State Of The Sounders' Roster: T-Minus 4 Weeks, 35 Players Still In Camp
The Seattle Sounders' preseason roster got just a little bit lighter as they got ready to take off for Florida and Mexico. Although the Sounders didn't officially release an updated roster, Joshua Mayers of the Seattle Times has managed to piece one together:
Goalkeepers (5): Chris Blais*, Josh Ford, Michael Gspurning, Bryan Meredith, Andrew Weber*
Defenders (10): Marc Burch, Andrew Duran#, Leo Gonzalez, Harlinton Gutierres*, Jhon Kennedy Hurtado, Patrick Ianni, Adam Johansson, Jeff Parke, Zach Scott, Michael Tetteh
Midfielders (13): Osvaldo Alonso, Servando Carrasco, Alex Caskey*, Cordell Cato, Brad Evans, Alvaro Fernandez, Lamar Neagle, Mauro Rosales, Andy Rose^, Amadou Sanyang, Mike Seamon, Christian Sivebaek, Steve Zakuani
Forwards (7): David Estrada, Mike Fucito, Roger Levesque, Fredy Montero, Sammy Ochoa, Babayele Sodade#, O'Brian White
* -- trialist/invitee, # -- unsigned draft pick, ^ -- acquired on draft day trade, underline -- recovering from injury with uncertain timeline
Still not a whole lot of surprises at this point. The guys that won't be making the trip are Ever Alvarado, Jason Banton, Wes Feighner, Tim Pontius and Andrew Vanzie. While Sounders coach Sigi Schmid said there's always a chance that some new faces could join the team still, he didn't exactly make it sound like that was very likely. I'd say it's probably a safe bet to assume the First Kick roster will be assembled from this group.
There are 35 guys still listed. I would be willing to bet the Sounders hit March 1's roster-compliance day with 28 healthy and two more on injured reserve/disabled list. Based on what I've seen, there's probably nine guys fighting for five spots.
After the jump, I'll look at the battles as I see them, by position:
Goalkeeper: I think Bryan Meredith has probably locked down a spot. Although Schmid said Weber doesn't necessarily have to win the backup to earn a spot, logic says otherwise. Unlike Ford or Blais, Weber's contract would be guaranteed if he makes the roster. It really doesn't make sense for the Sounders to take that kind of risk if they really feel Meredith is the clear No. 2.
Defender: Coaches seem to have had good things to say about Duran, leading me to believe his spot is pretty safe. That leaves Gutierres and Tetteh as the only defenders whose spots are not assured. It's hard for me to see Gutierres making the roster out of the gate, but he could stick around. The good news for Tetteh is that he's now fully practicing. Despite that Generation Adidas contract, I don't think the Sounders are interested in keeping him around just for looks. He needs to win a spot.
Midfielder: Cato has real speed, something this team still is a bit lacking in. I think he's made it. Seamon seems to have heard all the critiques and is now on the coaches' good side. He's safe too, I think. That leaves Caskey, Rose and Sanyang battling. That looks pretty wide open, but wouldn't be at all shocked to see Rose get the nod. He looks a little more versatile than the other two.
Forward: Sodade and White are really the only question marks here. I'd like to think the Sounders can figure out a way to keep White around, maybe at a salary closer to the league minimum. But I really don't think they are going to risk having a $100,000 player sitting on their injured list all year unless they really believe he can be fit at some point. Sodade is still a bit wild-card for me. He has size that no other forward can match, but that won't be enough to make this roster by itself.
How do you see it playing out?
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I think there’s only 35. At least based off the humber provided for each position. 5 + 10 + 13 + 7.
you're right...
I was counting them individually and obviously miscounted
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 11, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
After reading up more on Sodade
I’d really like to see him make it, and see how things play out over time. Love that Duran seems like he’s in, after the initial shock of the FO choosing someone we didn’t expect, I think he was an awesome grab. Kinda disappointed Banton didn’t make it, mainly because I was hoping for a Zakuani: 2. (mainly just the similarity in their upbringing is what made me think that).
Question on Cato, I thought he was signed? Are you referring to him fighting for a spot in the 18?
Also another question: so we have some guys we drafted and they didn’t make the cut. If they go find other opportunities in USL or Finland or wherever and then come back to MLS later, do we own their rights? So this may not be the end of Banton for us(and others)?
by chrisperry1983 on Feb 11, 2012 9:45 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Banton was signed too
Being signed doesn’t guarantee a roster spot, unless Cato signed a guaranteed contract. That said, I think Cato has done enough to probably make this team.
We retain the MLS rights of kids we drafted for two years.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 11, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
The difference between Banton and Cato being signed may matter
Cato the Sounders chose to sign.
Banton was signed by the league.
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I don't think it's inherently different
I think it speaks to which player the Sounders liked more. I’m not sure it has, inherently, much to do with the rules regarding whether or not the Sounders can cut them.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 11, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
I guess this is where I get confused
I know the kids sign with the league to enter the draft, but when I saw Cato was signed by the team, that’s where in my mind I assumed he was signed to a contract.
So now tell me if this is correct as i try to rationalize the benefit here: rather than signing with league only, the benefit of signing with a team is that you know where you are going and you know what your contract will be? at the same time, it seems like he could be limiting his options by signing exclusively with a team, only to not make the roster.
by chrisperry1983 on Feb 11, 2012 10:27 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Officially, every player signs with the league
The difference here is the way they were allocated. Banton was signed by the league as a way of entering the draft. Presumably, no team had a discovery claim on him. Cato was also signed by the league, but at the behest of the Sounders who had a discovery claim on him.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 11, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
ahhh I see
So the discovery claim used and initial signing to the league is, in a way, bringing him in for a trial?
by chrisperry1983 on Feb 11, 2012 11:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know particulars of Cato's contract...
But if it’s unguaranteed, then, yeah, it’s basically an extended trial.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 11, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
Almost no contracts are guarunteed until March 1st
And then only veterans (like 3 years in league and over 25) would be assured for the full year. There’s a date in the midseason when a player can still be cut.
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my expert opinion*
Roster Size = 29 (including Zakuani, who will start on IR). Given Rosales as DP, it sounds like we’re not trying to save money to bring in a DP…so we’ll use one of the extra spots for a development player and keep the extra for allocation and midseason flexibility.
Keepers – (3) G-man; Meredith; Weber. Blais is here so Ezra doesn’t need to play keeper in practice.
Defenders – (8) Burch, Duran, Leo, Hurtado, Ianni, Johannsen, Parke, Scott. Tetteh hasn’t shown much in 2 years, time to bet on someone else – hopefully he picks up at a lower level and improves. Guitierres might be interesting for a ‘development’ player, as this current group of defenders is fairly old, but in the end I think they cut him and go with only 8 true defenders, using Estrada and Levesque in Reserves and other pinch situations.
Midfielders – (12) Ozzie, Carrasco, Cato, Evans, Alvaro, Lamar, Mauro, Seamon, Sivebaek, Zakuani, Rose and Caskey. Rose seems to have flexibility and workrate the the Sounders like, he’ll be good for the team environment. Caskey only because my wife went to Davidson – but he did play in Charlestown last year – following Lamar footsteps….and I’m ambivalent about Sanyang.
Forwards – (6) Estrada, Fucito, Levesque, Montero, Ochoa, Sodade. Yep, OBW is done. I don’t’ like saying this, but he might as well move on with a new career now – even if he gets on the field this year, it’ll be in the second half of the season in reserve games. So he’ll effectively be out for 2 seasons of competitive soccer. Tough to come back to form after that…add in the likelihood of a clot reoccurrence, and the psychological effect of playing again knowing the risks, I don’t see it happening. He could be back, and I hope I’m proved wrong, but there are better bets to make on other players. Sodade is pretty much a lock simply due to lack of other options at forward, although I do like his potential. And wow, this group is super shallow in depth. Let’s hope Montero stays healthy. I would also expect to see Mauro play here if we run into injury issues.
*Disclaimer: I am no expert, I have not seen these guys play, and I didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express. However, I do read this blog regularly and I have a good imagination….so I’m clearly as qualified as the next fan to make these prognostications.
by InternetCharlie on Feb 11, 2012 10:07 AM PST reply actions
Tetteh
Was a rookie last year so he’s only been around for a year. I doubt they would give up on him so quickly especially as Generation Adidas.
by kevinthking on Feb 11, 2012 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Mrisho Ngassa
Is he still going to come in on a trial at some point? Or is that just not going to happen this preseason? Thought his team was bending over backwards to get him a chance at making our roster..
by Rodey on Feb 11, 2012 10:11 AM PST via mobile reply actions
there really hasn't been much info about him
He could join team in Florida, he could not. Team hasn’t really talked about him.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 11, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I think I read
he was being held out of games back home for a while (presumably so he wouldn’t get injured before a trade could be arranged), but he’s back to playing with his team now. That may indicate the Sounders decided to pass for the time being.
by foolsgambit on Feb 11, 2012 6:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, we reported that
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of course
all the best news and analysis is from SaH. I should have realized that was your scoop. Shukran, ya Badr.
by foolsgambit on Feb 12, 2012 1:25 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Not all of it - Ruiz and Mayers do very good work
but in this case I know it was us
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probably supplemental picks
I’d rather keep his MLS rights and just waive him. A year of regular play in lower division might help him grow.
by InternetCharlie on Feb 11, 2012 7:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
how does this work?
any link to an analysis of the MLS rights system? I know a player at the end of a contract has to turn down a “reasonable” contract for the team to retain rights to him. How does it work for players whose contracts are dropped?
by foolsgambit on Feb 12, 2012 1:29 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Gutierres
Anyone know how well he has played, or why he stayed while Alvarado went home? Could be a good long-term project.
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No media knows the answer to this
as we only saw one practice day with Gutierres and zero with Alvarado.
My assumption is that Ever is important to Real Espana winning games right now and Harlinton is just a reserve player so Espana didn’t need Harlinton and let him remain to train with the Sounders.
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Makes sense to me
But the whole situation still begs the question – to train with the Sounders to what end? Will he have a realistic shot at making the first team squad (I agree, doesn’t seem like a great incentive for him to come to u-23, unless Sounders somehow pay for him to maybe go to school or something). If not, why not just send him back? Or maybe he is being used as a body during training, then can he play in USL and we still hold an MLS discovery claim? And does Alvarado’s return to Honduras categorically rule out him signing a deal with us, or was it always intended as a 10 day trial and he may put pen to paper down the road?
Not expecting answers to all these questions, as the likelihood is (like you said) nobody really knows but Sigi and a few others. Just posing the questions.
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I would say...
The reason he trains a little longer is just to get a better look at him. Even if Sounders don’t sign him now, they still have discovery rights and could sign him at a later date.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 12, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
Predicted Opening Day Roster at 28 [+ Zak on IR for at least 6 MLS matches]
Goalkeepers (3): Michael Gspurning, Bryan Meredith, Andrew Weber
Defenders (9): Marc Burch, Andrew Duran, Leo Gonzalez, Jhon Kennedy Hurtado, Patrick Ianni, Adam Johansson, Jeff Parke, Zach Scott, Michael Tetteh
Midfielders (10 +1): Osvaldo Alonso, Servando Carrasco, Cordell Cato, Brad Evans, Alvaro Fernandez, Lamar Neagle, Mauro Rosales, Andy Rose, Michael Seamon, Christian Sivebaek, [Steve Zakuani=IR]
Forwards (6): David Estrada, Mike Fucito, Roger Levesque, Fredy Montero, Sammy Ochoa, Babayele Soldade
unknown= gamble with placing O’Brian White on IR and commit to his $100k salary against your 2012 cap?
by James Owen Gallagher on Feb 11, 2012 4:41 PM PST reply actions
Andrew Weber
As has been mentioned before, Weber would have a guaranteed contract if he makes the team. If he beats out Meredith for the #2 spot then I’m perfectly fine with that. I’m not okay with it if he’s the #3 keeper. The fact that he still hasn’t emerged above Meredith leads me to believe that Meredith is capable of handing the backup GK role. Weber made about 65k last year. That’s about twice the cap hit of Josh Ford. I realize Ford is injured right now, but I think if the club was interested in making Weber the third keeper, then they wouldn’t have brought in Chris Blais. My hunch is that Blais was brought in as insurance for the injured Josh Ford. If Ford is still injured when the season starts, the team can put him on IR and have Blais on the roster as the #3 keeper.
I would imagine that the team will renegotiate with White to lower his cap hit, at least until he’s able to play again. Maybe they give him a league minimum base with incentives based on starts, playing time, making the 18, and/or match fitness with the incentives maxing out at his current cap hit.
by Randy Meeker on Feb 13, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
how do you know he hasn't risen above meredith?
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 13, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Cap hit
Wouldn’t be a matter of Weber pushing a guy making (around, but at least) $42k off the 20-man roster? Ford would be in roster spot 21-30, I’m guessing. Same with Meredith. It’s probably around $20k we could shave off our cap hit if we don’t pick him up, but that’s less than 1% of our cap space. Might be worth it, even if he’s level with Meredith. And that’s assuming we pay him what he was making, when he obviously is expecting a drop in pay after not being picked up in the expansion draft. He’ll probably be signed for the league minimum for a 3 year veteran, if he gets a contract.
by foolsgambit on Feb 13, 2012 4:38 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Florida is about the players' soccer brain and interaction
Camp is entering the tactical phase. The coaches are going to be looking to see how the pieces fit together and how individual players think on their feet. Adaptation is going to be a key component of who makes the final spots.
I agree that Seamon and Duran appear to have their places on the roster. Cato and Sodade both feel like projects, but they feel like projects the Sounders might keep with the hope that they could be used situationally. Cato has speed and Sodade has size. These two traits give them an edge. I’m partial to Rose for a spot. He’s versatile, has size and maturity. Caskey is leveraging his experience this year but faces an uphill climb. Sanyang is healthy and showing some breadth, but I’m not sure it will be enough. Tetteh has to show that his head matches his physical prowess and he doesn’t have any room for error. If he doesn’t perform in Florida, March 1st will be bleak.
With Zak starting on the IR, I think the final roster spot will come down to a battle between Caskey, Sanyang and Tetteh. My guess is that one of them will be cut by the 1st and that the other two will have until Zak’s return to prove they deserve a spot at the table. The team will have the spots to carry both, but may not want to unless they prove themselves. Sigi has said multiple times that ultimately the players make the decisions about who stays through their actions. If I had to lay odds, the player I am worried for is Tetteh. I’ve worked with hundreds of college aged men. The things he has said and his actions since becoming a Sounder smack of someone who is about to get smacked between the eyes with a reality check and he may have to face the music before he can take the next step in his development.
Just out of curiosity what that Tetteh has said/done has set off alarm bells for you?
Just wondering. I’ve just been assuming he’s had trouble adjusting to being a defender rather than a winger.
by Nevtelen on Feb 12, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My father used to say that it isn't bragging if you can back it up...
There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Many draftees making the transition from college to the pros, approach the transition with a willingness to learn. They have two eyes, two ears, and one mouth and they use them proportionately. Tetteh came out of college early as a GA and then proceeded to drop into the 2nd round. Yet, when he showed up in Seattle he talked like he went in the first 10. OK if you can back it up, but he hasn’t yet. The physical skills are there, but the mental work isn’t. He appears to have relied on his physical skills to get him out of trouble and never learned how to play positionally. The pace of the MLS has exposed the flaw in his development. Fine, he’s young and a GA. He will be given the space to learn, if he shows the work ethic. But he hasn’t shown that he gets it yet.
Now it appears from the outside as if he was one of the players who showed up to camp physically a bit behind his team mates. It feels as if he thought his GA status was a shield. Then he got hurt and missed all of the team’s conditioning work in Arizona. Not auspicious on a roster with this little room for error.
Much of this is inference on my part listening to Sigi, watching Tetteh and then processing it through years of working as an educator. But it feels like he’s headed for a cliff and isn’t listening to the people who are trying to tell him the cliff is there. I hope I’m wrong. But experience makes me leery.
by Abbott Smith on Feb 12, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
Do you have specific examples of things he's said
that portray your statements about him sounding likea top 10 pick?
Or more recently when you say “listening to Sigi” and then inferring things about Tetteh?
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by Dave Clark on Feb 12, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
For me, just the facts make Tetteh look like a candidate to be cut/traded
Last year he contributed essentially nothing. While he’s young, I haven’t heard many deny his talent, and yet he was barely able to earn a few Reserve League minutes. Sure his salary didn’t count against the cap, but he was still occupying a valuable roster spot.
This year’s camp, with the trade of Wahl, should have been a golden opportunity for Tetteh. Yet he seems to have been easily passed by Marc Burch, who was rated as expendable by defensively-challenged DC United. On top of that, most of his Seattle draft peers have advanced, while he appears to be stuck, at best, in neutral.
Perhaps he is having trouble adjusting to playing defender. But if he is, the Sounders can’t wait too much longer. Perhaps he would be better at left midfielder, but that’s not going to happen in Seattle with Fernandez, Neagle and Zakuani ahead of him. It seems to me that anyway you look at it, his time in Seattle may be coming to an end. I’m not saying Tetteh is a bad kid or a bad player, he may just need a different set of circumstances to flourish.
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I recall that
many of these same things could have been said about Estrada after his first year. Perhaps Tetteh will take a similar developmental track.

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