Turnover, Time Creates New Veteran Leaders
Back before the first ever Seattle Sounders FC match in 2009, it was fairly clear who the veteran leaders would be -- Kasey Keller, Nate Jaqua, Tyrone Marshall and Peter Vagenas. Each had long careers and, except for Keller, those careers were primarily in MLS. Just three seasons later, none of those players are on the roster. Three left just this last offseason along with eight other players. It is the greatest amount of roster churn the young club has had and it could create challenges for Sigi Schmid. The current roster is at 33 players, and if each make the team, 14 will have less than a season wearing Rave Green.
Schmid knows who he will lean on to show the newcomers his system and the culture of the Sounders per his statement in yesterday's conference call:
There’s now the Alonsos, the Monteros, the Evanses, the Hurtados, and Parkes. There’s guys that are here that know what it means to be a Sounder, that know what it means to go out and train hard every day and be dedicated and be professional. Even though there’s turnover and there’s new players coming in...you still have a core...
That core is younger than the 2009 leaders, but still has experience and time. All (except Jeff Parke) were with Seattle for the 2009 win over the New York Red Bulls that launched the team, as were Zach Scott, Roger Levesque, Patrick Ianni and Steve Zakuani. Between those nine players, they have 52 years of experience playing in North American professional soccer. Their average age is 27. While there is youth in that group, the two 24-year-olds (Fredy Montero, Zakuani) have been focal points of the offense when healthy.
Even on top of Osvaldo Alonso, Brad Evans, Jhon Kennedy Hurtado, Parke, Montero, Scott, Levesque, Ianni and Zakuani there are a couple other players with more than a season in Seattle. Sigi talks quite a bit about having multiple leaders on the field and in his discussions about who will be the captain, only Mauro Rosales is a name not mentioned in the above list. Few would be surprised if he gets the armband.
The Sounders are certainly younger now then when they ended the season. A majority of the roster churn saw an older player replaced with someone with fewer years on their calendar. And yet, the core of the team has experience. Together they managed a strong three seasons only clearly surpassed by the LA Galaxy. The hunger of the fans for just a bit more than consistently being in the top third of the regular season and US Open Cups is shared by these men. They were there for the failures in the MLS Cup Playoffs and the 2010-11 CONCACAF Champions League. They were also there for the succeses.
Yes, 11 Sounders are Rave Green no more and a dozen are new this offseason. The numbers indicate high turnover. Sigi Schmid thinks that might be a bit misleading though.
I don’t think it’s bad as maybe it looks when you look at numbers.
Maybe in the past, or with other losses, the churn would be a red flag. This team seems to be banking that by being just a few years older those young kids are now men capable of more than ever before.
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I've never looked at it
Since the captain is a ceremonial position I don’t place much importance in it. Therefore I haven’t spent time studying who are and who aren’t captains.
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i would love to know
if this is true….great thought
It would have to be pretty anecdotal
As I don’t think captains are tracked on a meta basis — only game-by-game. My gut tells me American are more often captains, though, if for no other reason that there happens to be more of them and they tend to stick around longer.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 21, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
And more of them probably speak English better on the whole
Since one of the captain’s duties is often discussions with the ref, that can be helpful, I guess.
The only official duty for the captain
is to call the coin toss and the lineup exchange before the game.
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By the numbers
There were 19 players last year with at least 10 starts. (All stats include all competitions.) Those 19 players accounted for 44,927 minutes of playing time.
As of now, the Sounders retain 12 of those 19 players. Those 12 players account for 28,585 minutes of playing time. Are any caveats in order?
The top three players, by playing time, that are now gone are Keller, Riley, and Friberg. Losing Keller was obviously unavoidable. The Sounders could have protected Riley, but I’d rather not entertain expansion draft counterfactuals* at the moment, and it seems like the Sounders were bound to lose someone in the draft who made at least 10 starts for them in 2011. Friberg wanted to go back to Sweden, and with one year in MLS and with the Sounders, it’d be hard to consider him a veteran leader.
The next three are Wahl, Neagle, and Fucito. Wahl has six years in MLS, and even though he’s something of a bench player, losing experience on the bench is still losing experience. It’d be hard for me to call Fucito or Neagle veteran at this point.
The last is Jaqua, who is pretty clearly a vet at this point.
So it looks like the Sounders lost four vets from last season: Keller, Riley, Wahl, and Jaqua, and they accounted for 10,595 minutes last year, about 24% of the 44,927 minutes from the group of “regulars” mentioned above. I guess 24% is better than the 37% you’d expect from losing 11 players out of about 30, but it’s bigger than I thought it would be.
*For instance: in an alternate universe, the Sounders trade Riley for Justin Braun and lose Mike Fucito in the expansion draft, then don’t bother trading for EJ when he goes to Montreal in the allocation order. Maybe that could have happened, but, just for starters, it’s not clear that CUSA would have offered the same trade to Seattle that they would have offered to Montreal, and who knows what else could have killed that alternate scenario. You could think up dozens of these scenarios if you wanted to, but I don’t find it terribly useful.
by ubelmann on Feb 21, 2012 11:10 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Jeff Crandal, whoever he is, retweeted by Mayers:
I’m told Seattle defender/midfielder Amadou Sanyang will join the Fire as a trialist in Charleston.
Hm. Well that looks to be one roster spot open. Best of luck, Amadou.
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Mayers: Sounders FC spokesman confirms Amadou Sanyang is on trial with the Chicago Fire, but is still under contract with Seattle.
If he’s still under contract, looks like we’re trying to shop him to Chicago and get a roster spot and a bit of allocation to boot.
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by AKSupporter on Feb 21, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
I support this move
I think it’s much better to move him and recoup something than to have to waive him or someone else the Spunders want to keep.
by Dizzo on Feb 21, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought you were referring to our sister team in Austria
by chrisperry1983 on Feb 21, 2012 6:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
The Saounters?
No, they have Amadouk Sanyangk on trial.
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by Greg Pirkl Lives on Feb 21, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree. But the Fire have to actually want him.
Wonder what will happen if the Fire pass, will we just cut him?
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and why the Fire wouldn't just wait for us to cut him rather than trade for him
by ABTsportsline on Feb 21, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
Sounders could always trade him to someone else
Or keep him and cut someone else who was drafted in the last two drafts who the team would still control the right to.
Sigi did say last year that he'd blow up the roster
if we didn’t advance further in the playoffs, so I guess I’m not surprised.
A bigger question mark for me is what they saw in Sanyang to make them trade for him in the first place, if they’re actually shopping him around right now.
This does not in any way constitute blowing up the roster.
by Aaron Campeau on Feb 21, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't say he blew up the roster
Just that he said it (did he not?).
I was expecting a blowing up of the roster, so what I’m saying is I’m not surprised there are quite a few new faces on the team.
by ABTsportsline on Feb 21, 2012 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
This is not blowing up the roster.
Blowing it up would mean dismantling the core group and rebuilding.
Sanyang
Was a free signing, not a trade. The only cost to the Sounders was Sanyang’s $32,604 salary.
He’s buried deep on the depth chart, if the team can get something of value (player, draft pick, allocation money, international roster spot) then the Sounders came out ahead.
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he didn't even cost the Sounders $32k
that’s paid by the league anyway. He was basically the cost of a roster spot.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 21, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
Even freer
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With the spine intact
I feel like all we can really expect is higher GF and lower GA the way we’ve had the roster reconstructed. We theoretically have an upgraded pairing with Montero with Johnson, upgraded depth wherever Sivabek plays, an upgraded RB with Johanssen, and a debatable like-for-like at LB with Burch.
Aside from the less than awesome LB situation, I think this is a better team than last season and that the best is yet to come.
Does the spine only extend to Alonso/Evans? I'm used to "defense up the middle" in baseball, which goes from catcher to center field.
Dont forget we lost friberg and didn't find a direct replacement for him.
My main concern heading into the season is b2b CM depth. We have Evens. And that’s about it as far as a proven player in that position. Maybe Seamon can step up. I hope to see Flaco at CM, but Sigi appears to be somewhat reluctant to use him there. Besides b2b CM, I think we’ve upgraded at the other spots we needed to.
by cghanson on Feb 21, 2012 3:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I never really thought of Friberg as our main guy, but that's just me
I think of Alonso/Evans as our ideal situation in the middle. Friberg to me was a near-lock first or second sub, semi-frequent starter when needed, and non-league starter. But when healthy, Evans would always get the nod ahead of him..
I do agree with you on the depth concern. I think we have Carrasco as a solid backup to Alonso, but now that Friberg is gone the depth behind Evans is questionable. By all accounts it sounds like Seamon has stepped up his game quite a bit. Perhaps Estrada can be tested there as well, I dunno.
by chrisperry1983 on Feb 21, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
Estrada played an actual CAM
in reserve games last year. role seemed to suit him.
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by Dave Clark on Feb 21, 2012 4:33 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Dave, do you mean Estrada played the b2b CM like Evans or WF like Montero?
I know he’s played WF before, didn’t know he’s play CM. It would be great if he had a defensive capibilities, vision, and the other shills to play CM. He could be quite dynamic with he’ offensive skills.
by cghanson on Feb 21, 2012 8:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not Dave, but I believe he means he played as an attacking midfielder.
by Aaron Campeau on Feb 21, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
Real CAM. Two forwards in front of him. More narrow wide mids.
In the Reserves Ezra bust out the diamond at least twice.
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Yeah, I agree that Evans was generally the first choice over Friberg.
But with Evans injury history (has he ever played an entire season without missin some games to injury), it’s nice to have cover for him. Should be interesting to see who plays the b2b CM when/if Evans gets hurt.
by cghanson on Feb 21, 2012 4:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Because he's been a Sounder half the time of those mentioned?
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I assumed that was the reason
But it’s hard for me to believe that the team’s returning 2nd-leading scorer, and the only Sounder (am I right?) who played in the last World Cup, has no role in the team leadership picture.
But I’m seriously asking the question – since you guys spend a lot more time around the team – is he not in the mix? For whatever reason? He’s the only protected returning starter who doesn’t bear mentioning in the piece.
Didn't mention Leo Gonzalez either
Sigi mentioned the leaders he did and I researched the other players who have served the team for three full seasons.
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It doesn't help that Flaco is one of the only players who really doesn't speak English
It’s tough to be a leader if you can’t speak to more than half your teammates.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 21, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Would be interesting to know how he impacts at least half the team
Fredy seems tight with him, if Twitter traffic is any indication. And Flaco has done what the rest of the young LatAm players (and non-LatAm) want to do – make their national team and compete in the World Cup.
Top players usually lead, in one way or another. Even with language barriers. Ichiro, for example. Although he has his critics, and a lot bigger language barrier than Flaco – doesn’t have half the team speaking his language.
Ichiro actually speaks pretty good English
He just chooses to do all his interactions with the press in Japanese
by arbeck77 on Feb 22, 2012 6:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Flaco is liked
But if you’re asking if he’s a leader, even in the way that Fredy is a leader, I don’t get that sense. Of course, I’m not exactly hanging out with guys either.
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by Jeremiah Oshan on Feb 22, 2012 7:43 AM PST up reply actions

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