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SEATTLE - JUNE 11:  Eric Hassli #29 of the Vancouver Whitecaps FC battles Jeff Parke #31 and Brad Evans #3 of the Seattle Sounders FC at Qwest Field on June 11, 2011 in Seattle, Washington. The Sounders and Whitecaps played to a 2-2 draw. (Photo by Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images)

Back before the first ever Seattle Sounders FC match in 2009, it was fairly clear who the veteran leaders would be -- Kasey Keller, Nate Jaqua, Tyrone Marshall and Peter Vagenas. Each had long careers and, except for Keller, those careers were primarily in MLS. Just three seasons later, none of those players are on the roster. Three left just this last offseason along with eight other players. It is the greatest amount of roster churn the young club has had and it could create challenges for Sigi Schmid. The current roster is at 33 players, and if each make the team, 14 will have less than a season wearing Rave Green.

Schmid knows who he will lean on to show the newcomers his system and the culture of the Sounders per his statement in yesterday's conference call:

There’s now the Alonsos, the Monteros, the Evanses, the Hurtados, and Parkes. There’s guys that are here that know what it means to be a Sounder, that know what it means to go out and train hard every day and be dedicated and be professional. Even though there’s turnover and there’s new players coming in...you still have a core...

That core is younger than the 2009 leaders, but still has experience and time. All (except Jeff Parke) were with Seattle for the 2009 win over the New York Red Bulls that launched the team, as were Zach Scott, Roger Levesque, Patrick Ianni and Steve Zakuani. Between those nine players, they have 52 years of experience playing in North American professional soccer. Their average age is 27. While there is youth in that group, the two 24-year-olds (Fredy Montero, Zakuani) have been focal points of the offense when healthy.

Even on top of Osvaldo Alonso, Brad Evans, Jhon Kennedy Hurtado, Parke, Montero, Scott, Levesque, Ianni and Zakuani there are a couple other players with more than a season in Seattle. Sigi talks quite a bit about having multiple leaders on the field and in his discussions about who will be the captain, only Mauro Rosales is a name not mentioned in the above list. Few would be surprised if he gets the armband.

The Sounders are certainly younger now then when they ended the season. A majority of the roster churn saw an older player replaced with someone with fewer years on their calendar. And yet, the core of the team has experience. Together they managed a strong three seasons only clearly surpassed by the LA Galaxy. The hunger of the fans for just a bit more than consistently being in the top third of the regular season and US Open Cups is shared by these men. They were there for the failures in the MLS Cup Playoffs and the 2010-11 CONCACAF Champions League. They were also there for the succeses.

Yes, 11 Sounders are Rave Green no more and a dozen are new this offseason. The numbers indicate high turnover. Sigi Schmid thinks that might be a bit misleading though.

I don’t think it’s bad as maybe it looks when you look at numbers.

Maybe in the past, or with other losses, the churn would be a red flag. This team seems to be banking that by being just a few years older those young kids are now men capable of more than ever before.

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Do you think there's a bias

toward American players being captains in MLS?

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by Kyle Ritter on Feb 21, 2012 9:22 AM PST reply actions  

I've never looked at it

Since the captain is a ceremonial position I don’t place much importance in it. Therefore I haven’t spent time studying who are and who aren’t captains.

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by Dave Clark on Feb 21, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

i would love to know

if this is true….great thought

by Realio on Feb 21, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It would have to be pretty anecdotal

As I don’t think captains are tracked on a meta basis — only game-by-game. My gut tells me American are more often captains, though, if for no other reason that there happens to be more of them and they tend to stick around longer.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

And more of them probably speak English better on the whole

Since one of the captain’s duties is often discussions with the ref, that can be helpful, I guess.

by Nevtelen on Feb 22, 2012 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

The only official duty for the captain

is to call the coin toss and the lineup exchange before the game.

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by Dave Clark on Feb 22, 2012 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Jeff Crandal, whoever he is, retweeted by Mayers:

I’m told Seattle defender/midfielder Amadou Sanyang will join the Fire as a trialist in Charleston.

Hm. Well that looks to be one roster spot open. Best of luck, Amadou.

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by AKSupporter on Feb 21, 2012 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

Mayers: Sounders FC spokesman confirms Amadou Sanyang is on trial with the Chicago Fire, but is still under contract with Seattle.

If he’s still under contract, looks like we’re trying to shop him to Chicago and get a roster spot and a bit of allocation to boot.

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by AKSupporter on Feb 21, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I support this move

I think it’s much better to move him and recoup something than to have to waive him or someone else the Spunders want to keep.

by Dizzo on Feb 21, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree. But the Fire have to actually want him.

Wonder what will happen if the Fire pass, will we just cut him?

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by AKSupporter on Feb 21, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Sigi did say last year that he'd blow up the roster

if we didn’t advance further in the playoffs, so I guess I’m not surprised.

A bigger question mark for me is what they saw in Sanyang to make them trade for him in the first place, if they’re actually shopping him around right now.

by ABTsportsline on Feb 21, 2012 12:55 PM PST reply actions  

I didn't say he blew up the roster

Just that he said it (did he not?).

I was expecting a blowing up of the roster, so what I’m saying is I’m not surprised there are quite a few new faces on the team.

by ABTsportsline on Feb 21, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

This is not blowing up the roster.

Blowing it up would mean dismantling the core group and rebuilding.

by eosrebel on Feb 21, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Sanyang

Was a free signing, not a trade. The only cost to the Sounders was Sanyang’s $32,604 salary.

He’s buried deep on the depth chart, if the team can get something of value (player, draft pick, allocation money, international roster spot) then the Sounders came out ahead.

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by 108Ultra on Feb 21, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

he didn't even cost the Sounders $32k

that’s paid by the league anyway. He was basically the cost of a roster spot.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 21, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Even freer

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by 108Ultra on Feb 21, 2012 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

With the spine intact

I feel like all we can really expect is higher GF and lower GA the way we’ve had the roster reconstructed. We theoretically have an upgraded pairing with Montero with Johnson, upgraded depth wherever Sivabek plays, an upgraded RB with Johanssen, and a debatable like-for-like at LB with Burch.

Aside from the less than awesome LB situation, I think this is a better team than last season and that the best is yet to come.

by chrisperry1983 on Feb 21, 2012 2:40 PM PST reply actions  

Dont forget we lost friberg and didn't find a direct replacement for him.

My main concern heading into the season is b2b CM depth. We have Evens. And that’s about it as far as a proven player in that position. Maybe Seamon can step up. I hope to see Flaco at CM, but Sigi appears to be somewhat reluctant to use him there. Besides b2b CM, I think we’ve upgraded at the other spots we needed to.

by cghanson on Feb 21, 2012 3:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I never really thought of Friberg as our main guy, but that's just me

I think of Alonso/Evans as our ideal situation in the middle. Friberg to me was a near-lock first or second sub, semi-frequent starter when needed, and non-league starter. But when healthy, Evans would always get the nod ahead of him..

I do agree with you on the depth concern. I think we have Carrasco as a solid backup to Alonso, but now that Friberg is gone the depth behind Evans is questionable. By all accounts it sounds like Seamon has stepped up his game quite a bit. Perhaps Estrada can be tested there as well, I dunno.

by chrisperry1983 on Feb 21, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Estrada played an actual CAM

in reserve games last year. role seemed to suit him.

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by Dave Clark on Feb 21, 2012 4:33 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Dave, do you mean Estrada played the b2b CM like Evans or WF like Montero?

I know he’s played WF before, didn’t know he’s play CM. It would be great if he had a defensive capibilities, vision, and the other shills to play CM. He could be quite dynamic with he’ offensive skills.

by cghanson on Feb 21, 2012 8:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Absolutely

Real CAM. Two forwards in front of him. More narrow wide mids.

In the Reserves Ezra bust out the diamond at least twice.

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by Dave Clark on Feb 21, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree that Evans was generally the first choice over Friberg.

But with Evans injury history (has he ever played an entire season without missin some games to injury), it’s nice to have cover for him. Should be interesting to see who plays the b2b CM when/if Evans gets hurt.

by cghanson on Feb 21, 2012 4:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I assumed that was the reason

But it’s hard for me to believe that the team’s returning 2nd-leading scorer, and the only Sounder (am I right?) who played in the last World Cup, has no role in the team leadership picture.

But I’m seriously asking the question – since you guys spend a lot more time around the team – is he not in the mix? For whatever reason? He’s the only protected returning starter who doesn’t bear mentioning in the piece.

by seabryan on Feb 21, 2012 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't mention Leo Gonzalez either

Sigi mentioned the leaders he did and I researched the other players who have served the team for three full seasons.

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by Dave Clark on Feb 21, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't help that Flaco is one of the only players who really doesn't speak English

It’s tough to be a leader if you can’t speak to more than half your teammates.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 21, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Would be interesting to know how he impacts at least half the team

Fredy seems tight with him, if Twitter traffic is any indication. And Flaco has done what the rest of the young LatAm players (and non-LatAm) want to do – make their national team and compete in the World Cup.

Top players usually lead, in one way or another. Even with language barriers. Ichiro, for example. Although he has his critics, and a lot bigger language barrier than Flaco – doesn’t have half the team speaking his language.

by seabryan on Feb 22, 2012 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Ichiro actually speaks pretty good English

He just chooses to do all his interactions with the press in Japanese

by arbeck77 on Feb 22, 2012 6:22 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think Flaco is liked

But if you’re asking if he’s a leader, even in the way that Fredy is a leader, I don’t get that sense. Of course, I’m not exactly hanging out with guys either.

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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 22, 2012 7:43 AM PST up reply actions  

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