Pondering The Possibilities Of Further Sounders Roster Shakeup
The past few days have altered the landscape of MLS, the Western Conference and, specifically, Cascadia. While many of us have always believed that the West was much stronger than the East, the amount of talent that has flooded in during the past week alone has only strengthened that belief.
Let's review: The Portland Timbers have added Kris Boyd, the leading scorer in Scottish Premier League history; the Vancouver Whitecaps traded for Sebastien Le Toux, who's contributed to 45 goals over the past two seasons; and the LA Galaxy brought back Edson Buddle, who scored 19 goals during the 2010 season. Those three moves would have qualified as the most significant of any one week this offseason, but all happened during a three-day span.
The Seattle Sounders, for my money, still have the deepest and most balanced team of the bunch, but these moves have at the very least closed whatever gap previously existed.
"I think the West has always been tougher and the West certainly got tougher," Sounders coach Sigi Schmid said during a Wednesday conference call. "The teams in the West, especially in the Northwest, are going to be aggressive. They want to be successful and they have good, solid fan bases that want to see their teams be successful."
Interestingly enough, Schmid acknowledged that those very moves that made his rivals stronger could open up some opportunities for the Sounders to improve. Schmid mentioned the Galaxy and Whitecaps, in particular, as potentially having players available, who may have been pushed out by these moves.
Might the Sounders be interested? After the jump, I'll look at some of the more intriguing players that could be available and at what price.
Chad Barrett
Why he might be available: The Galaxy forward is owed somewhere close to $250,000 this year and, right now, is poised to be nothing more than a reserve. The Galaxy may be free spenders, but spending that much money on a player who might only be used while Robbie Keane is with the Irish national team or during U.S. Open Cup seems to be questionable cap management.
Would the Sounders want him: At the right price. Barrett is probably overpaid even if he was a starter, having never scored more than seven goals in a season. That said, he's a similar player to Mike Fucito, in that he plays bigger than his height, but with a more proven track record. Is that worth paying nearly more than $200,000 for? Probably not. The only way I can see the Sounders being interested in Barrett is if the Galaxy somehow absorb part of his salary cap hit.
At what price: Even if the Galaxy were eating part of Barrett's salary, I can't imagine the Sounders sending much to the Galaxy. Maybe a 2013 second-rounder, similar to the one the Galaxy just sent the Union in exchange for Kyle Nakazawa.
Chances of this happening: Low. The more I talk it through, it only makes sense if the Galaxy are desperate to move Barrett and nothing tells me they are.
Darlington Nagbe
Why he might be available: The former No. 2 overall SuperDraft pick is currently a man without an obvious position. Sal Zizzo seems to have the inside track at right mid. Kalif Alhassan seems to be the choice at left mid. Kris Boyd and Jorge Perlaza are almost certainly starting at forward. To make matters worse, none of those players are much older than the 21-year-old Nagbe.
Would the Sounders want him: I sure hope so. It's still not entirely clear what position Nagbe would be best used at in MLS, but there's no denying his talent. I could definitely see him forming a nice partnership with Fredy Montero.
At what price: If there's one thing I'd hope the Timbers learned last year, it's that defense is one area where MLS experience matters. They entered the 2011 season without a single player who had significant MLS experience as a defender and it showed. Only four teams gave up more than their 48 goals last year. Patrick Ianni might not be an automatic starter there, but he'd definitely improve their depth. The Sounders could probably throw in a couple first-round picks, too.
Chances of this happening: Low. As much as I'd like for this happen, I just don't see the Timbers willing to give up on Nagbe just yet. Heck, maybe I'm misreading this and they are planning for him to break into a starter's role this year. A boy can dream, though.
Omar Salgado
Why he might be available: The former No. 1 overall SuperDraft pick sure seems to be the odd man out in the Whitecaps' plans. Even before this offseason, when the Whitecaps added Le Toux, Etienne Barbara and Darren Mattocks, he was struggling for playing time. The Whitecaps have never seemed to know what to do with the United States youth international.
Would the Sounders want him: I would think so. They've never come right out and said it, but I got the impression they liked Salgado leading into the draft last year and were quietly hoping he might fall enough for them to move into a position to get him.
At what price: I really wonder if Salgado might be kinda cheap at this point. He wasn't picked by new coach Martin Rennie and even though Tom Soehn picked him, Salgado didn't see much time when Soehn was coach, either. Might the Whitecaps be willing to flip him for a draft pick and one of the younger Sounders?
Chances of this happening: Of all the players I've suggested, this seems the most plausible. That said, I'm still skeptical this gets done and, realistically, Salgado is no more of a proven commodity than any of the other players on the roster. But a player like him would certainly be intriguing.
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I'd be really excited to get Salgado
I know he hasn’t proved anything yet in MLS, but he was highly regarded coming out of the draft. He’s still just a teenager, right? Plenty of upside. And he’s fits Sigi’s target forward role with his good size. I’d like to see this get done – we’d have Fucito, Ochoa, and Salgado to play alongside Freddy.
by cghanson on Feb 1, 2012 3:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
no barrett please
not good player.
by fuzzyforeigner on Feb 1, 2012 3:32 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
this
I am always surprised when he scores because I was under the impression he couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a yacht let alone a 8 × 24 rectangle with a soccer ball (hyperbole).
by Colin Johnson on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont see Paulson releasing Nagbe from his talons anytime soon
And I havent seen enough of Salgado who say one way or another if he’d be worth going after but he certainly has the hype and no injury history. Barrett? Please, no. The best time to buy is during the summer, if/when we fill our third DP slot I think that’s when it’ll happen.
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Rosales is our 3rd DP
Although I wish we had enough AM to buy him down and get another DP.
by cghanson on Feb 1, 2012 4:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not precisely.
His salary is in DP range, but the FO has yet to decide if they are going to make him a DP or buy down his salary with allocation money. In the long run, I think you’re going to be correct in that he will be a DP, but the fact remains that they haven’t pulled the trigger on that yet.
I'm optimistic they'll be able to buy it down
There is still time to play the numbers game especially with the uncertainties surrounding OBW.
Go banana!
IMO, yes we do.
I dont think it’s anything we need right this second, hence why I think we should wait until the summer transfer, but it would be foolish not to leave that third slot open considering our resources.
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Even if the slot's open, though
it doesn’t mean we could fit another DP in under the salary cap necessarily. It would probably take a reasonablly big move to fit a youth DP in @ $150K or whatever the cap hit is. Fitting another player with a $350K salary (or whatever the current DP hit is) would almost certainly require some very big player movement and a big chunk of allocation would have been used buying down Rosales’ salary. I just don’t see how having a DP slot free makes much difference. The most likely scenario for us using one would be if Flaco left during the summer window and then we wouldn’t need to worry about it anyway.
Or if OBW can't recover
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Even then, that's 'only' a $100K or so
Maybe enough to squeeze a youth DP in, but that’d be about it. So that means a 19 year old (or younger). Not sure any 19 year old we could sign mid-season is going to make that much difference down the stretch of the season.
Who knows what the Caps are thinking in terms of their roster, but
Salgado seems within the realm of possiblity. I could see us getting Salgado in return for Ianni or even Tetteh (another unproven MLS player with a lot of potential). It’d be nice to have a young, hungry TF on the squad, especially depending on the OBW situation. That said, it probably doesn’t get done.
The other options seem even less likely. Montreal might be suckered into taking Barrett for basically free at his salary and production level (I think NYRB has already met their bad-deal quotient this off-season) but I’d hope the Souders are smarter than that. I’d love to try and get Nagbe, but I think the Portland FO is probably not going to let him go at this point.
Paulson wouldn't trade
Nagbe, he’ll be a day one starter somewhere. Probably the most technically gifted player on the team. I’d lose a huge amount of faith in the Timbers FO if they moved him, particularly to Seattle.
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by ledjom on Feb 1, 2012 3:52 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Seconding this.
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by William Conwell on Feb 2, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
I am probably missing something but...
How is LA not near or over their salary cap with Buddle? I know they still held his MLS rights and everything but… Like I said, I am probably missing something, and that something is probably adequate knowledge of MLS salary/rights/cap/special LA rules. Is it allocation money saved up or just a lack of depth and thus lower salary overall?
i apologize ahead of time if you answered this already.
I am at work and dont have the time to sneaky read the whole thing.
They got rid of Ricketts for allocation Money
Ricketts was making north of 200k and they got I’m guessing a major allocation back from Montreal. I’m guessing they opened up 300k in salary cap space with that one move.
Totally forgot about ricketts departure.
It’s been a long off season. Thanks
I'm guessing here,
but I wouldn’t be surprised if they get allocation money with the loans of Donovan, Keane, DeLaGarza, etc.
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by LoiteringWithIntent on Feb 1, 2012 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
That's right forgot about that.
Plus just like the Sounders they got extra money for making the Quarters of the CCL
if there's a loan fee, they would get some of that.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 1, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
They're almost certainly near
but the combination of his not really having other clubs interested depressing his salary and a good sum of allocation money made it possible.
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In addition to Ricketts
they don’t have a number of well paid veteran players on their roster this year, replaced with younger guys. Hejduk especially.
I would love to see Saldago for Ianni
But I don’t think it will happen I think its far more likley Vancouver sells him in the next window and takes the large pot of allocation money.
While I'm not particularly worried about LA's defense
Their attack is terrifying. Even if Beckham sees a significant drop-off in ability (and it wouldn’t be terribly surprising) he doesn’t need to do a whole lot beyond put nicely weighted passes on to a very strong front and wings for their attack to be very potent.
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Salgado to SSFC
Mind Blown if this this happened. IS he GA? or still eligible… if so would that status transfer to Seattle?
AFAIK he is GA and would remain so if traded.
I believe playing time in league matches is the only qualifier for graduating from GA and he didn’t have much playing time last season.
GA, nor HGP, status is not lost upon a trade
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I am struggling with the "stay calm," we have depth line if thinking...
We went unbeaten in Cascadia but winless against LA. They have all bolstered their attacks this week: top scorer in Eastern Conf over last two seasons, top scorer in SPL history and a US Nat first teamer in Buddle. This off season we have upgraded our RB. Everyone else we have brought in is basically a replacement for people we have lost. I know there are a dozen or so draftees and trialists in camp and we hit the trialist jackpot last season with Mauro, but the the “roster is an arms race” side of my brain, that I try to ignore is stirring in me.
I keep hearing “we have depth” “we like our forwards” but that sounds all to familiar to me. I remember how I felt after RSL away and never want to feel that way again.
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by _zorbthegeek on Feb 2, 2012 6:17 AM PST via mobile reply actions
most goals in MLS last season
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by Tstuar on Feb 2, 2012 7:46 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Think of it this way
LA, Vancouver and Portland have all bolstered their offense. The Sounders are retooling their defense. They changes to the defense are not just personnel. The changes are going to also be in style of defensive play. The emphasis this year on defense is going to be possession and transition along the ground. This should both improve the defense in terms of goals allowed and in terms of how it relates to the style of play for the attacking component of the Sounders’ roster. And the attacking components should be in a very different position than previously. The core attacking players have been together for a year or more now with the exception of Ochoa. No one is starting the season with nagging injuries except Zak and OBW. Zak appears to be progressing with his recovery and I expect that he will begin to see playing time in the early Summer. Having Zak back is potentially a major improvement to the leading scoring lineup of 2011. Sivebaek and Ochoa are also two more weapons in the cupboard. Instead of thinking about them as who is the Starting 11. Think how many looks can the Sounders present opposing teams. Preparing a game strategy to face a known formation is considerably easier than trying to guess what pieces Seattle will field on any given day. By themselves the individual players don’t have the cache of Donovan, Beckham or Keane. But taken as a team, Seattle is an oppositional nightmare.
Now think for a minute about the defense for Portland, Vancouver and LA. Portland went out and drafted a CB for the future. But Jean-Baptiste is probably going to be an adventure this year. Vancouver doesn’t appear to even have a defense. They are loaded for bear up top, but look like a rowboat with a screen door for a hull at the back end. LA lost Gonzo for most of the season. That’s a huge loss. Portland will be tougher and LA will continue to be a challenge. Arena knows how to coach in this league. But Sigi and the Sounders should be right in the thick of things.
by Abbott Smith on Feb 2, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
Sure, LA will probably have an amazing offense (though their offense was relatively mediocre last season. It was their D that rocked – they won a lot of 1-0 games off of someone’s head rather than scoring much in the run of play). Their midfield should be fine, though probably not as good as last season and their D will be significantly worse (and what do they do if Leonardo takes a while to get going or another CB gets injured? They’re in trouble).
As far as Vancouver and Portland, both those teams had LOTS of room to improve. We really only need that last final tweak to make this team spectactular. Remember, despite the enormous challenges of losing Nkufo right before the first game and losing Zak and OBW a few games in, this team still ended with a point total in the 60s and getting out of the group stages. Tons of change would have been counter-productive.
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One reason why I love this blog. Well put sir.
One goal.
The combined score line between LA and us in league games was 1-0. Hardly something to get worked up about. LA has a star-studded offense, and we have a high-power offense. And yet last year, on long drive by a player they no longer have, off a giveaway by a player we no longer have, decided the series.
I’d love to be able to be confident that we can beat LA every time, but this league doesn’t work like that. I’m sure they’re worried about us too.
by foolsgambit on Feb 2, 2012 3:15 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Question Regarding 3rd DPs and Mauro...
The rules state that there is a $250000 “luxury tax” for the ability to sign a 3rd dp (which is then divided among the other teams). Is that a one-time fee that we already paid when we made Montero our 3rd (even though he quickly became 1 of 2 when Nkufo left)? Would we have to pay it to sign Mauro as 3rd DP? If so, it would seem like a $250k charge vs a healthy chunk (but much less than $250k) of allocation money is a pretty even swap. When we talk about Mauro as DP or bought down to regular, this is never mentioned. Is that because it’s already paid and not relevant?
Luxury Tax
We have already paid it. We paid it for Montero, even though Nkufo left before the season.
by Iam333 on Feb 2, 2012 8:56 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
You say it isn't good salary cap management to pay Barrett that much...
But we all know that the Galaxy don’t HAVE a salary cap :P

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