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Prince Tagoe Released By Bursapor?

Headlines with question marks are always funny, but in this case due to the nature of automated translation and the global nature of football there is little certainty. Indications are that forward Prince Tagoe is no longer with his club. We're talking about a Ghana national team player played in Germany and Serbia during the last season, was heavily connected to the Seattle Sounders at the summer window in 2011, eventually moved to Bursaspor in Turkey. His agent and national team coach are both Serbian and he's played in the UAE and Saudi Arabia as well. Prince Tagoe is a symbol of the global nature of the game.

His release by Bursaspor is another symbol of the international game. Roster churn is a way of life in most leagues. Tagoe's move to Turkey did not result in a strong offensive output (1 goal in 11 appearances), nor is Bursaspor in a position to make it into European qualification, a key path to money. So, despite paying a significant transfer fee to Hoffenheim Tagoe is either released, or will be shortly. Though a growing league, Turkish teams can't afford players that aren't producing right now.

Still, despite his lack of production in first and second tier European leagues he remains in the national team plans for Ghana at the Cup of Nations. There are mutterings in Ghana that this is because of his agent's relationship with the national coach. Tagoe will have one month to show the world that he deserves a contract and playing time. He will do so on a team that enters the tournament as a favorite.

Whether the Sounders are still interested in Tagoe is unknown, but with rumors of Alvaro Fernandez being interested in Europe and the dreams of fans that the club isn't done yet the possibility of a reclamation project for a once promising youngster is enticing. A few dominoes would need to fall, but the potential for significant winter moves still exists.

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well, that, and

convince him to play for a fraction of his former salary

...and you will hear us scream

by malcontentjake on Jan 4, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

No salary cap on HGPs

Also right now he’s very limited to where he can play. He made appearances in two different “winter” leagues and so much go to a summer league. South America, MLS, Japan, Scandinavia.

He can’t even go to Russia because they switched.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Are there FIFA regulations on how many different leagues

a player can play for if the leagues have the same calendar?

by Randy Meeker on Jan 4, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Two

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that explains

why the video game won’t let me loan out or sell a player I bought in the same season. ;-)

by Randy Meeker on Jan 4, 2012 1:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I like this "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" approach.

However I only have one burning question as far as Prince Tagoe goes, how good is he on the guitar?

Go banana!

by Disco_Stew on Jan 4, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not bad on drums.

just a beat off. There ya go Tagoe.

by Mount&Groan on Jan 4, 2012 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Toni?

Well just read an italian article and it looks like Sounders are interested in the all mighty Luca Toni! Rather have Toni than Tagoe.

by BuckleySounder on Jan 4, 2012 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

Please no.

As an avid Juve supporter, I see what Toni currently has to offer – this is not the same Luca Toni that banged in goals at Bayern Munich. He would not be a good fit for MLS – the style of play is MUCH to physical for him. And before anyone says he’s 6’4", yadda yadda, he is NOT a physical player in that he has lost any pace he once had, so his only option is to win headers and draw fouls. Think Jaqua, but better in the air and quite a bit slower.

He goes down very easily for a large man, and would not get calls here that he can barely get in Serie A, and often doesn’t.

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by AKSupporter on Jan 4, 2012 2:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

An older, slower and less physical Jaqua

at a DP salary. I think he could be a decent player but not worth the salary he would demand. It sounds a lot more he is trying to pump up his transfer value. No thanks.

by Colin Johnson on Jan 4, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Tagoe played 404 minutes in 11 matches

He only started 3 matches, so it’s tough to say that 1 goal and 1 assist in that amount of time is a fair judgment on his current abilities. I’ve seen forwards in the Premier League go through bigger slumps than that.

by Randy Meeker on Jan 4, 2012 1:36 PM PST reply actions  

His coaches certainly thought much of him

both in Germany and Turkey. Then again those are two fo the to 12 leagues in the world.

Tagoe has been stunning in lowe level leagues.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

And Bursapor Paid 1.3M Euros to get him.

He must have had a large salary, and they figured that he was not producing enough to justify it. Or he just did not fit with the team. Or they are trying to free up salary for future moves.

Could be any number of reasons why he did not work out with Bursapor. It does not nessisarily mean he is not that good.

That said, i dont think the sounders could sign him now even if they were still interested, unless they sell Fernandez, (or the league starts allowing 4 DPs).

by MurrayD on Jan 4, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't find anything that reveals how much Bursaspor paid

Tranfermarket lists an estimated value. Remember they insist that Friberg was sold on a free.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he was a free transfer

I ran accross a site that states he went from Hoffenheim to buraspor on a free. I don’t know how reliable the site is but it was Soccerfame.com Prince Tagoe transfer. Another site tranfermarkt.co.uk lists him now as unemployed.

by Camnehem on Jan 4, 2012 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

If he went on a free...

Then dropping him because he had a high salary and did not fit in makes a lot of sence. Remember Rosales got dropped by his club just after he signed. See how that worked for us.

by MurrayD on Jan 5, 2012 7:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I tend to be realistic about these things...

But, PLEASE PLEASE, bring Tagoe to Seattle. I think he’d fit perfectly. Young, good size and strength and I bet we can get him at a “decent” price.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 4, 2012 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

This year's Mauro?

How cool would it be if he would take a chance on himself the way that Mauro did last year. Work for what the team can afford, prove yourself and then cash in next year. Wouldn’t it be cool if the Sounders got the deal of the year again?!

by Abbott Smith on Jan 4, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya, but...

He’s worth WAAAAYYYYY more than Mauro in yearly compensation. I’d say he’s at least a couple million a year. He’d never do it, unless he was desperate to play given his limited options. But it would be a coup if Seattle could pull that off.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 4, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

he's not with more than all but 3 players in MLS history

yes he’s young. yes he played in the world cup. he’s only been great in very minor leagues.

he’s now very limited as to where he can sign as well. cheap 6 month deal might be possible

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 3:18 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

with = worth

mobile!

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 3:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

For a short term deal, maybe we could pull the Lampard stunt

If there is indeed a way to have a 4th DP level player and given that Tagoe might only be here to the summer window, perhaps there is a trick of the rules we can use. Maybe a rent-to-own like we did with Mauro.
Just Fyi, from the old CBA, below is how Player Salaries per the cap is defined. I have been trying to figure out, assuming the new CBA defines it the same, where wiggle room might be.
(i) For the purposes of this Section 10.6, Player Compensation shall mean the total
cash compensation paid by MLS to the Players only for:
a. base salaries;
b. signing bonuses;
c. performance bonuses paid to players based on their individual performance;
d. termination pay, including any payments agreed upon between MLS and a Player
and made in connection with the termination of his employment agreement;
e. automobile allowances;
f. housing allowances;
g. loyalty bonuses;
h. draft bonuses;
i. agents fees; and
j. marketing payments.
Player Compensation shall not include any other compensation paid to Players including, but not
limited to:
a. MLS 401(k) contribution;
b. transfer fees;
c. option fees;
d. loan fees;
e. any group licensing payments, including those made in connection with the Group
License Agreement between MLS and the Union;
f. the CBA signing bonus set forth in Section 10.1;
g. any tax liability costs in connection with any employment agreement where MLS
indicated that it would be responsible for such tax liability;
h. employer taxes;
i. per diem payments;
j. local or national appearance fees;
k. relocation expenses;
l. reimbursed expenses;
m. insurance premiums or benefits;
n. performance bonuses paid to a Player based upon the performance of such
Player’s MLS Team;
o. workers’ compensation payments;
p. any payment made to a Player by an entity other than MLS; and
q. visa or travel document fees.

by Brougham Hooligan on Jan 4, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

pay it down via allocation

he doesn’t have a lot of options

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 3:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Yep,

That seems the most Viable. Assuming its a short term contract.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 4, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Or pay Rosales down with allocation

Hanauer seemed to hint that it was a possibility.

by AAAA on Jan 4, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

That too

or sell a good player have a lot of options

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Sell draft picks

for allocation to buy down Mauro’s contract.

by Colin Johnson on Jan 4, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, when I say "worth"

I mean on the world market, not within MLS. Unless he’s had an incredible run of being overvalued in Europe.

Disclaimer: I don’t know how much he’s actually been paid but, he’s a Striker, and playing in Germany, and then being released due to lack of production he must have been making good money for them to outright cut him.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 4, 2012 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

Value is a relative thing for atheletes

His value has diminished because he has been cut from his last two clubs. Regardless of the reason, this diminishes what he can expect to get in his next contract. As Dave alluded to, he is also extremely limited by FIFA rules. He cannot transfer to any team currently in the middle of its season. That means that unless he wants to sit out until next Fall, he is going to have to work out a deal with one of the few Summer leagues. A team like the Sounders suddenly becomes a much more viable option.

by Abbott Smith on Jan 4, 2012 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll double check

but he wasn’t a regular in Germany.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 3:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

That appears to be correct...

Looks like only about 10 appearances per year since ‘07. Maybe he isn’t worth as much as I assume.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 4, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Except

Partizan in ’11 18 appearances 12 goals.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 4, 2012 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

28...

career goals in 58 Club appearances.

7 Intl. goals in 31 appearance.

Pretty good numbers for a non-regular.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 4, 2012 4:24 PM PST reply actions  

Make that

77 in 129 club appearances. Even better.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 4, 2012 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

in Serbia

Saudi Arabia & UAE he’s been great. I’m not arguing that

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 4:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Dave..

Is there any realistic situation where you could see us picking him up before the season starts?

by DMS12 on Jan 4, 2012 6:22 PM PST reply actions  

If Alvaro is sold

yes

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that the only way?

We don’t have enough cap room+allocation money to buy down Rosales salary or anything like that?

by DMS12 on Jan 4, 2012 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

They may be able to buy down Rosales

but I don’t think there’s room after that for a full cap hit DP

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Last question...

Are DP’s the only players that can have their contracts bought down with allocation money?

by DMS12 on Jan 4, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

No

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by Dave Clark on Jan 4, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I always assumed that with other players

the whole contract had to be paid by allocation money if allocation money was used. The wording on the MLS roster rules is far from clear though:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/2011-mls-roster-rules

by AAAA on Jan 5, 2012 3:31 AM PST up reply actions  

It can be used like a one time bonus

changing the take home pay of only one year

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by Dave Clark on Jan 5, 2012 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

If we got Tagoe

Would we drop Ochoa or White? Is that possible?

-Ben R.

by reesebw on Jan 5, 2012 1:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Would seattle even have

enough allocation money to be able to buy down Rosales and reduce the cap hit on the 3rd DP player to 150k? That’s the only way i see seattle still have Alvaro and sign Tagoe.

I’m assuming they probably don’t have enough to where they could do that.

by gstommylee on Jan 5, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm talking about the cap hit part

not the entire contract.

To answer your question

http://www.matchfitusa.com/2010/04/mls-makes-dp-rule-changes.html

“Additionally, clubs have the option of "buying down" the budget charge of a designated player with allocation money. The reduced charge may not be less than $150,000.”

by gstommylee on Jan 5, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense.

Incidentally, yhis is just about when my heads start to hurt when I try to understand MLS roster rules.

by AAAA on Jan 5, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Alright, I was bored

Did some math. Assuming Rosales is a dp @ $335k cap hit and Gspurning and Johansson combine for $325k and Burch doesn’t take a pay cut (which he probably did) we’re at $2,704,615 after 5% cba increase. Which leaves $105,385 of the $2.81mil cap to spend on the additional 3 spots. And none of this is using allocation money which one would have to assume is a significant amount.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 5, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought

Seattle had more than 105k of cap space.

by gstommylee on Jan 5, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Well,

Gspurning and Johansson could very well make less than I guessed, but I doubt it. And Burch probably took at least a 25k cut, he was making almost 100k, plus if we leave the 1 developmental spot open then that’s an extra 35k in allocation.

by Adam Waltering on Jan 5, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Indeed

it solves one issue i have but creates another.

Although if Alvaro is sold we would be in position with allocation money in order to make Rosales a non-DP and bring in 2 more DP type players where Seattle buys down the cap hit to one of the DPs.

by gstommylee on Jan 5, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

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