Panama Vs. United States: Live Gamethread
by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 25, 2012 4:47 PM PST
in US National Team, World Cup and Other International Soccer
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PrintThe United States is running out of chances to find some solid form before World Cup qualifying starts in summer. Tonight, they take on a Panamanian team they really should beat and they will be returning to the 4-4-2 that Jurgen Klinsmann has seemed so intent on doing away with. Chris Wondolowski will start alongside Teal Bunbury at forward.
Neither Jeff Parke nor Brad Evans are in the starting lineup, but they will likely be on the bench. It looks like Klinsmann is going to give Michael Parkhurst and Geoff Cameron a second look at center back, which makes sense after their strong performance against Venezuela. Ricardo Clark will start with Jermaine Jones in the central midfield.
Enjoy
Panama starters: Mejía; Algandona, Dasent, Vázquez, Rodríguez; Waithe, Sánchez, Gómez, Quintero; Rentería, Pérez.
United Sates starters: Rimando; DeLaGarza, Parkhurst, Cameron, Loyd; Zusi, Clark, Jones (capt.), Shea; Wondolowski, Bunbury
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I hope Sparkles gets out there. Barring some sort of miracle, I don’t really expect him to get another shot, so just a few minutes in the jersey for the man would be great!
Boo! Tomorrow AM. I want all things now!
Come on put Sparkles in!!!
And please sub Zusi and Shea out when they are freaking tired after 45 or 50 minutes.
Based on Jones' performance in the last match
I wonder if Klinsmann is going to ask him to play higher and more offensively tonight. Ricardo Clark provides a pretty similar player otherwise, which to my very untrained eye would seem to leave a pretty big hole in the connection between the midfield and the forwards. Unless somehow Wondo is coming much deeper than he’s usually effective at? I seem to recall Sounders neutralising him by forcing him to drop back to receive the ball, but perhaps that was as much a function of his strike partner.
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Parke deserves a cap
I hope they don’t leave him on the bench again… the man has earned his shot.
by Iam333 on Jan 25, 2012 5:15 PM PST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
OT - Real Madrid and Barcelona
I just caught the very end of the broadcast this afternoon and tuned in just in time to see Pepe screaming at the refs. Was he just mad they didn’t show any self-respect by not red-carding him for having the guts to step onto the field?
The Game
Watched the whole thing.
Madrid had a lot of opportunities in the 1st half, just did not finish. Barcelona was up 1-0 until the very end of the half when one of the best goals I have ever seen happened.
Real Madrid played well in the 2nd half and tied the game with 20 minutes remaining. Pepe was mainly screaming at the end because a free kick was called for at mid-field and before the kick was taken, time was called.
I didn't think the foul was that dubious.
That being said, I cannot stand watching El Clasico. Alves’ goal was a jaw-dropper, and both the opener and Benzema’s goal were pretty amazing, but it’s not worth the 89 minutes of flopping, whining, card-brandishing, and general douchebaggery from both sides. Am I alone in this?
by Kenneth Jung on Jan 25, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
Not alone
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
pulling a guy down by his arm then scoring a header is a dubious foul?
Frankly he should’ve been booked for it
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 5:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Listening to Extra-time radio's predraft show while I'm waiting
Its jaw dropping how confident Simon Borg is for being so very, very wrong. Consistently wrong. On just about every pick.
we analyzed his mock draft
he was basically bleacher-report esque
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 25, 2012 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Its not just the random guys he falls in love with
He completely misreads what teams want and/or need out of the draft. Which is more surprising to me since he covers the league and has access to many of the coaches.
Spanish broadcast is on Galavision
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Today I discovered I get Galavision
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ha, good one
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 25, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
I genuinely believe that if Jeff Parke got a seriously look at CB
He could stick with this team for the Olympics, I’m bummed
This is probably my own ignorance, but he's not eligible for the Olympic team is he?
by Aaron Campeau on Jan 25, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
U-23 with the exception of a few overage spots
I believe there are 3 overage spots allowed, but not positive
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
No, I'm not watching soccer on my mom's work computer.
I’m just yelling because one of the three-year-olds did a backflip and I’m very excited about it.
I met a possum.
What happened?
Haven’t got my link up yet.
He is
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'Scuse me, 9'
Blurry ESPN3 confuses me.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 5:45 PM PST up reply actions
defense wasn't great, but...
If he can keep positioning himself like that and finishing that, he’ll presumably be out there a lot more. Nice goal for him.
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 5:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And I was about to comment how Panama's defense wasn't letting us get anything started.
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Zacharrrrrrry Rrrrroberrrrrrrt Loyd
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*sigh*
Espn3 doesn’t let me watch it since I’m out of country. I don’t suppose anybody has any idea of a legal alternative up here in Canadia?
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I thought everything was legal in Canada.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
there are ways to make that happen
I an in Peru and watching on espn3. Don’t know if sbn rules would be violated if I have you a more direct hint.
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 5:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly, it probably doesn't matter.
Hotel internet isn’t the best.
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by SounderJunkie on Jan 25, 2012 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
We'll keep you posted, trust me
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Taylor Twellman just said
“Parkhurst has to have his head on a swizzle there.”
to be honest, for a b team, I think we've looked good in that regard
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 6:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
i'm guessing an open tag somewhere
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Jan 25, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
in a post won’t work?
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 6:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Apparently not. Oh well.
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 6:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
wow
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not like an all-star but comfortable with the style
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 6:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
mobile rec
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 6:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
So
he’s like the opposite of LeRoux?
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by SounderJunkie on Jan 25, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No kidding
although based on the distance and height he gets with his first touch he might have a future as a punter.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
This feels like 2nd half, Sounder @ Monterey
in spite of the lead.
And thats why Ricardo Clark
doesn’t see the Nats much.
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Our D was lookin pretty sketchy
there for a minute. I don’t see what bringing in Parke would hurt.
The problem is more on the wings
than in the center. Unless you’re advocating Parke play on end?
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
I dont know
Panama almost scored twice in the middle at the top of the box within a few minutes.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 25, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
Because the wings aren't being covered well enough for Parkhurst and Cameron to stay focused on the middle
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
Thats exactly
what Parke is used to. Sounds like a good idea to me.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 25, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
Well-played
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Er, well played
Still no edit capability?
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Lloyd I believe
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Looked yellow-worthy on the replay to me
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Stuck a leg out for the ball and wound up stepping on the guy's foot
Didn’t go to ground, wasn’t behind him, wasn’t terribly reckless, no injury would ever result from it…
I met a possum.
by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
Looked a lot more purposeful than that to me
but maybe I’m just jading it because of his recent history
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
Holy shit
did one of our defenders just clear the ball?
Amazing how good our D looked
last game when the midfield dominated
Well on the bright side if the defense was better Nick Rimando wouldn't look as good
So there’s that.
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Ah, so you made the trip down to Panama?
(sarcasm)
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
Galavision
i heard the story today by the way
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That moment when
your wife gets home and sees that you are watching television in a language you don’t understand just to see your national team play.
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by Dave Clark on Jan 25, 2012 6:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
When I lived at home
my family used to watch the univision MLS game of the week every week
Consider a long term lie that you know Spanish
Just really commit to it.
last time I committed to a language I learned it
wait… that would be a good thing
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Which language was that?
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Arabic
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That's a much tougher language to learn
I took some classes and was never able to pick it up. One of my many failed attempts at a second language.
Your Second Language
is the hardest to learn unless you’re bilingual from childhood
Tell me about it.
I am in Chinese right now and it is murdering me. Need 2 years of it to graduate though.
It's not that hard
Just do it 8 hours a day and know that if you fail you’ll be in the infantry.
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by Dave Clark on Jan 25, 2012 6:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And 15 months later...
if you don’t get rolled, you’ll be woefully unprepared for a job as a translator. But it’s a start.
by foolsgambit on Jan 25, 2012 7:10 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I did absolutely fine as a translator after training
To include preparing teaching materials and conducting classes in Arabic
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Worst part of learning Chinese
is learning that everyone in Chinatown speaks Cantonese and can’t understand you.
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by SounderJunkie on Jan 25, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Are you in high school?
I know there was someone with “tarheels” in their name over at LL who was/is in high school.
I’m in my third year of Japanese at my high school. I feel quite prideful whenever I’m able to read something.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Watashi wa Adam desu
yoroshiku onagaishimasu not sure if i spelled it right.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 25, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
We learned it as "doozo yoroshiku"
but yeah you spelled it right. If I had Asian typography set up on this computer I’d do something complex here but I don’t.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
apparently
the way i said it is very traditional and not used much anymore. Old fashioned.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 25, 2012 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
onagaishimas(u) is highly formal
doozo more for use with people on your own social level
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
It's been
over 10 years since I studied Japanese. I remember very little.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 25, 2012 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Ditto
I just had an instructor who felt the only proper way to speak was in the most formal manner possible at all times and chastised us for familiarity even when speaking to each other.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Wow
go to Japan and get laughed at. Politely of course.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 25, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
I have Japanese extended family fortunately
they set me straight pretty quick, although they appreciated my deference.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Oh our teacher is crazy casual about the whole thing
I once got 27/30 on a presentation that consisted of me saying “I didn’t actually make a powerpoint, I’ve just got a video to show you” and then rolled a youtube video without any commentary from me.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
Even worse
was explaining to my carpool buddy why I was listening to a Sounders broadcast on the radio in a language I don’t understand a couple seasons back.
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by SounderJunkie on Jan 25, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
GOOOOOOOOL! translates pretty well
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
That moment when
mom comes home and starts screaming at the ref and the other team.
Love being a Sounders Family
Maybe he
isn’t as fit as the younger guys, so Klinsi saved him.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 25, 2012 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
I like him.
One of the few non-Sounders MLS keeps that doesn’t seem like a douche.
Is it just me
or is Brek Shea not looking good this week?
Ya
he isn’t surrounded by first teamers.
by Adam Waltering on Jan 25, 2012 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
a last defender red when two other defenders were around the attacker?
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 6:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions
OK, debatable, but I think
pushing a guy down at the top of the box (with the ball) is a red (when it’s US v anybody in their own stadium).
It
wasn’t a push. Cameron got tangled up with the player leg a bit.
And that, folks
is why Americans don’t push their opponents. We get red cards immediately, while the other team can mug us.
Cut in on a bad touch by the Panamanian.
Don’t think he deserved that at all.
not even a foul, let alone red
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 6:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Foul is probably arguable
but the red is absurd
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
Well
the ref determined that cameron was the last defender so that has to be a red. So the question should be is cameron the last defender?
Did he make some indication to that?
Seemed to me he was giving it for what he considered a DOGSO, which to my understanding doesnt actually require him to be “last man”. I saw a bad touch that took him back towards Cameron.
And no, when a defender is directly opposite and more goalside than Cameron I’d say application of the “last man” principle isn’t proper either.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
If
there was another defender there then how is it a DOGSO?
The other defender
is close enough to have a chance to affect the play but not close enough to definitively stop a very high percentage shot.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
SPARKLES!!!
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 6:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yea
US had no choice there with Cameron sent off.
That's a CAP
it may be his only one, but having just one is still a hell of an accomplishment
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Parke!!!
Shut that Panama Attack down Sparkles!
by chrisso on Jan 25, 2012 6:51 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Time to update wikipedia
and give Parke his first international cap :)
by Ironthumb on Jan 25, 2012 6:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm kind of amazed how Wikipedia has, like, the best soccer coverage ever.
Better than MLS’ own page sometimes, and certainly better than CONCACAF’s.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
100% correct
Same way sbn has the best MLS coverage, really.
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 7:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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Nice work
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 6:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Anyone know if Panama's
league plays on the same schedule as the US or Europe?
Split schedule like Mexico
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grainy internet feed question
Are they playing on a plastic pitch? It seems like a lot of good ideas have been killed by heavy passes.
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 7:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
It looks pretty real on my feed
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
thanks dude
Developing world internet can suck sometimes
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 7:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Gah!
Dear, god, Shea. Run!! I realize you’re possibly the only player who’s played every game during Klinsy’s time, but c’mon!
Yea
i wasn’t ammused there. Oh good grief SHEA.
US needs better talent at RB
I’ve never had too much regard for Delagarza; this match just reinforces.
Both fullback spots are a mess
At least we have a couple of good options with the A-team. The left-back spot is a mess from top to bottom.
I just heard "Fredy Montero" and "Seattle Sounders"
Who can speak this language?
If that was true there's only been one mistake this entire game
And it wasn’t made by us.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
Nice to Hear
Sounders mentioned multiple times in the spanish commentary
First US corner of the match
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And they don't even really take it.
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by s0merand0mdude on Jan 25, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
Okay...did anyone else get startled by that tackle on Evans?
Flashes of Seamon starting for the Sounders flashed through my mind
When he didnt get up right away
I definitely had to catch my breath.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 25, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
Be careful with that one
he’s fragile!
And we need him (at least as backup)
And the univision reporters are asking the coach:
so what the hell was that all about, coach?
“Queríamos jugar mejor, pero los gringos tienen un jugador muy fuerte, creo que el es un gran jugador conocido en todo del mundo, El Sparkles. Después…. Teníamos mucho medio sobre nuestro salud y seguridad. Creo que marcando goles no es posible contra El Sparkles… su intensitividad es demasiado…”
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 7:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
(my apologies for my horrible Spanish)
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 7:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
honest question, since I don't get to see our boys play much...
Why does CJ Sapong not feature more for our nats? Seems pretty tactically aware, physically gifted, and ok with the ball at his feet. I’m sure i’m missing something, but it looks like dude can play.
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by mistuhp on Jan 25, 2012 7:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
kansas city
Is stacked offensively, they could challenge us for goals scored this year.
by python6114 on Jan 25, 2012 10:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Mexico is currently losing to Venezuela
switching over to that game to see if they play each other the way they play us, or do we just get ‘special’ treatment
I don't think
Parke made much of a case for himself.
Just finished watching on ESPN3
Bottom Line: Nice result for us, and personally quite nice to see both Sounders.
ESPN’s coverage was just awful though.
Twellman was his usual Twellmanish self, but Ortiz was remarkably poor. I can’t believe they pay him money. It’s really a disservice to everyone involved.
And the commentary at halftime was a complete disaster – disparaging to MLS with a fairly narrow perspective about what motivates players. Seriously bad form ESPN.
Anyone know how to contact the network to express my disappointment?
But hey, at least it wasn't harkes.
Right?
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by SounderJunkie on Jan 25, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree
I thought his “gol” was terrible.
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by Seattle Coug on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I very much dislike the rag doll style the Panamanian national team played
and all of their club teams seem to play too. They flopped soooo much. At least 75% of the “fouls” on them were flops.
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