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Remember The Trialist

Mauro Rosales is the exception, not the expectation for trialists

Last season a small tweetmeme of #TheTrialist started after Seattle Sounders FC reported non-drafted, non-contracted players as "trialist" in their reports of pre-season scrimmages. There were occasions when "Trialist 1" passed to "Trialist 4." Due to Major League Soccer's various player acquisition methods this was done to reduce the chances of said player being claimed prior to Seattle claiming the player as their own.

In previous years the names tended to get out a little earlier, but there was still a feeling among the fanbase that players labeled as trialists would be key acquisitions. Mauro Rosales is the epitome of what these non-drafted/non-contract players can be. Lamar Neagle is probably an example of a stunning success as well. His first year after a successful training camp resulted in Neagle not playing and taking his one-year detour to Charleston of the USL2 and Finland. Sammy Ochoa, although ultimately claimed through the allocation order after a late-season trade, was also a trialist.

But many other trialists and invitees have come through camps. Many of their names are unknown to the general public, most that were known are forgotten. But here's a snapshot of some of the known trialists - Akeem Adams, Kerry Baptiste, Tye Perdido, Cillian Sheridan, Brazilians brought in for a day, rumored players while the team was in Spain, visits while in Argentina. Trialists will always be exciting due to their unknowable resumes granting us all the ability to paint them as the most amazing player in the history of MLS.

But, just like last year, this organization is unlikely to take a major step forward based on the success of a trialist. Mauro Rosales-type situations are extraordinarily rare. It is more likely that a player takes a step forward in their development to become a key player than an unknown, not yet worthy of contract, available on no transfer fee player from the hinterlands of global soccer come in and make a difference.

With preseason starting up in full on Thursday the story of the drafted players and trialists competing for a spot or two will be followed. Probably more important will be how the generally young returning veterans can improve through off-season conditioning and coaching. Another storyline will be the integration of how the new contracted players integrate into the team. The most important tale, though maybe not on the field, will be the health of Steve Zakuani and O'Brian White.

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Training on Thursday

What’s the likelihood that Zak and/or OBW will be in training onThursday? Any ideas of where they are in their respective recoveries?

by PhootieD on Jan 16, 2012 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

Zakuani was at training when the season ended

so I’m sure he’ll be doing something on Thursday

OBW is a bigger question. One to which only the team knows the answer

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Not saying I want this necessarily, but

from a realistic standpoint, could the team cut OBW but still extend health insurance to him? The reason why I ask is, isn’t it illegal to “fire” someone due to health related reasons? Are the rules different for athletes? And if, so, how long are they required to keep him on the books? I don’t expect you to know these answers specifically, more rhetorical questions. I don’t want them to kick him out on his butt, I’m just wondering what the options are.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 16, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Also,

sorry for taking the thread OT.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 16, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Here is what Steve Zakuani said on Sunday

by chrisso on Jan 16, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I assume that players can be cut due to injury

it happens in most leagues. I know in MLB that a team that cuts an injured player is on the hook for their medical treatment until another team signs them.

I don’t think that will happen for OBW. If he’s healthy he’s so gifted, and there’s really no way to know whether his clotting issue will come back.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Legality to fire

In Washington state, we are an at-will state. Meaning either employer or employee can break an employment relationship with no liability. There are some limits to an employer’s ability to terminate an employee. Such as if the firing is somehow connected to discrimination. Washington also has an “implied contract” exception. Such as if you get a handbook when you are hired that says employees will not be fired except for good cause, etc.

EXCEPT, as you say is it different with athletes? There is a union and collective agreement between players and owners that may have something in writing (I doubt it). As for covering medical expenses, the team’s insurance would manage this to maximum medical improvement as determined by OBW’s doctors and medical providers.
And I am not a lawyer so don’t quote me on this.

by chrisso on Jan 16, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Federal Law is the Issue.

FMLA may apply to the Sounders, but perhaps not to OBW since he wasn’t employed for more than 12 months. You can read up on it here if you are interested:
http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/

by magistermilitum on Jan 16, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, that's what I was thinkin

But, he now has been employed for more than 12 months has he not?

by Adam Waltering on Jan 16, 2012 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Seattle

acquired White back in nov 2010 just after Portland & Vancouver expansion draft.

by gstommylee on Jan 16, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Where was Zakuani in his training at season's end?

jogging, running, practicing skills, participating in 5-aside, etc?
thanks

by PhootieD on Jan 16, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

He was doing solo drills

running, shooting, dribbling and that kind of thing

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think

He’ll be doing full drills in practice. Apparently he’s had some nerve damage. Maybe though. Back in December or so he said he’s really close to the last hurdle. I think, he’ll be doing much more than he was though. Who knows.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 16, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

The nerve damage was the reason he wasn't back sooner

it is not something that happened during training

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Right,

that’s what I meant. But, by the same token, I think it would be a bit hopeful to expect him to participate in full drills this coming camp.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 16, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be surprised if he is in full contact type drills

Solo drills and simple passing/shooting stuff.
But 5 a-side scrimmages and ball possession drills. Not yet.

by chrisso on Jan 16, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

LatAm recruiting this year

Agree and understand that finding another trialist steal like Mauro is a longshot. But I continue to wonder why we don’t see more evidence of a LatAm recruiting pipeline in this year’s roster reshuffle. The team is completely built around a LatAm core. Our LatAm players have stayed while our Euro and African players have largely left (except for Z). We have had huge exposure in LatAm for an MLS team, due to CCL, with multiple visits to the region. We beat Boca in a friendly 2 years ago.

Montero, Alonso, and JKH yr 1, Flaco yr 2, Mauro and Ochoa last year. We’re getting top value out of this region and building strong chemistry, with guys who are staying. Yes, there’s a story behind every Euro-African player who left – Freddie, Nkufo, LeToux, Nyassi, Frieberg – but one way or another, they didn’t last more than a year. We’ll see how committed the new crop is.

Maybe we can view Ochoa as the LatAm add for this year. But I continue to hope the FO is working options for some player who needs a change, odd man out, or whatever, from one of the better leagues. Just seems like we have some natural recruiting advantages in our own hemisphere, and it has proved out in the first 3 years of the team’s existence.

by seabryan on Jan 16, 2012 11:58 AM PST reply actions  

They aren't ignoring Latin America

remember the scouting trip to Honduras. That a deal didn’t get signed doesn’t mean that they aren’t attempting.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong - I assume they are trying

Just saying that I would expect more results, given our natural advantages. Seems like we should see, on average, more options and better talent. I get the idea of Tanzania – Trinadad seems like a similar play. I just expected we would build in the area where we’ve had clear success for 3 straight years.

When we place one of our Latam guys in EPL or another top Euro league, it should provide even more exposure. Or when Fredy makes the Colombian Natl team.

Any idea whether we have permanent recruiting personnel in LatAm? Anyone every ask AH which region we have the biggest recruiting investment in?

by seabryan on Jan 16, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Think you may be looking at it wrong

I guess I can see why you’re surprised the Sounders haven’t signed any LatAm players this offseason, but that seems to ignore the possibility that they players the Sounders did sign were more what the team was looking for than the LatAm options. I’m assuming you don’t think the Sounders should focus on LatAm and ignore other potentially quality players. I’m fairly certain this is just a case of the Sounders looking for the best possible players, regardless of where they come from.

As for looking at players from Europe/Africa, they’ve never really signed a player from Africa as Nkufo was clearly more European than African. The Euros who have left are essentially Ljungberg and Friberg, unless I’m missing someone. Not exactly a huge sample size.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 16, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Can argue about the sample size

But LeToux and Nyassi didn’t crack the top 11, for different reasons, with maybe some chemistry and style of play being at least part of the picture. Nkufo left too – a Euro recruit – and I’ll bet the FO thought they were getting more than half a season before he retired.

Don’t get me wrong – all the current recruits look good, and maybe they are the best value. And I do believe that Ochoa is really a 2012 add.

I just look at this from the standpoint of odds and averages – and I’m surprised we haven’t seen at least one player who can contribute this year coming from LatAm. Sometimes the odds don’t go your way – and maybe the FO has another role of the dice in its pocket.

by seabryan on Jan 16, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

another thing to consider

the FO usually recruits a year+ out. They’ve been looking at Sivebaek for about a year now, not sure about Johansson. I think it has little to do with lack of recruiting. And if you wanna talk about odds and averages then the lack of latin american players would make sense considering the amounts we already have on the roster. I’d say the guys they got are just better options.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 16, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I don't see how you're defining Euro/Africa

Both LeToux and Nyassi really came from USL, not foreign countries. I’m not sure what their nationality had to do with anything.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 16, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

We should be looking at how the USL Sounders signed these guys

After all, it was Hanauer who signed them there, and Nyassi was signed with the understanding that he would play for the MLS Sounders.

However, both were signed to the Sounders after they had tried out for MLS but failed to get a roster spot (Le Toux at FC Dallas, Nyassi at New England). So the point that neither player was signed from Europe or Africa stands.

by AAAA on Jan 16, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I see your point and wondered the same thing

Not at a granular level — I’m sure the FO is recruiting in LatAm and I assume they are finding the best fits regardless, etc. — but from a 20k foot view. It is pretty apparent to me that the chemistry and communication on pitch in much more in sync when Fredy, for example, is playing with Rosales or Flaco. And the miscommunications and missed runs were much more apparent when Freddie and Nkufo were in the mix. There are myriad reasons for this I’m sure: maybe Nkufo hadn’t bedded in yet, maybe Fredy feels more comfortable with mates, or whatever. But if you look at it as a trend I’d say we’ve played more fluidly when the starting XI has had a continuity of style, and that style has recently been heavily LatAm. Therefore, I too would have figured this style attribute to be somewhere on the list of qualities to look for in potential transfer targets, and that it would have resulted in a more chatter about LatAm recruits.

Perhaps it’s because we ended up with this style not by design but because of injuries…? With a fully fit squad last season we may have struck a different less-LatAm mix and personality.

by CityDrew on Jan 16, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Latin America is also the go-to spot for a lot of MLS teams

Particularly Columbia and some of the Central American nations.

by Dizzo on Jan 16, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing

Latin America is probably being heavily scouted by many teams, maybe no more than usual, but that’s the impression I get.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 16, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe there are more Columbians in MLS than Canadians

Only nation that has more players in the league is USA.

by AAAA on Jan 16, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe there's no such thing as "Columbians"...

…unless you’re talking about residents of the gorge near where the Cinders play.

The name of the country is Colombia, and residents like Fredy and JKH (not to mention my wife) are Colombians. Calling them “Columbians” or spelling the name of their country like the U.S. river or district is considered rather offensive and demeaning, FYI.

by regnaD kciN on Jan 16, 2012 6:35 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Following similar logic

I certainly hope you call our southern friends’ country the United States of Mexico. Many Mexicans that I know feel unrespected at how unknown the name of their country is (and it even says the full name right there on the immigration papers when you enter the country).

by Derek R on Jan 17, 2012 4:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry about my slip

The name of the country is written with a u (and a k!) in my native language, so this is a mistake that I easily make.

by AAAA on Jan 17, 2012 4:41 AM PST up reply actions  

23 from Canada

16 from Colombia as of early last season.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I knew I should have double checked

Those numbers are still pretty close to each other, and there have been a few Colombians signed to the MLS as of late so maybe they are even closer now.

by AAAA on Jan 17, 2012 4:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure that's a factor

Certainly we know Chivas has a pipeline, and I think it’s been Chicago’s history as well. And the older MLS teams likely have many more years of building relationships down there.

But we should become stronger and stronger in recruiting there, I’d think. We have a budding set of young stars from the region, a late-career player who has revived himself here and earned a good contract, and even more CCL games than last year. Plus some guys we hope will see national team play.

Relationships and exposure – Mauro called us, didn’t he? Maybe we don’t have to recruit. . . :-)

by seabryan on Jan 16, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Creating a pipeline from Latin America to Seattle would be impressive

It’s only about 600 million peole and one and half continents in size.

Chivas has a pipeline from Mexico
DC United used to have a connection with Bolivia
About a third of the league seems well connected with Colombia now, inclusing Seattle.

Aim smaller, pick a couple countries

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely agree - gotta pick our shots

Didn’t mean to suggest we could span the whole continent. Any idea whether the FO has any target countries south of the Rio Grande? I guess the Honduras trip is one indicator.

by seabryan on Jan 16, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

True - they are borderline to put in this category

And both have deeper ties to US, clearly. But aren’t aren’t both tied to their national teams? I can’t remember if Z still has an option to play for US.

by seabryan on Jan 16, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Zakuani in particular, as he played college soccer in America

Even Le Toux was found by the USL Sounders after he had failed to get a roster spot in FC Dallas through a try-out. Not really signed from Europe even if he did not play for any other club between Lorient (France) and the Sounders.

by AAAA on Jan 16, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I find it interesting that you use Nyassi and Le Toux as reasons not to scout there

They were taken in expansion drafts because they were considered to be valuable. Look at the success that Le Toux has had in Philly. Is that really a reason not to scout European players as heavily as Latinos?

Every single player you mentioned that left very much served there purpose while they were here. Ljungberg was our first huge foreign signing and DP. Nkufo helped turn around what had been an awful beginning to a season. Le Toux and Nyassi were valuable subs and USOC players. Frieberg was a solid MLS starter.

by Derek R on Jan 16, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry to belabor the point

Yes, we should recruit Europe, just think we have natural and growing advantages in LatAm. I would hope every player we invest in has at least a 2-3 year upside. Haven’t seen as much of that from the Euro crop so far, hopefully we will from the new guys.

We’re going to be on TV a lot in LatAm this year.

by seabryan on Jan 16, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I am curious why Latin America over South America

As we begin to build a reputation with Uruguay and Argentina…I would consider it a backwards step to put more focus into LatAm and take away from the connections we are making in S America.

I am sure Honduras, Costa Rica, and elsewhere have players to continue to scout but if we could continue to gain players from S America I would do that instead.

by chrisso on Jan 16, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

Since when did South America cease to be part of Latin America?

by ivan. on Jan 16, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't know that the term Latin America includes South America

until now…

I’ve always thought of it as central america…. learn something new everyday

by majora999 on Jan 16, 2012 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't really understand why ANY of the regions specifically matter more than others

except for maybe the fact that Latin America is closer. Does it really matter where the Sounders find players from? Is something wrong with the team if we end up with no Latin American players? As long as we’re competing in the MLS and other competitions I don’t see a problem. (Now I don’t think it’s likely that would ever happen, but I don’t think it’s a problem if it does as long as the team is still doing well.)

I don’t think the FO really puts that much thought into the specific locations anyone is from. Obviously due to proximity it’s easier to find players in Latin America, but it’s also easier for our MLS teams. This is the reason they are looking at T&T and Tanzania. If they see a player that has potential or is an upgrade why not bring them in if they are affordable?

by majora999 on Jan 16, 2012 9:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Meant to mention the guy From Trinadad

He sounds like a longshot to make the roster, and clearly from a lesser soccer area. And I know we worked on the Costa Rican defender. But we closed on “big” adds all for other regions. Just seems odd.

by seabryan on Jan 16, 2012 12:02 PM PST reply actions  

So, what you're saying is

as good a job as our FO has done already during this off season to make our team better, they have even MORE options for increasing the magnitude of the Sounder’s spectacularness!?!? I like this. I like it a lot.

Something else I like? The picture of Rosales you chose for this article is outrageously good.

by bago'juice on Jan 16, 2012 12:14 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I wonder????

if we find a Rosales or a Alonso this year just someone who shows up as a trialist and makes the team and plays great this year

by alexyepz on Jan 16, 2012 12:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Not very likely this year.

The roster is at a point where I’d be surprised if both draft picks make the team.

by DaveValleDrinkNight on Jan 16, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

why

would you be surprised? I know both have to earn it but with white’s status being uncertain that should at least give at least an edge to Sodade making the roster imo.

by gstommylee on Jan 16, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

The whole point is that's nearly impossible.

Alonso wasn’t a trialist.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 16, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Mauro as DP

Although OT here, I was told that with DPs, the MLS pays the salary portion of their fee under the cap, and then the team pays the rest of the salary. If one uses allocation money to pay the salary down under the cap then MLS pays that players salary. That is why NE kept using allocation money to get Shalrie under the cap because that forced the other teams in MLS to pick up his salary. So if we were to pay down Mauro under the DP cap, MLS would pay for his entire salary. Might anyone know if that is correct? The published rules really don’t speak to this.

by Brougham Hooligan on Jan 16, 2012 12:32 PM PST reply actions  

Need to clarify

The Sounders, as part of MLS, will still pay “part of the salary” of the cap, but much less than full—maybe 1/19th?

by Brougham Hooligan on Jan 16, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Well they wind up paying a share of everyone's salary under the cap rules.

I’d bet that the Sounders pay a little more than some of the teams with less revenue, but that’s speculation.

I met a possum.

by s0merand0mdude on Jan 16, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

as far as I understand it, you are correct

Although I really doubt the difference of maybe 100k is going to be a deciding factor.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 16, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The way I see it

Allocation money is more valuable than actual money to a team like Seattle since it’s limited in amount. And cash to pay a dp (over the $335k) is practically unlimited. They can use it to pay down any salary on the roster or to pay down a DP salary to to under $335k so they can sign another DP (not very wise in my opinion since if the allocation money were to run out the next year you’d be in a money situation).

by Adam Waltering on Jan 16, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I've wondered the same thing

As far as I know he’s training, but still out of contract. The last public mention of him was at the open camp for Montreal, but he wasn’t picked up there. I have him on Twitter and I haven’t seen any new updates. I expect him to pop-up as a trialist at a couple camps including the Sounders.

by Dizzo on Jan 16, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

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