2012 Draft Continues Defensive Makeover, Finds Cover At Forward
With neither of Seattle Sounders FC's MLS SuperDraft picks being from Generation Adidas nor pre-signed seniors or internationals the two players are going to have to fight to make the tight roster. A roster that may get even tighter before they report as General Manager Adrian Hanauer said during today's conference call there are "other deals that are possibly pending or getting close." This means that though one can guess at what Andrew Duran and Babayele Sodade bring to the table, their additions are not assured. Hanauer also said, "Duran and Sodade will have to come in and work hard coming out of this draft. We have a very deep and strong team and we hope they prove to us that they belong on the roster and ultimately earn minutes and have an impact on the team."
If they do make the squad they bring different things. Sodade is a similar style of player to O'Brian White, who it is clear the team is stilled concerned about coming back to regular play. Three different times Coach Sigi Schmid mentioned White's health as a reason Seattle looked to Sodade who Schmid describes as;
... [a] big body. He’s a big presence up front, he’s got good pace. Obviously for us, one of our concerns as we go into this season is the recovery of O’Brian White, so we’ve got some forwards. We went on the move and we got [Sammy] Ochoa, but Sodade is different. He’s a much bigger body than Sammy. He showed well at the combine, he’s had a good career at UAB and he’s the kind of player who could be a surprise guy like [Kansas City forward] C.J. Sapong was last year.
This is a bit of a return from the style of play which ended Seattle season. Schmid noted that hold up play isn't limited to tall, bulky man mentioning that Mike Fucito held the ball up well, but with the team losing Nate Jaqua and White's question there was need for not just a high forward, but a target type. He also mentioned that Sodade was the only one like that in the draft.
While that will be a return to more extensive target play, the 15th pick of Duran continues a new style of defense for the team. A style that started with the losses of Tyson Wahl and James Riley and continued with additions of Adam Johansson and Christian Sivebaek. While Duran is much more of a centerback, his style is composure on ball and smart passing.
Schmid described his play;
He’s a very steady player. He’s not a flashy guy. He’s not going to crush the huge tackles, but he’s a guy who takes care of the ball, who completes his passes, who is fast. He’s got good feet and [...] can deal with faster, quicker forwards in the league, as well. He’s somebody who tends to not make many positional errors.
Duran, who is thrilled to continue playing for one of the best supported teams but at a new level, his concern about MLS is not about the physical nature. Instead it is about the mental pace of things.
Primarily I need to catch up with the speed. A lot of people underestimate the speed of MLS. When I was in Seattle this summer, I was in the middle of a 5 v 2 game for probably 10 minutes. The speed adjustment can be a big thing, but once I can catch up there I think everything else will come into play. I’m talking about the speed of the game.
He has to make the team, but this is the type of player who should punt the ball less frequently. Seattle is trying to transition to this style their new rightback, possible backup rightback and even the keeper fit the mold. There may be a bit more immediate risk from the tactical switch, but it should also mean that the team is in better shape when advancing the ball.
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I would
be disappointed of Sodade doesn’t make the team.
although
question if OBW status is so uncertain wouldn’t that make sure thing that Sodade makes the squad unless there is someone else that would that Seattle would sign that can play as a forward?
What is the roster impact of OBW?
Could we release him while he’s still recovering if we wanted? Does he count against our cap and take a roster spot? If so I’m thinking we might need to consider moving on from OBW, because having two slots filled by injured players is a lot for what we have to overcome with all the competitions this year. It sounds cold, but what happens when we have another major injury? Are we then up to 3 slots filled by injured players?
We
can easily open an roster spot by ILing White but we do not get any cap relief
I really don't think the Sounders are going to cut OBW while he's recovering
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 12, 2012 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Sounders are working hard
to establish a reputation as a great place for players. Part of that is doing the right thing by the player when they are injured.
Much depends on the 'pending' announcements
AH’s comments could mean many different things
1. Today’s draft was historically quiet. For the first time in MLS draft history, none of today’s picks changed hands on draft day. Going into the draft Seattle was as likely a trade partner as any team, yet they stood pat and drafted for need. This could be indicative that they were only looking for people to push the reserve spots in camp. This makes sense if they are planning to fill out there roster from outside the league. Trading up for a player who might not make the roster doesn’t make sense. Trading for other players also doesn’t make sense if you’ve already lined up bodies. The team could have traded for AM, future picks or International slots, but may not have been able to work the right deal. At the end of the day, drafting for need and giving two young man a shot at the brass ring didn’t cost anything up front and may pay off.
2. There may also be a delayed trade of someone drafted today. I doubt it, but two teams may have been close to terms and just need to hammer out the details.
3. Today’s picks may enable a team to trade someone else on their roster.
4. A big international transfer may be looming just over the horizon. This could go in either direction or may set off a domino effect.
Should be interesting.
Sure
its possible. But I’m kinda doubting on #4 if it was a big international transfer there would be rumors about it unless it happens to be an unknown sort of like Whitecaps DP signing.
Sounders run a tight ship
Interstingly the rumors never seem to originate from the Sounders’ end of the deal. Ever noticed how often the rumors always result in the ’he’s a player we’re interested in’ line. And when the Sounders deal a player there is nary a peep? Do you remember hearing anything before Wahl was traded?
If the Sounders are working a transfer of one their players like Flaco you might not hear anything more than has already circulated until it is done. This would then cause a cascade.
by Abbott Smith on Jan 12, 2012 5:50 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't
mean rumors from the sounders side. I mean from the player side/agent etc. Usually if there is a rumor that such and such player is ends up coming here (like sivbaek, adam etc) we usually hear about it before the team announces it.
I really like the Duran pick
It was mentioned in the Draft thread that he was part of a defense that allowed only five goals to be scored over the entire season. Five!
On a related topic, is there any indication that aside from deciding who stays and who goes for the final three spots, that this is what the roster is going to look like? Or has the FO hinted that there may be more to come?
Adrian said
they’re working on possibly closing on another deal or two.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 12, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'm
wondering if seattle isn’t actually done cutting players. Estrada and seamon comes to mind.
I don't see
seattle cutting Sanyang unless they need the international spot for someone else. Seattle does have a # of players that can play on the wing side unless i am wrong Estrada may be on the bottom of the depth chart.
Levesque?
Estrada’s skill set is also probably third string at withdrawn forward. He hasn’t done anything to forfeit the chance to contribute.
Levesque
is your formidfender of the team (super sub). He isn’t going anywhere. He’s pretty cheap.
Estrada
isn’t 3rd string at WF Rosales is i believe.
with the notable caveat...
that he’s better used at right wing and can’t be two places on the field at once (though he does do an admirable job of trying).
by nimajneb on Jan 12, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
now that Estrada's gotten training in at rb...
…there’s no position Levesque plays that he doesn’t, unless you count the shouldn’t-be-tried-again use in a target forward role. Estrada and Levesque are equally cheap. Estrada is younger and, imho, better. So if it comes down to the fringe player on the back end of his career or the young talent who’s never been given a chance?
Levesque
is a senior player and estrada is a Reserve player (#25-30).
If Seattle plans to sign Duran and Sodade or anyone else that would fit in #25-30 spots, they would need to open #26-30 spot up. I believe they currently already have 1 of those spots open when Montano left.
Cutting a senior player for a reserve spot player doesn’t make sense.
the roster equation is not as obtuse as you seem to think it is
These are flexible parts. The team is mostly likely going to keep the best 28-30 players, not the ones that neatly fit into one roster spot or another.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 12, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
And
i trust the team to make that decision on who the best 28-30 player are.
Even if that means i end up disappointed.
which means...
that Estrada can be payed less than Levesque if he’s applied to slots 25-30, not that he MUST be. Essentially, If you’re committing to paying the senior roster spot for one or the other they are financially a wash. As the equation is salary-neutral, I would again go for the younger, better player.
by nimajneb on Jan 12, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Estrada
may be younger but that doesn’t make him a better player than Levesque
Now, that is the crux of the issue
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 12, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
no it doesn't
His speed and techinal skill make him better than Levesque. His youth makes it such that, even if you disagree with me on those points, you should cease to disagree in the near future.
by nimajneb on Jan 12, 2012 9:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Youth can
also work against Estrada. He’s been with the team 2 years and question remains if he has improved his game enough to where he deserve to remain on the roster. And thats up to the team to decide.
Unfortunately i just don’t see Estrada getting the necessary playtime on this team beyond reserve games and maybe ope open cup games if he’s lucky.
We will just have to agree with disagree. And accept what ever the team decides to do.
well...
If that’s all the match time trial a young player gets up against fringe competition, following a season in which the player earned praise in reserve play, then it’s a shame.
The organization has benefitted from giving key roles to some very young players, and I defy anyone to argue Estrada’s gotten a real chance to prove himself.
by nimajneb on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I am not going to say one player is better than the other
However, I will comment on the “I defy anyone to argue Estrada’s gotten a real chance to prove himself” part of you post. Playing time is earned, not given. If he had earned more playing time in practice, then he would have received more playing time during games that count.
Very
good point there regarding playing time.
practice is a flawed measure...
…I can only speak to the performances I can see, and blind trust in coach’s judgment on the matter is exceedingly dull.
I “can” say that, given the evidence Sigi’s patterns of player usage, the argument that Levesque is better simply on the basis of usage is completely unconvincing.
The history of MLS tells me that the argument that two years seeing limited minutes after the draft makes a player a loss is unmitigated crap.
by nimajneb on Jan 12, 2012 10:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Every single one point in your post is your opinion and personal biases
No coach or anybody should give blind trust in any coach. However, there are coaches that have earned more benefit of the doubt than others. Sigi is definitely one of those coaches.
Whatever numbers that MLS may or may not have is irrelevant. What is relevant is what has actually occurred with this team. Therefore, show me all the players that received little playing time with the Sounders the first two years that left the Sounders and became stars or even big contributors for their new team? I can name one and only one, LeToux.
Frankly, I think your entire premise falls apart when looking at a guy like Lamar Neagle. Neagle was not good enough. Sigi cut him from the Sounders and told him to work on his game. He came back and made the team. Then, he earned his way onto the field in practice.
Maybe Estrada turns out to be a player or maybe he doesn’t. But, to say that he is better than Levesque based on no actual proof is just you using your personal bias.
I stated my reasons for valuing him higher...
Technique, speed, upside. What I’ve heard in response is a circular argument. Levesque is better because he gets more minutes. Levesque gets more minutes because he’s better.
Neagle brought himself into more playing time by succeeding in competitive minutes that were forced by injuries and fixture conjestion.
If what you ask is that a player, like Neagle, earn praise from the coaches in practice and in reserve play, and that they make the 18. Estrada’s done all those things. One key difference is that he hasn’t been given an extended run on field.
Bias… stating Estrada should be the man cut based on NOT having seen him is evidence of somewhat lesser merit than “bias.”
by nimajneb on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The times I have seen Estrada
He has demonstrated IMO atrocious judgment in distribution, and no outstanding skill that would give me hope for his development. My guess — and it’s only a guess, based on a small sample of observation — is that he has no future with this club and will be cut. I won’t miss him.
I would cut Sanyamg before Estrada
The team clearly hasn’t found a position he’s good enough at to get regular minutes. First year he was tried at withdrawn forward. Next year on the wings. The latest was that they were thinking of converting him to RB. Now we’re covered there.
He’s by all accounts a hard worker, but at this stage I wonder if he’ll ever have the physical attributes and technical skills to stick long-term with a team. We hardly saw him on his third year with the team.
okay
you lost me there you. You mean Estrada before Sanyamg cause you given the reason of why Estrada should be cut.
I mean
you lost me at " I would cut Sanyamg before Estrada " I was wondering if you meant i would cut Estrada before Sanyamg
Oh....yeah...poor English skilz on my part
Yesh. Would you believe at one point in time I was an English major? Yes, I would cut Estrada before Sanyang. I was multitasking and obviously not paying attention.
I've seen nothing from Sanyang that suggests he's remotely better than Estrada
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 12, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't seen much of Sanyang
No one has really. However, by all accounts, he’s taller, stronger and younger. He may even be faster. I think he may have a higher ceiling and be given a chance. I imagine the Sounders see some potential there or they wouldn’t have signed him mid-season.
Estrada has been here for quite a while and has yet to show anything that blows me away. I saw him a couple of times live at reserve games last year. Based on what I’ve seen I don’t think he’ll ever be more than a deep, deep reserve on the Sounders.
I haven't
been much impressed with him either but that is based on a small sample of games i seen him play.
What Sanyang has is potential
What Estrada has is far superior technical ability. I really don’t think anyone outside of the Sounders coaching staff has seen enough of either to have a definitive opinion on the two. That said, of what I’ve seen, Sanyang has not shown me anymore in limited time than Estrada has in slightly less limited time.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 13, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Sanyang didn't play more because of fitness and concussion recovery
Not because he wasn’t good.
He’s not yet 20
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chris, see above
A roster that may get even tighter before they report as General Manager Adrian Hanauer said during today’s conference call there are “other deals that are possibly pending or getting close.” This means…
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Sorry
I was too excited yesterday about all the draft stuff, I skimmed pretty quick through that.
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 13, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
If Duran is hungry like a wolf
he is sure to make the team. As long as he doesn’t say “No mas.”
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Interesting twitter by Joe Mauceri on Duran
“Duran has the talent to be top 10, only concern is can he stay healthy. @TaylorTwellman – missed time in his freshman year.”
Time missed in his freshman year
was due to mononucleosis. 2010 was supposed to be his senior season, but he was granted a medical redshirt after tearing a meniscus in his knee, cutting his season short in the fifth match. ()
I’d be much more concerned about the knee injury than missing time with mononucleosis during his freshman year.
by Randy Meeker on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Sigi talking to Gas on KJR
said Duran is “in the mold of .. Michael Parkhurst” and that he expects him to get playing time.
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In reports on Duran,
I have seen people say he can play center back as well as right back but I am wondering if this versatility can be used on the left side. With our solid centerback pairing and two additions at right back this offseason, Duran would seem to get much more playing time and be more of an influence if he played on the left side as well.
Competition for spots
Figured I’d just put names to places on the roster as I see it, makes it easier to gauge who may be competing with who.
Likely 18? (18)
Montero, Fucito, Ochoa, Neagle, Fernandez, Rosales, Evans, Alonso, Gonzalez, Parke, Hurtado, Ianni, Johansson, Gspurning, Ford, Sivebaek, Carrasco, Burch
Possible IL or in 18 (2)
OBW and Zakuani
Guys I wouldn’t miss if cut (2)
Levesque, Zach Scott
Vying for a roster spot (6)
Sanyang, Duran, Estrada, Sodade, Seamon, Meredith(?)
GA (1)
Tetteh
To me it seems like there are 8 guys that don’t have a guaranteed spot on this roster. I’m hoping we’re adding some depth so I don’t have to watch Levesque and Scott at all this season.
Seattle
isn’t going to be cutting any keeper unless they are getting a MLS back up vet.
Teams are required to carry three keepers as Dave pointed out earlier this week.
by Abbott Smith on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
That's interesting to me since they have the pool available
Don’t really understand how the pool technically works but it’s weird that 3 keeps would be a requirement with that safety net in place.
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 13, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
Pool was used last year even with 3 keepers
But the pool also was reduced to 2-3 players rather than 3-6
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I'd bet a lot of money Levesque and Scott aren't going anywhere
Aside from the two secondary keepers, your 18, two IL, and guys you wouldn’t miss will all be back. I don’t know what the GK plan is, but one of those two is all but guaranteed to come back. If we find someone else as #2, one will go, I’d guess Ford.
The guys really looking for a roster spot I would say are Sanyang, Duran, Estrada, Sodade, Seamon. Tetteh with his GA status and seemingly (?) good reviews from those who’ve seen him will probably be back as well. So that to me says we have 23 locks (Tetteh and one of Ford or Meredith). We also still have the supplemental draft, and it sounds like a couple deals that may also happen to consider.
by chrisperry1983 on Jan 13, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions
Training Camp
This conversation is spiraling. Next week the Sounders begin training camp. These men will decide the 2012 roster with their performance. These are not mid season roster decisions. This is the reality of professional sports. Each off season a sports team finds its new equilibrium. It is a form of musical chairs. 29-30 seats are available and ~36 men will compete for a seat at the table. Some of these men will be on the outside looking in when the music stops. Their performance will be the deciding factor.
This is far less abstract then the thread of this post is making it out to be. Mid season decisions are relatively abstract. Who gets invited is fairly abstract. By comparison, who is left standing is not. These men will relish the opportunity to earn a place on the team. As fans we should sit back and enjoy the spectacle rather than worry about who should make the team. This the one time in player’s season when they actually have a say in that process. I am not inclined to interlope.
by Abbott Smith on Jan 12, 2012 10:39 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Seconded, for the most part.
However, it’s tough to sit back and watch, totally unattached, while the team has some obvious positions of need. It is natural to want to see those needs satisfied, even if Player A (not filling a position of need) shows marginally better in training than Player B (filling a position of need).
Surely, as you say, each player needs to fight for his place in the squad. But, as a fan, I refuse to sit back passively. I see certain needs the team ought to fill, and barring a catastrophic showing in training, I will favor some additions over others because they fill those needs.
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by AKSupporter on Jan 13, 2012 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
Performance in context
There are many factors that will play a role in which players are selected.
1. Versatility
2. Experience and maturity
3. Positional needs
4. International roster slots (also a factor by position due to USOC rules)
5. Player cost
6. Physical skills
7. Soccer IQ
8. Simply fitting in
These are just a few of the factors that will influence the decision making process of the Sounders’ staff. Both of yesterday’s draft picks enter camp with certain advantages beyond just their skills. They hold US citizenship, will be cheap and they play positions where the roster is thin. Duran also has positional versatility and plays calm. Soldade has great physical upside. I like their chances.
My comment wasn’t meant to imply that performance is an isolated thing. I was simply saying that all of the talk about cutting players like Levesque, Estrada and Sanyang based on their previous performance is getting a bit out of hand.
The 2012 Sounders are new team. Each of these players is a year older. They start camp this week. The process of camp will establish the team’s new equilibrium. What earned a spot in 2011 won’t be enough to earn a spot in 2012. This is a deeper team with a modified style of play. Look at the defensive changes. Sigi is headed in a new direction out of the back. But even more look at what happened with Lamar Neagle. One year he was cut and the next he became a significant contributor. A player like Estrada might be this year’s Neagle. Training camp will sort it out and as fans, we can learn a lot over the next few weeks about how the pieces all fit together simply by watching the drama unfold. Without knowing how the pieces all fit together advocating for this player or that player to be cut is premature.
by Abbott Smith on Jan 13, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Well said.
There are so many variables it makes one’s head spin – I was focusing on merely one: positional depth. Stuff like ‘fitting in’, soccer IQ, maturity all factor in. Lord only knows which new (or players we simply haven’t seen much of) players will tick these boxes. This is where actually watching training is quite valuable (Dave, Jeremiah, and anyone else who gets to do this: you lucky bastards!).
On a somewhat related note – anyone heard anything about Cato and/or Ngassa lately? If they show up to camp, man will things get crowded.
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No word from the Sounders
All of the word is coming from where the players are from and there hasn’t been anything new for a few weeks or more. Camp is going to be crowded. I expect that the team will start camp with 5-6 more players than they expect to start the season with and then winnow the roster after they see how the pieces fit together. And I won’t be surprised if the team also invites additional players in like they did last year with players like Mauro.
by Abbott Smith on Jan 13, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Taking in to account the knocks that occur during the season
I fully expect to see Sodade get some first team time this year, as well as Duran. After watching a few videos of Sodade on the Tube, I am quite excited to see him play with the starters. I hope he plays with just as much aggressiveness and energy that the videos depicted.

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