we talked about on our list still and we pick third.
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I like Enzo
But it would’ve been nice to have had a choice between the two. Greedy, I know :)
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
well
at least we only have to face him once.
makes
sense wit the rumors of them shipping Mwanga out.
This might mean that Mwanga is being replaced....
or we’re getting Le Toux back.
Love to see Polak slip
If they don’t think Tetteh can make the grade defensivley it would be great to pick up some Full Back depth
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Chanlder Hoffman
(They won the Draft BORGASM)
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by Dave Clark on Jan 12, 2012 10:01 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Estridge is a LB and he could be another Chris on the team
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Polak would be great
GA player as depth for LB. Perfect outcome. Way better than I would have hoped for.
thought he was crap in the player combine
but I’ve never seen him play otherwise, and from what I hear he’s a very fine player.
I’m on the Polak BW.
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Tony Cascio
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Woo
Cascio to Crapids. Polak and Enzo available for us!
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 10:03 AM PST reply actions
Wow Durable
I didn’t see that coming.
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All right lets meet our newest sounder
or trade the pick
Dave could you please have
the twitter handle ready for our newest member, we got to give him the Seattle welcome by adding 1000 followers in one day.
Looks like @Durn15
It’s locked, though!
@ritual605
by Greg Pirkl Lives on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
What kind of athlete wants a right to privacy
My kind of athlete. Maybe I’ll tone down the critiques then.
Really ESPN?
Sounders Key Losses: Sanna Nyassi? Please update your graphics at least once a year.
by SmartAssCoug on Jan 12, 2012 10:06 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Colorado
made their pick as ESPN was still going through the graphics
They must have cycled our logo up early then.
I see that now that they’ve come back to commercial they have the right info up.
by SmartAssCoug on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Pat Noonan, big time key loss
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George John LOANED to West Ham
short term with option to buy
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It's like the M's 2011 draft. FREAK OUT!!! AHHH
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
?
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Looking forward to some new ECS songs
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by LoiteringWithIntent on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
This made me laugh
but does not make me feel better
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
All of them
Meet our new center defense!
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Touche
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Seattle Sounders #15
Creighton Defender Andrew Duran
I’ll be back in a while.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's a biographical snapshot of Duran
http://www.sounderatheart.com/2012/1/12/2702504/andrew-duran-newest-sounder-with-15th-pick-in-draft
I’ll be honest. He wasn’t on my short list.
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You're not the only one
I don’t think he was on anyone’s short list. Outside Sigi and Co. I mean….he’s not even from SoCal!
Also, I'm reassured that he's on the top ten of Mauerci's big board
He knows college soccer well. Especially East Coast players.
meaning can slide to the middle or play on either side
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It reminds me a bit of the Estrada pick
Corban Bone fell to us and everyone knew we needed an attacking mid so we grabbed Estrada.
Based on everything I've never seen
I’ll have to agree with you.
by python6114 on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I will say this though
On MLS website main stream, every other pick in this round it gives you the option to watch video highlites of the player…well except one player they have no highlites for at least not yet. Our guy.
Seems like a need pick.
This low I really would have hoped we’d go for BPA. Guess we maybe didn’t have the international slot?
Ah yes. This is the Seattle I remember.
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by Perrinbar on Jan 12, 2012 10:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
First question for the Conference Call
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Dwyer to Kansas
I think Dwyer will do decently
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM PST reply actions
More forwards
for KC? Aren’t they pretty stacked there?
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Hell yeah!
I would be behind this 100%.
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I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Next up to bat at the Little League World Series...
Dom Dwyer
Favorite Player: Thierry Henry
Favorite Team: Liverpool FC
Loves: Mike and Ikes
Great stuff from ESPN!
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by 253Sounder on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Remember competative fairness in MLS
Our front office all ready does the scouting that gives our international signings an extremely higher success rate then the other teams. In order to continue that great success the MLS makes us sign an agreement that says we have to use our late first round draft picks on guys that don’t make sense.
Hey 3 left backs and none that really stands out, lets use our first rounder to throw a rookie in that situation, after using our first pick last year to draft a rookie at left back.
He's not a left back
played CB for Creighton, CB, RB and RM at Combine
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I don’t mean to be all negative or nothing, but we always draft super weirdly. If Zakuani hadn’t been such a no-brainer, I’m sure we would have come from way out in left field there too. It is what it is. We’ve had immense success without drafting very well. I think we are going to be fine if that continues, although drafting well could vault us over the top. Still, I can live with random picks.
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Last season was a knock-it-out-of-the-park draft
Four players stuck with the team with one GA and one who played plenty of minutes. All with 2nd round picks. That’s a great draft. For some reason I think Sigi and company do better in the 2nd round rather than the first.
by Dizzo on Jan 12, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My question is
could we have gotten Duran Duran in the 2nd round?
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I think there's a high likelihood he would still be there when we picked again
Or if we traded to get higher in the 2nd
2011 has a chance to be great long term. But we only kept 2 of the 4 we drafted in the 2nd round. Meredith came back on after he lost to Josh Ford and Boss was forced out with concussions. Tetteh is still a major work in progress. If he develops, then we did well, if he turns into Montano, lots of promise but not much to show for it, then I fail to see how we did all that well.
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I don't think it is fair to say that the Sounders don't draft well.
Their 2009 draft was a clear success, and 2011 looks pretty good (although it is far to early to say).
The 2009 draft looks a success because of Zak. If you take him out of the equation it’s not as clearly successful. At that point it’s all about Fucito, who I love, but I think that was anomalous. As for 2011, it’s ripe with potential, but Carrasco is the only solid one from that year in terms of production so far. I’m just saying that we draft… oddly.
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seven players in 3 years
that doesn’t suck
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Now Dave, all I’m saying is, we’ve rarely drafted impact players, with the exception of Zakuani in year 1. That’s all. When you see some of the names that came through the draft, it’s just unfortunate we’ve never managed to grab one. We could definitely be drafting worse. But I don’t think you can reasonably claim we couldn’t draft better.
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Everyone rarely drafts impact players.
The MLS draft is like the 4th most important way to add talent.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Which is why I don’t really care that much. And why we’ve been successful. Somehow this got turned around from my intent. Original point intended to = “Sounders make peculiar draft choices frequently, hasn’t really seemed to be a problem, thus I just roll with it.”
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Since the draft is random chance
then if Zakuani doesn’t recover to the same level, we will be the worst drafting team in MLS.
Yep out of all our draft picks in the last three years only 2 of them played more then 900 minutes in MLS competition. Fucito and Carrasco, technically that’s two and neither of them are starters. Ianni was a draft day trade, so someone else all ready made the pick for them.
to clarify
I mean only 2 played significant first team minutes in MLS competition in 2011.
impact players...
…are rarely made from the draft, at least in their first few years of play.
I'd rather have a successful season
so that we’re not in position to draft impact players.
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by LoiteringWithIntent on Jan 12, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
We've also never had to draft based on need.
Which in turn gives us the ability to be more creative and take chances with players; going for the homerun, so to say.
by Jackington on Jan 12, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The 2010 draft has turned out pretty well too
Both Estrada and Seamon are still with the team. Seamon would have seen quite a bit of time in 2011 if he had not been injured.
Duran
It’s the smart choice. Not nearly as sexy as I was hoping, but smart none-the-less……
smart choice for round 2
Ugh
by Tstuar on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
only smart...
if we couldn’t pick him in the 2nd round. We should draft and trade or trade down.
by Iam333 on Jan 12, 2012 10:24 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Rolfe?
hahahaahahahahhahahah. Talk about riding on reputation. jesus.
Up on MLSSoccer.com's draft board at
http://www.mlssoccer.com/superdraft/2012/roundbyround, he’s the only player so far who doesn’t have any video highlights… :(
by SoundersForever on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 AM PST reply actions
I think thats probably a requisite for being a Sounders pick
I imagine a conversation along the lines of:
Adrian: do you have video highlights of XXX?
MLS: Yes.
(sound of paper crumpling)
Adrian: How about XXX?
MLS: No.
Adrian: Great, we’ll take him.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
which site?
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
Link?
I’m refreshing their “live” tracker and no link is appearing
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
can't link
Look at the related videos though
by Tstuar on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Every player in the first round has a "Watch this player in action" video....
…except Duran. That was my point.
by SoundersForever on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
There is one on the site that I found
most of it is him standing and a second of him covering a cough (or yawn). Oh, and a little deflection he made.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
like the worst highlight video ever.
He covers his cough, so that is good
by Tstuar on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
a stretch
Too call it a play even
by Tstuar on Jan 12, 2012 11:38 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't want him at all
unless he can cover his cough and deflect through balls at the same time.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
It's a clever ploy. Attacker sees clear path because. . .
Duran is coughing (and thus invisible, like a ref). Suddenly he’s back in action and stuns his prey into giving up the ball. Should work for a few years at least.
He looks like Jesus
interview video here
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Just award them the cup now.
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by AKSupporter on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Your next Golden Boot winner
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Saw this
on the Creighton website:
“Duran, a first-team all-region and first-team all-conference defender, guided a defense which allowed only five goals during the Jays’ 21-2-1 season, while opponents managed less than three shots on goal per match”
Seems pretty impressive.
by Steve Hutchison on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
only five goals allowed the entire season!
by Steve Hutchison on Jan 12, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Defensive needs and Duran
My feeling is that this definitely looks like a needs based pick. We need more options on the back line. Depending on how things pan out we could certainly have a defending deficit by the end of the season. Duran will be one more potential option that is available to us after he has had time to play in the Reserve League games and acclimate to the leagues speed and style of play.
by Kiliman2004 on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
If Hungry Like the Wolf isn't sung every time he walks in
I will be incredibly disappointed
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 10:27 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
of all the positions on the field...
…CB and RB are spots on this team where a promising youngster could readily push for time in a backup capacity. From a depth perspective, the Duran pick fits the context well even if it’s fairly unsexy.
LB
is not exactly easy spot to fill and Seattle would probably have to look outside the league to do that.
Or have picked the GA guy available.
But, he is falling like a rock, so there is something going on with Polak.
no, not LB...
…since Leo is the starter, Burch was signed/acquired specifically to be the backup, and Tetteh could still conceivably push for backup time. Drafting a promising left back would have been a strong indicator against continuing trying the Tetteh in defense experiment.
At RB, Scott is a competent “situational” backup, but you don’t want to be forced to play him there from a matchup perspective.
Well sure, but we have recent signings to address RB
I know we have people on the roster to play LB, but it certainly doesn’t feel “locked” to me.
I think Scott is actually pretty good at RB as well.
Johanssen is the starter...
Sivabaek is a midfielder, and Scott is not a good MLS RB.
Sivebaek played nearly all of last season at RB
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hence my use of the present tense :-)
I’d be perfectly fine with Sivebaek serving in a RB backup role with the Sounders, but the evidence is not clearly there to declare that to be his role over here. If it is, Duran would probably have to be explained as a CB depth pick.
Which, honestly I'm fine with
I think we are pretty thin at “true” CBs and injuries could really weaken the back line in front of a brand new GK.
it's a reasonable approach...
… but with Hurtado/Parke/Ianni/Scott around I would have REALLY preferred taking, say, Martinez instead of going after CB depth…. the RB story just makes the pick that much more palatable.
I know Sivabaek wants to play MF
But the majority of his minutes in his club career have been spent at RB.
but then, what was he signed to be?
I agree if they brought him in with the understanding that he would be backing up RB then the depth question there is not as significant as at forward or LB (depending on what you call Tetteh), but since his departure was rumored to be caused in part by positional dissatisfaction…
also a distinct loss of playing time in the Fall
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Wasn't that largely because of his push to play MF over RB?
Or am I making that up?
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
that's certainly the rumor...
it ain’t just you.
I believe he was signed to play RB
Which is why my initial comment was intended to raise the question that LB is our greatest need, or rather greatest opportunity for upgrade.
personally...
…I’m not a big fan of Burch, so in some ways I’m inclined to agree. But apparently the team sees enough in him to commit to him as a backup.
Maybe Tetteh is futher along than we know
I like Martinez but he’s more of an CAM and we don’t play with one. The last GA FWD was Dwyer and we needed more of a TF. I like the pick, even though I was hoping for the sexy pick. I trust the FO and the scouts. They wanted a CB and Duran wouldn’t have been there at their 2nd pick. Im ok with it.
I agree that Martinez isn't a terrific fit for us
But his talent at that pick would’ve been pretty good value
Lots of defenders being picked ahead of him
Media reports were that his Combine was pretty poor. Was it THAT poor?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
Polak and Martinez still available
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 10:47 AM PST reply actions
Whoops
I have not had coffee yet today
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Duran has had 2 seasons ended by knee injuries
Yikes
by Tstuar on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Our field turf should
really help fix that problem.
I think this is a good pick for the Revolution
I thought he’d slip, but not into the 2nd. I thought he was on the Sounders short list for sure.
First Round
Montreal Impact – Andrew Wegner M
Vancover Whitecaps – Darren Mattocks F
NE Revolution – Kelyn Rowe M
Toronto FC – Luis Silva M
Chivas USA – Casey Townsend F
SJ Earthquakes – Sam Garza F
DC United – Nick Deleon M
PDX Timbers – Andrew Jean-Baptiste D
Chicago Fire – Austin Berry D
Columbus Crew – Ethan Finlay F
FC Dallas – Matt Hedges D
Toronto FC – Aaron Maund D
Philadelphia Union – Chandler Hoffman F
Colorado Rapids – Tony Cascio M
Seattle Sounders – Andrew Duran D
Sporting KC – Dom Dwyer F
Real Salt Lake – Enzo Martinez M
Houston Dynamo – Colin Rolfe F
LA Galaxy – Tommy Meyer
by agtk on Jan 12, 2012 10:52 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
mlssoccer.com
I guess
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it
annoying that we can’t watch the entire draft.
The announcers made it sound like you could keep watching on espn3
this is weird.
by BaltimoreIslander on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Jacob Hustedt from UW at #25
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by chrisso on Jan 12, 2012 11:04 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I like Kohei Yamada
He’s a midfielder, but showed some good creativity and passing. RJ Allen (RB) is also still available. Anyone else like y’all like for the Sounders in the 2nd round?
Got it.
Could Duran with a little extra bulking up be another Jeff Parke
Both guys 6’1" with good instincts, intelligent players.
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I think so
Right now my main concerns are his knees. Hopefully he’s also more Parke than Evans on the injury front.
He's mainly a CB
just got off call.
He started as CM, moved to CB with a tiny bit of RB
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Sounds John-esque
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
He's 6'1
but a little slight
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Was only referring to the positions
was not inferring we’re getting the next George John, though that would be really nice.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
A CB alternative to Ianni?
I feel that this pick also reflects on Ianni’s quality of play last year, or lack of it. After how well he played filling in for Hurtado in 2010 I was very disappointed in how he played in 2011. Assuming the FO feels the same way, I think this pick reflects their desire to have alternatives available if Ianni continues to under perform.
by Kiliman2004 on Jan 12, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Well we might have grabbed him
but now the Sounders Front Office knows someone in Seattle heard of him and they have to look elsewhere.
yea
they had to go from the espn2 feed to espn3
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Shame on you ESPN for stopping the broadcast of the SuperDraft for Mike n Mike, a radio show of two guys talking on camera. Shame.
a tape delay too
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a best of show too
random segments taken from 6-10 am… do people really sit around and wait for the best of mike and mike to come on? versus an event that only happens once a year… not daily
by BaltimoreIslander on Jan 12, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Mike and Mike is really popular, and the second round of the draft is just not all that important.
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
but it’s popular in the morning.. as a morning show… on the drive to work
not so good that people watch the best of show mid afternoon
by BaltimoreIslander on Jan 12, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sure
everyone is just as shocked as i am but whats up with the lack of trades.
Or do you mean swapping draft picks?
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Biggest surprise for me was the lack of movement from Houston
Kinear usually loves to wheel and deal
Aubrey Perry goes to Columbus
Brendan King mid from Notre Dame to Timbers
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zzzzzzzzzzzz
how much longer till the sounders’ pick?
20 minutes or so
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Hunter Jumper
or Hunter Freeman best name?
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unscientific analysis on my part
says with a name like hunter jumper, you are destined to be a superstar. I think we need him, whatever position it is he plays
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Taken by the Fire unfortunately
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He can't dunk but decent timing on rebounds and diving for loose balls.
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Think the Fire fans sing Third Eye Blind every time Jumper comes on the field?
… they better.
by BaltimoreIslander on Jan 12, 2012 11:18 AM PST reply actions
That seals it
We need this guy
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 12, 2012 11:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
And there ends the run of players I had interest in seeing go to Rave Green
I know it’s really early to tell, but I’m still scratching my head on the Duran pick.
Kevon George to Columbus Crew
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Here you go
Sporting KC at pick 10
took a guy from Coastal Carolina. No one knows this guy.
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Sure Kansas City did, but
15 picks after the Sounders, some other team also picked someone that no one is heard of, but I expect that in the 2nd round, that’s the gambling round.
I will say, it sounds like the Sounders had their eye on him for a while
I don’t think it was an accident he was “in Seattle” this summer. So for what it’s worth, they got “their” guy, apparently.
Nah, that's just a cliche
I have to believe that someone in some front office somewhere has the ability to evaluate talent effectively from picks 6 through 10 at least.
by python6114 on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not a cliche
only 8-10 players from any draft make it
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playing semi-regularly in MLS or better
after 3 years
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didn't see this post
I’d have to believe the number is larger. I’d consider what Carrasco did being semi-regular.
Also I’d consider Ianni being semi-regular too being the first back up at CD.
Ianni was a high pick GA player
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I could have sworn you said
that 7 of the Sounders dratees are still making the team. With a number like that it’s hard for me to believe that only 7-10 draftees make it a year. Unless our definition of “make it” is way different.
most don't play
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True
but we are only 3 years at it. I still expect that Estrada could possibly get some more minutes this year, and if not then this’ll probably be his last year.
Duran people heard of
People that pay attention to college soccer don’t know cyrian
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Sorry Dave
I only base my responses on other people’s draft boards and whether or not MLS had video highlites.
by python6114 on Jan 12, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
For those watching,
Is there anyone sitting at the RBNY table? Bored looking intern with a blackberry maybe?
Red Bull pick Ryan Meira
the best keeper in the draft.
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RJ Allen for second round pick?
Seems like a slight reach (according to some), but that seems to be our thing.
Wrong
Our thing is to pick someone no one is considering.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
The Sounders are back on the clock
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With our 2nd round pick we select Prince Tagoe!
Oh wait, that isn’t possible?
Michael Ballack is taken with the 34th pick overall
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With the way MLS allocates player rights
I would not be even slightly surprised by this
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 12, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Thought we were claiming him as an HGP?
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Im pretty sure we can claim Messi as a HGP
on the grounds that he played part of a game here in seattle.
Jaqua's name is still wrong under Key Losses for Sounders
Or did we lose Nate Jacqua, too?
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maybe in 09
but there is no way he was key last year.
A freak athlete according to Twellman
We could use a couple of those. But do we have space for a project?
He was picked in the MLSSoccer Mock
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Had the weirdest feeling Seattle would take Sodade for the past 3 or 4 days.
No idea why, I just thought so…barely seen him play
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Seattle Sounders pick #34
UAB Forward Babayele Sodade
The leaper
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They found a cure for that, haven't they?
Oh… Leaper. Never mind.
Hurry up, SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT TO THINK!
by quacker27 on Jan 12, 2012 11:46 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
6'3"
I like that
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Great size.
I’m watching combine video now. He plays really big. Strong leg, good physical forward. Looks very interesting
He has video highlites on MLS's website
That’s a huge plus for me.
by python6114 on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As a casual fan (wearing jeans, t-shirt and sneakers)...
that’s all I can really ask for.
I'm a Pool fan myself
Anyone who likes the teams that play that style of football are all right by me.
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What is the over under by midnight tonight?
500?
585?
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6"3 and his vertical leap was beyond their measuring apparatus...
We can actually put a couple tall guys out there with Sivebaek and Soldade. He’s a bit of a project…but looks like a good one.
He'll probably get some of Jaqua's minutes if he makes the team. (Big if)
That’ll be an interesting contrast.
I saw some film of him...
and he looks nothing like a giraffe when he runs.
by exSlacker on Jan 12, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well
he’s international (Canadian) which will require an international slot. We have 1 right now 2 as soon as Seattle announces Fernandez has received his green card.
How about...
From UAB’s site:
“… also lead the team in shots (44) and shots on goal (23) … converted 3-of-4 penalty kicks on the campaign …”
Pulls the trigger. And hits PKs.
For the Sounders, 3/4 on PK's is fantastic.
That’s average on any average team though.
Does it say how many games played that he has the shots and shots on goal?
by SoundersForever on Jan 12, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
all here
http://www.uabsports.com/sports/m-soccer/mtt/sodade_babayele00.html
Definite potential. We’ll see how camp goes.
Sodade's 2011 stats (from UAB website)
Games – 21
Goals – 13
Assists – 5
Shots – 53
Shots on Goal – 29
http://www.uabsports.com/sports/m-soccer/mtt/sodade_babayele00.html
So did we get a young Parke and OBW? Or...
two projects that get farmed to a PDL team?
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Nope we got a young
John Terry and Darren Bent
Come on guys dream big.
If he's young there's still time!
Quick, arrange an intensive week-long training for Sodade explaining the offside rule!
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 12, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
You mean internationals
as in outside US and Canada?
Not to go OT, but HUGE changes to CCL starting in 2012-13.
Summarized: eight groups of three teams each, eliminating the initial knockout stage. That reduces travel and fixture congestion both. Waiting to see how it’s implemented, but I am cautiously optimistic.
Only group winners advance
That’s a bit scary
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by LoiteringWithIntent on Jan 12, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Its
not like its 8 groups of 4 where only the winner moves on.
I agree
So long as we get one match against a Carribean team.
So
am i reading it right that US club vs Mexican club won’t happen in group stage?
I don't think so.
tHe top two US and Mexican teams won’t face each other, but the second two US/Mexican teams likely will face a higher ranked team from the other country.
Actually, I read that wrong; there will DEFINATELY be 2 US vs. MEX match ups
since there can’t be two clubs from the same country in the same group.
but
if there’s 8 group would it possible for the US teams not to be in a group with a Mexican side.
I guess
its a wait and see till the draw happens.
Um.
From the link above: "No team will face another club from the same country in the group stage – except in the case of a reallocated or “wild card” berth, and each group will contain either a Mexican or U.S. club."
So given that there are only 8 clubs total from the US and Mexico in the draft, doesn’t that mean there won’t be any pools which contain teams from both countries?
by Kenneth Jung on Jan 12, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
It says that each group will contain a US or Mex side,
So with 4 Mex qualifiers and 4 US qualifiers and 8 groups.
No Mex with US in the group stage.
Should actually help the MLS teams get to the quarters. Plus it results in less games in the group stage, thus less travel. Sounds like a win win.
so getting LA's 2nd slot means nothing now
you meant I rooted for the Gals to win MLS cup for nothing…ugh I think I feel sick
by Colin Johnson on Jan 12, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't apply until 12-13
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by LoiteringWithIntent on Jan 12, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
good god
it’s already 2012.
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by LoiteringWithIntent on Jan 12, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Wouldn't
we be a top seed group regardless of the charge since we qualified for group stage as 2nd best MLS team.
That's what it looks like to me
I like these changes; we should be the favorites in our group.
by Miki Turner on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
That is true
But it really is not that different from being favorites for the second spot in the previous format.
That's how I read it
And it sounds like there will be no Mexican side in our group either.
by Miki Turner on Jan 12, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I cannot see it that way
It does not improve our chance of qualifying. I actually think that getting to the top two when a Mexican team is included in four-team group might be easier than winning a three-team group that does not have a Maxican team.
Not playing competitive matches against Mexican teams is a loss for us and MLS as a whole. Playing competitively against superior teams is a great way of improving the team and individual players. Playing against Mexican teams has also been a good measuring stick for MLS.
That may
be a drawback but having to play 2-4 less games is big especially on the travel.
Doing away with CCL would be even bigger
I hate how this reduces the prestige of the tournament.
The next natural step will be to revert back to the Champions’ Cup format (only 8 teams, equivalent to the current Championship Round).
it means being seeded first
facing weaker two teams, as opposed to a team nominally better and one weaker.
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It's cool draft is pretty boring
Thanks for the link.
So three pods to draw for the 8 groups, Pods B&C are guesses
Pod A
4 Mexican and 4 American teams
Pod B
2 Honduran, 2 Costa Rican, 2 Guatemalan and 2 Salvadorian
Pod C
3 Caribbean, 2 Panamanian, 1 Nicaraguan, 1 from Belize and 1 Canadian.
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I see the Pots like this
Pot 1
US 1 & 2
Mex 1 & 2
HON 1
CR 1
GUAT 1
SAL 1
POT 2
US 3 & 4
MEX 3 & 4
HON 2
CR 2
GUAT 2
SAL 2
Pot 3
CAR 1, 2 & 3
PAN 1 & 2
NIC 1
BEL 1
CAN 1
PAN and Sal may be switched depending on how they want to do seeding.
by MurrayD on Jan 12, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also note US and MEX cant be together in Group
Since each Group has to have a MEX and US team.
This makes more sense.
Thanks AAAA and MurrayD
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