Getting To Know Christian Sivebaek, The Newest Addition To Sounders Midfield
Let's get this out of the way right at the beginning: Christian Sivebaek sees himself as a wide midfielder. During our relatively brief conversation, the 6-foot-3, soon-to-be 24-year-old made that point abundantly clear. Sivebaek said he could play on the right or on the left, but indicated he's never played as a central midfielder and left little doubt that he felt his skills were being wasted as a right back.
"We got a new coach at my former club and he wanted to change the system," Sivebaek said in describing his last couple years at Danish club Midtjylland. "He wanted to play with three central mids and one attacking mid and for the fullbacks to play more offensively. He thought I had good speed and could make good crosses from the back.
"Still, in Denmark they shut you down if they know you’re an offensive outside back. It was very difficult for me because I didn’t feel free to cut inside and score some goals. I wasn’t satisfied. I told the club and I didn’t play much in the autumn."
That's also essentially how he ended up becoming available to the Sounders, who had been scouting Sivebaek for at least a couple years. The Sounders, too, have talked about using Sivebaek mostly as an outside midfielder. During his first full training with the club, he showcased why.
Of all the players on the first couple days of training, few have looked more impressive than Sivebaek. On Day 1, he scored a pair of goals, one of them coming after he made a couple nice moves to shake his defender which led to him firing a shot from about 20 yards out that bent inside the near post.
Sivebaek noted that he feels much more comfortable attacking from a wide position.
"I'm comfortable on the sides," he said. " I never played in the middle. I like to run, go one-on-one and you don’t do that in the middle. You need more vision and that’s not the way I’m playing."
In describing his own game, Sivebaek illustrated a pretty strong command of the English language. Like fellow recent international signings Michael Gspurning and Adam Johansson, Sivebaek's English is basically impeccable. Sounders GM Adrian Hanauer noted the trio's English fluency as things that clearly worked in their favor when the team was assessing its offseason options.
On Sivebaek's end, he was clearly impressed by the Sounders' organizational structure. He noted that no team in Denmark has anything like the Sounders training facility or stadium. He also said he was impressed by the level of play after finally seeing his new teammates in action for the first time.
"It’s faster than in Europe, where it’s a little more technical," he said. We have some good technical players here for sure. I would say the level is at least as high as the top 5 teams in Denmark.
"I was quite surprised at how good the players were on the ball, especially the Hispanic players on the inside of the midfield. There were a lot of vocal players who speak to you a lot, which is good."
It's clearly far too early to make any kind of definitive statements about Sivebaek, but early indications are that he's going to be one of the team's key reserves. Of all the new attacking players, Sivebaek seems the most likely to see significant playing time. He has been training with the veterans during the first two days of camp and it's not hard to see him playing the role of Mauro Rosales' primary backup.
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I now have a good feeling about the upcoming season
All the early departures made me a little wary at first, but I think we’ve managed to at least match, if not upgrade at all positions.
LB
One could argue that LB has been somewhat downgraded
by RaveGreenForever on Jan 21, 2012 11:42 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Are you arguing that?
I won’t. Leo and Tyson were neck and neck, with Tyson being better on free kicks, but Leo being better on defense. We have not downgraded at LB, and have upgraded at RB.
by sammysounder on Jan 22, 2012 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
One year further along
Leo is a year older, and a year slower. It is hard to think he is going to be any better this year. He has definitely lost a step and while he has been getting by very nicely with positional sense and a great feel for the game, that can’t last forever.
Will he be satisfied with backing up Rosales?
If he’s got that good a touch from the wing, perhaps we move Fernandez inside and Sivebaek and Rosales on the wing with Ozi anchoring the DM.
could be
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 21, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Which of the two would be on the left?
Both are clearly stronger on the right.
Rosales on the left unless Sivebaek outplays him?
That makes no sense to me.
Sorry
Rosales would remain on the right, barring great play by Sivebaek
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Really my point was I think we are unlikely to see either of them on the left
I could easily see Rosales take a CM position when Sivebaek is on the right wing. Or Rosales could even be moved to forward. He has started both as CM and FW for the Sounders. I River Plate he played primarily as a forward.
Same here
and would be delighted to see Mauro’s magic in the middle. Would be happy with Flaco as well…I think a lot of it would depend on Sivebaek’s crossing ability (which sounds promising). If he’s good at crossing then we wouldn’t be as reliant on Mauro for crosses from the right…
Fernandez inside
is really what I want to see happen. With the shallow depth at CM my hunch is that this is what Sigi wants to see as well. The US Open Cup (I think) game with Fernandez at CM was a success—his passing skills and vision were put to better use than they have been at LM.
Somewhat skeptical on Flaco move.
I know there’s lots of speculation on this, but slow Z return changes the picture fast. Reasonable scenario – Flaco is the best LM on the team all year this year. If true, does he get moved to CM in order to play Neagle or 90%-recovered Z? Maybe . . . but Rosales-Montero-Fernandez was our most powerful front offensive force last year, especially Mauro crossing to Flaco.
Reading the admittedly very early tea leaves, the big milestone is Steve showing he’s back to an impact level higher this Neagle. We’re all rooting for him, but the outcome is uncertain. My bet – Flaco still sees the most starts at LM this year.
Growth of Neagle and Ochoa could also create more the flexibility for Flaco starts in the middle.
I bet we see many players at CM
Evans, Rosales, Fernandez.
I think so too
Management by committee. If Carrasco makes a big advance, maybe some configurations with him and Alonso on field together too?
sammysounder
I don’t think he’ll be satisfied playing backup, but that’s just fine with me. Go win your spot, Christian!
There are plenty of games to go around
With league games, Open Cup games and CCL twice the team can split the games down the middle and both will get as many minutes as starters on an average MLS team.
good point.
Do we really want any player that is satisfied being second or third best? That being said he does seem a little opinionated. Won’t play in the middle or the back. He definitely seems less humble and more outspoken than any other sounder to date.
by Calin David on Jan 22, 2012 12:05 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
He didn't say he wouldn't play in those places
He said he’s never played in the center and didn’t really like playing as a FB. That doesn’t strike me as lacking the appropriate level of humble, that strikes me as honest.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 22, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I read into it to far
I obviously did not speak with him directly so you guys probably have a better feel. I was just thinking of Levesque and how I could not image him telling the team or coach or media “my skills are being wasted as a right back.” He did say that about playing in Denmark which may mean he is open to trying it in the MLS (if it is ever needed) and it may be a different story.
by Calin David on Jan 22, 2012 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
If Levesque
were to limit himself he’d probably be out of a job.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 23, 2012 7:38 AM PST up reply actions
exactly
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 23, 2012 7:59 AM PST up reply actions
I'm hoping one of the unknowns pops
up as well. I’m not sure how many we have, but they wouldn’t be there if they didn’t have at least a chance of contributing.
To review
The following trialists have made the first team – Rosales, Neagle (3 years later). Cato was a trialist about 6 months ago.
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Ngassa
Any word on when he will join the sounders?
Things seem to be getting very crowded.
at some point in Feb
Don’t know what point.
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CAM
At some point it would be nice if we could address the need for a true CAM and a partner to Fredy up top. Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy we are bringing in new players who look good but they all seem to be wingers. Between Rosales, Fernandez, Neagle, Zakuani, Sivaebek, and maybe even Tetteh, wehae a lot of wide midfielders. Between those frst 4 we have 2 very strong teams – but we still don’t have a dominant starter at CAM.
by Gonna Win The League on Jan 21, 2012 8:08 PM PST reply actions
You really like a diamond so that Fredy no longer gets the ball in space to move?
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Sounders really don't need a CAM as long as Fredy is starting at forward
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 21, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
cm
he’s really just asking about cm, and people just end up saying cam to indicate that the position is more attack oriented and/or farther up the pitch then alonso’s position. But i’m sure you guys know this anyway. Either way we do need another cm.
by DMS12 on Jan 21, 2012 9:31 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, we could probably use another CM
Although it seems there are plenty of people that want to see a Rosales-type player as that CM, and that’s where the nomenclature problems start.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 21, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
cam
In my mind when I read CAM I think of a play maker, or a player that contributes to the attack through assists and passes that open up defenses that is not a forward. I don’t want to offend anyone but if you insist on a CAM being a position in a diamond midfield you would be saying that Modric, Iniesta, Lampard, Gerard, and Kaka are not CAM’s. Because none of these players play in a diamond midfield… But all of then play in central midfield and contribute to the attack. Most of then also have defensive responsibilities and play box to box. All of this to say that when someone says I wish we had a CAM I tend to agree with them. It would be nice to have a player on the sounders that could create that special moment or pass from the center of the field that puts Montero et al through. I don’t care if they sit deeper (think xabi Alonso) or under the number 9 (van der vaart) either way this is a tool that the sounders do not have and a tool that I believe would prove useful and the more tools you have the harder you are to beat. I don’t see anything wrong with an Evans type player that has vision, dribbling ability, passing skills, and that can finish and still has to get back on defense and sits deeper than Montero. And I think if Barca can have any three man combo of Messi Iniesta Xavi Fabergas Busquets in the middle of the field we should be able to squeeze Montero and another centrally creative player on the field at the same time.
by Calin David on Jan 22, 2012 12:51 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
CPM
Creative passing midfielder could be a possible designation to get past the semantic debate.
by Abbott Smith on Jan 22, 2012 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
Well there is a role called a Deep Lying Playmaker
they still aren’t CAMs
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If barca can do it...
Is probably aiming a tad higher than what is realistic at this point
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 22, 2012 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
of course
I understand that Barca are freakishly good with one of the greatest coaches and several of the best players in the world. My point was that they play on roughly the same size field with the same number of players and against better opposition and you don’t hear them say we cannot have these two players on the field at the same time…
by Calin David on Jan 22, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
Several of the players you described are not CAMs
but extraordinary box to box mids. They are the style of player as Brad Evans, but among the best in the world. They do it in 4-3-3s, in 4-2-3-1s and more.
Seattle finds its creativity on the wings, that’s where their playmakers are. You aren’t going to be able to put together an MLS team with as many playmakers as you desire. It is a league of specialization because that’s a way to maximize resources in this tight environment.
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I guess I missed the memo
If there is some where you can point me to that will clarify the difference between a box to box mid and a cam. I see “CAM” as a style of player whose specialty is to creates in the middle, there is also the position CAM which I understand as a more advanced central midfielder with reduced defensive responsibilities and increased attacking responsibilities. I think every midfielder should get back on defense so if a player goes box to box to me that marks them as a responsible player… I see a “box to box” style of midfielder as a player that does not really excel at creating or attack nor do they excel in their defensive ability but they are solid and well rounded in all areas. So can box to box mids play in a CAM role yes we have seen can a CAM mid play a box to box role yes. I guess my question is do you see CAM as only a position or as a style of player. I see it as both… so when someone says I wish we had a CAM I assume the mean a style of player not that Sigi needs to change his formation. I would agree that it would not really make sense for Seattle to use a Diamond Midfield but that does not mean we couldnt use a creative center mid in my opinion.
by Calin David on Jan 22, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
Let me ask this...
In MLS, who’s an example of the kind of player you’d like to see playing CM for the Sounders. Just to tell you where I come from when I hear CAM, I think of David Ferreira or Jaiver Morales. Those kind of guys wouldn’t fit into the current set up. If we’re talking about a Jeff Larentowicz, who is a very comparable player to Brad Evans, then I think we’re on the same page.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 23, 2012 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
I do not feel too confident
I honestly do not follow mls at large it is hard enough for me to catch all of the sounders games but I manage to squeeze in a fair amount of EPL La Liga and Serie A… I guess if I had to choose an MLS player I would say Joel Lindpere. I came to this through my recall of central mids i thought dangerous and then checking it to mls regular season stats. As I said I’m not very confident in that choice as I do not really know the body of his work and i seem to remember him playing some left mid so… But with 7 goals and 7 assists in 34 appearances from a player that can play in the middle. I actually liked Friberg more than Evans (i know stats do not really support that he was “better”) and was excited to see him this year and to see him progress. he had moments where his vision and creative pass had me jumping out of my seat. If I were to say any player from EPL it would be Modric, Serie A Pirlo, La Liga xavi or iniesta.
by Calin David on Jan 24, 2012 2:45 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
A CAM is a thing
it is not what Evans is. So describing Evans (or a not Evans player who starts instead of Evans) as a CAM gets confusing. People consistently desperately want classic #10 or CAM.
It isn’t just a nomenclature debate. It is expecting a certain style of player and holding Evans up to that style.
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Well
I understand that some people may want a CAM, but I also still think that some people refer to CAM as a player who plays positionally farther up the pitch than Alonso does. Not so far up that he takes up Montero’s space, just a partner for Alonso that is more attack oriented. Someone similar to Friberg, but better just for the sake of always improving.
In fact, I would rather pick up a CM like this than move Flaco to the center, just because it would keep our strongest line up out there. Are there any players, maybe as a DP in the summer, or just a good CM now, that you think could come here?
It looks to me like you just perfectly described Brad Evans.
I’m not sure what you mean by “better” than Friberg. But Evans has a slightly better passing percentage than Friberg did (although he’s not as attack minded) and generally seems to be better defensively and in the air.
by moyerLIVES on Jan 21, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Evans
Is better than people give him credit for, but not as good as the people who praise him say he is. He’s not the person I want to see starting this year, mainly because he was such a good backup CM in CCL and US Open Cup competitions. Plus, he’ll be injured for a little while during the season at some point so we atleast need someone else.
BTW, I think you know what I mean by a player better than Friberg, it was pretty obvious actually. Friberg is better than Evans in my opinion and apparently in Sigi’s too cause Friberg played more often than Evans this year.
Evans was never on the bench when healthy
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Ok....
Apparently he was on the bench atleast three times. He started 23 games but played in 26. That entails that he obviously was on the bench for atleast part of the game three times….. Friberg played 34 games and started 29, although sometimes at outside mid. Just putting Friberg’s stats out there for the sake of the argument.
You can't assume he was healthy enough to play the full 90, which could explain the sub status.
by yuniform on Jan 22, 2012 6:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Regardless of who's better
in the Friberg/Evans debate (I would say Friberg not based on slight statistical advantages but because our offense seemed much smoother with him on), I think the point is that we could use some depth at CM, whether a box-to-box type of guy or more of a CAM. The truth is we used both Friberg and Evans a lot last year and now we only have one of them. We can slide players over, but getting some depth at the position from a player who naturally plays it would be a huge boost for the Sounders.
Think about it this way
What would happen if Javier Morales or David Ferreira played in the same spaces as Brad Evans? Would the team be getting value from that style of player in that space?
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You missed the point
I agreed that a CAM player isn’t what we need. I described a player who plays a little farther up the pitch than Alonso. David Ferreira and Javier Morales are not those players. Modric is the kind of player who plays in this role (not that I’m suggesting we could get Modric) but think more in terms of his style.
Right, you are describing either a box-to-box CM or
a deep lying playmaker.
Not a CAM in any way.
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The classic #10...
is Diego Maradona. He played as a withdrawn forward in something like a 4-4-1-1. Montero is our #10. Just because he doesn’t wear the shirt, doesn’t mean he doesn’t occupy the role. we need a #8.
by Iam333 on Jan 22, 2012 9:10 AM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sold on Flaco as the CAM. Not in MLS anyway. I just don’t think he can hold up to the wear and tear that will take place playing that role in this league. He’s a great player with great talent; unfortunately, the answer to this type of player is to kick them and foul them until they are no longer a factor.
A new day is rising...
Colorado’s got a new (Hispanic!) coach. Toronto’s playing Total Football. NYRB has an 80% pass completion rate. This isn’t the same league it was even 3 years ago. I agree that to some degree Flaco has earned his nickname, but he’s still proven to be effective. Try not to pin MLS with an English badge—it’s changing rapidly.
Looks like he has quite a bit less positional flexibility than some had hoped.
Sounds like he may be a significant enough talent that he made sense to pick up anyways. Having no ability/willingness to play either FB or anywhere in the middle is sort of annoying though. Especially if Flaco doesn’t work out as hoped in the CM position.
He can play FB ... but I'm not sure where the idea he could play CM even came from
It seems it was based on some assumptions, but I’m not sure where. I’m also not sure how big of a deal that he doesn’t really want to play FB is, since that position seems to be covered well enough.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 21, 2012 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure where it came from either, but I recall it being bandied about.
As was the possibility that he may potentially play up front. Given his comments on the matter, are you really comfortable putting him right behind Johansson on the depth chart for right FB? Given that Johansson is coming off of an injury, I’m not sure he’ll be able to play as many minutes there as Reilly did. It seems like this should put the burden of the primary backup spot on either Zach Scott, whose limitations are known here, or Andrew Duran, who is an untested rookie who may or may not make the team at all.
On the left side we have Leo Gonzalez either splitting minutes with or being backed up by the poorly reviewed Marc Burch. I haven’t been to camp, and you guys have. What have you seen that gives you confidence in the current FB options?
Johansson's injury was over a year ago
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I would say Zach Scott is still the No. 2 FB ... and I'm ok with that
Sivebaek is definitely more of an offensive player than a defensive one, I don’t think that will come as a surprise. Adrian did say he could play some forward and even if Sivebaek hasn’t played there, I’d think it would be an easier role to learn than CM. That said, I’m sure if Sivebaek is needed to play FB in a pinch, he’s perfectly willing to do it. I just don’t think neither he nor the sounders envision that as his primary role.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 21, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Do you think Sivebaek
will be bumping Neagle back on the depth chart immediately?
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Talked to Neagle today
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It sounds like Sivebaek is a good
and I’m glad to have him on the team, but with Zakuani, Rosales, Neagle, Flaco, Levesque, and possibly Tetteh, I am wondering why we picked up an outside mid that does not see himself as a possible central midfielder or fullback/wingback when we have those holes to fill. Is someone going to be traded and transfered to help make room to do that, or is there still room in the roster and budget to do so with all of them?
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Think of Levesque as having no position
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I'd say this
The Sounders strengthened a position of strength. Zakuani is not going to be ready to start the year. Sivebaek is probably already ahead of Levesque and Tetteh as an attacking wide mid. I think it’s safe to say they picked up Sivebaek because he has the potential to make this team better.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 21, 2012 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
but wasn’t there a lot of talk in the preseason of addition by subtraction? The ammount of depth we have in the wings between primary outside mids and utility players that can fill in is great. It seems like that’s the position we can afford to cut someone and the place where we could get most value for a trade or transfer.
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that's probably true too
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 21, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Also, so very young
While Rosales was amazing there aren’t many players that improve as the get past the wrong side of 30.
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I think they are definitely fighting for minutes with each other ... and that's good
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 21, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'm glad that we no longer have to debate about Sivebaek's role (position) in the team
And it feels good to be right. :D
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Sorry, I've missed much of the conversation over the last week, mostly due to a four-day power outage
How do we feel about Duran? I’ve obviously been very concerned about our left back situation and am looking for any possible solution to the problem. Could Duran possibly become the starter at left fullback, either at the beginning of the season or later on this season?
He's not played Leftback before
He started college as a CM who moved to CB and has one college game at RB and a combine half at RB. Sigi does describe him as two-footed, so he may be capable of spot time wide and left, but not a regular there, particularly in the more attacking style that will be featured this season.
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