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2011 Soccer Tools: Forwards Score Goals

Fredy Montero causes enough trouble they find new ways to defend. Some are based in other football codes. This one might be rugby.

Quite simply forwards need to score. Obviously one guy does. But for Seattle Sounders FC he did not have a regular partner up top. This has led some to think that this means that they need a new player. Still returning "not Fredy" forwards scored 13 goals in all competitions adding 10 assists as well. Of course that Montero guy was the star of the bunch with his 17 and 11. Maybe the rotation system can work, or maybe a permanent partner unlocks even more magic. Since forwards require so little defensive ability the averages for these players will be lower than expected, that does not reduce the players' overall value to the team.

Fredy Montero is the class of Seattle's forwards. He's among the class of the league. Dubbed here the Golden God (ask Aaron) the trequartista is part of that modern forward mold who loves space to operate, wants the ball before he runs and in some cases only mixes it up in the box to get in a keeper's head. Montero struggled when injured, but for the most part showed more willingness to deal with the physical nature of play than in previous years. Still he's not the fastest player on the planet, his defense seems half-hearted and occasionally he wanders into odd spaces. But the magic he can do with the ball, those goals that he pulls out from odd angles or through narrow windows are stunning. In any year in MLS he enters the year on the short list for MVP.

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Player Role Technical Tactical Offense Defense Physique Average
Montero Forward 9 6.4 9 3 5.6 6.6
White Forward 6.3 6.7 7.3 3.7 8 6.4
Fucito Forward 4.8 6 7.6 4.4 7.8 6.12
Ochoa Forward 5.3 6.7 7.3 3.7 6 5.8

Often overlooked due to the on-field tragedy of Zakuani's double fracture O'Brian White's blood clotting issues were just as serious if not more so. In White's limited play he was quick, strong and showed ball skills that had him as one of the greatest college players of his era. His runs were effective and noticed. Dangerous around the goal his 2 goals and 2 assists in just 517 minutes indicated just how important he could be when on the field. As much as we all desire Zakuani's return White's could be as important to the team's success and his 'injury' concern is constant and more dangerous through the rest of his life.

When Seattle gave up their 3rd round pick to Chicago for one time United States youth player Sammy Ochoa they got a player who wanted a chance to prove that teams in Mexico made mistakes by not playing him. Unfortunately we never saw Ochoa at full fitness in his very limited play. He did position himself well when the ball was in the attacking third getting both of his goals off of amazing passes. His own first touch and passes weren't great. At his worst he was easily bodied off of long balls targeting him, nor does he have great speed. His head and body do lend to target style play, but at this point he is still more project than anything.

Back in 2010 a certain website mocked this for the near constant refrain in favor of getting Mike Fucito more playing time. In 2011 Fucito saw more play adding goals and assists to his career total scoring 6 times with 3 assists in about 1500 minutes. He's opportune on goal, fast and as strong a player on the team. Though short he wins more headers than most and is willing to get physical with the much larger centerbacks in MLS. Sometimes lacking a first touch in traffic and passing too frequently backwards Fucito plays as high as a target forward but his greatest use is at angles within the box or as a wide release point for route one balls. He applies decent defensive pressure forcing bad balls from already poor passers. A few more off-ball runs and those more frequently seen by his teammates could unlock more goals. Prone to blocked shots in tight spaces there may be times his quick trigger is too quick. Still, when he takes the field the Church is in session. "Everything I Have"

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I Disagree Re. Ochoa

I think Sammy still has a ways to go to show his potential, yes; but I think he is actually a more polished player in terms of technical ability than OBW. OBW did show improvement in this area, but as a target player, Ochoa holds the ball better and wins headers better. A few times he had balls hit the post last season, and could have ended with more goals to his name.

Is Ochoa “better” than OBW? I haven’t seen enough of either of them to say for sure. They have some similar strengths, with OBW having the speed card and Ochoa being the better target player. At the end of the day, I have a feeling Ochoa will prove his is a more consistent finisher, and that could end the argument.

Time will tell…

by Advocate10 on Jan 5, 2012 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

Hold up play and headers

are only part of it though. Can he dribble? How’s his passing? First touch at his feet? And that’s just other offensive components.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 5, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

OBW definitely has to show Sigi he is healthy and ready for a starting position but Ochoa wasn't fully fit either

I hope both Sammy the Sounder and OBW will provide good minutes to the Sounders this year. But neither have the tipped the balance in my eyes, yet. Competition is a good thing. OBW has something to prove after his medical issues took him down just as he was acclimating to the club.

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by chrisso on Jan 5, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Am I the only one confused by the following?
Still returning forwards scored 13 goals in all competitions adding 10 assists as well. Of course that Montero guy was the star of the bunch with his 17 and 11.

Isn’t Fredy a returning forward?

by TGos on Jan 5, 2012 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

Perhaps you should consider

weighted overall scores instead of averages for these overall tool rankings. Maybe for forwards their defense only carries half the weight of the other categories in the overall calculation.

-Ben R.

by reesebw on Jan 5, 2012 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

I was thinking something similar

It seems like dragging a forward like Montero down to near league average overall for weak defense is like down grading 1B Albert Pujols because his arm is not as strong as Scott Rolen’s. Teams are not paying Montero to focus on defense or Pujols for his arm.

by RobertC3 on Jan 6, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Except that no one has done that

Average is merely a represenation of what a player could be like if used as a CM. It does not mean t thelayer is league average within their role.

Focusing on the display that number igores the words used in the article. The ratings are merely shorthand. Like all shorthand they are not a complete picture.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 6, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, now that we have two years of data I can start averages by role

That’s pretty much impossible when rating only a few guys.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 6, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Montero versus our two year average for league average or better forwards

Technical: +33%
Tactitcal: -2%
Offense: +11%
Defense: -27%
Physique: -20%

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by Dave Clark on Jan 6, 2012 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

Unassisted goals

There is no question that Fredy is a quality finisher and his ability to score from freekicks is second to none in the MLS, maybe CONCACAF. However, he doesn’t possess the athleticism to create his own shot: unassisted goals.

Video of all Fredy’s 2011 goals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ml3EDnicg

If we don’t count goals from dead ball situations, he scores two unassisted goals (2:28 & 3:18). The first one is fantastic.

I think he’s worth designated player money, but he’s no real threat to a good defense unless it’s from a set piece.

Fredy requires a partner who possesses the athletic ability to get by defenders in one-on-one situations.

However, if you look at all of Sigi Schmid’s teams, he never relies on a big strong or athletic forward, nor does he employ them in striking positions, but rather as pivot points outside the 18-yard box with their back to goal, a la Nate Jaqua. (If you look at Jaqua’s Houston tapes, they played him in a striking position facing goal.)

by Zack Lewis on Jan 6, 2012 5:30 PM PST reply actions  

No big strong forwards?

Jaqua, Nkufo, White, Ochoa are all big strong forwards. Yes, they are often as a pivot or assist man, but it’s just odd to say that Sigi doesn’t use that style of player.

In fact this last season Sigi shifted for the first time with Seattle to using a quick man paired with Montero.

By the way, Jaqua really likes playing a right mid – see Chicago and LA

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by Dave Clark on Jan 6, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Subtle difference

@Bedirthan — I looked at all Sigi rosters going back to LA and for each team he didn’t “rely” on a big striker from scoring. Instead, he relies on small quick creative strikers and scoring from the midfield.

I can’t help it if you misunderstood my perfectly written post. LOL!

Also, Nkufo got run out of town on a rail, rather than be misused by Sigi.

by Zack Lewis on Jan 7, 2012 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

Nothing says "run out of town"

Like I refuse to play in the manner you want me to play, despite my success in that style. I’d much rather be a false 9.

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by Dave Clark on Jan 7, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

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